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Looking back at Hurricane Gustav's record 211 mph wind gust
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 04:28 GMT le 30 décembre 2008 +3
As we look back at the weather events of 2008, perhaps the most impressive record set during the year occurred during Hurricane Gustav, which pounded Cuba as a Category 4 hurricane in August. Gustav set a new world record for highest wind gust ever measured in a hurricane. As Gustav passed over the Paso Real de San Diego meteorological station in the western Cuban province of Pinar del Rio, Cuba, on the afternoon of August 30, 2008, a wind gust of 211 mph (94.4 m/s) was recorded (it was originally pegged at 212 mph, but has been "downgraded" to 211 mph after an official review by the World Meteorological Organization). The powerful winds blew down the anemometer, and it is possible that higher gusts occurred after the instrument failed. Not only is this the highest wind speed ever measured in a hurricane, it is the second highest wind gust ever measured at a non-mountain location on Earth, and is the third highest wind gust ever measured on the surface of the planet. The highest wind gust in recorded history is the amazing 253 mph reading recorded on Barrow Island, Australia, during Tropical Cyclone Olivia in 1996. The second highest wind speed ever measured was 231 mph (370 km/hr) on the top of Mt. Washington, New Hampshire, on April 12, 1934, during passage of an extratropical storm. The fourth highest wind gust on record was the 207 mph gust measured in Greenland at Thule Air Force Base on March 6, 1972. The previous highest wind gust measured in a hurricane was 186 mph at Blue Hill Observatory, Massachusetts, during the notorious 1938 "Long Island Express" hurricane.


Figure 1. Anemometer used to measure the record 211 mph gust in Hurricane Gustav. Gustav's powerful winds flattened the instrument against the roof of the observing station. Image credit: Jose M. Rubiera Torres, Instituto de Meteorologia of Cuba.

Is this a believable record?
The instrument used for the measurement in Gustav was a Dines pressure tube anemometer mounted on the roof of the weather office. According to Jose M. Rubiera Torres of Cuba's Instituto de Meteorologia, "The graph is neat and the instrument was in perfect technical working condition. The wind peaked up to 340 km/h and then the anemometer mast fell over the concrete roof of the station's building, sharply interrupting the measurement. The graph [Figure 2], shows that wind gusts were increasing at a regular pace with time, until the instrument broke down when it got to the 340 km/h mark." Dines anemometers have a proven track record of reliability, and have been used in Cuba for over 60 years. A formal committee under the auspices of the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) certified the record in 2009.


Figure 2. Trace of the Dines anemometer used to measure the record 211 mph gust in Hurricane Gustav. Image credit: Jose M. Rubiera Torres, Instituto de Meteorologia of Cuba.

How did such a strong gust occur?
At the time Hurricane Gustav moved over the Paso Real de San Diego meteorological station, the storm was rated a Category 4 hurricane with sustained winds of 150 mph, gusting to 185 mph. When the peak wind gust of 211 mph was measured at 22:35 GMT, the western eyewall of Gustav was over the anemometer site, as seen on Cuban radar (Figure 3). The town of Paso Real de San Diego is at an elevation of about 40 meters, and lies 25 km inland, about 12 km south of a rugged line of mountains up to 700 meters high. The counter-clockwise flow of air around Gustav's eyewall meant that the winds arriving at Paso Real de San Diego were forced to pass over these mountains first. The mountains probably focused and accelerated the winds through gaps between the peaks, and the air accelerated further as it rushed downhill under the force of gravity. Strong downbursts due to collapsing precipitation cores inside Gustav's eyewall probably contributed to the extreme gusts. When hurricanes make landfall, the intense thunderstorm cells that comprise the eyewall sometimes collapse suddenly, sending a downward cascade of intense winds to the surface. When this rush of wind hits the ground, it spreads out in all directions, forming a strong surface wind event known as a downburst. It has been theorized that some of the extreme damage noted in Florida during Hurricane Ivan in 2004 and Hurricane Andrew in 1992 may have been associated with downbursts from collapsing eyewall thunderstorm cells. This behavior may also be responsible for some of the extreme damage in Mississippi from Hurricane Katrina. Animations of infrared satellite imagery available from the University of Wisconsin CIMSS Satellite Blog show that the eyewall of Gustav collapsed during passage over the high mountains to the north of Paso Real de San Diego, but this occurred after the world record wind gust was measured.


Figure 3. Radar image of Hurricane Gustav (top) at 22:25 GMT on August 30 2008, five minutes before the world record 211 mph hurricane wind gust was measured. The site of the Paso Real de San Diego meteorological station where the record was set is marked with a red dot. A topographic map (bottom) shows the line of mountains up to 1200 meters high that lies just north of the town. The counter-clockwise flow of air around the eye of Gustav brought the strongest winds of Gustav across the mountain range then downhill to Paso Real de San Diego. Radar image credit: Instituto de Meteorologia of Cuba. Topographic map image credit: Wikipedia.

Note: this post was updated in 2010 to reflect the official WMO review of Gustav's wind gust, plus the addition of the new World Record wind gust set in TC Olivia in 1996.

Jeff Masters
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401. BtnTx 18:57 GMT le 02 janvier 2009    
So Mr MichaelSTL you PROVE GW with your FACTS from UNBIASED web sites. WE Get it Already!

Now, what is the SOLUTION ??
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402. KEHCharleston 19:16 GMT le 02 janvier 2009    
My last words on the subject (Yikes - the noise of cheering is deafening)

I accept that you have credible scientific information showing an increase in greenhouse gases and the effect it has on surface temperature. However, your acceptance of that data has somehow become a refusal to look at any other data that might also have an influence.
Here is an analogy.
You go to the doctor with shortness of breath. He listens to your lungs hears the wheezing, has you go to the pulmonary lab to test your lung capacity, inspiratory and expiratory flow rates. Based on that scientific data, he determines that you have obstructive pulmonary disease (which you do). You are placed on broncho-dilators and steroids.
The diagnosis was made and no further study was done.
Turns out that you also had an infection, that had exacerbated your pulmonary disease - not recognized - not treated.
That is what you are doing. You look at only one grouping of scientific data. Because it gives you the answer you had already believed in - you look no further.

I have had a chance to check out the NASA GISS Surface Temperature Analysis (reference for your graphs)
The narrative explains the way the analysis works and confirms a warming trend over the last 100 years or so. ("global cooling after 1940 was small, and there was net global warming of about 0.4%uFFFDC between the 1880s and 1970s.")
You were using the site primarily for accurate graphics so we will not belabor the point that the report does not address the cause(s) of global warming.

On that page if you follow the link to the preliminary discussion and scroll down to the last paragraph, the report mentions the importance of ranking years (warmest etc). I quote
"Finally, we note that we provide the rank of global temperature for individual years because there is a high demand for it from journalists and the public. The rank has scientific significance in some cases, e.g., when a new record is established. However, otherwise rank has limited value and can be misleading. Note that, given our estimated error bar in Figure 1, we can only say that 2008 probably ranks as somewhere between the 7th and 12th warmest year. As opposed to the rank, Figure 3 provides much more information about how the 2008 temperature compares with previous years, and why it was a bit cooler (note the change in the Pacific Ocean region)."
(Recent history)

I had hoped that we could find some point of agreement (That reasonable people could disagree)- alas it does not appear to be in the cards.
Michael - You get the last word! ;)
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403. futuremet 19:23 GMT le 02 janvier 2009    
Starting tomorrow, I will give my weekly forecast using my voice...first time.
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404. KEHCharleston 19:30 GMT le 02 janvier 2009    
Quoting futuremet:
Starting tomorrow, I will give my weekly forecast using my voice...first time.

Looking forward to it. - This will be a Futuremet Production?
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406. futuremet 19:38 GMT le 02 janvier 2009    
Quoting KEHCharleston:

Looking forward to it. - This will be a Futuremet Production?


lol yes
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407. futuremet 19:42 GMT le 02 janvier 2009    
MicahaelSTL

Yes I agree Global warming is happening, and it might just be a trend. Look at the past global temperatures; we are in a pseudo ice age compare to back then. This global warming theory is just too overhyped.

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408. Patrap 19:45 GMT le 02 janvier 2009    



Well,Actually we've been Monitoring the WU-Blogs for some time now.

But as we see it in the future,..Dec 2012 will present some real challenges for the Human Race.

But enjoy your blogging for now..
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410. Caffinehog 19:53 GMT le 02 janvier 2009    
Quoting futuremet:
MicahaelSTL

Yes Global warming is happening, and it might just be a trend. Look at the past global temperatures; we are in a pseudo ice age compare to back then. This global warming theory is just too overhyped.


Thank you. Finally someone else is saying what I've been saying all along.

The real question is not whether global warming is real - it probably is. The question is not how we reduce CO2 emissions - even if we can, it probably won't stop global warming anyways. The question is: How do we, as humans, deal with the change?
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411. Skyepony (Mod) 19:53 GMT le 02 janvier 2009    
99W Looks really neat right now. Totally tenacious in way less than ideal conditions. ~25 - 30kt shear. The lower part has been decoupled & carried to the N along with another competing surface low in the area. It is left with great divergance & little convergance. Shear is still dropping in the area & cloud tops are extremely cold.
NOAA mtsat
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412. futuremet 19:59 GMT le 02 janvier 2009    
Quoting Caffinehog:


Thank you. Finally someone else is saying what I've been saying all along.

The real question is not whether global warming is real - it probably is. The question is not how we reduce CO2 emissions - even if we can, it probably won't stop global warming anyways. The question is: How do we, as humans, deal with the change?


Great answer

There is just too many problems in this world, it is overwhelming.
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414. Patrap 20:06 GMT le 02 janvier 2009    
The Lil Ice Age


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415. futuremet 20:11 GMT le 02 janvier 2009    
Quoting MichaelSTL:


Not that again... I think I already said that what caused those past changes is irrelevant for today, except to ascertain what is causing the present warming (most of those geologic changes are just that - very slow and gradual over millenia, especially if the graph goes back to the Precambrian; the current cooler period, as defined over the million-year timescale, started with a sudden decrease in CO2 levels; incidentally, much higher levels of greenhouse gasses also explains how the earth was warmer than today at times even in the very distant past when the sun was considerably dimmer than today (the "faint young sun paradox"; similar levels today would make it even warmer). As for being overhyped, you should be concerned; only an ignoramus would think it is being overhyped. Or perhaps you don't think it will be a problem in your lifetime - if anything, scientists have been underestimating the sensitivity of the climate (and a "few degrees" of warming is a lot more than the difference between an 80 degree day and an 85 degree day, if you happen to live near the poles). Plus add in all of the other stuff like ocean acidification (recently found to be progressing 10 times faster than expected), sea level rise from ice melt (which is also progressing faster than expected, mostly because until recently relatively simple models were used) and so on (also includes threats to the food supply and water; and no, you can't grow the current food crops in places like northern Canada or Siberia), feedbacks that are found to be stronger than expected, etc.


* %u201CThe recent [Arctic] sea-ice retreat is larger than in any of the (19) IPCC [climate] models%u201D %u2014 and that was a Norwegian expert in 2005. The retreat has accelerated in the past two years.



Link


LOL you are taking this too seriously

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416. surfmom 20:12 GMT le 02 janvier 2009    
Future -- overwhelmed....? me too!!!!
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418. futuremet 20:23 GMT le 02 janvier 2009    
Quoting MichaelSTL:


Many of those problems have the same cause - too many people on the planet using too many resources

Speaking of resources, that brings up another issue - fossil fuels will not last forever, given that they formed over hundreds of millions of years and we are burning them up in centuries. In other words, even if we did nothing to convert to all-renewables in order to reduce emissions, we would eventually be forced to do so anyway (and possibly much more painfully if shortages develop while there is little renewable infrastructure). One common argument made by those who oppose changes is that it would cost so much it would kill the economy or such, which is false, if done correctly.


The universal truth is that, Humans cannot solve the global issues today. A harder life in the future is inevitable.

You are right, population will continue to grow and strain our resources and ecosystem. YET WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT IT?

For over 6000 years humans have established numerous governances, yet none bring peace. For thousands of years technology advanced exponentially, yet it is being used for more bloodshed (nukes). These technologies also hasten global warming (factories..coal).

In a sense, we are destroying oursevles, and there is nothing we can do about it, even if we want to what is good.


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419. Skyepony (Mod) 20:24 GMT le 02 janvier 2009    
Too overwelming...don't think small:) What part of that timeline does humans exist? The trick here is that any sudden shift in climate is going to make a big uncomfortable impact on humans as a whole. Wars, disease..like many of the govts of the earth are saying. We know certain gases trap heat to the earth & it's getting hotter. As humans we should not be throwing gas on the fire right now. Permafrost is melting, the ocean has soaked to near saturation the CO2 it can hold endangering seafood as a food source for us, a big chunk of something broke off last week.. Any idea what % of the world lives within 20 feet of sea level? Part of adapting involes not torching our home. A shift to renewable will be a boost to the economy. It really is about time we stop spewing CO2 unchecked, polluting, while cutting down the forests that is natures balance for it, at a staggering rate.
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420. Patrap 20:26 GMT le 02 janvier 2009    
The three Milankovitch Cycles

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422. surfmom 20:35 GMT le 02 janvier 2009    
Quoting Skyepony:
Too overwelming...don't think small:) What part of that timeline does humans exist? The trick here is that any sudden shift in climate is going to make a big uncomfortable impact on humans as a whole. Wars, disease..like many of the govts of the earth are saying. We know certain gases trap heat to the earth & it's getting hotter. As humans we should not be throwing gas on the fire right now. Permafrost is melting, the ocean has soaked to near saturation the CO2 it can hold endangering seafood as a food source for us, a big chunk of something broke off last week.. Any idea what % of the world lives within 20 feet of sea level? Part of adapting involes not torching our home. A shift to renewable will be a boost to the economy. It really as about time we stop spewing CO2 unchecked, polluting, while cutting down the forests that is natures balance for it, at a staggering rate.


THE ABOVE QUOTE bears repeating......
Skye also walks her talk...visit her blog and learn how you can be pro-active.....
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423. futuremet 20:39 GMT le 02 janvier 2009    
lol

I'm done with this, I'll try not to get involved in the "doom's day drama".

I'll focus more on the current weather conditions.

~Thanks GulfPoet
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424. KEHCharleston 20:41 GMT le 02 janvier 2009    
I will not get into the the "causes of GW" discussion (been there - done that). However, If y'all review the today's post you will see that No One espoused the idea that it was just fine to continue to use fossil fuel's indiscriminately or that it was ok to clear cut the amazon, or pollute the air, water and earth. Over and over again, folks stated the need to protect the planet from pollution(regardless of their view on GW.) Not once on the blog today did I read that change would cost so much it would kill the economy.
Just wanted to be sure that No One was misled ;)
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425. help4u 20:47 GMT le 02 janvier 2009    
Most countries in the world have rampant abortions.Don't think we will have to worry about over population when we can kill our children before they are born.Their is one less problem to worry about.Maybe we can just keep all you smart people and the world would be a better place.
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426. futuremet 20:49 GMT le 02 janvier 2009    
Quoting KEHCharleston:
I will not get into the the "causes of GW" discussion (been there - done that). However, If y'all review the today's post you will see that No One espoused the idea that it was just fine to continue to use fossil fuel's indiscriminately or that it was ok to clear cut the amazon, or pollute the air, water and earth. Over and over again, folks stated the need to protect the planet from pollution(regardless of their view on GW.) Not once on the blog today did I read that change would cost so much it would kill the economy.
Just wanted to be sure that No One was misled ;)


Lol

GW is becoming too tedious here.

Since there are no tropical cyclones in the Atlantic, Does this happen every winter?

First year here in the blog.
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427. ILwatcher 20:54 GMT le 02 janvier 2009    
Wow!

Global warming, population explosion, and abortion all on one page.




Futuremet -- I second Poet's thoughts regarding your post 418.
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428. Patrap 20:59 GMT le 02 janvier 2009    
A photographic look at Hurricane Gustav after it made landfall in the Gulf Coast. (Sept. 1)

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429. HurrikanEB 21:01 GMT le 02 janvier 2009    
While I see that we're on the topic of global warming and such I'll throw in my two cents.
Personally i do think that global warming is occouring and i may or may not be occouring naturally, but ever since the industrial revolution the enviromrnt has been on a downslope due to human involvement. My biggest issue with the subject isnt weather or not humans are making the world warmer, but is rather the envirometal disttruction and species extinction caused by pollution, cars, over population,wars and deforestation. As saf as im concerned those issues are having a bigger impact

HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE! 2009!!
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430. KEHCharleston 21:02 GMT le 02 janvier 2009    
futurement - I don't know - my first winter, too.

I have to admit that I contributed to keeping the topic going. I will try not to get sucked in again folks.
Talk about a vortex!

On a lighter note- did everyone catch post# 353. fireflymom
Dr Jay Explains

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431. BtnTx 21:04 GMT le 02 janvier 2009    
Quoting MichaelSTL:


Many of those problems have the same cause - too many people on the planet using too many resources

Speaking of resources, that brings up another issue - fossil fuels will not last forever, given that they formed over hundreds of millions of years and we are burning them up in centuries. In other words, even if we did nothing to convert to all-renewables in order to reduce emissions, we would eventually be forced to do so anyway (and possibly much more painfully if shortages develop while there is little renewable infrastructure). One common argument made by those who oppose changes is that it would cost so much it would kill the economy or such, which is false, if done correctly.


There is another theory that the earth's core is constantly producing oil and natural gas that is gaining plausability. Albeit it might not be at the rate at which we are consuming those. (No I don't have time to produce links now as I have errands to run. One should not have any trouble Googling this theory)
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432. HurrikanEB 21:04 GMT le 02 janvier 2009    
Quoting futuremet:


Great answer

There is just too many problems in this world, it is overwhelming.


Thats why i just try not to worry about it. Do my part about conservation, and try to let others know, but right now im alive, so why complain?
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433. HurrikanEB 21:09 GMT le 02 janvier 2009    
Quoting KEHCharleston:
futurement - I don't know - my first winter, too.

I have to admit that I contributed to keeping the topic going. I will try not to get sucked in again folks.
Talk about a vortex!

On a lighter note- did everyone catch post# 353. fireflymom
Dr Jay Explains




ok. Are there any vortexes out there today? I haven't checked. How about that 99W character? is it like an invest or a T.storm? looks like it has some impresive clod tops for being under 35kts ;)
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435. HurrikanEB 21:23 GMT le 02 janvier 2009    
Gulfpoet, that is a georgous picture to go along with a great post
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436. HadesGodWyvern 21:41 GMT le 02 janvier 2009    
Joint Typhoon Warning Center

Tropical Disturbance Summary (1800z 02JAN)
============================================

An area of convection (94S) located at 21.6S 36.2E or 635 NM west-southwest of Antananarivo, Madagascar. Recent animated multispectral satellite imagery shows that an obscured low level circulation center has migrated over the open waters of Mozambique Channel. Convection has been sporadic about the low level circulation center due to marginal upper level support, land interference, and to a less extend low ocean heat content. A 0401z Quikscat Image resolves a weak low level circulation center positioned near land with strong surface confluence to the south. A 1212z TRMM Microwave image shows definite turning with the bulk of deep convection located to the south of the low level circulation cneter corresponding to the line of covergence analyzed on Quikscat.

Maximum sustained winds near the center is 18-22 knots with a minimum sea level pressure of of 1007 MB. The potential for this disturbance to form into a significant tropical cyclone within the next 24 hours is POOR.
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437. HadesGodWyvern 21:46 GMT le 02 janvier 2009    
WEATHER ADVISORY

Weather Advisory no. 01
For Low Pressure Area
Issued at 5:00 p.m., 02 January 2009

The low pressure area estimated at 340 kms east of Eastern Visayas (11.0N 129.0E) is expected to bring frequent rains over Eastern Visayas and Northern Mindanao. This weather disturbance will continue to persist in the next 2-3 days.

Resident along the flood and landslide prone areas are advised to take all the necessary precautionary measures.

THE NEXT UPDATE WILL BE ISSUED AT 5:00 PM TOMORROW
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438. PensacolaDoug 22:40 GMT le 02 janvier 2009    
Here's the link and the article.
Things that make you go hmmmm...


http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=13834


Rapid growth spurt leaves amount of ice at levels seen 29 years ago.

Thanks to a rapid rebound in recent months, global sea ice levels now equal those seen 29 years ago, when the year 1979 also drew to a close.

Ice levels had been tracking lower throughout much of 2008, but rapidly recovered in the last quarter. In fact, the rate of increase from September onward is the fastest rate of change on record, either upwards or downwards.

The data is being reported by the University of Illinois's Arctic Climate Research Center, and is derived from satellite observations of the Northern and Southern hemisphere polar regions.

Each year, millions of square kilometers of sea ice melt and refreeze. However, the mean ice anomaly -- defined as the seasonally-adjusted difference between the current value and the average from 1979-2000, varies much more slowly. That anomaly now stands at just under zero, a value identical to one recorded at the end of 1979, the year satellite record-keeping began.

Sea ice is floating and, unlike the massive ice sheets anchored to bedrock in Greenland and Antarctica, doesn't affect ocean levels. However, due to its transient nature, sea ice responds much faster to changes in temperature or precipitation and is therefore a useful barometer of changing conditions.

Earlier this year, predictions were rife that the North Pole could melt entirely in 2008. Instead, the Arctic ice saw a substantial recovery. Bill Chapman, a researcher with the UIUC's Arctic Center, tells DailyTech this was due in part to colder temperatures in the region. Chapman says wind patterns have also been weaker this year. Strong winds can slow ice formation as well as forcing ice into warmer waters where it will melt.

Why were predictions so wrong? Researchers had expected the newer sea ice, which is thinner, to be less resilient and melt easier. Instead, the thinner ice had less snow cover to insulate it from the bitterly cold air, and therefore grew much faster than expected, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center.

In May, concerns over disappearing sea ice led the U.S. to officially list the polar bear a threatened species, over objections from experts who claimed the animal's numbers were increasing.

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439. clwstmchasr 23:13 GMT le 02 janvier 2009    
Here's the link and the article.
Things that make you go hmmmm...



Very interesting. Let's see what Dr. M has to say about this?
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440. PensacolaDoug 23:24 GMT le 02 janvier 2009    
We already know what MSTL is gonna say. I posted this earlier and he gave a "ROFLMAO" response.
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442. whatwhat1 01:43 GMT le 03 janvier 2009    
* Sea-level rise from 1993 and 2006 — 3.3 millimetres per year as measured by satellites — was higher than the IPCC climate models predicted.

STL what is the rate since 2005? Short time period yes, but so is 1993-2006. I believe it has slowed to 2mm per year do you concur? Or is that also bogus info?
443. whatwhat1 01:56 GMT le 03 janvier 2009    
Carbon dioxide is released to the atmosphere by a variety of natural sources, and over 95% of total CO2 emissions would occur even if humans were not present on Earth.
444. Skyepony (Mod) 02:02 GMT le 03 janvier 2009    
Doug~ check out the graph that goes with the article (upper right of the article). They are comparing the sea ice anomily for this time of year & the article should state the beginning of 1980, at the beginning of 1997 there was 1.25 mill sq km more of ice then this year. You could also say we have 1 million sq km less sea ice today than we did this time last year. The summer to winter season switch is never exactly the same. Look again at the graph~ we have never had such low sea ice anomily summer peaks like we have seen the last few years. The last 3 year bringing another -1 mill anomily alone at summer peak. That is staggering, especially since the fabled NW passage is now opening in the summer. Something once speculated by extreme GW fanatics to happen at the end of this century. Good thing it is showing some recovery. Don't let an early winter fool you in a La Nina to neutral to La Nina year that we had as much volcano ash as the year of Pinotubo into thinking we are about to enter the next ice age.
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445. RTLSNK (Mod) 02:11 GMT le 03 janvier 2009    
Post # 405, MichaelSTL, 7:36 PM GMT, Jan 02,09
Quote: "Now I have really had it - you won't be seeing me reply anymore from now on, forever."

Post # 413, MichaelSTL, 8:04 PM GMT, Jan 02,09
Quote: "Not that again..."

Let me see if I have my scientific facts correct here. FOREVER = 24 minutes. Less the time it took to hit the quote button, type 27 lines of type, and insert the link.

Hmmm, somehow I always thought forever was a little bit longer than 24 minutes. But forever can't be measured due to its very definition. Intolerance however, now that can be identified by the very words we use, and the petulant way we reply to our fellow man. It exposes our lack of judgement and maturity and tends to sully our reputations. It can be overcome if one puts enough effort into it. If we are "all" willing to put enough effort into it.
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447. pearlandaggie 02:23 GMT le 03 janvier 2009    
this can't be correct, can it?
Greenhouse Effect Poppycock

the solution to the nonexistent problem is as follows....
NASA's Hansen to Obama: Use Global Warming to Redistribute Wealth

meanwhile, truth has a way of dampening things...
Global Warming? New Year Ushers in New Snowfall Records

but, but, but...the Medieval Warm Period didn't occur...it couldn't have been hotter then than now without SUVs...
An Eighteen-Hundred-Year Climate Record from China


OMG!! what heresy!!!
Variations in sun’s radiation affect global warming, cooling

but hey, the GISS temperature record is untouchable....doh!
AGWer's data couldn't be contaminated, could it????

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448. SevereHurricane 02:23 GMT le 03 janvier 2009    
The bottom line is that,
If the Earth feels that we are threatening it it will shke us off like a dog with fleas, just like 99% of the other species that have lived before us.
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449. Patrap 02:26 GMT le 03 janvier 2009    
Quoting SevereHurricane:
The bottom line is that,
If the Earth feels that we are threatening it it will shke us off like a dog with fleas, just like 99% of the other species that have lived before us.



Sometimes I feel like Humans,.. myself and many Billions more,..are kinda Like Phat Ticks on a tired Bloodhound.

Use up and destroy the Host,..and well..you kinda get the picture.

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450. FLWeatherFreak91 02:28 GMT le 03 janvier 2009    
Quoting SevereHurricane:
The bottom line is that,
If the Earth feels that we are threatening it it will shke us off like a dog with fleas, just like 99% of the other species that have lived before us.
Exactly. We are nothing the Earth can't handle if she's had enough. We are so arrogant to think that we can harm the Earth as a whole. We just think that we're harming it.
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451. pearlandaggie 02:31 GMT le 03 janvier 2009    
448,449,450...you denialist, oil company shills...you should be banned! LOL

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