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TD 2 struggling; new African wave bears watching
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 14:19 GMT le 12 août 2009 +2
Tropical Depression Two is struggling. The depression still has a good chance of becoming the Atlantic hurricane season's first named storm this week, but the dry, Saharan air that surrounds the storm, combined with moderately high levels of wind shear, are interfering with the storm's organization. Satellite loops of the storm show that heavy thunderstorm activity is limited to the west side of the depression. This is due to strong winds out of the southeast that are creating a moderate 15 - 20 knots of wind shear. The intensity and coverage of these thunderstorms is meager, thanks to the large amount of dry air to TD 2's north that is getting wrapped into the circulation. This morning's QuikSCAT pass showed a well-formed surface circulation, with top winds of about 30 - 35 mph.

Wind shear over TD 2 is expected to remain in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next five days. Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are a marginal 26 - 27°C, and will not change much over the next three days. There is plenty of dry, stable air from the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) to to TD 2's north that will continue to cause the storm problems. The relatively cool SSTs and dry air mean that TD 2 will not be able to intensify quickly. However, it does appear likely that TD 2 has enough going for it that it will eventually be able to become Tropical Storm Ana sometime in the next three days. Most of the computer models show some weak development, but none of them predict TD 2 will become a hurricane. It is unusual for storms forming this far north to make it all the way across the Atlantic to hit the Lesser Antilles Islands. For now, TD 2 doesn't concern me as much as the new tropical wave to its southeast, just off the coast of Africa.


Figure 1. Tropical Depression Two (left center of image) and a new tropical wave (right side of image), newly emerged from the coast of Africa.

Elsewhere in the Atlantic
A strong tropical wave with some rotation and plenty of heavy thunderstorm activity left the coast of Africa yesterday, and is located a few hundred miles south of the Cape Verdes Islands. The GFS and ECMWF models continue to predict the development of this wave late this week. Both of these models indicate that the wave would track further south than Tropical Depression Two, and could impact the Lesser Antilles Islands in about seven days. This storm bears close attention over the coming days.

Two other tropical waves, one that just passed through the Lesser Antilles Islands, and one about 300 miles east of the islands, are mentioned in NHC's Graphical Tropical Weather Outlook. Both of these waves have very limited heavy thunderstorm activity that is not increasing, and are not a threat to develop over the next two days. None of the computer models develop either of these waves.

Felicia moves through Hawaiian Islands as a tropical depression
Tropical Storm Felicia weakened to a tropical depression before passing through the Hawaiian Islands yesterday. The storm brought scattered heavy rains of 1 - 2 inches to the islands, and no damage was reported. Felicia is only the 10th tropical cyclone of tropical depression strength or higher to hit the islands since 1950. Four other tropical cyclones have passed within 75 miles of the islands during that time period.

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2001. duprk452 01:27 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting popartpete:
Yes, the 29th. I was taking a guess...very close, from memory alone! I knew it was around that date, and earlier in the blog, someone, perhaps maybe you, posted that it was the 29th when the eye hit. Whatever the date, it was a dark day on the Gulf Coast! Thanks.


yeah no problem.. i'll never forget that day.. woke up with a very large tree extremely close to me! too close for comfort that is!
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2002. Relix 01:27 GMT le 13 août 2009    
TD2 is dying and its just a baby =(. Sad to see it so ragged and destroyed in a way.... nothing to track now though. The bill (or Ana?) wave is looking as bad at ATM. Oh well.
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2003. PcolaDan 01:27 GMT le 13 août 2009    
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2004. Elena85Vet 01:28 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting louisianaboy444:
Worst case scenario is a storm coming up Vermilliion Bay here in South Louisiana some of the hottest waters in the world are there...


Not to be picky, but it's the N.E. quadrant you don't want plowing thru there. It was the N.E. quadrant of Katrina that dealt the slosh into Pontchartrain and S. Mississippi.
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2005. extreme236 01:28 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting hunkerdown:
call me a naysayer but don't buy into that...way too many variables to make parallel comparisons.


Of course there are variables but there are variables all the time. I was just giving an example of another storm that is undergoing a similar problem. Not saying it will turn out the same way.
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2006. TampaSpin 01:29 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Hi Baja
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2007. popartpete 01:29 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting presslord:



go ahead and laugh...but it's a solemn tradition on this blog...Ain't it Taz?
Oh yes, I know it is. I just think the phrase is funny every time I see it. Also funny to me: remnants of Karen, fish storm, Cat 5 hitting Florida and some more I can't think of right now. Not only is this blog informational, it is entertaining at times as well! Thanks!!!
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2008. hunkerdown 01:29 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting extreme236:


Of course there are variables but there are variables all the time. I was just giving an example of another storm that is undergoing a similar problem. Not saying it will turn out the same way.
no attack meant, was just giving my opinion.
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2009. BajaALemt 01:30 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Hey ((( Tim ))) How ya doin down there?
2010. kmanislander 01:30 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Actually we should all be grateful that so far there have been no threats to land.

A couple of years ago we had to evacuate thousands from here twice in July alone due to the threat of major hurricanes barreling through the Caribbean early in the season.

You won't hear me complain about TD's that don't develop !
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2011. hydrus 01:30 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting Patrap:
Katrina Made Landfall the Morning of the 29th of August,NOLA at 0515 CST the Eyewall struck proper


PATRAP-Looking at that radar loop it looks as if the deep red echoes were becoming more numerous around the eye wall as it was crossing the extreme southern tip of LA and into the Lake ponchartrain area and points northward.My question is exactly what were the sustained winds at the time of landfall and how fast were the strongest gusts?
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2012. Elena85Vet 01:30 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting kmanislander:


I do know what you mean. A more moist environment, a larger circulation, lower latitude and thus warmer SST etc.

TD2 never did impress me much and while it may still mount a challenge it is looking increasingly sheared. SST where it is is marginal at best leaving it with little to fight off the upper level winds and a dry environment to the N.

The odds of survival look to be less than 50%.

From this morning I doubted it would be classified as a TS with the COC so far displaced to the NE and said as much. It just never had the organization to be able to hold its own and was too small in size to fight off the elements.

Of course, after saying all this I might wake up to a monster in the morning LOL


I can save TD2. All I need to do is write it off.
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2013. Patrap 01:30 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting adjusterx:

Still wandering if your post 1891 is a Bird of Prey or just Dust in the Wind.



Interesting,..



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2014. louisianaboy444 01:31 GMT le 13 août 2009    
man nothing threatening this year....the poptart company will take it hit
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2015. CaneWarning 01:31 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Did a lot of people get banned? The blog is fairly quiet.
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2016. STORMMASTERG 01:31 GMT le 13 août 2009    
The wave of africa has a well defined circulation.Once tstms form this will become the main system.
2017. extreme236 01:32 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting hunkerdown:
no attack meant, was just giving my opinion.


Oh I know it wasn't an attack lol...I was just kinda restating what I said to make sure it was made clear I wasn't saying it would happen that way.
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2018. Patrap 01:33 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting hydrus:
PATRAP-Looking at that radar loop it look as if the deep red echoes were becoming more numerous around the eye wall as it was crossing the extreme southern tip of LA and into the Lake ponchartrain and points northward.My question is exactly what were the sustained winds at the time of landfall and how fast were the strongest gusts?


Thats a Hard one to answer as ones Location to the Eye would determine that. But at Bucktown near the 17th St. Canal where I was ,..we Had Sustained at 100-110,with gust to 120--130 at Peak..but I was in the western Eyewall fo 8 hours approx.
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2019. PcolaDan 01:33 GMT le 13 août 2009    
-----Convection________CoC-----


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2020. palmpt 01:34 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Funny! Very funny.
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2021. clwstmchasr 01:34 GMT le 13 août 2009    
extreme236 9:23 PM EDT on August 12, 2009
Although TD2 looks pathetic right now, I have found a decent analog for this storm...take a look back at Hurricane Irene in 2005. Took it 12 advisories to become a tropical storm and underwent similar adverse conditions that TD2 is undergoing


But did it have much larger system to contend with as TD2 does?
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2022. TerraNova 01:34 GMT le 13 août 2009    
It looks like 02's circulation has become slightly elongated NW to SE, at least that's what I see on this QS pass.

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2023. hunkerdown 01:35 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting PcolaDan:
quick, cover the children's eyes...shes naked !
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2024. zoomiami 01:35 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting BajaALemt:
Evenin folks...

If I had to give TD2 a name (at the moment)...it'd be.......RAGGEDY ANA *smiles*


I love it --- Hey Baja good to see you
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2025. Patrap 01:35 GMT le 13 août 2009    
My Zone Alarm Firewall just Lit up Like a Xmas tree. Be careful here.

Anyone else get a warning last 2 min..?
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2026. popartpete 01:35 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting BajaALemt:
Evenin folks...

If I had to give TD2 a name (at the moment)...it'd be.......RAGGEDY ANA *smiles*
Raggedy Ana..love it. It's a rainy night in Jersey, and I am chasing the tropical weather dragon! TWC on, and the blog, naturally. Watching Cantore and Steele...I haven't watched in a while but what happened to Abrams and Bettes?
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2027. futuremet 01:35 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting LPStormspotter:


hey future,
what are your thoughts on the wave behind td2
thanks


The wave behind TD2 will inevitably develop into a tropical cyclone and maybe even into an incredibly strong as most of the modes suggest. Due to the fact it is developing at a lower latitude than TD2, it will reasonably take a track further south--a track that would put the Antilles and Puerto Rico at risk by next Tuesday. After this, the complication begins. By next Wednesday, a longwave trough is expected to move across the U.S. into the eastern seaboard. Depending on the timing and strength of the trough, this time may either: go out to sea, hit SE U.S, or miss the trough and move into the GOM.
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2028. extreme236 01:35 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting clwstmchasr:
extreme236 9:23 PM EDT on August 12, 2009
Although TD2 looks pathetic right now, I have found a decent analog for this storm...take a look back at Hurricane Irene in 2005. Took it 12 advisories to become a tropical storm and underwent similar adverse conditions that TD2 is undergoing


But did it have much larger system to contend with as TD2 does?


No, that is one of those variables. I'd like to see this wave develop more before I say its gonna cause TD 2 to die out.
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2029. CaicosRetiredSailor 01:36 GMT le 13 août 2009    
2013.
Quoting Patrap:


Pat...

I thought you were going to keep that thing off of me!

No spinning here please.

CRS
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2030. mobilegirl81 01:36 GMT le 13 août 2009    
30th anniverary of Hurricane Frederic Sept 12, 1979-2009. Took 6 hours to Mobile, AL from Gulfport, MS.
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2031. PELLSPROG 01:37 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Yes Patrap, our local channel has a red circle on it .
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2032. hunkerdown 01:37 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting futuremet:


The wave behind TD2 will inevitably develop into a tropical cyclone and maybe even into an incredibly strong as most of the modes suggest. Due to the fact it is developing at a lower latitude than TD2, it will reasonably take a track further south--a track that would put the Antilles and Puerto Rico at risk by next Tuesday. After this, the complication begins. By next Wednesday, a longwave trough is expected to move across the U.S. into the eastern seaboard. Depending on the timing and strength of the trough, this time may either: go out to sea, hit Florida, or miss the trough and move into the GOM.
I see you are confident with your prediction :)
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2033. IKE 01:37 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting popartpete:
I agree that the southern, eastern, larger wave off of the coast of Africa is paltry, but it still looks viable to me. Imagine if both these two are duds, I will laugh. I long for the days of John Hope. Best to you.


If the one off of the African coast fizzles out....I'll be totally shocked.

Still looks like some of the clouds south of what's left of TD 2 are being drawn into that large circulation.
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2034. mobilegirl81 01:38 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Pretty much leap frogged into town because of trees down.
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2035. TerraNova 01:38 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting Patrap:
My Zone Alarm Firewall just Lit up Like a Xmas tree. Be careful here.

Anyone else get a warning last 2 min..?


No but this page has been randomly freezing my browser sometimes today. It's just the Doctor's blog, not the rest of WU.
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2036. kmanislander 01:39 GMT le 13 août 2009    
I'm out for tonight. Not much to watch so will be back tomorrow.

G'nite all
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2037. alaina1085 01:39 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting Patrap:
My Zone Alarm Firewall just Lit uo Like a Xmas tree. Be careful here.

Anyone else get a warning last 2 min..?


None so far.
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2038. FloridaTigers 01:40 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Bleh, I'm tired of tracking blobs. Give me a storm already :(
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2039. futuremet 01:40 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting hunkerdown:
I see you are confident with your prediction :)


Yup, I am. These are the three most likely scenario right now, but one of them has the least chance of occurring.
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2041. BajaALemt 01:40 GMT le 13 août 2009    
((( Zooooooo !!! )))) GREAT to see you!!!!

Gosh, Pete...send some of that rain down this way! We had a nice bunch of rain down this way that split right before it got here...seems to be the norm here this year *sighs*
2042. Elena85Vet 01:42 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting mobilegirl81:
30th anniverary of Hurricane Frederic Sept 12, 1979-2009. Took 6 hours to Mobile, AL from Gulfport, MS.


Frederic, another bridge basher.
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2043. reedzone 01:41 GMT le 13 août 2009    
I made a map showing all the model tracks for the "Potential" Hurricane coming up. It has..
GFS 12Z and 18Z runs, 12Z EURO, 12Z UKMET, and 18Z GFDL which is seen on TD2s forecast.

Photobucket
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2044. popartpete 01:42 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting Patrap:



Interesting,..



It looks like the Caribbean wave might have a chance when it reaches the ocean. I think that's why the NHC moved the yellow circle upwards. Let's wait and see! The only thing that we can be certain upon with tropical weather and this blog is that everything is uncertain...does that sound cliche. I think it might.
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2045. BILOXISAINT2 01:42 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting Elena85Vet:


Not to be picky, but it's the N.E. quadrant you don't want plowing thru there. It was the N.E. quadrant of Katrina that dealt the slosh into Pontchartrain and S. Mississippi.
NE Quadrant was east of Ponchartrain
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2046. TampaSpin 01:42 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting BajaALemt:
Hey ((( Tim ))) How ya doin down there?


Lynn its been hot as hell......84deg now at 9:45pm
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2047. alaina1085 01:43 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting reedzone:
I made a map showing all the model tracks for the "Potential" Hurricane coming up. It has..
GFS 12Z and 18Z runs, 12Z EURO, 12Z UKMET, and 18Z GFDL which is seen on TD2s forecast.

Photobucket


Thanks, this is cool to see. Hope the GFS is wrong!
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2048. mobilegirl81 01:43 GMT le 13 août 2009    
I remember Elena. Heck of a storm to watch. Stayed up all night watching it on the weather channel. Hit my Grandmother's house in Gulport, MS.
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2049. IKE 01:44 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting KerryInNOLA:
We have analyzed today's data and model runs and forecast TD 2 to not develop beyond TS status as it curves out to sea. Furthermore, our models are indicating "TD 3" will be influenced by a trough around 65-70W and begin a curve to the north. Currently it is uncertin if this northward curve will happen soon enough to cause the possible hurricane to return harmlessly to sea. Current analysis points to a 25-35% chance for the storm to touch the US mainland . The cone of uncertainty currently is rather large. The storm may also encounter significant wind shear as it approaches the Antilles. Citizens taking their vacations along the Gulf Coast this weekend can rest assure that there will be no threats.Some on this blog have been forecasting a tropical system in the Gulf. Our analysis does not point to this happening and those planning Gulf Coast vacations should not alter their plans. But as the gloom and doom crowd would say "Keep your guard up", whatever that means.


So much for your statement yesterday of "no other threat areas in the Atlantic."....besides TD2.
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2050. missmaxi 01:45 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Futuremet, which scenario has the least likely chance to occur?
Going into the gulf?
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2051. TampaSpin 01:45 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting alaina1085:


Thanks, this is cool to see. Hope the GFS is wrong!


Alaina lets hope so.
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