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97L growing more organized, will bring heavy rain to the Lesser Antilles
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 15:55 GMT le 19 juillet 2009 +1
The tropical wave near 12N 52W, about 600 miles east of the Lesser Antilles Islands (97 L), has grown more organized this morning as it tracks west at about 20 mph. This wave is surrounded by an area of very dry air from the Sahara Desert, but 97L has been able to steadily moisten a large region of the atmosphere over the past day, insulating itself from the dry air. This moistening process has been aided by sea surface temperatures (SSTs) that have steadily increased from 26.5°C to 27.5°C, plus the presence of only 10 knots of wind shear. The system now has a small area of intense thunderstorms near its center, with some rotation of the cloud pattern evident at mid-levels of the atmosphere. An upper-level outflow channel has opened to the north, and there is evidence that surface spiral bands are beginning to form. This morning's QuikSCAT pass missed 97L, so we don't know what is happening at the surface.

Wind shear is a modest 10 knots over the disturbance, and is forecast to remain in the moderate 10 - 15 knot range through Monday morning. This should allow further development to occur today, and 97L could be approaching tropical depression strength on Monday as it moves through the central Lesser Antilles Islands. Monday night, shear is expected to rise to 20 - 30 knots, thanks to the presence of a trough of low pressure at upper levels of the atmosphere over the eastern Caribbean. Since 97L is a relatively small system, it is very vulnerable to wind shear. This shear may be able to drive some of the dry air west of 97L deep into its interior, significantly disrupting the disturbance. Shear will remain high along 97L's path through Thursday, when the storm should be in the western Caribbean near Cuba. If there is anything left of 97L by then, some development is possible. The National Hurricane Center gave 97L a low (less than 30% chance) of developing into a tropical depression in the next 48 hours in their 8am Tropical Weather Outlook. However, I'd say the odds are now in the medium range (30 - 50%).

None of the computer models are forecasting tropical storm development over the next seven days.


Figure 1. Current satellite image of African wave 97L.

I'll have an update Monday morning. As 97L approaches the islands, you may want to follow local observations there using our wundermap for 97L.

Jeff Masters
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1651. barbadosjulie 01:22 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Should Barbados get any rain out of this?
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1652. IKE 01:22 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Quoting Ossqss:
StormW, when was the last time you saw a sat with the hard turn over the GoM like this ?

It looks impressive now, and I really don't remember a time as such.



You see it a few times in the winter. I'm in the panhandle of Florida. Just got a beneficial quarter inch of rain.

Who needs 97L?

For the record....

We are through 49 days of the tropical season.
We have 134 to go and.....it's over.
27% of the season is behind us.
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1653. stormdude77 01:23 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Quoting Barbados:
Come on 97L. At least bring us something to cool us down.


tomorrow will be very interesting...
1654. StormJunkie 01:24 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
We have 134 to go and.....it's over.
27% of the season is behind us.


Ike, please don't mock The Season™...It will last til January just to spite you...lol
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1656. JRRP 01:25 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Quoting BurnedAfterPosting:
97L still has good rotation, it lost some convection, some is starting to build already, it is a long way away from DMAX, if it can keep building it might be able to survive

structure of the system still looks good, just an hour ago the NHC said it "continued to get better organized", so lets go with that for now.

at least the rotation is there
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1657. stormdude77 01:25 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Quoting barbadosjulie:
Should Barbados get any rain out of this?


Of course we will, but now sure how much yet (maybe an inch or even less)

have to wait till morning...
1659. IKE 01:26 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Quoting StormJunkie:
We have 134 to go and.....it's over.
27% of the season is behind us.


Ike, please don't mock The Season™...It will last til January just to spite you...lol


LOL....

My prediction was no named storm through July. I still may be right.
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1660. JRRP 01:26 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
I think we need to watch the wave(blob)east of 30 w although it is pretty far south looks pretty healthy.

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1661. BahaHurican 01:27 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
It seems the weather has been all over the place so far this season.

A front in the GOM? A ULL instead of a Twave bringing moisture to S Florida?

Hmmmm.....
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1662. Ossqss 01:29 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Quoting StormW:


Been a while...I think Mother Nature thinks it's October or something.


I am not a Met, but I have been watching a long time (20+ years) and that just looks unusual to me. Worth watching, IMHO.
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1663. WxLogic 01:32 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Quoting JRRP:



It has been managing since it has been able to stay away from the SAL up north... as you mentioned it could be interesting if it's able to get ahead of the SAL and gain some latitude.
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1664. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 01:32 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Quoting StormW:


Been a while...I think Mother Nature thinks it's October or something.


evening storm

feels like october where iam
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1665. RufusBaker 01:33 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Looks like a new burst of convection firing near the center of 97.
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1667. alaina1085 01:36 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Night Storm, See ya tomorrow.
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1668. StormJunkie 01:35 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    

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1670. Tsapp2008 01:35 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Quoting StormW:


I think right now (until I perform analysis tomorrow), the only concern I would have is if low pressure did start, and made its way over to the Bahamas in a few days. (fairly favorable upper level in a few)

Time to sign off. Have a great evening all!


why storm wouldn't the trought pick it up and move it out to see
1671. Middy83 01:36 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
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1673. sporteguy03 01:37 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Quoting IKE:


LOL....

My prediction was no named storm through July. I still may be right.


There is always 6z tomorrow Ike quieter peaceful blog lol.
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1674. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 01:38 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    


pop up convection begining to occur in 97l small areas at the moment
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1675. surfmom 01:39 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Quoting IKE:


You see it a few times in the winter. I'm in the panhandle of Florida. Just got a beneficial quarter inch of rain.

Who needs 97L?

For the record....

We are through 49 days of the tropical season.
We have 134 to go and.....it's over.
27% of the season is behind us.


Ike, I live for the groundswell, but I'm not stupid either --I like knowing we're 27 percent through-- all it takes is one.

for example your namesake.
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1676. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 01:40 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Quoting RufusBaker:
Looks like a new burst of convection firing near the center of 97.
from nothing it comes
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1677. surfmom 01:40 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Hey MON, I am going to win Ossqss's contest....

Quoting sporteguy03:


There is always 6z tomorrow Ike quieter peaceful blog lol.
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1678. weatherwatcher12 01:41 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
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1679. Tsapp2008 01:41 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
hey guys even if it does what StormW says and goes to the bahamas wouldn't the trough pick it up and move it out
1680. IKE 01:41 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Quoting sporteguy03:


There is always 6z tomorrow Ike quieter peaceful blog lol.


I'll be on here looking at 97L....
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1681. surfmom 01:42 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:


evening storm

feels like october where iam


welll, yeaaa -- you're next door to the Klondike dude!!!
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1682. weatherwatcher12 01:43 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
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1683. IKE 01:43 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Quoting surfmom:


Ike, I live for the groundswell, but I'm not stupid either --I like knowing we're 27 percent through-- all it takes is one.

for example your namesake.


Junior was a beast.

Plenty of convection over Florida.....

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1685. Dakster 01:44 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Feels like July here... Albeit hotter than I can remember. (and apparently since records were kept as well, as South Florida keeps breaking heat records)

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1686. weatherwatcher12 01:44 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Interesting from the wunderground site:


Beginning July 20 and ending July 22
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1687. StormJunkie 01:44 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Evening Tsapp

The easy answer to that is it is way to far out to tell where it may be, and what would happen.

Hypothetically...even if it were in the Bahamas, it is certainly to far out to tell where edge of the high pressure will be and therefore where it would go. Depends on strength of the system as well.

Wait and see as always...
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1688. BurnedAfterPosting 01:45 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Quoting weatherwatcher12:


shear continues to increase, doesnt look promising for 97L in the short term
1689. KEHCharleston 01:45 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Quoting IKE:


For the record....

We are through 49 days of the tropical season.
We have 134 to go and.....it's over.
27% of the season is behind us.

If you are counting days, then I suppose that's true.
However, I once went back through historical accounts and found that in the South Carolina Lowcountry, the vast majority of storms hit somewhere between the last 2 weeks of August and the month of September. (I am sorry that I do not remember exactly, but I think it was about 80%).
Since June and July have historically had not much impact, I will be waiting until August 15 to start my count down

Hey there, SJ.
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1690. weatherwatcher12 01:46 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Quoting BurnedAfterPosting:


shear continues to increase, doesnt look promising for 97L in the short term

Look at the forecast I posted
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1691. melwerle 01:46 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
I realize I shouldn't complain but it's HOT here...go figure. I think I brought the GA heat with us. It's 90, 67% humidity. The heat is supposed to break at some point this week. Not good though when you have no a/c.
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1692. BurnedAfterPosting 01:46 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Quoting weatherwatcher12:

Look at the forecast I posted


look at the map you posted from CIMSS, you seem to only consider the maps that show favorable shear and are ignoring the maps that show unfavorable shear

1693. tropicfreak 01:47 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Quoting BurnedAfterPosting:


shear continues to increase, doesnt look promising for 97L in the short term


Burned please I don't know how many times I have to say this but shear will decrease ahead of it.
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1694. weatherwatcher12 01:48 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Quoting BurnedAfterPosting:


look at the map you posted from CIMSS, you seem to only consider the maps that show favorable shear and are ignoring the maps that show unfavorable shear


I looked and I said the same thing as you until I saw the forecast for tomorrow.
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1695. PortABeachBum 01:48 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Quoting StormW:

...not to be that conducive over the GOMEX.



I so enjoy seeing things like your quote above.. Thanx StormW
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1696. Dakster 01:49 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Melwerle - I can only empathize with you. At least I have A/C...
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1697. BurnedAfterPosting 01:49 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Quoting tropicfreak:


Burned please I don't know how many times I have to say this but shear will decrease ahead of it.


you seem to be denying it too, look at the shear map and then look at the visible, shear is not becoming move favorable in the short term

As I said if it can survive the shear in the Eastern Caribbean, I think we will see Ana with 97L in the Central Caribbean
1698. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 01:49 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Quoting surfmom:


welll, yeaaa -- you're next door to the Klondike dude!!!
i know i may have to break out the yak coat
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1699. tropicfreak 01:49 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Quoting BurnedAfterPosting:


look at the map you posted from CIMSS, you seem to only consider the maps that show favorable shear and are ignoring the maps that show unfavorable shear



That is the info he got. It shows favorable shear and unfavorable shear. What the heck are you talking about. Favorable and unfavorable shear isn't separated into 2 maps. You don't make any sense.
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1700. TexasGulf 01:50 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Just got back from 7-day cruise from Galveston to Key West, Bahamas & back.

Weather was beautiful all week. Seas only 1-2 feet at most. I have never seen the gulf and Atlantic that calm ever. The seas were as calm as a small lake all the way through Florida straits, around the Bahamas & back into the gulf. The only rain and "slight" seas were on Saturday mid-gulf returning to Galveston.

SST's around bahamas were definitely 86-88 deg.F. The water temps felt like a warm backyard swimming pool.

That was a very good week out, but even the cruise crew were commenting about how abnormally calm the ocean was.

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1701. BurnedAfterPosting 01:50 GMT le 20 juillet 2009    
Quoting weatherwatcher12:

I looked and I said the same thing as you until I saw the forecast for tomorrow.


that map from WU has favorable shear in about 80% of the Atlantic about 95% of the time lol, I have found that it isnt very trustworthy

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