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Potential Major Storm for Eastern US for January 26-27...
Posted by: Zachary Labe, 20:16 GMT le 21 janvier 2011 +3
Current wavelengths are supporting a large synoptic storm east of the Mississippi River Valley during the January 26th to the 27th with widespread moisture from the Southeaast to New England. This setup is corresponded with highly favorable teleconnections. The NAO (North Atlantic Oscillation) remains negative but has shifted the higher heights more east-based. This causes less blocking upstream. Blocking is typically associated with suppression and tracks of coastal lows well over 100mi off the coast. Also blocking allows for a slower movement of low pressures ushering in cold air to the right of the low in the large cold sector of the storm. When the blocking is allowed to relaxed or becomes displaced as in this instance, it allows cyclogenesis to often occur a bit farther to the west offering warmer air with a southeasterly flow off the Atlantic. This upcoming coastal threat will favor the later with dampened upstream blocking. Also the MJO (Madden-Jullian Oscillation) is entering phases 7-8. The MJO is a measure of the positioning of the monsoonal rains across the Indian Oceans. Since all global weather patterns are interconnected, differing wavelengths of pressure in the Indian Ocean will in time affect areas downstream in the jet stream across North America. Here is the current composite 500mb mean charts for an MJO phase 7 during January from a meteorological study by Allan Huffman...

Link
As noted above, increasing ridging across the western United States with a deep trough over the east coast often occurs. This corresponds to the current teleconnective pattern over North America with a positive PNA (Pacific/North American Pattern) which favors high pressure over the western United States coupled with upper level ridging.

The teleconnections are certainly signaling the classic jet stream setup for eastern cyclonegesis. But several 'issues' will likely prevent a major east coast snowstorm for areas in the major metropolitan region of the United States. Paul Kocin and Louis Uccellini's monograph of Northeast snowstorms signals the classic setup for widespread historical snowfalls to be accompanied by an arctic high pressure to the north of the storm. Typically we would root for a large anticyclone to the north or north-northeast of New England across southern Canada. This helps usher in cold air funneling in the western periphery of the low pressure. Also this helps prevent the low pressure from running too far inland.

The current synoptic setup shows the high pressure to the north of the low quickly scooting to the northeast and eventually too far east to save many from the expected rainfall. The 1/21/11 12utc ECMWF shows the banana high displaced to the east in an unfavorable location.

Kocin/Uccellini's near miss historic east coast snowstorm often featured a high pressure in a similar displaced location. Typically this would then favor inland snows with a mix or rain across eastern areas. While a severe arctic air mass will be in place along with a fresh snow pack over the Northeast, oftern these air masses can disperse quicker than one would assume. Current GGEM/UKMET/ECMWF guidance supports the upper level trough becoming negatively tilted towards the easteern Mississippi Valley. With these higher amplitude trough, the banana high is quick to depart and allows the cyclogenesis to occur farther along the coast. The 1/21/11 12utc GFS shows this evolution a tad differently, but does appear to be an eastern outlier. The 12utc GEFS mean shows a farther west solution, which often argues that the operational model is too far east. Most of my analogs support the heaviest snows well northwest of I-95 as warmer invades from the east. Despite several global models showing the low becoming vertically stacked allowing H85s to crash, there will likely be a southeast maritime flow across eastern areas.

The track of the H5 low tracks across Virginia, which is a bit too far north for a favorable snowstorm for most areas south of Washington DC for certain. Given the departing arctic air mass I would expect areas that receive mainly rainfall still to receive snow accumulations on the front end of the storm. The ECMWF mentioned earlier supports a quick 4-8in along most of I-95 before rainfall.

At this point, those farther east will be hoping to look for the 500mb low to track farther south, the banana high to become more situated north and not northeast, and the exact placement of the negatively titled trough.

While the threat is several days away, current climatology and guidance supports a very high threat of a large storm system over the eastern United States in this time frame. Whether it is rain or snow, there appears to be a large amount of moisture involved with ECMWF QPF up to 4in in northern Delaware and southeastern Pennsylvania. I know many are critical of predictions of storms well in advance, but meteorology is about understanding the synoptic setup that leads to the development of these storms. Watching the evolution of this situation will be very interesting and I am becoming increasingly enthused for those well inland. Even along the coast heavy rain and high winds are possible with a western storm track so threats will be high with any storm scenario. Stay tuned for updates throughout the weekend. For now if I had to make a forecast, this would be the precipitation scenario map.

The exact placements of the trough/shortwaves/high pressures will change, but I have not seen such consistency in the computer models for a large event in a very long time. This is also backed up by a favorable wavelength pattern as mentioned earlier in the blog. I think there is a higher possibility of this tracking farther west and inland than it tracking east. The odds of all snow along I-95 to the coast remain low given the departing high pressure. Another concern is the poor modeling this winter and the trend for storms to phase later than expected. Something to keep reminded of... Stay tuned!

Short Computer Model Introduction
This is a pretty decent quick intro on computer model forecasts along with beneficial links. Computer models use the complex calculus algorithms to print out the forecasts. Despite our complaning with the models, without them much of us would be lost except in the short time. Some of the earlier computer models consisted of the ETA, NGM, and AVN, which forecasted generally less than 84hrs. They were highly inaccurate, but provided a basis. The ETA was actually the computer model that helped meteorologists predicted the "storm of the century" in March of 1993 so well in advance. But now more than ever we have a myriad of computer models available to the general public with many mesoscale models only available to NOAA. Lets start with the general. All current computer models are based off on the Zulu time. Zulu time is also known as UTC or Greenwich time . Generally to forecast timing of storms my special BUFKIT data transitions UTC time to EST time, which is helpful. But BUFKIT is a special download, which I won't get into, but the transition is helpful as for some reason I never am able to understand time zones too well, hahaha. Anyways let me start with each computer model...

-GFS (Mentioned most of all as it is a global model (Global Forecasting System))
~Available in 0z (initiates at 10:30pm), 6z (initiates at 4:30am), 12z (10:30am), 18z (4:30pm)
~Forecasts out to 384hrs
~Typical biases
Cold bias on long range on 18z run
6z and 18z slightly unreliable
Northwest trend on lows within 84hrs of event

-ECMWF (This is another global model run by an international organization (European Centre for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts))
~Available in 0z (initiates at 1:30am), 12z (initiates at 1:30pm)
~Forecasts out to 240hrs
~Typical biases
Overphases lows in 168hr range
Holds too much energy in southwest
Known as extremely accurate within 140hrs

-NAM (Mesoscale short range model)
~Available in 0z (Initiates at 9:30pm), 6z (Initiates at 3:30am), 12z (initiates at 9:30am), 18z (Initiates at 3:30pm)
~Forecasts out to 84hrs
~Typical biases
Highly inaccurate towards the 84hrs
Handles coastal storms very well and southwest overrunning events
Tendency for way too much QPF

Those three above are the most common models for a beginner in computer models, but there are many more. All of the global models consistent of ensemble models also, such as the GFS has a myriad of ensemble (small models) that create a mean solution known as GEFS. They typically are too cold and southeast with low pressures, but some reason the NWS seems to enjoy using them. There are also more global models than the GFS and ECMWF... The UKMET is run by an internation organization and forecasts out to 144hrs. This model typically comes out an hr before the ECMWF and usually is pretty similar to the ECMWF. The ECMWF may also be known as the EURO by the way. There is also a Canadian model known as the GGEM/CMC, which again contains ensemble models. All of the internation models only run 0z and 12z runs. This is probably for the best as all models only receive new upper air data in 0z and 12z runs, so this is why the American model runs of the 6z and 18z are usually worthless. There is also a high resolution Canadian model known as the RGEM, which is very similar to the American NAM. High resolution (mesoscale models) are important as they usually are able to pick up on fine details such as frontogenesis, advection, adebiatic cooling, convection, etc. Some of this high resolution models include the WRF, HIRES NMM, RUC, ARW. They all are usually very accurate, but the WRF and HIRES NMM usually have wet bias.

As mentioned above there are ensemble models which come up with a mean solution instead of using one computer model's algorithms like the global models use. These ensemble mean solution are known as the MREF and SREF with MREF being in the medium range and SREF in the short range. SREF is usually pretty accurate and forecasts within 87hrs of an event. There are also other computer models used for hurricane forecasting, but I will not get into them. For instance one is the GFDL, which you may have heard of. I find I use mainly the GFS, NAM, and WRF/NMM in the summer, but use all of the models in the winter.

A few models to avoid...
JMA
KMA
CAMPASS
DGEX

Here is a list of links for explanations on how to interperate the models...

-PennState E Wall, which runs all of the models
http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~gadomski/ewall.html

-PennState E Wall tutorial on computer models (Check it out)
http://www.personal.psu.edu/adb241/eWallTutorial/ Main.htm

-Severe Weather parameters used on models, explanation
http://www.crh.noaa.gov/sgf/n=severe_weather_chec klist_paper

-Forecasting winter weather
http://www.crh.noaa.gov/lmk/soo/docu/precip_type. php

-NCEP; used to find American Computer models
http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/

-Severe Weather Models
http://www.wxcaster.com//conus_0012_us_models.htm

-Winter Weather Models
http://www.wxcaster.com/conus_snowfall.htm

-Model Soundings
http://wxweb.meteostar.com/sample/sample.shtml?te xt=KMDT#

The last link is listed above as model soundings which takes all of the data to print out all sorts of information including precipitation type along with dynamics such as Omega. This is very complex and takes some time getting used to. Also you may see this data instead of in charts, it is sometimes used in SKEWT T charts.

I hope all of this information helped out... Keep in mind precipitation amounts is QPF, with 500mb aloft being the jet stream, 700mb aloft measuring relative humidity, 850mb aloft measuring 5,000ft aloft temperatures, 925-1000mb measuring surface temperatures. Generally I would look at the GFS and NAM first to get a hang of it along with reading the tutorial links. Use the 850mb and 2m charts for the GFS especially as they are pretty self explanatory and color coded. You will find some maps for international models are confusing and black and white.

"Here northeast of Harrisburg 2010-2011 winter statistics"
(Snow Stats)
Current Snow Cover- 1-4in
Monthly Total (November)- Trace
Monthly Total (December)- 0.6in
Monthly Total (January)- 11.65in
Seasonal Total- 12.25in
Winter Weather Advisories- 5
Winter Storm Warnings- 0
Ice Storm Warnings- 0
Blizzard Warnings- 0
Freezing Rain Advisories- 1
Winter Storm Watches- 1

(Temperature Stats)
Lowest High Temperature- 23.7F
Lowest Low Temperature- -1.7F
Wind Chill Advisories- 0
Wind Chill Warnings- 0

(Snow Storms Stats)
First accumulating snow - December 10 - 0.50in
Clipper light snow - January 7-8 - 2.25in then another 1in
Double Barrel Low - January 11 - 4.5in of snow
Coastal Low - January 17-17 - 1.8in of snow/sleet
Arctic Front - January 20-21 - 2.1in of snow

Lower Susquehanna Valley Doppler...

(Courtesy of WGAL)



This is the most difficult forecast I have ever had to make for the region. The gradient is going to be very sharp across the north and will make for a very high bust potential. This map is a bit bullish for northern areas. We shall see. Enjoy!

"Here northeast of Harrisburg 2010-2011 winter statistics"
(Snow Stats)
Current Snow Cover- 4-8in
Monthly Total (November)- Trace
Monthly Total (December)- 0.6in
Monthly Total (January)- 18.15in
Seasonal Total- 18.75in
Winter Weather Advisories- 6
Winter Storm Warnings- 1
Ice Storm Warnings- 0
Blizzard Warnings- 0
Freezing Rain Advisories- 1
Winter Storm Watches- 1

(Temperature Stats)
Lowest High Temperature- 23.7F
Lowest Low Temperature- -1.7F
Wind Chill Advisories- 0
Wind Chill Warnings- 0

(Snow Storms Stats)
First accumulating snow - December 10 - 0.50in of snow
Clipper light snow - January 7-8 - 2.25in then another 1in of snow
Double Barrel Low - January 11 - 4.5in of snow
Coastal Low - January 17-17 - 1.8in of snow/sleet
Arctic Front - January 20-21 - 2.1in of snow
Upper level/coastal low - January 26 - 5.75in of snow
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751. RetiredEMT96 13:39 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Quoting CapeCoralStorm:

Blizz, just go ahead and say it... 95 corridor is going to get 7 feet of snow... you know it. i know it. we all know it. rain for everyone else. =)


Doggonnet, I was so pleased to get the miss this time I have been licking my wounds (bad back pain) I live 10 minutes from I78 and 15 Min from the G. S. Parkway, smack dab in the middle of the "war zone" 12/26. I had a 5ft drift in my backyard! I love a little snow but this is getting out of hand! I have busted 6 shear bolts on my snowthrower in 1 month I may have to put that baby out to pasture in the spring, if we ever get to spring!
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752. snowinvermont 13:42 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Quoting listenerVT:
Thanks for the snow-prediction map, Blizz!


It's about -22 here so far. The house occasionally pops at the timbers from the effect of the cold. We are reasonably snug however, with the stove going strong and solid window and door. I can't help but find this weather a little exciting. It is a necessary stinging salve (which kills germs and keeps the Black Widow Spiders from migrating north). I may not like such deep cold, and I shiver thinking of the birds and beasts and homeless ones bearing it full on. Yet I welcome this passage of Winter.


I'm with ya. -27 here. This may keep the ticks and all the other nasty critters from trekking north. Southern VT is tickville now but still none up here. SLK was -35 last hour! May see some -40 numbers from some town.
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753. PalmyraPunishment 13:45 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Quoting RetiredEMT96:


Doggonnet, I was so pleased to get the miss this time I have been licking my wounds (bad back pain) I live 10 minutes from I78 and 15 Min from the G. S. Parkway, smack dab in the middle of the "war zone" 12/26. I had a 5ft drift in my backyard! I love a little snow but this is getting out of hand! I have busted 6 shear bolts on my snowthrower in 1 month I may have to put that baby out to pasture in the spring, if we ever get to spring!


SHUT. UP.!
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754. PalmyraPunishment 13:57 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Joe Calhoun at WGAL likes the coastal hugger scenario for the time being. Starts as snow, changes to mix for the Susquehanna Valley.

http://www.wgal.com/weather/26592985/detail.html
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755. 717WeatherLover 13:57 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
So, JB is still going with Blizz's solution. Calling for the biggest snowfall amounts to be around the I-81 corridor instead of the I-95 corridor. 3-6" for I-95 cities with rain cutting into snowfall amounts and up to 12" for I-81 corridor. He thinks the models are still having issues handling the northern stream and will continue to correct west.
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756. PhillySnow 14:03 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Quoting Snowlover2010:


Yep. 12z runs will probably be our last chance. Only thing holding on is the SREF's with .5in-.75in QPF spread across Central PA.

I don't understand - Don't we still have 3 days left for continued waffling and unexpected storm development?
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757. 717WeatherLover 14:10 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Yep, plenty of time to drive us all nuts as the storm is slower now with at Wed into Thur storm.
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758. RetiredEMT96 14:38 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Quoting PalmyraPunishment:


SHUT. UP.!


Aww Palmyra don't be mad at me, I do love snow! I hope you get pounded!!!
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759. Zachary Labe 14:38 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Looks like the arctic blast I have been advertising since the beginning of January finally pulled through with the expected below zero reading in many areas this morning.

-2F here at 7:30am. Currently 10F.
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760. GTOSnow 14:44 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Saw a reading of -17 on my way in to work this morning..
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761. 717WeatherLover 14:49 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Still sick, Blizz? Or checking in from school?
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762. shipweather 14:51 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
So where do we stand with the storm? Not a lot of discussion on it this AM...
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763. Zachary Labe 14:53 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Quoting 717WeatherLover:
Still sick, Blizz? Or checking in from school?

Still sick unfortunately; off to the doctors this afternoon. You people have me for another day on here, lol.
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764. Hoynieva 14:54 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Record minimum temperature was tied today at JFK with 6 degrees.
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765. Hoynieva 14:56 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
that's too bad, Blizz. The only good thing about you being sick is it benefits the blog and in turn, us. Get well.
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766. originalLT 14:56 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Hope you feel better soon, got down to -2.9F here at my house. LT Stamford CT.
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767. NEwxguy 14:57 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
-6 for me just west of Boston,much colder north and west,Windchill this morning was -21
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768. shipweather 15:02 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
The University temp gauge got to 5.0F last night. And I said I think it suffers from a mini heat island effect as it's surrounded by buildings roads and parking lots on all sides. Temp may have been closer to 2-3F in Shippensburg last night. Cold stuff, pretty wild.
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769. Zachary Labe 15:25 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Thanks everyone! I still am a bit uncertain on this storm as far as the precipitation shield for western areas, but I still feel the place to be is along the line between heavy snow and rain/snow on my scenario map above.
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770. PalmyraPunishment 15:27 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
In his morning video, Henry Margusity admits that he's not as confident about the storm as he was yesterday and Saturday.

Steven DiMartino from NYNJPAWeather.com is holding off on commentary until the 12zs come in.

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771. danielb1023 15:28 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
-2.3 Low for me this AM. Dogs were none to pleased!!!!

BTW, I still dont understand the constant complaints about the uncertainty of this storm and the waffling of the models. Isnt this why we all love weather? Exciting, roller coaster rides and very unpredictable. I say enjoy it......
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772. MarylandGirl 15:32 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Waiting for the next run and everyone's opinion. Every time I check the forcast for down here it changes. This morning looked like rain, now Wed. has 80% for snow.......will be interesting to see what you think after next run Blizz. Hope you feel better soon.
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773. shipweather 15:34 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
hoping for some good trends for the LSV (personally) and for at least some clarity today. I've been scared about the hype that's for sure.
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774. crowe1 15:38 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Quoting danielb1023:
-2.3 Low for me this AM. Dogs were none to pleased!!!!

BTW, I still dont understand the constant complaints about the uncertainty of this storm and the waffling of the models. Isnt this why we all love weather? Exciting, roller coaster rides and very unpredictable. I say enjoy it......


It certainly is uncertain.
Just took my dog out for his second potty break of the morning, it's -14.4 here, he didn't linger to sniff around today.
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775. Zachary Labe 15:39 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Not sure if my Lower Susquehanna Valley friends heard, but it was nearly 1.25in of QPF for KMDT with almost all snow on the 0z ECMWF!
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776. PalmyraPunishment 15:41 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Quoting Blizzard92:
Not sure if my Lower Susquehanna Valley heard, but it was nearly 1.25in of QPF for KMDT with almost all snow on the 0z ECMWF!


well then let's hope that verifies lol.
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777. Beachllama 15:47 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Last night my heat pump couldn't figure out how to keep up with the cold and it's a Trane and only 3.5 years old. And it's not nearly as cold here as north and west of me!

I'm having waffles for breakfast, it seems appropriate.
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778. 900MB 15:48 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Quoting PalmyraPunishment:
In his morning video, Henry Margusity admits that he's not as confident about the storm as he was yesterday and Saturday.

Steven DiMartino from NYNJPAWeather.com is holding off on commentary until the 12zs come in.



So much for the Big Daddy hat!
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779. 900MB 15:54 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Quoting Hoynieva:
Current messy prediction for NYC from this here site:

Tuesday Night
Partly cloudy in the evening...then mostly cloudy with a chance of snow after midnight. Lows in the upper 20s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming northeast after midnight. Chance of snow 40 percent.

Wednesday
Snow and rain likely in the morning...then rain with a chance of sleet in the afternoon. Light snow accumulation. Brisk with highs in the upper 30s. Northeast winds 15 to 20 mph. Gusts up to 35 mph in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation 80 percent.

Wednesday Night
Rain and snow. A chance of sleet in the evening. Additional light snow accumulation. Windy with lows in the lower 30s. Chance of precipitation 80 percent.

Thursday
Mostly cloudy with a chance of snow in the morning... then mostly sunny. Brisk with highs in the mid 30s. Chance of snow 50 percent.


Rain/Snow line will set up on the East River!
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780. PalmyraPunishment 15:57 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Quoting Beachllama:
I'm having waffles for breakfast, it seems appropriate.


I had waffles Saturday morning, threw one out the front door and she went chasing after it. Nom'sayin?!?!?!?!
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781. 900MB 16:00 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Quoting Blizzard92:
Let's try not to waffle along with the models. I have remained steady in my ideas since Friday. Might have lower confidence, but no sense waffling.


You have been super steady! When do the next set of models come out?
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782. PhillySnow 16:03 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Hope you feel better soon, Blizz. And yes, it is fun and educational having you on the blog during the day! :)
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783. Zachary Labe 16:06 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Good news on 12z GFS; shifted a tad west again.

Total QPF...

I am feeling a bit better seeing the shift west for those of us in the Lower Susquehanna Valley.
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784. Zachary Labe 16:06 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Thanks everyone! I think I am beginning to feel better.
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785. Beachllama 16:08 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Quoting PalmyraPunishment:


I had waffles Saturday morning, threw one out the front door and she went chasing after it. Nom'sayin?!?!?!?!


For sure!

I just had TWC on while I was downstairs toasting said waffles and Stephanie Abrams said Boston is going to get the big snow. I was like "oh really?" (yes, I was talking to my TV), but then she said maybe.
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786. Zachary Labe 16:09 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
There is still time for this to shift even farther northwest with a QPF placement like the ECMWF. It will be a close call for I-95, but I still remain steady on them receiving at least some rain. And I really do not understand why local meteorologists are calling for this for snow to mix or rain. This will start as rain for eastern areas and change to snow, not vice versa.
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787. PalmyraPunishment 16:10 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Quoting Beachllama:


I was like "oh really?" (yes, I was talking to my TV), but then she said maybe.


Is this you when you watch tv?




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788. GTOSnow 16:11 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Blizz what are you thinking for about 50 miles west of Boston? I have not heard a cleat cut idea about what is going to happen, NWS went from Snow to ice and rain, now back to snow.....
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789. PalmyraPunishment 16:11 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
You know, Blizz, I was discussing that with a co-worker this morning after watching Calhoun. I can't remember many times in a storm like this where the changeover was from snow to mix/rain. That seems to happen with Miller B type events where CAD is featured, but I don't ever remember it really happening with this type of a setup.

Maybe I'm thinking it wrong?
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790. bwi 16:16 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
LWX is talking about a two-part system: the first part mainly rain possibly mixed with snow for DC morning on wednesday, the second part likely snow on the back side wednesday night with falling temps. Hopefully the storm will be strong and the back side won't bust for us. HPC had a 999mb low in SC at 12z Wed -- that seems like a good start.
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791. PhillySnow 16:17 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Blizz - Here's an explanation from Mount Holly:

CLOSER TO I-95...THE PICTURE BECOMES MURKIER. THE COLUMN WILL BE UNDERGOING WARMING...SO THE PRECIPITATION TYPE IS STILL IN QUESTION. TEMPERATURES COULD NEAR OR JUST ABOVE FREEZING AS THE PRECIPITATION STARTS...BUT AFTER THIS IT IS UNCLEAR WHAT THE PREDOMINATE PRECIPITATION TYPE WILL BE. FREEZING RAIN IS A POSSIBILITY...ESPECIALLY WEST OF THE DELAWARE RIVER.

FINALLY...SOUTHEAST OF I-95....THE FRONT END OF THE EVENT (WEDNESDAY INTO WEDNESDAY EVENING) LOOKS LIKE A RAIN EVENT. THE COLUMNS WARMS ENOUGH TO PRECLUDE MUCH IN THE WAY OF SNOWFLAKE PRODUCTION...AND THE
BOUNDARY SHOULD BE WARM TOO.
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792. kaaterskillfalls 16:18 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Blizz -

More big time cold air coming in following this storm ?

Think there will be any mixed ppt. up in the mid-Hudson Valley ?

Thanks for all your analysis.
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793. 900MB 16:19 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Quoting Blizzard92:
There is still time for this to shift even farther northwest with a QPF placement like the ECMWF. It will be a close call for I-95, but I still remain steady on them receiving at least some rain. And I really do not understand why local meteorologists are calling for this for snow to mix or rain. This will start as rain for eastern areas and change to snow, not vice versa.


As for NYC they have Tuesday night/Weds morning lows in the mid-20's. If the storm makes it here by then they figure that the cold air will hold long enough to start as snow, then change to rain during the day with highs in the upper 30's, then back to snow Weds night with cold air pulled in on the backside of the storm. However, if we don't see anything until Noon Weds or later I can see how it would start rain.

This is a mystery storm!!!
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794. testbenchdude 16:20 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
According to the 12Z GFS, it looks like it's going to bomb out off the southern NJ coast between 6pm and midnight on Wednesday. It really does look like rain changing over to moderate to heavy snow along I95 from Balt to Philly. Me likey, lets hope this verifies.
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795. Beachllama 16:22 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Quoting PalmyraPunishment:


Is this you when you watch tv?






Stephanie Abrams said big snow for Boston...maybe. I didn't say maybe. I rarely question myself, LOL.
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796. MissNadia 16:22 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Good Morning,
The local mets., here in Wilmington NC are moving the track of the low westward as time passes. Two days age it was to go directly overhead and now they have it passing well to our west !!!
The wind has been increased to the 30 kt. range from the south.
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797. Zachary Labe 16:25 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
I am leaning warmer than the models on a side of caution for the big cities thinking more rain than snow. But we shall see. I am definitely leaning towards mostly rain around Washington DC.

GTOSnow- It is hard to tell, but I think a mix is certainly likely. But you still will get wet snow accumulation.

PalmyraPunishment- You are spot on. I am certain with any scenario for this storm that it will not go from snow to a mix/rain. If we do not get all snow, then it starts as rain and goes to snow. I am not sure what is wrong with our locals.

kaaterskillfalls- I think there is another big time arctic blast coming towards early February. But I will save that explanation for another day.
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798. 900MB 16:28 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Quoting testbenchdude:
According to the 12Z GFS, it looks like it's going to bomb out off the southern NJ coast between 6pm and midnight on Wednesday. It really does look like rain changing over to moderate to heavy snow along I95 from Balt to Philly. Me likey, lets hope this verifies.


I assume this is good for NYC snow as well?

Hope Bloomberg keeps an eye on this one. At least it's a weekday, he weekends in Bermuda (must be nice).
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799. MissNadia 16:36 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
B-92
I am with you on rain East of 95. The ocean is in the 60s south of Hatteras
and with the storm tracking over land, it will pull in a lot of warm moist air!
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800. zotty 16:44 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    

Quoting Blizzard92:

Still sick unfortunately; off to the doctors this afternoon. You people have me for another day on here, lol.
Get well Blizz!  Thanks for working through your illness for us.
(Clearly you did not try the Winston Churchill method.  There is still time!)
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801. PhillySnow 16:48 GMT le 24 janvier 2011    
Quoting Blizzard92:
I am leaning warmer than the models on a side of caution for the big cities thinking more rain than snow

Agreed. With this type of storm, we are very rarely colder than forecast. The storm almost always brings in more warmth than expected, and we are disappointed with all rain instead of a mix or a period of snow.
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Humidité: 56%
Vent: Calme
Rafale de vent: 5.0 mph
Updated: 16:08 EDT le 22 mai 2013
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