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TD 2 struggling; new African wave bears watching
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 14:19 GMT le 12 août 2009 +2
Tropical Depression Two is struggling. The depression still has a good chance of becoming the Atlantic hurricane season's first named storm this week, but the dry, Saharan air that surrounds the storm, combined with moderately high levels of wind shear, are interfering with the storm's organization. Satellite loops of the storm show that heavy thunderstorm activity is limited to the west side of the depression. This is due to strong winds out of the southeast that are creating a moderate 15 - 20 knots of wind shear. The intensity and coverage of these thunderstorms is meager, thanks to the large amount of dry air to TD 2's north that is getting wrapped into the circulation. This morning's QuikSCAT pass showed a well-formed surface circulation, with top winds of about 30 - 35 mph.

Wind shear over TD 2 is expected to remain in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next five days. Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are a marginal 26 - 27°C, and will not change much over the next three days. There is plenty of dry, stable air from the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) to to TD 2's north that will continue to cause the storm problems. The relatively cool SSTs and dry air mean that TD 2 will not be able to intensify quickly. However, it does appear likely that TD 2 has enough going for it that it will eventually be able to become Tropical Storm Ana sometime in the next three days. Most of the computer models show some weak development, but none of them predict TD 2 will become a hurricane. It is unusual for storms forming this far north to make it all the way across the Atlantic to hit the Lesser Antilles Islands. For now, TD 2 doesn't concern me as much as the new tropical wave to its southeast, just off the coast of Africa.


Figure 1. Tropical Depression Two (left center of image) and a new tropical wave (right side of image), newly emerged from the coast of Africa.

Elsewhere in the Atlantic
A strong tropical wave with some rotation and plenty of heavy thunderstorm activity left the coast of Africa yesterday, and is located a few hundred miles south of the Cape Verdes Islands. The GFS and ECMWF models continue to predict the development of this wave late this week. Both of these models indicate that the wave would track further south than Tropical Depression Two, and could impact the Lesser Antilles Islands in about seven days. This storm bears close attention over the coming days.

Two other tropical waves, one that just passed through the Lesser Antilles Islands, and one about 300 miles east of the islands, are mentioned in NHC's Graphical Tropical Weather Outlook. Both of these waves have very limited heavy thunderstorm activity that is not increasing, and are not a threat to develop over the next two days. None of the computer models develop either of these waves.

Felicia moves through Hawaiian Islands as a tropical depression
Tropical Storm Felicia weakened to a tropical depression before passing through the Hawaiian Islands yesterday. The storm brought scattered heavy rains of 1 - 2 inches to the islands, and no damage was reported. Felicia is only the 10th tropical cyclone of tropical depression strength or higher to hit the islands since 1950. Four other tropical cyclones have passed within 75 miles of the islands during that time period.

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I'll have an update Thursday morning.

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251. TerraNova 15:47 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting boltdwright:
The 06Z model run of the GFS predicts something hitting the panhandle of FL. Picture to prove.


That's just an area of vorticity, which most shower and thunderstorm complexes have since air has a tendency to spin around an area of low pressure. The GFS doesn't and hasn't as of yet shown an organized tropical system developing in the Gulf. What it is showing is an open wave approaching the northern gulf.
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253. TerraNova 15:49 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:
CV system taking longer to organize on the GFS 12z


No surprise...no clear evidence of an organized low level circ yet but it should start to organize, slowly.
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254. rwdobson 15:49 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Thanks for the support Press.

I'm not trying to be a downcaster and say the proto-bill isn't something to watch, because it is. It's August, it's a CV-wave, etc. Just saying that the long-range GFS predicition is no more accurate than any random predicition one could make.
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255. 7544 15:51 GMT le 12 août 2009    
10 day gfsx still there but not as strons as yesterday

Link
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256. ALCoastGambler 15:50 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Thanks Patrap
257. rwdobson 15:51 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Until it becomes an invest and at least gets a number, maybe we should call the feature "The Wave That Most Models Predict Will Become Bill", or TWTMMPWBB for short...:-)
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258. hydrus 15:54 GMT le 12 août 2009    
BOLTDWRIGHT-With water temperatures in the G.O.M over 90 degrees ,things could spin up very quickly.If that cluster of thunderstorm in the northern gulf were to persist,it could form a low near the coastline.Similar to Danny 1997.
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260. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 15:53 GMT le 12 août 2009    
latest ir full basin sat image with track overlay

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261. WxLogic 15:54 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting 7544:
10 day gfsx still there but not as strons as yesterday

Link


Why do I keep thinking of Charley when I see this GFSX...
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262. obsessedwweather 15:54 GMT le 12 août 2009    
TD 2 looking more organized...
263. IKE 15:55 GMT le 12 août 2009    
On a floater of TD2, I see what the NHC is talking about with the clouds south of it, heading into the mother blob.
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264. SouthALWX 15:57 GMT le 12 août 2009    
obviously "bill" hasnt been designated an invest and as such no GFDL runs have been made, however is this the model trying to show it? Not centered on it so of course it's not accurate as it could be butttt .. feel free to speculate.....http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/gfdltc2.cgi?time=2009081206-two02l&field=Sea Level Pres sure&hour=126hr

And to pat, im using the quotation marks to refer to the waves as thats what the modeling shows them as. When not refering to a model I'll try to use a different designation =]
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265. Patrap 15:57 GMT le 12 août 2009    
266. TheCaneWhisperer 15:58 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting IKE:
On a floater of TD2, I see what the NHC is talking about with the clouds south of it, heading into the mother blob.


That's a killer too, it's TD2's only moisture tap with dry stable air to the N and W.
267. Nolehead 15:58 GMT le 12 août 2009    
keeper...that image makes me wonder if something might form from the disturbance on the yuk and this weak front in teh GOM?? maybe that's what the models are picking up on....
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268. hurricanehanna 15:58 GMT le 12 août 2009    
The wave moving towards the Leeward Islands is the one the CMC is picking up on. With the TCHP on the high side and the wave possibly moving over the Loop Current, we could see something develop quickly. I just perk my head up on this one cause it's close to home.
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269. IKE 15:59 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting SouthALWX:
obviously "bill" hasnt been designated an invest and as such no GFDL runs have been made, however is this the model trying to show it? Not centered on it so of course it's not accurate as it could be butttt .. feel free to speculate.....http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/gfdltc2.cgi?time=2009081206-two02l&field=Sea+Level+ Pres sure&hour=126hr


Yes.
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270. TerraNova 15:59 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Keeper that's a nice image do you have a link?
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271. 7544 15:59 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting IKE:
On a floater of TD2, I see what the NHC is talking about with the clouds south of it, heading into the mother blob.


and along line of clouds to the north like a tail is beeing feed but is

is that good or bad for the system ike
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272. asgolfr999 16:00 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting Patrap:
Please,..for continuity and for the Less informed ,..Do not use Pre-this,or Pre-that in relation to TD's and AOI's

Its not helping the flow here,nor does it make one seems,insightful as to outcome.
The NHC is the Sole Naming Authority.
Lets Keep it that way.
Ill will flag,and Have every post in here that styles there post in that manner.

As the Robo-dude once said..

"Thank you for your Co-operation"





So "pre" disturbs continuity but Robocop pics don't...hmmmm :-)
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273. IKE 16:01 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting 7544:


and along line of clouds to the north like a tail is beeing feed but is

is that good or bad for the system ike


Clouds to the south...according to the NHC...no.
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274. slavp 16:01 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting hurricanehanna:
The wave moving towards the Leeward Islands is the one the CMC is picking up on. With the TCHP on the high side and the wave possibly moving over the Loop Current, we could see something develop quickly. I just perk my head up on this one cause it's close to home.
I agree Hanna...Anytime I see something with "potential" I always become even more aware than I already am...LOL
275. Patrap 16:01 GMT le 12 août 2009    
2km Storm Relative IR Imagery with BD Enhancement Curve


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277. TerraNova 16:04 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting SouthALWX:
obviously "bill" hasnt been designated an invest and as such no GFDL runs have been made, however is this the model trying to show it? Not centered on it so of course it's not accurate as it could be butttt .. feel free to speculate.....http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/gfdltc2.cgi?time=2009081206-two02l&field=Sea Level Pres sure&hour=126hr


Yup, that's the one...sometimes the GFDL and HWRF can show other systems.
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278. CybrTeddy 16:04 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting Funkadelic:
Hey guys just turned on the computer. It seems as if the models are not as agressive with the wave (Pre-bill) in terms of strength. Is this true? Or am I looking at old runs?


De-terming strength is impossible this far out. So far its a guessing game. But we're pretty sure that wave's going to develop.
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279. stormlvr 16:04 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting rwdobson:
Thanks for the support Press.

I'm not trying to be a downcaster and say the proto-bill isn't something to watch, because it is. It's August, it's a CV-wave, etc. Just saying that the long-range GFS predicition is no more accurate than any random predicition one could make.


This is the type of situation the models handle the best. A large area of energy and a relatively straight forward steering pattern. Add agreement between 2 of the best models and confidence increases. Steering may become a bit more complex beyond 60W but for the most part I can't disagree with the model track depiction so far.
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280. Patrap 16:04 GMT le 12 août 2009    
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281. iluvjess 16:05 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting Patrap:
Please,..for continuity and for the Less informed ,..Do not use Pre-this,or Pre-that in relation to TD's and AOI's

Its not helping the flow here,nor does it make one seems,insightful as to outcome.
The NHC is the Sole Naming Authority.
Lets Keep it that way.
Ill will flag,and Have every post in here that styles there post in that manner.

As the Robo-dude once said..

"Thank you for your Co-operation"





There are many other problems with continuity in this blog other than "pre-this" or "pre-that". If the admin has a problem with this language then they will voice it. Users of the blog need to refrain from attempting to police it as if they have any kind of jurisdiction or athority to do so. Carry on...
282. Malachai 16:05 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting IKE:
12Z NAM....


Nicely coincides with the same initial location as the CMC. Really sweet. Hello TX/LA
283. TerraNova 16:05 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting Funkadelic:
Hey guys just turned on the computer. It seems as if the models are not as agressive with the wave (Pre-bill) in terms of strength. Is this true? Or am I looking at old runs?


Most are still pretty agressive down the road (ECMWF, GFS) but some (12z GFS) are taking a bit longer to develop it.
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284. SouthALWX 16:06 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting TerraNova:


Yup, that's the one...sometimes the GFDL and HWRF can show other systems.

Yes I've seen it before and was prettyconfident that was the case. Not sure if it has been discussed on the blog yet that the GFDL "develops" the wave
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285. IKE 16:06 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Look at the GOM wave at 96 hours... + the EATL....

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286. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 16:07 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting Funkadelic:
Hey guys just turned on the computer. It seems as if the models are not as agressive with the wave (Pre-bill) in terms of strength. Is this true? Or am I looking at old runs?
models are gonna bounce around till something actual forms right now its not a bill or anything else just a blip on a model what it becomes is all guess work now should be watchin 02l for the first name other than that nothing but speculation don't want to start scaring folks for something that may never form
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287. reedzone 16:07 GMT le 12 août 2009    
12Z GFS shows a low in 6 hours.. I think it's too fast on development. We'll see I guess.
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288. extreme236 16:08 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting IKE:
Look at the GOM wave at 96 hours... + the EATL....



Another wave rolling off the coast too...
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290. weathersp 16:08 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting Patrap:



No,..but I opened a wu-mail confirming that a ad may the Origin of the viral attack,with a nice thanks attached,so waking up is Kinda good this am.


If this the case can we please get rid of the link prompt...
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291. Patrap 16:08 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting iluvjess:


There are many other problems with continuity in this blog other than "pre-this" or "pre-that". If the admin has a problem with this language then they will voice it. Users of the blog need to refrain from attempting to police it as if they have any kind of jurisdiction or athority to do so. Carry on...





A-U-T-H-O-R-I-T-Y,..authority


Pllllllllllllllllllllllttttttttttttttttt...LOL
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292. SouthALWX 16:08 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Hadn't noticed that IKE. Needs to be watched
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293. AustinTXWeather 16:08 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting IKE:
Look at the GOM wave at 96 hours... + the EATL....



Ike, is that image showing a likelihood to usher a system into Texas? Making sure I am translating correctly.
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295. IKE 16:09 GMT le 12 août 2009    
...that image I just posted from the GFS. GOM blob looks a little better then TD2.
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296. StonedCrab 16:09 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Howdy Folks!
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297. DrNo 16:09 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Oh, and... sorry if I interrupted the "flow."
298. rwdobson 16:10 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting stormlvr:


This is the type of situation the models handle the best. A large area of energy and a relatively straight forward steering pattern. Add agreement between 2 of the best models and confidence increases. Steering may become a bit more complex beyond 60W but for the most part I can't disagree with the model track depiction so far.


The models might be relatively accurate up to 60W...but that's a long way from the GOM/US Coast. And even up to 60W the margin of error on the predicition is easily +/- 500 miles to the north or south, which would make a huge difference in how it behaves beyond 60W.
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299. extreme236 16:10 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting IKE:
...that image I just posted from the GFS. GOM blob looks a little better then TD2.


Whats probably going to happens is TD 2 will attain its Ana status later today and probably stay rather minimal and ultimately weaken in a few days.
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300. mobilegirl81 16:10 GMT le 12 août 2009    
The highs sitting over the east caost and florida are going to drive anything into the gulf or florida.
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301. ssmate 16:11 GMT le 12 août 2009    
Quoting iluvjess:


There are many other problems with continuity in this blog other than "pre-this" or "pre-that". If the admin has a problem with this language then they will voice it. Users of the blog need to refrain from attempting to police it as if they have any kind of jurisdiction or athority to do so. Carry on...


I disagree, like in hockey, the users can somewhat police themselves. Patraps point is well taken, it's confusing to read entries with the 'pre's'.
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