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TD 2 struggling; new African wave bears watching
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 14:19 GMT le 12 août 2009 +2
Tropical Depression Two is struggling. The depression still has a good chance of becoming the Atlantic hurricane season's first named storm this week, but the dry, Saharan air that surrounds the storm, combined with moderately high levels of wind shear, are interfering with the storm's organization. Satellite loops of the storm show that heavy thunderstorm activity is limited to the west side of the depression. This is due to strong winds out of the southeast that are creating a moderate 15 - 20 knots of wind shear. The intensity and coverage of these thunderstorms is meager, thanks to the large amount of dry air to TD 2's north that is getting wrapped into the circulation. This morning's QuikSCAT pass showed a well-formed surface circulation, with top winds of about 30 - 35 mph.

Wind shear over TD 2 is expected to remain in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next five days. Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are a marginal 26 - 27°C, and will not change much over the next three days. There is plenty of dry, stable air from the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) to to TD 2's north that will continue to cause the storm problems. The relatively cool SSTs and dry air mean that TD 2 will not be able to intensify quickly. However, it does appear likely that TD 2 has enough going for it that it will eventually be able to become Tropical Storm Ana sometime in the next three days. Most of the computer models show some weak development, but none of them predict TD 2 will become a hurricane. It is unusual for storms forming this far north to make it all the way across the Atlantic to hit the Lesser Antilles Islands. For now, TD 2 doesn't concern me as much as the new tropical wave to its southeast, just off the coast of Africa.


Figure 1. Tropical Depression Two (left center of image) and a new tropical wave (right side of image), newly emerged from the coast of Africa.

Elsewhere in the Atlantic
A strong tropical wave with some rotation and plenty of heavy thunderstorm activity left the coast of Africa yesterday, and is located a few hundred miles south of the Cape Verdes Islands. The GFS and ECMWF models continue to predict the development of this wave late this week. Both of these models indicate that the wave would track further south than Tropical Depression Two, and could impact the Lesser Antilles Islands in about seven days. This storm bears close attention over the coming days.

Two other tropical waves, one that just passed through the Lesser Antilles Islands, and one about 300 miles east of the islands, are mentioned in NHC's Graphical Tropical Weather Outlook. Both of these waves have very limited heavy thunderstorm activity that is not increasing, and are not a threat to develop over the next two days. None of the computer models develop either of these waves.

Felicia moves through Hawaiian Islands as a tropical depression
Tropical Storm Felicia weakened to a tropical depression before passing through the Hawaiian Islands yesterday. The storm brought scattered heavy rains of 1 - 2 inches to the islands, and no damage was reported. Felicia is only the 10th tropical cyclone of tropical depression strength or higher to hit the islands since 1950. Four other tropical cyclones have passed within 75 miles of the islands during that time period.

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I'll have an update Thursday morning.

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1401. HurricaneKyle 21:33 GMT le 12 août 2009    
StormW btw I'd like to say great update today really informative! Same with you 456!
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1402. atmoaggie 21:34 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:
Anyone know what the NAM uses for its boundry conditions?

According to the COMET module here: http://www.meted.ucar.edu/nwp/pcu2/namdom3.htm it uses a previous GFS forecast (obviously does not wait for GFS to finish the current one).

"Generally, in the NAM WRF-NMM Model, the values of T, q, u, and v are prescribed along the outer two rows of grid points. The values at these points are never modified by the model predictive equations, but rather are updated from an earlier GFS model run."

So, this, to me, means that 0 Z NAM uses the 18 Z GFS for boundary conditions and the 12 Z NAM uses GFS 06 Z...yeesh. Could that be true? No wonder I refer to NAM as little as possible.
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1403. palmbaywhoo 21:34 GMT le 12 août 2009    
did burnedafterposting go back to school or something?
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1404. Hhunter 21:35 GMT le 12 août 2009    
well i guess i just should have read Storm W blog first. He covered all my areas of inquiry.
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1405. HurricaneKyle 21:35 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting polarcane:
shoot you impress me and I am twice your age!


Haha thank you so much!
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1406. JLPR 21:35 GMT le 12 août 2009    
I have nothing to post so I will post this XD



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1407. IKE 21:36 GMT le 12 août 2009    
TD2.....

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1408. serialteg 21:36 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting StormW:


From my morning synopsis:

Based on analysis of the current run of the Real Time shear map from CIMSS, and 00Z CMC, 00Z and 06Z run of the GFS shear forecast, the depression could encounter a slight increase in shear, however indications right now are that the upper level environment returns to a more conducive state within the next 60-72 hours.

Shear, by definition is the change in direction and or speed of the wind with height. What we look for is winds mostly out of the west, SW, NW...with the speed contours that you see in yellow on the shear map. We look for winds around 20 kts and above, which will shear the tops off the thunderstorms (convection). Easterly shear is not as bad, but will still tilt a storm if strong enough, hampering its ability to develop slightly.


Thanks Storm, I read your blog this morning! I guess I was puzzled because I remember the NHC or Jeff Masters calling for favorable shear on the storm for a while now. Thank you for answering!
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1409. hurristat 21:36 GMT le 12 août 2009    
LOL this is from the list of WunderBlogs

Skyepony Blobs Galore 44 0 8 hours ago -61 second ago
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1410. HurricaneKyle 21:38 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting IKE:
TD2.....



Not looking that impressive, shear and dry are penetrating the system pretty harsh right now. Durinal Minimum isn't helping TD-2 either.

Wouldn't be all that shocking if TD-2 didn't amount to more than a 45 MPH system although I do think TD-2 will be named.
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1411. TampaSpin 21:38 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting WeatherStudent:


afternoon tim


Hi WeatherStudent......

BBL watching the rest of the RAYS game....LOL
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1412. Hhunter 21:39 GMT le 12 août 2009    
anyone know of a decent online meteorology program?
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1414. OhioCanes1667 21:40 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting CybrTeddy:
You guys don't have to post 0-0-0 every other post btw. Gets kind of annoying after a while, we realize there hasn't been a named storm since November 2008. But that's going to change soon, either TD2 or the wave off Africa will bring in Ana.


0-0-0
1415. TerraNova 21:40 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Here's a nice AQUA-MODIS image from not too long ago of TD2. You can clearly see the partially exposed core. (full sized image)

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1416. mobilegirl81 21:40 GMT le 12 août 2009    
I'd put more money on a potential gulf system than a system 1000 miles away.
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1417. nrtiwlnvragn 21:40 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting atmoaggie:

According to the COMET module here: http://www.meted.ucar.edu/nwp/pcu2/namdom3.htm it uses a previous GFS forecast (obviously does not wait for GFS to finish the current one).

"Generally, in the NAM WRF-NMM Model, the values of T, q, u, and v are prescribed along the outer two rows of grid points. The values at these points are never modified by the model predictive equations, but rather are updated from an earlier GFS model run."

So, this, to me, means that 0 Z NAM uses the 18 Z GFS for boundary conditions and the 12 Z NAM uses GFS 06 Z...yeesh. Could that be true? No wonder I refer to NAM as little as possible.


Thanks, thats what was I was thinking. I was looking at the 18Z NAM for today and it brought a disturbance into its domain from the Atlantic. I looked at the previous GFS to see if it could be passing it into the NAM, but the timing did not make sense.
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1418. Seflhurricane 21:40 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting StormW:


this stormno dude is like your dark side LOL
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1419. jurakantaino 21:41 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting TerraNova:
Woah....

Ana been eaten by Bill? WOw!!!
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1420. hurristat 21:41 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting HurricaneKyle:


Not looking that impressive, shear and dry are penetrating the system pretty harsh right now. Durinal Minimum isn't helping TD-2 either.

Wouldn't be all that shocking if TD-2 didn't amount to more than a 45 MPH system although I do think TD-2 will be named.


Usually, 45 mph storms are named.
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1421. KimberlyB 21:41 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Thank you StormW for iterating to me the importance of not drinking pop when reading this blog.

Off to clean my monitor now.
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1422. Hhunter 21:42 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting mobilegirl81:
I'd put more money on a potential gulf system than a system 1000 miles away.


what's the bet.....
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1423. atmoaggie 21:42 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting Hhunter:
anyone know of a decent online meteorology program?

This is the one: http://www.meted.ucar.edu/
Entirely written and built by professionals and university profs. Also free.
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1424. mobilegirl81 21:42 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Hey stormW! Have I missed something while I was gone?
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1425. OSUWXGUY 21:43 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting atmoaggie:br this, to me, means that 0 Z NAM uses the 18 Z GFS for boundary conditions and the 12 Z NAM uses GFS 06 Z...yeesh. Could that be true? No wonder I refer to NAM as little as possible.


That is crazy. When he posed the question I had googled it and saw the same presentation from UCAR...but didn't bother signing up to see it.

Now I'm confused. I thought for sure the NAM assimilates satellite and radar data???

How would old GFS boundary conditions blend with this new data?

Obviously they have to interpolate to a finer grid in the NAM anyways...but still...
1426. Autistic2 21:43 GMT le 12 août 2009    
How big of seas does a cat five stom make in the open ocean?
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1427. FLHurricaneChaser 21:43 GMT le 12 août 2009    
18z GFS is running..
1428. hurristat 21:43 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting TerraNova:
Here's a nice AQUA-MODIS image from not too long ago of TD2. You can clearly see the partially exposed core. (full sized image)



I always think that the lines of clouds emanating from a slightly sheared storm make it prettier
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1429. TerraNova 21:43 GMT le 12 août 2009    
18z GFS intialized with a 1011 mb low pressure center south of Cape Verde.
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1430. HurricaneKyle 21:43 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Im surprised this area hasn't been mentioned that much. SST's are VERY warm where this is, perhaps some of the warmest on the planet.


Correct me if Im wrong, but is that a surface trough in the GOMEX?
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1431. mossyhead 21:44 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting StormW:



thanks stormw, this was so funny....
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1433. atmoaggie 21:44 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting hurristat:
LOL this is from the list of WunderBlogs

Skyepony Blobs Galore 44 0 8 hours ago -61 second ago

Watch out for that Skye, she controls time! Do not make her angry!
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1434. reedzone 21:44 GMT le 12 août 2009    
The 18Z GFS believes a low has formed already..

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1436. mobilegirl81 21:45 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Because HHunter, its the only game in the backyard.
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1437. Stoopid1 21:45 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Remember this little number?



How was that for naming denial craziness?

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1438. mossyhead 21:45 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting mossyhead:

thanks stormw, this was so funny....

i was talking about the fruitcake..lol
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1439. polarcane 21:45 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting mobilegirl81:
I'd put more money on a potential gulf system than a system 1000 miles away.
We might have another Alicia or Humberto on our hands. Nothing like going to bed and waking up to a Cat 1 knocking on the door!
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1442. Hhunter 21:46 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting atmoaggie:

This is the one: http://www.meted.ucar.edu/
Entirely written and built by professionals and university profs. Also free.


other than for my information is it anything i can get creditialed or degreed out of? I suspecting free means no. But i appreciate the info greatly. Working a full time job and interested in going back and doing what i should have done.
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1443. TerraNova 21:48 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Pretty soon we'll have the 18z Tropical Surface Analysis from NHC/TAFB to compare the GFS intialization with.
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1444. atmoaggie 21:47 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting OSUWXGUY:


That is crazy. When he posed the question I had googled it and saw the same presentation from UCAR...but didn't bother signing up to see it.

Now I'm confused. I thought for sure the NAM assimilates satellite and radar data???

How would old GFS boundary conditions blend with this new data?

Obviously they have to interpolate to a finer grid in the NAM anyways...but still...


I would imagine there is plenty of MADIS and satellite profile assimilation, but still...seems goofy. But what do you do if you need global model boundary conditions and cannot wait for GFS's assimilation period?

In our shop, we wait for it just like everyone else (like GFDL)...except NAM.
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1445. hurristat 21:47 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting Stoopid1:
Remember this little number?



How was that for naming denial craziness?



That is at least a subtropical storm.
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1446. serialteg 21:47 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting atmoaggie:

This is the one: http://www.meted.ucar.edu/
Entirely written and built by professionals and university profs. Also free.


omg omg omg

is this for real?

i hope this is what it looks like... real quality education for free...

if it is, this truly is the future
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1447. Skyepony (Mod) 21:47 GMT le 12 août 2009    
TD2 Looking terribly detatched now. The low swirl heading maybe a hair north of west, top shoved to the SW. It's begging for dark, cool, unstable air. The sun has just set.

12Z Models really trending toward what I went into late lastnight about TD2 possibly getting wrapped together with the big blob behind it.

Today's rgb loop~ the exposed low level clouds (the yellow ones) to the north & east~ rushing out like an outflow boundry. Taking some brutal shear.
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1448. mobilegirl81 21:48 GMT le 12 août 2009    
I've got your back stormW. Must be a young kid to be that disrespectful.
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1449. FirstCoastMan 21:49 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Does anyone have the link for the 18z gfs...TIA
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1450. polarcane 21:49 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting HurricaneKyle:
Im surprised this area hasn't been mentioned that much. SST's are VERY warm where this is, perhaps some of the warmest on the planet.


Correct me if Im wrong, but is that a surface trough in the GOMEX?
I think you are correct
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