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A cautionary tale--the PETM
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 13:53 GMT le 29 avril 2009 +5
One frequently hears comments like, "Earth has had many periods of warmth far exceeding the warmth of today's climate, so we should not be surprised if the current warming of the globe is a natural phenomena". This view is especially prevalent among geologists, who take a very long view of history and are among the most skeptical scientists regarding the reality of human-caused climate change. It is true that Earth's past has had many episodes of natural global warming that we can learn from. But the greatest natural global warming episode of the past 65 million years, the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM) event of 55 million years ago, presents us with a cautionary tale of how massive releases of greenhouse gases--similar in scale to what humans are now producing--may cause extreme warming of the climate.

Earth's orbital variations--the most common form of natural global warming
The most common cause of natural global warming over time has been changes in Earth's orbit. Three oscillations in Earth's orbit with periods of 26,000, 41,000, and 100,000 years (called Milankovitch cycles) cause ice ages to be triggered when summer sunshine at 65°N reaches a minimum. The reduced sunlight over Canada, Siberia, and Scandinavia allows winter snowfall to persist through the summer, and thus accumulate and build Northern Hemisphere ice sheets. There isn't enough land in the Southern Hemisphere to allow large, land-based ice sheets to build there, so it is the growth and decay of Northern Hemisphere ice sheets that has controlled the timing of ice ages and warm inter-glacial periods over the past three million years. Earth's orbit is currently in a phase where the amount of sunlight falling at 65°N is changing very little. Thus, the primary mechanism for past natural global warming events is not to blame for the current warming. According to the "official" word on climate, the 2007 report of the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the amount of sunlight falling at 65°N is expected to change little over the next 30,000 years, and "it is very unlikely that the Earth would naturally enter into another ice age for at least 30,000 years".

Pumping huge amounts of carbon into the atmosphere coincided with extreme climate warming during the PETM
Natural global warming has also occurred in the past due to changes in solar brightness, and natural emissions of natural carbon dioxide (CO2) and methane (methane is the primary component of the natural gas we use to heat our homes, is a potent greenhouse gas 20 - 25 more effective at heating the Earth than than CO2, with a lifetime of about 9 years in the atmosphere before reacting with the OH radical to form CO2). I discussed one example of natural global warming in my previous post--volcanoes have emitted enough CO2 over time to account for a large portion of Earth's natural greenhouse effect. However, volcanoes only put about 1 - 3% as much CO2 per year into the atmosphere as human activities do. What, then, does Earth's past tell us about what might happen if we dump 100 times more carbon than volcanoes do into the atmosphere, over a period of a few centuries?

The end of Earth's Paleocene era, 55 million years ago, was a time of great warmth on planet Earth. Subtropical vegetation grew in Greenland and Patagonia, and crocodiles swam off the coast of Greenland. Sea surface temperatures at the North Pole were a toasty 64°F (18°C). Tropical palm forests in northern Wyoming played host to early primates. Despite the fact that the sun put out 0.5% less energy than today (equivalent to a global temperature that would be 0.5°C cooler), there was no polar ice cap or Greenland Ice Sheet. The higher temperatures of that era were probably due to high carbon dioxide levels of 560 - 600 ppm. This is far higher than the 280 ppm seen in the 1800s, and the 383 ppm as of 2009. The continents had a different configuration due to continental drift, and this may have kept the world warmer as well.


Figure 1. Global temperature change (right scale) as inferred from oxygen-18 isotope measurements (left scale) from fossil ocean microorganisms (Zachos et al., 2001). Oxygen-18 levels in these fossils are proportional to the temperatures of the era when the fossils were formed. The Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (labeled PETM) shows a sharp upward spike in temperatures occurred. This spike is likely to be understated by a factor of 2 - 4 due to coarse sampling and averaging in this data set. For more detail, see the Wikipedia entry for the PETM.

Then, 55 million years ago, the fossil record shows that an extraordinary drop in the ratio of carbon-13 to carbon-12 occurred, indicating that a massive amount of "light" carbon with low levels of the carbon-13 isotope was emitted into the atmosphere in a very short amount of time--just 500 - 20,000 years. The most likely source of carbon-13 depleted carbon would have been methane from ocean sediments or land vegetation. If it was methane, about 1,000 - 2,000 gigatons of carbon would have had to be injected into the atmosphere, in order to account for the observed fossil deposits. For comparison, the total amount of carbon in today's atmosphere, primarily as CO2, is a factor of two or three less--about 810 gigatons. The fossil record shows that extreme climatic warming occurred nearly simultaneously with this massive release of carbon into the atmosphere. Global average temperatures rose 9°F (5°C) in a geological instant--1,000 - 10,000 years (Sluijs et al., 2007). Average sea surface temperatures at the North Pole reached 74°F (23°C). The warmth lasted 120,000 - 220,000 years before weathering of silicate rocks was able to remove the CO2 from the atmosphere and return the climate to its former state. This was the largest global warming event since the time of the dinosaurs, 65 million year ago (Moran et al., 2006). The resulting impact on Earth's climate was so severe that a new geological era was born--the Eocene. The warming event has been dubbed the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM), since it occurred at the boundary of these two eras. Ocean circulation patterns changed radically during the first 5,000 years of the PETM (Nunes and Norris, 2006), and the deep oceans became 11°F (6°C) warmer, severely depleted in oxygen, and more acidic. A mass extinction of deep ocean microorganisms resulted, though the exact reasons remain unclear. The PETM did not cause mass extinctions on land of plants and animals, but a major turnover in mammalian life occurred at that time. Many of today's major mammalian orders emerged in the wake of the PETM. The new geological era it ushered in, the Eocene, is named for the Greek goddess of the dawn (Eos), since this was the dawn of the era of large mammals.

It is extremely difficult to explain the warmth of the PETM without assuming that the huge amount of "light" carbon pumped into the atmosphere created intense warming due to the greenhouse effect. The controversial question is, how did this carbon get into the atmosphere? Did PETM happen because of the greenhouse effect from all the carbon added to the atmosphere, or did the carbon get released into the atmosphere in response to climatic warming from another cause (and boosting the warming that was already occurring?) The mystery is a difficult one to unravel, since our vision of what happened so long ago is very fuzzy. A recent high-resolution study of ocean sediments laid down in New Jersey during the PETM (Sluijs et al., 2007) argued that about half of the PETM warming occurred 1,000 - 1,500 years before the 1,000 - 2,000 gigatons of "light" carbon got injected into the atmosphere. The authors theorize that global warming due to some other cause heated up the deep oceans enough to release methane stored in the form of methane hydrate, a form of methane 'ice' that forms in cold bottom water under great pressures and is widely distributed and plentiful in sediments on the outer edges of continental margins. The methane released was the huge pulse of "light" carbon seen in the fossil record, and this methane warmed the planet even further via the greenhouse effect. The authors argued that the warming that triggered the PETM could have been due to a variation in Earth's orbit, or due to a pulse of greenhouse gases that didn't happen to be enriched in light carbon. A wide variety of other theories abound. Dickens (2004) theorizes that a volcano in the North Atlantic erupted through a huge fossil fuel deposit in overlying ocean sediments, releasing massive amounts of the stored carbon into the atmosphere. Pancost et al. 2006 found evidence that the warming of the PETM significantly increased as carbon stored on land in wetlands was released in the form of methane. Huber (2008) argued that temperatures got so hot during the PETM that a huge die-off of tropical vegetation resulted, creating vast deserts and putting thousands of gigatons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, further increasing temperatures.


Figure 2. Photographs of methane hydrate as nodules, veins, and laminae in sediment. Intense warming of the deep oceans during the PETM may have released huge quantities of methane gas from ocean sediments with methane hydrates in them. Image credit: United States Geological Survey.

Computer climate models fail to reproduce the PETM
A big concern about the climate models that we are using to forecast climate for the coming century is that they do a poor job of reproducing the climate of the Eocene, and, in particular, the PETM. These models fail to reproduce the high temperatures observed in the polar regions relative to the tropics during the PETM. However, in the words of climate scientists Daniel Schrag and Richard Alley in a 2004 article in Nature, "It would be a grave mistake to take these lessons from ancient climates as a reason to disregard the projections from climate models." If the observations of the climate in this far-ago era are correct, the reason that the climate models fail to correctly simulate this past climate is because the climate is more sensitive to CO2 than believed. There is a missing "feedback" causing increased warming near the pole that the models are missing. Sluijs et al. (2006) theorize that the models may be missing how hurricanes transport heat to the poles, or how polar stratospheric clouds may act to trap heat over the poles. In short, the failure of the models to correctly simulate the PETM may mean that our current estimates of the amount of global warming likely over the coming century (1.1°C - 6.4°C) are far too low. The other possibility, mentioned by Huber (2008) is that the models are correct, but the temperatures inferred for the tropics from the fossil record are in error. This wouldn't be the first time that measurements were found to be in error and the models vindicated.

Comparison with today
Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, humans have pumped about 500 gigatons of carbon into the atmosphere. There are about 5,000 gigatons in the planet's coal reserves, while oil and traditional natural gas deposits are hundreds of gigatons each (Rogner, 1997). Given that humans are now adding about 10 gigatons of carbon to the atmosphere each year (Global Carbon Project, 2007), we will surpass the 1,000 gigaton mark 50 years from now at current emission rates. This is at the lower end of the 1,000 - 2,000 gigatons of carbon that are estimated to have been added to the atmosphere during the PETM--the most extreme natural global warming event of the past 65 million years. Though our view of events so long ago is very fuzzy, the PETM should serve as a cautionary tale. We cannot rule out the possibility that continuation of our current rates of fossil fuel burning will lead to an extreme climatic warming event like the PETM. In particular, we need to keep a careful eye on the huge reservoirs of methane hydrate stored in marine sediments (500 - 10,000 gigatons of carbon) and stored in permafrost (7.5 - 400 gigatons). Continued warming of the planet could trigger substantial releases of these massive reservoirs of greenhouse gases, leading to a repeat of the PETM event. However, a 2008 study by the U.S. Climate Change Science Program (CCSP, 2008) concludes that there is currently no evidence that a sudden catastrophic release of methane stored in ocean sediments or in permafrost will happen over the next century. It should take at least a century for global warming to penetrate the deep oceans and permafrost regions containing these significant reservoirs of methane hydrates. The study concludes, "Catastrophic release of methane to the atmosphere appears very unlikely in the near term (e.g., this century)...Although the prospect of a catastrophic release of methane to the atmosphere as a result of anthropogenic climate change over the next century appears very unlikely based on current knowledge, many of the processes involved are still poorly understood, and developing a better predictive capability requires further work. On a longer time scale, methane release from hydrate reservoir is likely to be a major influence in global warming over the next 1,000 to 100,000 years". So, the bottom line is: don't expect global warming to be able to cause huge releases of methane hydrates in the coming century, such as may have occurred during PETM. But it is wise to ponder that a release of greenhouse gases similar in magnitude to what we are doing now coincided with the most extreme global warming event of the last 65 million years. We should not be surprised if our human greenhouse gas emissions cause a similar massive climate perturbation over the next 1,000 years, leading the dawn of a new geological era--the Anthropocene.

For more information
The best resource I found while researching this was a December 2008 report from the U.S. Climate Change Science Program (CCSP), titled, Abrupt Climate Change. Chapter 5, "Potential for Abrupt Changes in Atmospheric Methane" [1.3 Mb] was the relevant chapter.

References
Archer, D., 2007, "Methane hydrate stability and anthropogenic climate change", Biogeosciences, 4, 521544,.

Dickens, G.R., 2004, "Hydrocarbon-driven warming", Nature 42, 429, pp513-515, 3 June 2004.

Huber, M., 2008, "A Hotter Greenhouse?", Science 321, no. 5887, pp. 353-354, DOI: 10.1126/science.1161170

Moran, et al., 2006, "The Cenozoic palaeoenvironment of the Arctic Ocean", Nature 441, 601-605 (1 June 2006) | doi:10.1038/nature04800.

Nunes, F. and R.D. Norris, 2006, "Abrupt reversal in ocean overturning during the Paleocene/Eocene warm period", Nature 439 (7072): 603. doi:10.1038/nature04386

Pancost, R.D., et al., 2006, "Increased terrestrial methane cycling at the Palaeocene-Eocene thermal maximum", Nature 449, 332-335 (20 September 2007) | doi:10.1038/nature06012

Rogner, H.-H, 1997, "An assessment of world hydrocarbon resources", Annu. Rev. Energy Environ., 22, 217-262.

Sluijs, A., et al., 2006, "Subtropical Arctic Ocean temperatures during the Palaeocene/Eocene thermal maximum", Nature 441, 610-613 (1 June 2006) | doi:10.1038/nature04668

U.S. Climate Change Science Program (CCSP), 2008: Abrupt Climate Change. A report by the U.S. Climate Change Science Program and the Subcommittee on Global Change Research [Clark, P.U., A.J. Weaver (coordinating lead authors), E. Brook, E.R. Cook, T.L. Delworth, and K. Steffen (chapter lead authors)]. U.S. Geological Survey, Reston, VA, 459 pp.

Zachos, J. C., U. Rohl, S.A. Schellenberg, A. Sluijs, D.A. Hodell, D.C. Kelly, E. Thomas, M. Nicolo, I. Raffi, L.J. Lourens, H. McCarren, and D. Kroon, 2005, "Rapid Acidification of the Ocean During the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum", Science, 308, 1611-1615

Portlight.org relief walk in Destin, FL a big success
Over the weekend, the portlight.org disaster relief charity ran a highly successful relief walk in Destin, FL, to raise money for the disaster relief. The theme of this walk was to raise relief money not only for people, but for pets as well, with 25% of the money raised intended for taking care of pets injured or abandoned during disasters. As detailed in the portlight.org blog, the pet theme was a great way to raise money, and about $5000 was raised. The other relief walks this year raised $1500 in New Orleans and $542 in Kissimmee. Many more walks are planned this year, with the next one being this weekend (May 2) in Summerville, SC. Portlight also helped out with disaster relief operations for the South Carolina fires yesterday.



Jeff Masters
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801. stillwaiting 04:39 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
well this is the first time this year I've seen this!!!!!,there are cumulus clouds just drifting in off the GOM on shore and there are NO fronts in the area....things are starting to moisten up in the region and we'll soon(FL) be in the swing of things w/our rainy season starting a little earlier than normal,in about 2-3 weeks!!!!!!
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802. moonlightcowboy 04:41 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
714. Great stuff, Pat. 2 shuttles on the pad, interesting and cool. Thanks.
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803. moonlightcowboy 04:45 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
Quoting KoritheMan:


I use Google Chrome, and I've never had any issues with it. A very dependable web browser, IMO.

I may have to try that. I've been a fan of FF, but this latest, recent upgrade to 3.0.9 is causing me problems, crashing randomly, repeatedly. Never had that or really any with FF until this upgrade. Thanks for the tip.
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804. stillwaiting 05:08 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
Quoting TXGulfCoast:


Since the last Shuttle accident, they always have a Shuttle on the second pad in case the crew from the first one needs to be rescued.



ummm......,I don't think so!!!!!
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805. stoneycreek 05:18 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
The current obsession with "global warming" is another example of the increasingly uneasy relationship between hard science and public policy. Can we really predict the future?
When I was at school during the 1960's I was told the worlds population would go out of control and exceed 12 billion and we would suffer from famine in the 1980's. My grandparents were told that the world would be buried under piles of horse manure because of the exploding equine population.
Current scientific models just carry the present into the future. History has shown they are bound to be wrong. Unfortunately political policy and science have become inextricably mixed to the point where it will be difficult to separate them out.The geological record shows that the earth's climate has ALWAYS been subject to change.
The THEORY of global warming is unfortunately an example of subverting science to a political agenda. What is of particular concern, however, is the emerging trend of apparently educated experts joining this high profile bandwagon.


806. antonio28 05:20 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
The countdonw starts for 2009 Cane Season!
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807. weatherblog 05:30 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
Quoting antonio28:
The countdonw starts for 2009 Cane Season!


Less than a month left.
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808. slugabug 06:01 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
Assuming atmospheric CO2 causes "Climate Change", the massive amounts stored in the permafrost and ocean sediments would be the key. Did man-made warming cause CO2 to be released or is it Solar Activity warming the planet? We will soon find out since we are in the deepest Solar Minimum in recorded history.

Link

Is it possible that a single object capable of raising the Earth's atmospheric temperature 30 degrees fahrenheit in 8 hours might have something to do with "Climate Change"?
809. HadesGodWyvern 06:26 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
Joint Typhoon Warning Center

Tropical Cyclone Formation Alert (0130 02MAY)
========================================
An area of convection (94W-"Dante") located at 13.0N 124.0E or 200 NM east-southeast of Manila, Philippines. The low level circulation center has remained nearly quasi-stationary over southeastern Luzon. Observed surface observations suggest that the sea level pressure is near 1005 MB, however the observations near the region suggest wind speeds are from 15-20 knots. Animated enhanced infrared imagery indicates that the upper level continues to have good poleward outflow and weak vertical wind shear. Convection has begun to show improved organization with weak banding features on the northern periphery.

Maximum sustained winds near the center is 17-22 knots with a minimum sea level pressure of 1005 MB. The potential for this disturbance to form into a significant tropical cyclone within the next 24 hours is UPGRADED TO GOOD.
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810. HadesGodWyvern 06:26 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
Joint Typhoon Warning Center

Tropical Cyclone Formation Alert (0230z 02MAY)
============================================
An area of convection (95W) located at 16.6N 138.8E or 400 NM west-northwest of Guam. Animated multispectral imagery indicates that the low level circulation center has become well defined with a 2112z Quikscat Pass indicating 10-15 knots on the southern periphery and stronger 15-20 knot winds on the northern periphery. Convection has continued to increase on the eastern side of the low level circulation center, and is being enhanced by mid-latitude baroclinic zone north of the low level circulation center. Upper level analysis indicates the system is in moderate vertical wind shear associated with the baroclinic zone. Sea surface temperatures are favorable for development.

Maximum sustained winds near the center is 17-22 knots with a minimum sea level pressure of 1005 MB. The potential for this disturbance to form into a significant tropical cyclone within the next 24 hours is UPGRADED TO GOOD.
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811. HadesGodWyvern 06:27 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
Philippines Atmospheric Geophysical Astronomical Services and Administration

Tropical Cyclone Bulletin #4
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Tropical Depression "DANTE" has remained almost stationary.

At 11:00 AM PhST, Tropical Depression Dante located at 12.8°N 124.4°E or in the vicinity of Sorsogon has 10 minute sustained winds of 30 knots. The depression is reported as almost stationary

Signal Warnings Number One (30-60 kph winds)

Luzon Region
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1.Camarines Norte
2.Camarines Sur
3.Albay
4.Sorsogon
5.Catanduanes
6.Masbate
7.Burias Island
8.Southern Quezon

Visayas Region
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1.Northern Samar

Residents living in low lying and mountainous areas under signal # 1 are alerted against flashfloods and landslides.

Meanwhile, the low pressure area was estimated at 200 kms Northwest of Puerto Princesa City (11.5°N, 117.7°E).

The public and the disaster coordinating councils concerned are advised to take appropriate actions and watch for the next bulletin to be issued at 5 P.M. today.
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812. HadesGodWyvern 06:27 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
Joint Typhoon Warning Center

Tropical Disturbance Summary (0600z 02MAY)
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An area of convection (97W) located at 10.4N 111.3E or 165 NM southeast of Nha Trang, Vietnam. Animated multispectral imagery depicts a partially exposed elongated low level circulation center. Deep convection is evident to the north of the low level circulation center near a line of convergence and it is starting to wrap into the western periphery of the system. A 0005z SSMIS image shows a deep convective band wrapping around the northern flank of the system and into the center. A 2254z Quikscat pass shows a closed circulation with rain flagged 20 knot winds along the western edge of the circulation and weaker unflagged 5-10 knot winds along the eastern side. Upper level analysis shows low vertical wind shear and an upper level anticyclone slightly to the east of the low level circulation center.

Maximum sustained winds near the center is 17-22 knots with a minimum sea level pressure of 1005 MB. The potential for this disturbance to form into a significant tropical cyclone within the next 24 hours is FAIR.
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813. AussieStorm 06:28 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
Snow brings 'earliest ever' start to Mt Buller ski season
Saturday May 2, 2009 - 10:08 EST

The resort says previously the earliest start to the ski season was on May 16, 45 years ago.
The ski resort at Mount Buller has opened, several weeks ahead of the official opening of the ski season.

It is the earliest time it has opened in its history.

Rila Morgan from Buller Ski Lifts says one lift will run this weekend and is then likely to shut again until the season kicks off officially on the Queens Birthday long weekend.

"We've got about a good 30 centimetres of snow on the ground," she said.

"We've already got hundreds of people starting to filter in to the resort.

"We're very excited, it's the earliest we've ever opened a lift at Mt Buller. The closest we've come was on the 16th of May and that was 45 years ago."

- ABC

Mt Buller Webcam


More Snowcams here Link
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814. HadesGodWyvern 06:28 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
I bet you guys wish all this action was in the Atlantic..

Look at the 4 system/invest action!!
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815. HadesGodWyvern 06:40 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
ya! AusieStorm is speechless
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816. KoritheMan 06:49 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
Quoting HadesGodWyvern:
I bet you guys wish all this action was in the Atlantic..

Look at the 4 system/invest action!!


Hell yeah.

Meh, our time will come soon enough.
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817. Cotillion 09:10 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
'UN warning over Burma cyclone aid.'

Hundreds of thousands of people in Burma's Irrawaddy Delta still need assistance - a year after a deadly cyclone, the UN and aid agencies warn.

The UN and Burma's neighbours made a $700m (£469m) appeal for reconstruction in February but have so far received pledges of only $100m (£67m).

The UN says it is now allowed to bring in all the staff it needs after an initial ban by Burma's (Myanmar) junta.

Cyclone Nargis killed about 140,000 people in 2008...

..Link
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818. Cotillion 09:11 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
Quoting moonlightcowboy:

I may have to try that. I've been a fan of FF, but this latest, recent upgrade to 3.0.9 is causing me problems, crashing randomly, repeatedly. Never had that or really any with FF until this upgrade. Thanks for the tip.


Yeah, the latest upgrade I've been on - 3.0.10 - is absolutely terrible. Cookies just don't seem to work, bookmarks disappear randomly, spontaneous crashing...

Almost enough to drive a man back to IE.
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819. KoritheMan 09:22 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
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820. DaphneCanewatcher 10:51 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
Quoting StormSurgeon:
Fredirik, no doubt (sep 12, 1979).
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821. DaphneCanewatcher 10:57 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
I totally agree with you on Frederic being the worst, as he was a direct hit in 79. I still have the newspapers from the event and it's amazing to review the photos of the mass destruction.
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822. RTLSNK (Mod) 11:01 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
63*F in Macon Georgia this morning under clear skies, calm winds, and 87% humidity. It is possible our humidity level may increase somewhat as time rolls on.

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823. AussieStorm 11:38 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
Quoting HadesGodWyvern:
ya! AusieStorm is speechless

what i posted didn't come up
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824. AussieStorm 11:44 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
Quoting Cotillion:


Yeah, the latest upgrade I've been on - 3.0.10 - is absolutely terrible. Cookies just don't seem to work, bookmarks disappear randomly, spontaneous crashing...

Almost enough to drive a man back to IE.

FF 3.0.0.0 Link
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825. TampaSpin 11:55 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
Quoting slugabug:
Assuming atmospheric CO2 causes "Climate Change", the massive amounts stored in the permafrost and ocean sediments would be the key. Did man-made warming cause CO2 to be released or is it Solar Activity warming the planet? We will soon find out since we are in the deepest Solar Minimum in recorded history.

Link

Is it possible that a single object capable of raising the Earth's atmospheric temperature 30 degrees fahrenheit in 8 hours might have something to do with "Climate Change"?


Great article! Thanks!
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826. TampaSpin 12:04 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
From Redoubt Volcano......This is pretty cool.

Link
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827. CybrTeddy 12:21 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
T-30 Days to the Atlantic Hurricane Season of 2009.
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828. ftpiercecane 12:34 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
822, send some of that rain down here.
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829. KEHCharleston 12:43 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
73.6F - Wish that rain would make it to the coast RTLSNK (A bit humid this morning)

In any case should be a glorious day for the Portlight walk in Summerville.

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830. farleymac 12:51 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
I was wondering, after reading Jeffs blog on global warming, how much jet contrails are suppressing atmospheric warming? I remember reading about the study that was done for the period after 9-11-01 when all airplane activity was halted, and it indicated there was a significant difference in 'normal' temperature range during that period.
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831. TampaSpin 13:00 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
All of the wishcasting by some of the GFS model has silenced. Nothing looming! Everyone have a Great weekend!
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832. ronni9 13:02 GMT le 02 mai 2009    




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833. Tropicsweatherpr 13:05 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
Quoting CybrTeddy:
T-30 Days to the Atlantic Hurricane Season of 2009.


Make it 29.

Link
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834. Cavin Rawlins 13:11 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
The 6Z GFS long-range develops two tropical cyclones in the SW Caribbean and EPAC around Mid-May. It also has a number of surface troughs scattered across the Atlantic basin. Currently I am going to discard these as accurate and always look within 168 hrs.
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837. Orcasystems 13:57 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
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839. stillwaiting 14:46 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
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840. stillwaiting 14:54 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
Goooooooooood morning fellow wunderblogger!!!!,live from beutiful siesta key beach,FL...todays a beach day if I've ever saw one!!!,the humidity is back and you can tell..dew points already around 70F


does the TWC pre-record some of there segments???,because this ditz just said the derby is tomorrow???(sun),and I know the dirby's today.....anyone have any favorites?????
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841. ftpiercecane 15:11 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
840. perfect beach weather here on the east side also. Waves i9n the knee to thigh high range.
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842. hurricane23 15:23 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
Quoting stillwaiting:
well this is the first time this year I've seen this!!!!!,there are cumulus clouds just drifting in off the GOM on shore and there are NO fronts in the area....things are starting to moisten up in the region and we'll soon(FL) be in the swing of things w/our rainy season starting a little earlier than normal,in about 2-3 weeks!!!!!!


Wetter then normal rainfall expected down here across southeast florida in the coming months.Dont see any significant precip amounts 3-5 day range though,(Maybe) some caribbean moisture creeping northward.
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843. GBlet 15:23 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
Keep watching the models cuz I want all the warning I can get. We are headed south on June 2nd. Will be on gulf coast for the whole month.
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844. keyzdazeez 15:27 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
long shot general quarters crooked hoof and all this horse is a winner, got alot of heart and runs good in a wet enviroment, might rain there today word has it. What is rain? been so long forgot what it looks or feels like
Quoting stillwaiting:
Goooooooooood morning fellow wunderblogger!!!!,live from beutiful siesta key beach,FL...todays a beach day if I've ever saw one!!!,the humidity is back and you can tell..dew points already around 70F


does the TWC pre-record some of there segments???,because this ditz just said the derby is tomorrow???(sun),and I know the dirby's today.....anyone have any favorites?????
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845. ftpiercecane 15:28 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
Quoting GBlet:
Keep watching the models cuz I want all the warning I can get. We are headed south on June 2nd. Will be on gulf coast for the whole month.


Watch those fronts stalling out in the gulf.
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846. GBlet 15:29 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
We are taking our quadripalegic child to the gulf for graduation gift. Will be in Freeport area. I'm think I'm more excited than he is to go.
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847. GBlet 15:35 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
We were in Orlando in between Katrina and Rita, boy that was a mess. Gas lines started on our first nite. We had no clue what was happening.
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848. Tropicsweatherpr 15:59 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
I dont know if sunspots can affect how the tropics behave,but there was one yesterday.Any consequenses for tropical activity?

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849. stillwaiting 16:05 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
thanks keydaz!!!!,so ure sayin their "mudders",lol?????................

hur.23:I think in the 7-10 day you'll start seeing your seabreeze storms begining to occur in ernest down south and then the action moving north as a STRONG SSE flow brings tropical airmass back into the region,starting our "rainy season"!!!...imo
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850. pottery 16:09 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
Post 848. There was sunspot activity yesterday ??
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851. Tropicsweatherpr 16:16 GMT le 02 mai 2009    
Quoting pottery:
Post 848. There was sunspot activity yesterday ??


Yes,here is the image.

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