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TD 2 struggling; new African wave bears watching
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 14:19 GMT le 12 août 2009 +2
Tropical Depression Two is struggling. The depression still has a good chance of becoming the Atlantic hurricane season's first named storm this week, but the dry, Saharan air that surrounds the storm, combined with moderately high levels of wind shear, are interfering with the storm's organization. Satellite loops of the storm show that heavy thunderstorm activity is limited to the west side of the depression. This is due to strong winds out of the southeast that are creating a moderate 15 - 20 knots of wind shear. The intensity and coverage of these thunderstorms is meager, thanks to the large amount of dry air to TD 2's north that is getting wrapped into the circulation. This morning's QuikSCAT pass showed a well-formed surface circulation, with top winds of about 30 - 35 mph.

Wind shear over TD 2 is expected to remain in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next five days. Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are a marginal 26 - 27°C, and will not change much over the next three days. There is plenty of dry, stable air from the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) to to TD 2's north that will continue to cause the storm problems. The relatively cool SSTs and dry air mean that TD 2 will not be able to intensify quickly. However, it does appear likely that TD 2 has enough going for it that it will eventually be able to become Tropical Storm Ana sometime in the next three days. Most of the computer models show some weak development, but none of them predict TD 2 will become a hurricane. It is unusual for storms forming this far north to make it all the way across the Atlantic to hit the Lesser Antilles Islands. For now, TD 2 doesn't concern me as much as the new tropical wave to its southeast, just off the coast of Africa.


Figure 1. Tropical Depression Two (left center of image) and a new tropical wave (right side of image), newly emerged from the coast of Africa.

Elsewhere in the Atlantic
A strong tropical wave with some rotation and plenty of heavy thunderstorm activity left the coast of Africa yesterday, and is located a few hundred miles south of the Cape Verdes Islands. The GFS and ECMWF models continue to predict the development of this wave late this week. Both of these models indicate that the wave would track further south than Tropical Depression Two, and could impact the Lesser Antilles Islands in about seven days. This storm bears close attention over the coming days.

Two other tropical waves, one that just passed through the Lesser Antilles Islands, and one about 300 miles east of the islands, are mentioned in NHC's Graphical Tropical Weather Outlook. Both of these waves have very limited heavy thunderstorm activity that is not increasing, and are not a threat to develop over the next two days. None of the computer models develop either of these waves.

Felicia moves through Hawaiian Islands as a tropical depression
Tropical Storm Felicia weakened to a tropical depression before passing through the Hawaiian Islands yesterday. The storm brought scattered heavy rains of 1 - 2 inches to the islands, and no damage was reported. Felicia is only the 10th tropical cyclone of tropical depression strength or higher to hit the islands since 1950. Four other tropical cyclones have passed within 75 miles of the islands during that time period.

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651. Orcasystems 18:37 GMT le 12 août 2009    
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652. hurricane23 18:37 GMT le 12 août 2009    
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD
152 PM EDT WED AUG 12 2009

VALID 12Z SAT AUG 15 2009 - 12Z WED AUG 19 2009



ATLANTIC TROPICS QUITE ACTIVE THIS PERIOD WITH T.D. TWO FORECAST
TO BECOME T.S. ANA. BY DAY SEVEN THIS SYSTEM MAY BE SOUTHEAST OF
THE SOUTH ATLANTIC SEABOARD WITH MOST GLOBAL MODELS SUPRESSING
INTENSITY AT THIS TIME BEYOND DAY 5. SECOND AFRICAN COASTAL WAVE
HAS AGITATED NEARLY ALL GLOBAL FORECAST MODELS WITH GFS LEADING
THE PACK IN ITS CYCLOGENESIS AND FORECAST SPEED. A WELL AGREED
UPON TRACK TOWARDS THE LESS ANTILLES AT T.S. STRENGTH OR GREATER
AS INDICATED BY A MODEL CONSENSUS BY DAY 7 WED.
SEE NHC
DISCUSSIONS/ADVISORIES FOR THIS SYSTEMS. HPC PROGS REFLECT TPC AND
HPC COORDINATED POSITIONS.
ROTH/ROSENSTEIN

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653. IKE 18:37 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Key West latest discussion...

SHORT TERM (TONIGHT THROUGH FRIDAY NIGHT)...
LIGHT TO GENTLE SOUTHEAST TO SOUTH WINDS DEVELOPED IN THE LOWEST 2
KFT OF THE ATMOSPHERE LATE THIS MORNING...RUINING THE POTENTIAL OF
ISLAND CUMULUS CLOUD LINES DEVELOPING ALONG THE FLORIDA KEYS. THESE
CLOUDS LINES WERE THE MECHANISM FOR SLIGHTLY HIGHER RAIN CHANCES
THIS EVENING COMPARED TO TONIGHT...SO POPS CAN BE DROPPED BY 10
PERCENT FOR TONIGHT. AN ATLANTIC RIDGE OF HIGH PRESSURE ACROSS
CENTRAL FLORIDA WILL STRENGTHEN THURSDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. ISLAND
CUMULUS CLOUD LINES DEVELOPING ALONG THE FLORIDA KEYS ARE UNLIKELY
FOR THURSDAY. LACK OF CONVECTIVE TRIGGER WILL LIMIT POPS TO SLIGHT
CHANCE CATEGORY THURSDAY NIGHT AND FRIDAY. A TROPICAL WAVE NEAR THE
LESSER ANTILLES SHOULD BE MOVING INTO THE FLORIDA STRAITS FRIDAY
NIGHT.

.LONG TERM (SATURDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY)...
THE AFOREMENTIONED TROPICAL WAVE WILL CROSS THE FLORIDA KEYS
SATURDAY OR AT THE LATEST SATURDAY NIGHT. POPS WILL BE RAISED BY 10
PERCENT FOR SATURDAY. THE SUNDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY FORECAST WILL BE
BASED ON CLIMATOLOGY.
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654. stormsurge39 18:38 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Its been my experience with tropical storms and hurricanes in the GOM, that the projected cone most of the time shifts to the left.
655. cg2916 18:38 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting CycloneOz:
We could have Invest 90L at 5 PM and TD#3 at 11 PM.

I say 90L by 5, but it'll take a while before it develops.
Quoting extreme236:


We will actually know here within the next half hour.

Is there an official time that Invests get declared?
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656. CybrTeddy 18:38 GMT le 12 août 2009    
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657. Becca36 18:38 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting cg2916:

Not yet, but it shouldn't be long.
This potential invest is making the hairs on the back of my neck stand on end...hopefully just paranoia..
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658. Stormchaser2007 18:39 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting CycloneOz:
We could have Invest 90L at 5 PM and TD#3 at 11 PM.


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659. koneofdeath 18:39 GMT le 12 août 2009    
600. You Forgot the Ping pong table.

NOW you may laugh! But we were with out power for 3 weeks. We dusted off this ping pong table from the back of the garage and pulled it out. The first night 10 people, Second night 20 people. It was insane everybody was coming out, we barbaqued had a pit going. It was great. Did wonders for the moral in the neigborhood. Just remember you need tons of Ping pong balls.
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660. CaicosRetiredSailor 18:39 GMT le 12 août 2009    
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661. 7544 18:39 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting CycloneOz:
We could have Invest 90L at 5 PM and TD#3 at 11 PM.


anyone want to take a shot on what the models will show if we get 90l today
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662. CycloneOz 18:40 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:




Okay...TD#3 at 5AM... :)
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663. Cotillion 18:40 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Is the srh.noaa.gov/productview.php down for anyone else? Maybe because they're moving computers around, I dunno.
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664. nrtiwlnvragn 18:40 GMT le 12 août 2009    
OUTLOOK: AS THE CLIMATOLOGICAL MODELS SUGGESTED... CONDITIONS OVER
THE TROPICAL ATLANTIC HAS BECOME MORE FAVORABLE FOR TROPICAL
CYCLONE FORMATION. BUT THE LATEST RUN OF THE MODELS BREAKS
CONTINUITY...AND NOW SHOW MJO CONDITIONS PEAKING A LOT SOONER THAN
PREVIOUSLY ANTICIPATED...MID AUGUST RATHER THAN END OF THE
MONTH... THEN RAPIDLY WEAKEN THROUGH THE END OF AUGUST/EARLY
SEPTEMBER.


http://www.srh.noaa.gov/productview.php?pil=PMDCA&max=61
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665. Stormchaser2007 18:40 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting 7544:


anyone want to take a shot on what the models will show if we get 90l today


A long two weeks.
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666. extreme236 18:40 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting cg2916:

I say 90L by 5, but it'll take a while before it develops.
Is there an official time that Invests get declared.


Invests are almost always declared when the model runs are initiated. Usually about an hour after the TWO or so.
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667. Stormchaser2007 18:41 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting CycloneOz:


Okay...TD#3 at 5AM... :)


No surface low...no TD

It still has allot to do before it can become a TD.
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668. Chicklit 18:42 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Is now the time to finish that roof repair you've been putting off for a year?
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669. hurricanehanna 18:42 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:


A long two weeks.


Press!!! Get the Thorazine!!!!!
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671. IKE 18:42 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Miami afternoon discussion.....

RIDGE AXIS WILL CONTINUE IN PLACE OVER SOUTH FLORIDA TONIGHT AND
THURSDAY AS PATTERN BEGINS TO CHANGE OVER THE REGION. MODELS
CONTINUE THE UPWARD TREND IN THE POPS FOR THURSDAY AS PLENTY OF
MOISTURE WILL BE IN PLACE, ALONG WITH AN UPPER LOW OVER THE EASTERN
GULF WHICH SHOULD PROVIDE DECENT UPPER LEVEL DIVERGENCE OVER
FLORIDA. GFS MOS RESPONDED WITH POPS AS HIGH AS 60 PERCENT OVER
AREA, BUT COULD NOT SEE ANY JUSTIFICATION FOR RAISING POPS THAT
MUCH AS FORCING MECHANISMS STILL RATHER MODEST BEING THAT IT`S
AUGUST. NEVERTHELESS, WE EXPECT AN INCREASE IN SHOWERS AND TSTMS
THURSDAY VERSUS TODAY WITH POPS IN HIGH CHC CATEGORY.

HIGH PRES BEGINS TO REESTABLISH AND STRENGTHEN OVER THE WESTERN
ATLANTIC AND CENTRAL/NORTH FLORIDA THURSDAY NIGHT AND FRIDAY.
TROPICAL WAVE NEAR 63W EARLY THIS AFTERNOON CONTINUES TO MOVE
RAPIDLY WEST AND LOOKS INCREASINGLY LIKELY THAT IT WILL PLAY A
ROLE IN OUR WEEKEND WEATHER. BEFORE THE WAVE ARRIVAL LATE FRIDAY
NIGHT OR EARLY SATURDAY, AREA OF SUBSIDENCE AND DRIER AIR EXPECTED
TO MOVE THROUGH SOUTH FLORIDA ON FRIDAY, LEADING TO LOWER POPS AS
PRECIP WATER VALUES DROP TO ABOUT 1.6 INCHES.

THE GFS IS SHOWING THE TROPICAL WAVE MOVING THROUGH OVERNIGHT
FRIDAY NIGHT/SATURDAY MORNING WITH A WELL DEFINED LOW LEVEL WIND
SURGE (850 MB WINDS 30-35 KNOTS) ON ITS HEELS. THE MAIN AXIS OF
HIGHER MOISTURE VALUES IS PROGGED TO ARRIVE DURING DAY ON SATURDAY
WHICH IS WHEN WORST OF THE WEATHER MAY OCCUR. LATEST GFS RUN
ONLY EXTENDS THE HIGHER MOISTURE TO ABOUT A NAPLES/FORT LAUDERDALE
LINE, WITH DRIER AIR TO THE NORTH. THIS UNDERSCORES THE HIGH LEVEL
OF UNCERTAINTY WITH PRECIP PATTERNS ASSOCIATED WITH TROPICAL
WAVES. NEVERTHELESS, PRESENCE OF STRONG LOW LEVEL CONVERGENCE
BEHIND THE WAVE AND UPPER DIVERGENCE ASSOCIATED WITH A
SOUTHEASTERLY WIND MAX EXTENDING FROM THE CARIBBEAN ACROSS THE
FLORIDA STRAITS SHOULD PROVIDE ENOUGH SUPPORT FOR SCT TO NUMEROUS
SHOWERS AND TSTMS SPREADING WEST DURING SATURDAY. DRIER AIR THEN
FORECAST TO FOLLOW SATURDAY NIGHT INTO EARLY NEXT WEEK WITH RETURN
TO MORE TYPICAL AUGUST PATTERN AS EASTERLY FLOW BECOMES
ENTRENCHED OVER SOUTH FLORIDA FROM DEEP LAYERED HIGH EXPECTED TO
SIT OVER THE SE UNITED STATES.
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672. extreme236 18:43 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting WeatherStudent:


what does that all eman, adrian. you're scaring me.


Well its pretty obvious. Shows a Lesser Antilles threat in 7 days.
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673. CycloneOz 18:43 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:


No surface low...no TD

It still has allot to do before it can become a TD.


That's right, both times.

However, I've seen record-setting surface low development before.

So although I'm absolutely totally wrong...I could be right! :)
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674. Stormchaser2007 18:43 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting WeatherStudent:


what does that all eman, adrian. you're scaring me.


In simple terms?

DOOM! lol
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675. WxLogic 18:43 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:
OUTLOOK: AS THE CLIMATOLOGICAL MODELS SUGGESTED... CONDITIONS OVER
THE TROPICAL ATLANTIC HAS BECOME MORE FAVORABLE FOR TROPICAL
CYCLONE FORMATION. BUT THE LATEST RUN OF THE MODELS BREAKS
CONTINUITY...AND NOW SHOW MJO CONDITIONS PEAKING A LOT SOONER THAN
PREVIOUSLY ANTICIPATED...MID AUGUST RATHER THAN END OF THE
MONTH... THEN RAPIDLY WEAKEN THROUGH THE END OF AUGUST/EARLY
SEPTEMBER.


http://www.srh.noaa.gov/productview.php?pil=PMDCA&max=61


I guess this could mean that this week and next week would be the most active weeks we'll see... before it peaks again in Sept for another round.
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677. slavp 18:45 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting WeatherStudent:


what does that all eman, adrian. you're scaring me.
It means that you might not be starting classes on the 21st
678. Stormchaser2007 18:45 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting CycloneOz:


That's right, both times.

However, I've seen record-setting surface low development before.

So although I'm absolutely totally wrong...I could be right! :)


Lets just take this one day at a time. I say its needs a good 24-36 hours before we'll see a TD. The NHC will be more inclined to name this one since the press is already feeding on it. CNN just talked about it.
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679. presslord 18:45 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting hurricanehanna:


Press!!! Get the Thorazine!!!!!


lol...I could use some right now...we have a NASTY line of uglies marching through the Lowcountry...thunder sounds like the battle of Charleston...
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680. OSUWXGUY 18:45 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Good Afternoon Everybody!

I think that our African wave comes together a bit faster than some others on the blog think... Very nice convergence and vorticity. All that moisture is streaming toward a center...and it's only a matter of time before convection gets focused there (instead of in these spokes currently)

I'll go out on a limb and say we will have a depression or storm probably by 11AM tomorrow or 5PM at the latest.

681. Cotillion 18:45 GMT le 12 août 2009    
And ADT has taken the weakening flag off TD2. For the moment.

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682. wxhatt 18:45 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Speaking of Fujiwara;

"In 1955, two hurricanes formed very near each other. Hurricanes Connie and Diane at one point seemed to be one huge hurricane. The vortices were moving around each other in a counterclockwise motion."

Looks like our some of our weather analog years!!
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683. Stormchaser2007 18:46 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting StonedCrab:
If "Pre-Bill" becomes "Ana," who pays for the sex change operation?


That would be me...

Ive been calling her Bill for 5 days.
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685. CycloneOz 18:46 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:


Lets just take this one day at a time. I say its needs a good 24-36 hours before we'll see a TD. The NHC will be more inclined to name this one since the press is already feeding on it. CNN just talked about it.


Wow...
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686. oddspeed 18:46 GMT le 12 août 2009    
any thoughts on the blob in the GOM right now?
Big Blob in GOM
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687. KimberlyB 18:46 GMT le 12 août 2009    
WTG Pat! That's fantastic news!!
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688. Drakoen 18:46 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting UPRM1CIMA:
Meridional = north/south
Zonal = east/west

Not sure I follow your comment regarding the low level ridge.



The ridge is more poleward oriented
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689. fire635 18:47 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Can anyone answer this question? I currently am building a house. We have not closed on it (it wont be complete till October) If a hurricane were to come and destroy it, am I correct that I would NOT be liable for the damages? Would they just start over? Obviously the systems are WAYYYYY out there but I do live in Florida and its always a possibility.
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690. OSUWXGUY 18:47 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Oh and I don't buy the CMC Fujiwara BS with these two areas. They're pretty darn far apart and TD2 should start to pick up some speed soon as low/mid level steering flow increases...
691. CaneWarning 18:47 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting WeatherStudent:


what does that all eman, adrian. you're scaring me.


It's ok, our local weathermen all act scared too when they talk about it. They keep referring to it as a monster on one station.
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692. sctonya 18:48 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Press, it is a nasty line of storms. It already hit here....lots of high wind to go with this line of thunderstorms.
693. Drakoen 18:48 GMT le 12 août 2009    
EWP has MJO downward motion for most September
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694. presslord 18:48 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting fire635:
Can anyone answer this question? I currently am building a house. We have not closed on it (it wont be complete till October) If a hurricane were to come and destroy it, am I correct that I would NOT be liable for the damages? Would they just start over? Obviously the systems are WAYYYYY out there but I do live in Florida and its always a possibility.


correct...you don't own it 'till you own it...
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695. Floodman 18:48 GMT le 12 août 2009    
670. WeatherStudent



what does that all eman, adrian. you're scaring me.

It means that the wave behind TD 2 is likely to become a TS or better by the time it reaches the lesser Antilles, posing a possible threat later in the period to the lower eastern seaboard, CONUS.

Breathe, son...this isn't your first rodeo so please stop acting like a child...

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696. hurricanehanna 18:48 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting WeatherStudent:


what does that all eman, adrian. you're scaring me.


It means stockpile the beer and ping pong balls!
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697. Stormchaser2007 18:49 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Some people are being way to Bullish on the 'Bill' wave.

Its very large and will take some time to develop a surface low. It wont pull a Gustav and develop one in 3 hours. Give it 24-36 hours.

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698. futuremet 18:49 GMT le 12 août 2009    
I highly doubt the CMC's forecast is correct, Ana would be too far west.
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699. Stormchaser2007 18:49 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting CycloneOz:


Wow...


Regarding?
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700. CaneWarning 18:49 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting fire635:
Can anyone answer this question? I currently am building a house. We have not closed on it (it wont be complete till October) If a hurricane were to come and destroy it, am I correct that I would NOT be liable for the damages? Would they just start over? Obviously the systems are WAYYYYY out there but I do live in Florida and its always a possibility.


The builder should have his own insurance on it. It's not yours until you take title.
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