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TD 2 struggling; new African wave bears watching
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 14:19 GMT le 12 août 2009 +2
Tropical Depression Two is struggling. The depression still has a good chance of becoming the Atlantic hurricane season's first named storm this week, but the dry, Saharan air that surrounds the storm, combined with moderately high levels of wind shear, are interfering with the storm's organization. Satellite loops of the storm show that heavy thunderstorm activity is limited to the west side of the depression. This is due to strong winds out of the southeast that are creating a moderate 15 - 20 knots of wind shear. The intensity and coverage of these thunderstorms is meager, thanks to the large amount of dry air to TD 2's north that is getting wrapped into the circulation. This morning's QuikSCAT pass showed a well-formed surface circulation, with top winds of about 30 - 35 mph.

Wind shear over TD 2 is expected to remain in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next five days. Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are a marginal 26 - 27°C, and will not change much over the next three days. There is plenty of dry, stable air from the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) to to TD 2's north that will continue to cause the storm problems. The relatively cool SSTs and dry air mean that TD 2 will not be able to intensify quickly. However, it does appear likely that TD 2 has enough going for it that it will eventually be able to become Tropical Storm Ana sometime in the next three days. Most of the computer models show some weak development, but none of them predict TD 2 will become a hurricane. It is unusual for storms forming this far north to make it all the way across the Atlantic to hit the Lesser Antilles Islands. For now, TD 2 doesn't concern me as much as the new tropical wave to its southeast, just off the coast of Africa.


Figure 1. Tropical Depression Two (left center of image) and a new tropical wave (right side of image), newly emerged from the coast of Africa.

Elsewhere in the Atlantic
A strong tropical wave with some rotation and plenty of heavy thunderstorm activity left the coast of Africa yesterday, and is located a few hundred miles south of the Cape Verdes Islands. The GFS and ECMWF models continue to predict the development of this wave late this week. Both of these models indicate that the wave would track further south than Tropical Depression Two, and could impact the Lesser Antilles Islands in about seven days. This storm bears close attention over the coming days.

Two other tropical waves, one that just passed through the Lesser Antilles Islands, and one about 300 miles east of the islands, are mentioned in NHC's Graphical Tropical Weather Outlook. Both of these waves have very limited heavy thunderstorm activity that is not increasing, and are not a threat to develop over the next two days. None of the computer models develop either of these waves.

Felicia moves through Hawaiian Islands as a tropical depression
Tropical Storm Felicia weakened to a tropical depression before passing through the Hawaiian Islands yesterday. The storm brought scattered heavy rains of 1 - 2 inches to the islands, and no damage was reported. Felicia is only the 10th tropical cyclone of tropical depression strength or higher to hit the islands since 1950. Four other tropical cyclones have passed within 75 miles of the islands during that time period.

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I'll have an update Thursday morning.

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202. Progster 15:19 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting SomeRandomTexan:


something to watch.. But I as of now I am not going to worry about such a long range model when there isn't even a seed there to initiate it...


There's a great circulation and plenty of convection south of Cozumel...but its got to make it over the Yucatan first...
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203. hurricanehanna 15:19 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting Patrap:



Im not the IT guy,but from what I understand it fractured the Actual data processing to a point that well,info and data wont route correctly I believe,but my File and photos were retrieved.
And Luckily I ran a disc recently that downloaded all my Katrina,Ike relief pics and other stuff.

Glad you didn't lose that stuff
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204. Michfan 15:21 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting TerraNova:
I'd wait for more model runs from CMC and support from other models...


In regards to A or B? B has a ton of model support beginning with yesterday. Its why most of the local Florida mets are all over it. Most of the major global models are all over it and coincide in intensity, albeit some of them aren't so good at that such as the GFS.
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205. CycloneOz 15:21 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting P451:
21 Hrs - IR and WV - "Africa Bill" - ending 14Z






Those are great image loops 451!

It sure is trying to get on the whirly-gig!

Man, look at that footprint it has! I wonder what it will do when it spins down...
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206. slavp 15:22 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting Michfan:


In regards to A or B? B has a ton of model support beginning with yesterday. Its why most of the local Florida mets are all over it. Most of the major global models are all over it and coincide in intensity, albeit some of them aren't so good at that such as the GFS.
Talking about 6 days out...Something in GOM near TX/LA coast
207. palmbaywhoo 15:24 GMT le 12 août 2009    
dont let the size of the african wave fool you. our disturbance was plenty big when it came off the coast, in time it will consolidate to a more reasonable size with much of the storm dissipating during dmin
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208. hurricanejunky 15:23 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:
Big ol' Bill is working down on tight little Ana cleaning out all her moisture and expanding his circulation all over her.

(Nelly starts playing) "It's getting hot in here..."
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209. redwagon 15:23 GMT le 12 août 2009    
This isn't the CMC doing Cgenesis: the wave it's developing has been with us for 8 days. We used to call it 45, 50, 53, etc, remember?

It's just gone into stealth mode but never went away.
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210. Patrap 15:24 GMT le 12 août 2009    
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211. caneswatch 15:24 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting hurricanejunky:

(Nelly starts playing) "It's getting hot in here..."


LOL
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212. stoormfury 15:24 GMT le 12 août 2009    
DRAK
your post 150 of the cyclone phase shows extreme trouble fot the lesser antilles. how soon can we expect this to be in the vicinity of the islands
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213. WxLogic 15:25 GMT le 12 août 2009    
TD#2 Starting to consolidate better and getting some convection to start wrapping around it.
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214. TerraNova 15:26 GMT le 12 août 2009    
201. P451 3:19 PM GMT on August 12, 2009

It definitely has a mid-level circulation and it's got the surrounding moisture rolling as well as good potential vorticity at the surface. We should see a low level center forming somewhere between those two blobs of convection throughout today and tomorrow.
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215. CycloneOz 15:26 GMT le 12 août 2009    
That's a GREAT animation, Pat!

Look at little TD#2 pushin' it's way through that dry air mass.

Man, I've wanted to do that so many times as I waited in line in Wal-Mart, I can't tell ya! :)
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216. nrtiwlnvragn 15:27 GMT le 12 août 2009    
New TD in the East Pacific

EP 10 2009081212 BEST 0 150N 1156W 30 1006 TD
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217. wunderkidcayman 15:27 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting Patrap:
PRE-ANA IS PUSHING THE DRY AIR AWAY
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219. TerraNova 15:27 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting Michfan:


In regards to A or B? B has a ton of model support beginning with yesterday. Its why most of the local Florida mets are all over it. Most of the major global models are all over it and coincide in intensity, albeit some of them aren't so good at that such as the GFS.


Neither...CMC is showing a system in the Gulf in the mid range which has no support from any other model as of yet.
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220. hurricanehanna 15:27 GMT le 12 août 2009    
CMC is showing TX/LA storm in 6 days.
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221. CaneWarning 15:29 GMT le 12 août 2009    
I must not be looking at the NAM correctly because the storm I see on there is very weak and not well organized.
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222. CycloneOz 15:29 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting P451:
TD2 - 4 hour VIS Loop - ending 1445Z

Convection trying to build over the LLC in the final frames.



Wow...another great animation.

You can clearly see the exposed CoC.

very awesome.
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225. mobilegirl81 15:30 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Could be looking at a gulf of mexico storm 6-10 days from now.
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226. Michfan 15:30 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting slavp:
Talking about 6 days out...Something in GOM near TX/LA coast


Yeah that one needs alot more model support to even be discussed at this point.
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227. AussieStorm 15:31 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting TankHead93:
Can someone kindly tell me how to get to the TCHP on google earth? Greatly appreciated! ;)

TCHP Google Earth Link at bottom of page
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228. WxLogic 15:31 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting CaneWarning:
I must not be looking at the NAM correctly because the storm I see on there is very weak and not well organized.


Well... NAM is not really depicting a storm... but an organized disturb region. It could be the genesis focus for something to develop down the road as it enters the GOM if it maintains enough energy after traversing through the Greater Antilles and Cuba.
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229. slavp 15:31 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting Michfan:


Yeah that one needs alot more model support to even be discussed at this point.
Agreed
230. mobilegirl81 15:32 GMT le 12 août 2009    
NOAA is also putting strong tropical wave into the central gulf coast by monday or tuesday, they advise to stay tuned that the situation is being monitered.
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231. TerraNova 15:32 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting CaneWarning:
I must not be looking at the NAM correctly because the storm I see on there is very weak and not well organized.


Be careful with the NAM in regards to the tropics; it's a mesoscale model with parameters that weren't really designed to handle the genesis of tropical systems. That's a general rule-of-thumb through, it's been correct on some situations.
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232. presslord 15:32 GMT le 12 août 2009    
it may be a bit early for anA's wake...
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233. TheCaneWhisperer 15:33 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting P451:
TD2 - 4 hour VIS Loop - ending 1445Z

Convection trying to build over the LLC in the final frames.



Finally starting to look Tropical Stormish.
234. ALCoastGambler 15:34 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Good morning everyone. Patrap sent you WU mail. When you get a chance...TIA
235. TerraNova 15:35 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting mobilegirl81:
NOAA is also putting strong tropical wave into the central gulf coast by monday or tuesday, they advise to stay tuned that the situation is being monitered.


While CMC is the only model that develops that wave into anything signifcant, most other models (ECMWF, GFS, NOGAPS) are showing a surge of moisture with that wave into the GOM. A lot of the NWS offices are reflecting that in their forecasts.
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236. TheCaneWhisperer 15:35 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting caneluver:


That has to be one of the biggest circulations I have ever witnessed. WOW this thing "Ana or Bill" is going to be a whopper.


Large circulations such as this thrive because it will act as a shield to the consolidating LLC, protecting it from shear and dry air.
237. Patrap 15:36 GMT le 12 août 2009    
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238. mobilegirl81 15:37 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Yea, I read it on the marine weather synopsis.
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239. jeffs713 15:38 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting TheCaneWhisperer:


Large circulations such as this thrive because it will act as a shield to the consolidating LLC, protecting it from shear and dry air.

They also take longer to spin up - more mass to move around.
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240. CycloneOz 15:38 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting P451:


Thanks. Yeah there seems to be turning around 12.5 to 13N. The moisture surge to the north seems to be actually getting drawn further south to the west side of that turning.

Interesting to say the least. Maybe it's starting to consolidate some.

Meanwhile, you're just itching for a storm to intercept. I'm rooting for it to happen I'm interested to see what footage you get.


As far as the live web cam goes, that speaks for itself...you will have a live window on the storm, whether it be with the team configured as a portable unit, or hard mounted to a structure for a static shot. {I'd expect you all will be with the team.}

As far as the HD footage we'll be shooting at the same time, everyone is going to probably have to wait some time before the programs are released on YouTube.

It is our intention to create several shows from each landfall event our team covers. These 10-minute, professionally produced shows (however many there are in total) will all be in the can before the 1st one is released. Once we're ready, the shows will be released one per week continuously until they're all on YouTube.

I would expect 30-second ads to be released 3-4 weeks prior to the launch of the series.

Thank you for your interest. We are going to work very hard (when we're given the chance.)
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241. rwdobson 15:38 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting stormsurge39:
How accurate are the long range forecast models, like the ones for "Bill"?


The short answer is: not accurate at all. They can show possibilities, but the margin for error is absolutely huge.

Right now, because the storm hasn't even formed yet, the models do not have good input data, the output is extremely suspect. When you combine the lack of input data with the inherent uncertainty in a long range forecast, the net result is that the predictions have almost no skill.

Think about it: for a five-day forecast issued by the NHC, taking into account all models and data, plus expert human interpretation, the average error is 300 miles. So for a model prediction, with no good input data and no human input, the 10-day forecast error is literally 1,000 miles or more.
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242. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 15:38 GMT le 12 août 2009    


most of convection remains over sw quad of the cirulation as per latest vis shows the ne section void of convective cells
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243. presslord 15:40 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting rwdobson:


The short answer is: not accurate at all. They can show possibilities, but the margin for error is absolutely huge.

Right now, because the storm hasn't even formed yet, the models do not have good input data, the output is extremely suspect. When you combine the lack of input data with the inherent uncertainty in a long range forecast, the net result is that the predictions have almost no skill.

Think about it: for a five-day forecast issued by the NHC, taking into account all models and data, plus expert human interpretation, the average error is 300 miles. So for a model prediction, with no good input data and no human input, the 10-day forecast error is literally 1,000 miles or more.


every person who blogs here should have this tatooed on the back of their mouse hand...
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244. boltdwright 15:41 GMT le 12 août 2009    
The 06Z model run of the GFS predicts something hitting the panhandle of FL. Picture to prove.
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245. SouthALWX 15:41 GMT le 12 août 2009    
0z lookingg forward to seeing your footage =]
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246. wunderkidcayman 15:42 GMT le 12 août 2009    
IS IT JUST ME OR IS TD2/PRE-ANA AT 13.9NON LATEST SAT IT DOES
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247. Drakoen 15:42 GMT le 12 août 2009    
CV system taking longer to organize on the GFS 12z
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248. Gumbogator 15:43 GMT le 12 août 2009    
GFS is on the potential "Bill" storm. Dem computer models aren't to be trusted more than 72 hrs out.
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249. CybrTeddy 15:45 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:
CV system taking longer to organize on the GFS 12z


No kidding? That thing's huge right now. This could be a seriously strong and massive Hurricane.
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250. Patrap 15:46 GMT le 12 août 2009    

T.D 2 Showing its underwear right now,.as the Easterly Shear pushes the Cloudtops west

Storm Relative 1km Geostationary Visible Imagery
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251. TerraNova 15:47 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting boltdwright:
The 06Z model run of the GFS predicts something hitting the panhandle of FL. Picture to prove.


That's just an area of vorticity, which most shower and thunderstorm complexes have since air has a tendency to spin around an area of low pressure. The GFS doesn't and hasn't as of yet shown an organized tropical system developing in the Gulf. What it is showing is an open wave approaching the northern gulf.
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