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TD 2 struggling; new African wave bears watching
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 14:19 GMT le 12 août 2009 +2
Tropical Depression Two is struggling. The depression still has a good chance of becoming the Atlantic hurricane season's first named storm this week, but the dry, Saharan air that surrounds the storm, combined with moderately high levels of wind shear, are interfering with the storm's organization. Satellite loops of the storm show that heavy thunderstorm activity is limited to the west side of the depression. This is due to strong winds out of the southeast that are creating a moderate 15 - 20 knots of wind shear. The intensity and coverage of these thunderstorms is meager, thanks to the large amount of dry air to TD 2's north that is getting wrapped into the circulation. This morning's QuikSCAT pass showed a well-formed surface circulation, with top winds of about 30 - 35 mph.

Wind shear over TD 2 is expected to remain in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next five days. Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are a marginal 26 - 27°C, and will not change much over the next three days. There is plenty of dry, stable air from the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) to to TD 2's north that will continue to cause the storm problems. The relatively cool SSTs and dry air mean that TD 2 will not be able to intensify quickly. However, it does appear likely that TD 2 has enough going for it that it will eventually be able to become Tropical Storm Ana sometime in the next three days. Most of the computer models show some weak development, but none of them predict TD 2 will become a hurricane. It is unusual for storms forming this far north to make it all the way across the Atlantic to hit the Lesser Antilles Islands. For now, TD 2 doesn't concern me as much as the new tropical wave to its southeast, just off the coast of Africa.


Figure 1. Tropical Depression Two (left center of image) and a new tropical wave (right side of image), newly emerged from the coast of Africa.

Elsewhere in the Atlantic
A strong tropical wave with some rotation and plenty of heavy thunderstorm activity left the coast of Africa yesterday, and is located a few hundred miles south of the Cape Verdes Islands. The GFS and ECMWF models continue to predict the development of this wave late this week. Both of these models indicate that the wave would track further south than Tropical Depression Two, and could impact the Lesser Antilles Islands in about seven days. This storm bears close attention over the coming days.

Two other tropical waves, one that just passed through the Lesser Antilles Islands, and one about 300 miles east of the islands, are mentioned in NHC's Graphical Tropical Weather Outlook. Both of these waves have very limited heavy thunderstorm activity that is not increasing, and are not a threat to develop over the next two days. None of the computer models develop either of these waves.

Felicia moves through Hawaiian Islands as a tropical depression
Tropical Storm Felicia weakened to a tropical depression before passing through the Hawaiian Islands yesterday. The storm brought scattered heavy rains of 1 - 2 inches to the islands, and no damage was reported. Felicia is only the 10th tropical cyclone of tropical depression strength or higher to hit the islands since 1950. Four other tropical cyclones have passed within 75 miles of the islands during that time period.

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3001. canesrule1 13:30 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting jasoniscoolman10:
wow
Im assuming that 90L's COC is located in the center of those two large bands surrounding the system.
3002. cg2916 13:30 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting jasoniscoolman10:
wow

Like I said before... gotta wrap that convection around to help close the LLC.
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3003. serialteg 13:31 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Mornin,

is the Brown color in the sat pictures representative of Saharan dust?


I am so sad for TD2. Hopefully we get something out of our '09 season. Tis been very bad for development. Models still show strengthening as a consensus in about 3 days, to tropical storm status. Let's stay tuned, as always.
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3004. Cotillion 13:31 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting cg2916:

Shear played its part, too.


For sure, shear was what damaged it first.

Still could be a danger later on even if it does become a remnant low.
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3005. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 13:32 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting sammywammybamy:
TD 3 is Possile Tonight
in all liklyhood if it organizes today then fires strong convection after sunset local time over 90L maybe by dawn tomorrow we get 03L
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3006. marknmelb 13:33 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting sammywammybamy:
2973. Frances And Jeanne....


Exactly. And near Winter Haven Florida they got hit by all three storms in 2004. Charley, Francis, and Jeane. Charly was only a minor annoyance to me. Francis and Jeane a totally different story.
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3007. canesrule1 13:35 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting cg2916:

Like I said before... gotta wrap that convection around to help close the LLC.
yup and it has to big bands around it which will help it do just that! i'm assuming the NHC will go red with this before Saturday evening, imho.
3009. rxse7en 13:34 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting P451:


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That's exactly right. The point of this blog is human interaction--good or bad. If you need something more sterile, there are other websites. Just relax and enjoy the drama and education. :)
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3010. TerraNova 13:34 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting canesrule1:
Im assuming that 90L's COC is located in the center of those two large bands surrounding the system.


An appearance like that is indicative of a developing system, with two blobs/bands of moderate to heavy convection surrounding a COC on either side. 90L in other words is consolidating.
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3011. Patrap 13:34 GMT le 13 août 2009    
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3012. laflastormtracker 13:35 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Don't be sad about the lack of activity in the Atlantic basin. The season started late, therefore heavy activity is likely to last well into October, if this year is anyting similar to other late starting years in history. An El Nino winter is likely to continue the wet trend in the Gulf states.

Quoting serialteg:
Mornin,

is the Brown color in the sat pictures representative of Saharan dust?


I am so sad for TD2. Hopefully we get something out of our '09 season. Tis been very bad for development. Models still show strengthening as a consensus in about 3 days, to tropical storm status. Let's stay tuned, as always.
3013. kmanislander 13:36 GMT le 13 août 2009    
This buoy is located very close to where 90L is currently positioned and shows a pressure of 1010.5 mb.

Reports are updated every few hours and with 90L being a slow mover the next update will give some indication of whether it is deepening or not.
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3014. futuremet 13:36 GMT le 13 août 2009    
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3015. tigerfanintexas 13:36 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting cg2916:

Like I said before... gotta wrap that convection around to help close the LLC.
It looked like it was closed in the ascending quickscat pass. I am no expert so if I am wrong please explain why so I don't make the same mistake.
3016. StormChaser81 13:38 GMT le 13 août 2009    
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3017. largeeyes 13:37 GMT le 13 août 2009    
What is that that's pushing dry air to the south in front of 02L? A front of some sort?
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3018. hurricanemaniac123 13:37 GMT le 13 août 2009    
What would have been better:

1. NHC declaring TS Ana yesterday at 5pm
2. NHC not declaring TS Ana yesterday at 5pm
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3019. ftpiercecane 13:37 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting melwerle:
Good Morning Everyone -

My stupid question for the day...has any place been hit back-to-back by a hurricane (within days of each other)?

Thanks, Melissa

Frances and Jeanne both storms the eye made landfall here in Stuart, Fl. Will never forget the 2004 year as many other Floridians on both coasts.
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3020. TerraNova 13:38 GMT le 13 août 2009    
90L has the surrounding moisture rolling pretty nicely, you can also see a band of moisture-starved air intruding upon 02L's circulation. Link to 72-hour animation.

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3021. serialteg 13:38 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting Cotillion:


For sure, shear was what damaged it first.

Still could be a danger later on even if it does become a remnant low.


Hi Cotillion,

97L about a month back brought very cane-like conditions to Puerto Rico. Remember, that low was dismissed, it persisted, deformed and reformed constantly.

Today I wake to gale winds in PR, not as intense as 97L but then again, maybe the brunt hasn't passed. Yesterday it was raining, and six-foot swell forecasts are up for the coast today (the south where I live is still smallish). Let's hope the swell rises during the day, and that our systems survive!

Cheers
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3022. kmanislander 13:39 GMT le 13 août 2009    
See you all later
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3024. canesrule1 13:39 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting TerraNova:


An appearance like that is indicative of a developing system, with two blobs/bands of moderate to heavy convection surrounding a COC on either side. 90L in other words is consolidating.
Very true, i anticipate this to start acquiring that circular shape with bands around it as the day progresses, here is the latest satellite: Satellite as of 9:15AM EST:
3025. asgolfr999 13:40 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting serialteg:
Mornin,

is the Brown color in the sat pictures representative of Saharan dust?


I am so sad for TD2. Hopefully we get something out of our '09 season. Tis been very bad for development. Models still show strengthening as a consensus in about 3 days, to tropical storm status. Let's stay tuned, as always.


I don't know where you live, and frankly, it doesn't matter, and this comment is aimed at all who are sorry when a storm fizzles, not just you. We live on the gulf coast and pray to the Lord above every day that EVERY STORM fizzles. I too enjoy watching the fascination with these things but please, lives and livelihoods are at stake here and I wish you ALL would stop wishcasting these things on us.

YEESH!!!
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3026. DaytonaBeachWatcher 13:40 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting hurricanemaniac123:
What would have been better:

1. NHC declaring TS Ana yesterday at 5pm
2. NHC not declaring TS Ana yesterday at 5pm

The NHC declaring at 11 am yesturday, when it was at its best.
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3027. canesrule1 13:41 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting hurricanemaniac123:
What would have been better:

1. NHC declaring TS Ana yesterday at 5pm
2. NHC not declaring TS Ana yesterday at 5pm
Not declaring Ana because then at 11 they would have to take it back to TD status because of poor satellite presentation.
3028. laflastormtracker 13:42 GMT le 13 août 2009    
I'm calling it... Depression status with system east of the Bahamas 68W in the next couple days.
3029. StormChaser81 13:42 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting asgolfr999:


I don't know where you live, and frankly, it doesn't matter, and this comment is aimed at all who are sorry when a storm fizzles, not just you. We live on the gulf coast and pray to the Lord above every day that EVERY STORM fizzles. I too enjoy watching the fascination with these things but please, lives and livelihoods are at stake here and I wish you ALL would stop wishcasting these things on us.

YEESH!!!


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3030. marknmelb 13:42 GMT le 13 août 2009    
canes - can you get a bigger picture ??? lol
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3031. cg2916 13:42 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting tigerfanintexas:
It looked like it was closed in the ascending quickscat pass. I am no expert so if I am wrong please explain why so I don't make the same mistake.

Actually, if you look on the west side of it, instead of turning upwards, it keeps going west.
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3032. cg2916 13:44 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting hurricanemaniac123:
What would have been better:

1. NHC declaring TS Ana yesterday at 5pm
2. NHC not declaring TS Ana yesterday at 5pm

Not sure. It did have TS winds for a while, but the name would have probably been wasted.
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3033. canesrule1 13:44 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting marknmelb:
canes - can you get a bigger picture ??? lol
sorry, its just i got Firefox so it looks big on mine but small on yours: Here's the link, there are updates every 15 minutes: Link
3034. serialteg 13:44 GMT le 13 août 2009    
still, is the Brown color in the sat pictures representative of Saharan dust?
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3035. MahFL 13:45 GMT le 13 août 2009    
hurricanemaniac123, it's irrelivent, the NHC will declare something when they choose, they are the authority tasked with doing so.

Sometimes we mere mortals may disagree with the NHC, but that's ok, as I, at least, am fortuneate enough to live in a democracy.
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3036. marknmelb 13:45 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting canesrule1:
sorry, its just i got Firefox so it looks big on mine but small on yours:


Actually it was HUGE on mine...
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3037. ftpiercecane 13:46 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Serialteg is that picture gas chambers PR.
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3038. TerraNova 13:46 GMT le 13 août 2009    
CIMSS has 02L flagged for rapid dissipation.

Tno/CI Rules : Constraint Limits : NO LIMIT
Weakening Flag : OFF
Rapid Dissipation Flag : ON
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3039. cg2916 13:46 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Has anyone noticed that on the SSD dvorak page, the 1145 UTC numbers didn't come out for TD2, just 90L? They should have come out around 8:15 to 8:30 eastern time.
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3040. canesrule1 13:46 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting serialteg:
still, is the Brown color in the sat pictures representative of Saharan dust?
it represents shear and SAL and dry which all pretty much mean the same thing, either way u slice it brown is bad for the storm.
3041. Patrap 13:46 GMT le 13 août 2009    
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3042. canesrule1 13:47 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting marknmelb:


Actually it was HUGE on mine...
u just told me it was very small, huh, LOL!
3043. serialteg 13:48 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting asgolfr999:


I don't know where you live, and frankly, it doesn't matter, and this comment is aimed at all who are sorry when a storm fizzles, not just you. We live on the gulf coast and pray to the Lord above every day that EVERY STORM fizzles. I too enjoy watching the fascination with these things but please, lives and livelihoods are at stake here and I wish you ALL would stop wishcasting these things on us.

YEESH!!!


I don't want them to go into landmasses, rather to stay at sea and bring swell conditions for surfing.

One man's garbage is another man's food sustenance...
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3044. wunderkidcayman 13:48 GMT le 13 août 2009    
hey guys looking at TD2 ir loop it look like it is gaining some spots of convection near the center look at the blue and yellow around
14.1n 37.5w
Link
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3045. largeeyes 13:48 GMT le 13 août 2009    
I guess that's a ridge pushing the air down in front of 02....?
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3046. canesrule1 13:49 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting TerraNova:
CIMSS has 02L flagged for rapid dissipation.

Tno/CI Rules : Constraint Limits : NO LIMIT
Weakening Flag : OFF
Rapid Dissipation Flag : ON
I agree with Cimss 110% this is rapidly weakening, you cant even find it on AVN, either this gets a burst of convection in the next 6-9 hours, or it will be classified as a remnant low.
3047. cg2916 13:49 GMT le 13 août 2009    
This thing doesn't deserve to be TD 2:

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3048. largeeyes 13:50 GMT le 13 août 2009    
It's firing some convection, but again to the west of it's COC.
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3049. cg2916 13:52 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting wunderkidcayman:
hey guys looking at TD2 ir loop it look like it is gaining some spots of convection near the center look at the blue and yellow around
14.1n 37.5w
Link

You know, I just now noticed that.
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3050. serialteg 13:50 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting canesrule1:
it represents shear and SAL and dry which all pretty much mean the same thing, either way u slice it brown is bad for the storm.


Thing is, in PR we get these bad air episodes where the ambient gets clouded by Saharan dust. What is it, sand? Something clouds the weather and makes a clear day "brumoso", I fail to find the thesaurus today. Makes it un-clear, lol
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3051. IKE 13:50 GMT le 13 août 2009    
Quoting cg2916:
This thing doesn't deserve to be TD 2:



It won't be within an hour.
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