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97L growing more organized, will bring heavy rain to the Lesser Antilles
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 15:55 GMT le 19 juillet 2009 +1
The tropical wave near 12N 52W, about 600 miles east of the Lesser Antilles Islands (97 L), has grown more organized this morning as it tracks west at about 20 mph. This wave is surrounded by an area of very dry air from the Sahara Desert, but 97L has been able to steadily moisten a large region of the atmosphere over the past day, insulating itself from the dry air. This moistening process has been aided by sea surface temperatures (SSTs) that have steadily increased from 26.5°C to 27.5°C, plus the presence of only 10 knots of wind shear. The system now has a small area of intense thunderstorms near its center, with some rotation of the cloud pattern evident at mid-levels of the atmosphere. An upper-level outflow channel has opened to the north, and there is evidence that surface spiral bands are beginning to form. This morning's QuikSCAT pass missed 97L, so we don't know what is happening at the surface.

Wind shear is a modest 10 knots over the disturbance, and is forecast to remain in the moderate 10 - 15 knot range through Monday morning. This should allow further development to occur today, and 97L could be approaching tropical depression strength on Monday as it moves through the central Lesser Antilles Islands. Monday night, shear is expected to rise to 20 - 30 knots, thanks to the presence of a trough of low pressure at upper levels of the atmosphere over the eastern Caribbean. Since 97L is a relatively small system, it is very vulnerable to wind shear. This shear may be able to drive some of the dry air west of 97L deep into its interior, significantly disrupting the disturbance. Shear will remain high along 97L's path through Thursday, when the storm should be in the western Caribbean near Cuba. If there is anything left of 97L by then, some development is possible. The National Hurricane Center gave 97L a low (less than 30% chance) of developing into a tropical depression in the next 48 hours in their 8am Tropical Weather Outlook. However, I'd say the odds are now in the medium range (30 - 50%).

None of the computer models are forecasting tropical storm development over the next seven days.


Figure 1. Current satellite image of African wave 97L.

I'll have an update Monday morning. As 97L approaches the islands, you may want to follow local observations there using our wundermap for 97L.

Jeff Masters
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601. Stormchaser2007 19:02 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
Looks like an anticyclone will be in the Central Caribbean. It will be very interesting to see if 97L can make it there.

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602. plywoodsale 19:02 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:
97L did a great job of organizing today. Too bad that does nothing for the NHC.


Too much NHC bashing going on here. They did say it was more organized but the 48 hour forecast calls for a date with the shear monster.....
603. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 19:03 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    


latest as of 301pm edt
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604. SavannahStorm 19:04 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
Quoting BurnedAfterPosting:
A Wins!!!




I won! I won!

NHC fails, though.
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605. plywoodstatenative 19:05 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
Keeper,

Notice where the system is and where the dry air has shifted to?
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606. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 19:05 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
Quoting plywoodsale:


Too much NHC bashing going on here. They did say it was more organized but the 48 hour forecast calls for a date with the shear monster.....
soon to be replaced with empty space
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607. stormdude77 19:05 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
608. Cavin Rawlins 19:05 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
Quoting Vortex95:
Quickscat missing 97l may have had somthing to do with it as well. Man that thing is glitchy.


Nar, it's a polar orbiting satellite thus becuz of its rotation, it overlaps between 40N and 40S. Thus the blank swaths.
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609. BurnedAfterPosting 19:05 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
the bashing is getting a bit old folks lol

Like I said I can see why they said what they said, it is based on the forecasted shear, those things can change

we will see how it plays out, but please lets cut the bashing
610. Patrap 19:07 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
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611. Stormchaser2007 19:07 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
Central convection looks to be deteriorating quickly. Do not say its due to DMIN. This is expected as the day goes on. Although it should regain convection tonight.
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612. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 19:07 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
Quoting plywoodstatenative:
Keeper,

Notice where the system is and where the dry air has shifted to?
yes NHC made the right call
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613. plywoodstatenative 19:07 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
Someone go to :http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil and look for the GEO Vapor satellite that is most recent. Shows something blowing up on the eastern edge of the storm
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614. Patrap 19:08 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
The NHC does a Fantastic job when the Going gets tough..always.
A 25 mph Invest isnt a threat to Birds..

Lighten Up Francis and Francine..
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615. RufusBaker 19:08 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
I will have to say that if it goes into the gulf it will go east towards central FL
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616. BurnedAfterPosting 19:09 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
Central convection looks to be deteriorating quickly. Do not say its due to DMIN. This is expected as the day goes on. Although it should regain convection tonight.


structure continues to improve though
618. plywoodstatenative 19:10 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
Weatherstudent, we are not being given access to that link you posted.
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619. Stormchaser2007 19:11 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
Quoting RufusBaker:
I will have to say that if it goes into the gulf it will go east towards central FL


You mean you want it to.
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620. Patrap 19:11 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
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621. extreme236 19:11 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
Central convection looks to be deteriorating quickly. Do not say its due to DMIN. This is expected as the day goes on. Although it should regain convection tonight.


Convection strengthening in the band around it though. Not uncommon for early systems to have weaker central convection.
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622. eddye 19:12 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
plywood im there
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624. hunkerdown 19:12 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
Attention all bloggers, please go to your settings and change your "names" and add "ster" to the end your current name :)
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625. weatherwatcher12 19:12 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
Very moist out there:
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626. Drakoen 19:12 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
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627. RufusBaker 19:12 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
That tstalled front over the south will steer it east.
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628. stormwatcherCI 19:13 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
Winds up to 30 mph pressure down 1012
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629. jm1975fl 19:13 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
Can anyone tell me anything about the BAMM model. That one has it dangerously close to South Florida where I live. Thanks
630. Patrap 19:14 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
97L still dragging Dry Air into its core..or center



Floater 1 - Water Vapor Loop
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631. Patrap 19:16 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
Technical Attachment

AN OVERVIEW OF NHC PREDICTION MODELS


BAM - The Beta and Advection Model



The Beta and Advection Model is a baroclinic-dynamical track prediction model. It produces a forecast track by following a trajectory in the vertically averaged horizontal wind starting at the current storm location out to 120 hours. The trajectory is corrected to account for the variation of the Coriolis force with latitude, the so-called Beta effect. (Beta is the Greek letter frequently used in meteorological equations to represent the change in the Coriolis parameter with latitude.)

The figure shows how the conservation of absolute vorticity results in the formation of anticyclonic relative vorticity in the northeast quadrant of the storm, and the formation of cyclonic relative vorticity in the southwest quadrant of the storm: Diagram of absolute vorticity advection and relative vorticity formation in the vicinity of a tropical cyclone.. The result adds a component of motion to the northwest to the storm's trajectory.

Three versions of the BAM model are run with shallow (850-700 mb), medium (850-400 mb), and deep (850-200 mb) layers. All three versions of the model are run operationally four times per day.

Reference: Marks, D. G., 1992: The beta and advection model for hurricane track forecasting. NOAA Tech. Memo. NWS NMC- 70, 89 pp.
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633. BurnedAfterPosting 19:16 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
Now that I think of it, NHC is right on the money with this

Low chance of development in the next 48 hours when you consider shear will increase tonight

Again if the shear forecast changes, than they will increase the chances for development.
634. hunkerdown 19:17 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
Quoting jm1975fl:
Can anyone tell me anything about the BAMM model. That one has it dangerously close to South Florida where I live. Thanks
See model summaries here. This link is posted on the tropical/hurricane link on weatherunderground (top left of the page).
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636. nrtiwlnvragn 19:17 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
Quoting jm1975fl:
Can anyone tell me anything about the BAMM model. That one has it dangerously close to South Florida where I live. Thanks


Models Explained
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637. BurnedAfterPosting 19:17 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
Quoting WeatherStudent:
They're taking it the wrong way, Drak. ROFL.


What?
638. WxLogic 19:18 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
K... back... well seems NHC is moving with extreme care as I suspected hehe. I guess I can't blame them.

I do expect for 8PM tonight to have this system be declared as a medium (30% to 50%) by NHC... but by that time and due to the current organization that I'm seeing (upper outflow, good low inflow, and TSTM build up around the center) and if it keeps it up... I won't be surprised that it could be a TD before they even get into the High probability area.

20+ shear location will be critical for this system... but I believe it might be able to survive it as it has been attempting to stay shallow enough to keep itself on the southern end of the strong shear until conditions become a bit more favorable.
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639. CaneWarning 19:18 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
WeatherStudent, in your expert opinion, what do you think 97L will do???
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640. eye 19:18 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
The wave that rolled off Africa a couple days ago looks descent, though it appears attached to the ITCZ.
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641. hunkerdown 19:19 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
Quoting CaneWarning:
WeatherStudent, in your expert opinion, what do you think 97L will do???
oxymoron
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642. BurnedAfterPosting 19:19 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
Lets remember the NHC goes off the GFS shear maps

GFS is forecasting increased shear tonight and for the next few days, than favorable after that


shear not favorable by the GFS = low chance of development
643. Patrap 19:20 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
Convection is waning,..

Floater 1 - Water Vapor Loop
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644. Stormchaser2007 19:21 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
Quoting hunkerdown:
oxymoron


Lol

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645. BurnedAfterPosting 19:21 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
Quoting Patrap:
Convection is waning,..

Floater 1 - Water Vapor Loop


structure better organized however and DMIN is soon, so not too big of a deal
646. eye 19:21 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
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647. RufusBaker 19:22 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
season is waning...
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648. Patrap 19:22 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
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649. STORMMASTERG 19:23 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
Even though convection is weakening/keeps getting its structure better/moistening air.
650. weatherwatcher12 19:23 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
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651. scottsvb 19:23 GMT le 19 juillet 2009    
You guys are like kids jumping up and down in the back seat of the car... this is just a strong tropical wave... yes its close to TD status.. but right now this has no model support .. (Which means) this will probably get sheared later tonight into Monday
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