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TD 2 struggling; new African wave bears watching
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 14:19 GMT le 12 août 2009 +2
Tropical Depression Two is struggling. The depression still has a good chance of becoming the Atlantic hurricane season's first named storm this week, but the dry, Saharan air that surrounds the storm, combined with moderately high levels of wind shear, are interfering with the storm's organization. Satellite loops of the storm show that heavy thunderstorm activity is limited to the west side of the depression. This is due to strong winds out of the southeast that are creating a moderate 15 - 20 knots of wind shear. The intensity and coverage of these thunderstorms is meager, thanks to the large amount of dry air to TD 2's north that is getting wrapped into the circulation. This morning's QuikSCAT pass showed a well-formed surface circulation, with top winds of about 30 - 35 mph.

Wind shear over TD 2 is expected to remain in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next five days. Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are a marginal 26 - 27°C, and will not change much over the next three days. There is plenty of dry, stable air from the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) to to TD 2's north that will continue to cause the storm problems. The relatively cool SSTs and dry air mean that TD 2 will not be able to intensify quickly. However, it does appear likely that TD 2 has enough going for it that it will eventually be able to become Tropical Storm Ana sometime in the next three days. Most of the computer models show some weak development, but none of them predict TD 2 will become a hurricane. It is unusual for storms forming this far north to make it all the way across the Atlantic to hit the Lesser Antilles Islands. For now, TD 2 doesn't concern me as much as the new tropical wave to its southeast, just off the coast of Africa.


Figure 1. Tropical Depression Two (left center of image) and a new tropical wave (right side of image), newly emerged from the coast of Africa.

Elsewhere in the Atlantic
A strong tropical wave with some rotation and plenty of heavy thunderstorm activity left the coast of Africa yesterday, and is located a few hundred miles south of the Cape Verdes Islands. The GFS and ECMWF models continue to predict the development of this wave late this week. Both of these models indicate that the wave would track further south than Tropical Depression Two, and could impact the Lesser Antilles Islands in about seven days. This storm bears close attention over the coming days.

Two other tropical waves, one that just passed through the Lesser Antilles Islands, and one about 300 miles east of the islands, are mentioned in NHC's Graphical Tropical Weather Outlook. Both of these waves have very limited heavy thunderstorm activity that is not increasing, and are not a threat to develop over the next two days. None of the computer models develop either of these waves.

Felicia moves through Hawaiian Islands as a tropical depression
Tropical Storm Felicia weakened to a tropical depression before passing through the Hawaiian Islands yesterday. The storm brought scattered heavy rains of 1 - 2 inches to the islands, and no damage was reported. Felicia is only the 10th tropical cyclone of tropical depression strength or higher to hit the islands since 1950. Four other tropical cyclones have passed within 75 miles of the islands during that time period.

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I'll have an update Thursday morning.

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2902. kmanislander 12:53 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting potteryX:
OK. Relax.
The alert was for the Navy link from Keeper.
It looks OK, but the alert still comes up.

Can you take that down, Keeper?


I posted a link to the Navy site as well. I got the warning but recognized it for what it was. I will also take down my link if it continues as a problem for anyone
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2903. extreme236 12:53 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting caneluver:


And????


He can correct me if I am wrong in saying this, but I believe he is suggesting that TD 2 always has the possibility of regenerating in a couple days when the environment becomes a little better for development.
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2904. eddye 12:54 GMT le 13 août 2009    
the models are useless for 90 l right now
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2905. weatherblog 12:54 GMT le 13 août 2009    
It's still funny to think about how we're still not on Ana and we're already half way through August...

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2906. CaneWarning 12:55 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting kmanislander:


I posted a link to the Navy site as well. I got the warning but recognized it for what it was. I will also take down my link if it continues as a problem for anyone


It's ok I think we are just all on high alert after the recent virus.
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2907. IKE 12:55 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting weatherblog:
It's still funny to think about how we're still not on Ana and we're already half way through August...



True....74 days in.
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2908. twhcracker 12:55 GMT le 13 août 2009    

how many of the most infamous hurricanes were born right off the coast of africa... seems all the big ones hitting the gulf coast were born in the yucatan or caribbean werent they? I dont get so excited about storms rolling off the coast of africa. and besides, a huge storm cant be a category five for more than a few days so if it turns into a huge storm off the coast of africa i dont think it will be so big by the time it comes here right? just my totally unscientific observation.
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2909. cg2916 12:55 GMT le 13 août 2009    
I know that this is a little off-topic, but if the CSU's forecast is correct, then there would have to be a named storm every 11 days from now, a hurricane every 27.5 days, and a major hurricane every 55 days.
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2910. stormsurge39 12:56 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Whats the purpose of running longe range models on AOI that havent even developed yet? Im not talking about the short term, because i know thats important. Im referring to models that have AOI hitting all over the GOM and the east coast?
2911. MahFL 12:56 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Keeperofthegate, please find a school that teaches grammer, and punctuation. Also it's "thier" not "there".
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2912. IKE 12:56 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting twhcracker:

how many of the most infamous hurricanes were born right off the coast of africa... seems all the big ones hitting the gulf coast were born in the yucatan or caribbean werent they? I dont get so excited about storms rolling off the coast of africa. and besides, a huge storm cant be a category five for more than a few days so if it turns into a huge storm off the coast of africa i dont think it will be so big by the time it comes here right? just my totally unscientific observation.


You have to put things in perspective. It's over 3,000 miles from Miami. Not going to rush up on anyone, for now.
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2913. ackee 12:59 GMT le 13 août 2009    
what IF we dont see ANA until september that would be real funny
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2914. Autistic2 12:59 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting MahFL:
Keeperofthegate, please find a school that teaches grammer, and punctuation. Also it's "thier" not "there".


Wow people are sesintive.
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2916. homelesswanderer 12:59 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting twhcracker:

how many of the most infamous hurricanes were born right off the coast of africa... seems all the big ones hitting the gulf coast were born in the yucatan or caribbean werent they? I dont get so excited about storms rolling off the coast of africa. and besides, a huge storm cant be a category five for more than a few days so if it turns into a huge storm off the coast of africa i dont think it will be so big by the time it comes here right? just my totally unscientific observation.


Not all of em.
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2917. extreme236 12:59 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting MahFL:
Keeperofthegate, please find a school that teaches grammer, and punctuation. Also it's "thier" not "there".


Actually you spelled "thier" wrong its "their" lol...might wanna check that before you criticize someone else. And grammar has an A not an E.
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2918. 69Viking 12:59 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting stormsurge39:


Is Joe Bastardi a good forecaster? He is very bold in his forecasting. Yesterday he said he disagreed with the NHC and thought TD2 should be named. He also is the only met out of local TV and TWC who keeps referring to a system developing in the GOM this weekend. I have also seen some of you mention something in the GOM. Is Bastardi on to something in the GOM or is this a long shot? Concerned Gulf Coast resident.


Read post 2847 from IKE, it explains the GOM situation this weekend in detail.
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2919. canesrule1 13:00 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Just a naked swirl:
2920. potteryX 13:00 GMT le 13 août 2009    
MahFl,
Its "grammar". not "grammer"
2921. MahFL 13:00 GMT le 13 août 2009    
ackee, that might be the case with elnino and all.
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2922. RescueAFR 13:00 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Good Morning Everyone...from South Fla..
The GFS run on 90L is still holding to its position realtive to the US East Coast for several days now.. I also still see it passing through Hebert Box 1...so it should be interesting in the week to come.
Stay well...G'day ~
Steve
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2923. WatchingThisOne 13:00 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting MahFL:
Keeperofthegate, please find a school that teaches grammer, and punctuation. Also it's "thier" not "there".


Now we have grammar police. "Thier" is not a word so far as I know.
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2924. TerraNova 13:00 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting MahFL:
Keeperofthegate, please find a school that teaches grammer, and punctuation. Also it's "thier" not "there".


What comes around, goes around.

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2925. fmbill 13:00 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Regarding TD2.

One good thing about naked swirls...you certainly can tell where the COC is. :-)
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2926. CaneWarning 13:00 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting extreme236:


Actually you spelled "thier" wrong its "their" lol...might wanna check that before you criticize someone else.


I was laughing at that myself.
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2927. tigerfanintexas 13:01 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting MahFL:
Keeperofthegate, please find a school that teaches grammer, and punctuation. Also it's "thier" not "there".
I believe it is their not thier...take your own advice.
2928. Twinkster 13:01 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting MahFL:
Keeperofthegate, please find a school that teaches grammer, and punctuation. Also it's "thier" not "there".



find a school that teaches spelling lol not thier it is their
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2929. BenBIogger 13:01 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Tropical Depression 10 (2005)


Which later help form Katrina
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2932. cg2916 13:01 GMT le 13 août 2009    
AL, 02, 2009081312, , BEST, 0, 140N, 372W, 25, 1008, TD
Weakened some more. It's still a TD, though.
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2933. TheDawnAwakening 13:01 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting twhcracker:

how many of the most infamous hurricanes were born right off the coast of africa... seems all the big ones hitting the gulf coast were born in the yucatan or caribbean werent they? I dont get so excited about storms rolling off the coast of africa. and besides, a huge storm cant be a category five for more than a few days so if it turns into a huge storm off the coast of africa i dont think it will be so big by the time it comes here right? just my totally unscientific observation.


Almost all of the major hurricanes were born from tropical waves. Cape Verde Hurricanes are normally larger storms, but not necessarily stronger. Katrina and Wilma developed close to the Caribbean Sea, but they originated from tropical waves off Africa. TD10 in 2005 eventually hooked up with another tropical wave and became Katrina east of Florida.
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2934. laflastormtracker 13:02 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Wave at 68W winding up.
2935. extreme236 13:02 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting P451:
90L - ~ 20W



1 - ~ 10W




2 - ~ 10E




3 - ~30E



Thanks for the awesome loops.
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2936. MahFL 13:04 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Lol I knew I'd screw up when I criticised someone, oh well....back to the drawing board, where's my crayons ?
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2937. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 13:02 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting MahFL:
Keeperofthegate, please find a school that teaches grammer, and punctuation. Also it's "thier" not "there".
hey listen pal ya should chill out i type that quickly as per the warnings people were getting i dont use punuation it from my hacker days before ya jump you should really know who your jumping on iam a fair person i will show respect until none is shown towards me
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2938. extreme236 13:02 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting cg2916:
AL, 02, 2009081312, , BEST, 0, 140N, 372W, 25, 1008, TD
Weakened some more. It's still a TD, though.


It might, but I'm doubtful. It hasn't had deep convection for about 12 hours at least at this point.
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2939. MahFL 13:03 GMT le 13 août 2009    
laflastormtracker, define "winding up" please.
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2941. Tazmanian 13:04 GMT le 13 août 2009    
13/1200 UTC 16.9N 121.1W T4.0/4.0 GUILLERMO -- East Pacific
13/1200 UTC 12.3N 135.2W T1.0/1.0 09E -- East Pacific
13/1145 UTC 11.3N 22.6W T1.0/1.0 90L -- Atlantic
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2942. fmbill 13:04 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
hey listen pal ya should chill out i type that quickly as per the warnings people were getting i dont use punuation it from my hacker days before ya jump you should really know who your jumping on iam a fair person i will show respect until none is shown towards me


And with that...I exit.

You all have a nice day!
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2943. cg2916 13:04 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting potteryX:
MahFl,
Its "grammar". not "grammer"

And you misspelled "It's". You need to add an apostrophe.

I thought we were weather nerds, not grammar and spelling nerds.
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2944. extreme236 13:04 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting Tazmanian:
13/1200 UTC 16.9N 121.1W T4.0/4.0 GUILLERMO -- East Pacific
13/1200 UTC 12.3N 135.2W T1.0/1.0 09E -- East Pacific
13/1145 UTC 11.3N 22.6W T1.0/1.0 90L -- Atlantic


Guillermo is rapidly intensifying.
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2945. canesrule1 13:05 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting cg2916:
AL, 02, 2009081312, , BEST, 0, 140N, 372W, 25, 1008, TD
Weakened some more. It's still a TD, though.
winds for the 11 O'Clock advisory are 29MPH, with pressure at 1008 millibars, definitely weakening, we might not have 02L tonight, unless convection miraculously comes.
2948. laflastormtracker 13:06 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Convection firing around the wave. I am watching Atlantic Color Infrared.
Quoting MahFL:
laflastormtracker, define "winding up" please.
2949. Tazmanian 13:05 GMT le 13 août 2009    
it will be most likey hurricane Guillermo in the next update
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2950. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 13:06 GMT le 13 août 2009    
taz you get the link i posted for ya
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2951. cg2916 13:06 GMT le 13 août 2009    
I think that the last TD2 advisory will be at 5 PM. It seems like the NHC is giving it one more chance, but I think that it will be very tough for convection to come back.
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