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Ana and TD 3 take aim at the Lesser Antilles
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 16:17 GMT le 15 août 2009 +7
Tropical Storm Ana was born this morning, when the remnants of Tropical Depression Two made a comeback and organized into the first tropical storm of the 2009 Atlantic hurricane season. Ana is the latest first named storm of the season since Hurricane Andrew got its name on August 17, 1992. The two storms have some similarities, as Andrew formed in the same part of the ocean, and also struggled in its early days with high wind shear and dry air. Let's hope the similarities end there.

Ana is struggling this afternoon. After an modest burst of heavy thunderstorm activity prompted NHC to upgrade Ana to a tropical storm early this morning, Ana has run into strong upper-level winds from the west that are creating high wind shear. This shear was not forecast, and it is not clear how long it will last. The shear has acted to drive dry air into the core of Ana, destroying almost all of Ana's heavy thunderstorms. The low-level center of the storm is now exposed to view, something that often foreshadows the death of a storm. It is possible the shear will destroy Ana, and several models (the GFS and ECMWF) forecast this may be the case. However, the shear forecast calls for shear to drop into the low range, 5 - 10 knots, tonight through Tuesday. If the shear does drop as forecast, Ana should be able to moisten the atmosphere around it sufficiently to protest itself from the dry Saharan air that surrounds it (Figure 1). SSTs are 27°C today, and will increase to 28°C by Sunday. By the time Ana moves into the Bahamas, total ocean heat content rises steeply (Figure 2), and rapid intensification of Ana is possible, if the shear and dry air haven't disrupted the storm. The intensity forecast models, for the most part, predict a steady intensification of Ana to the threshold of hurricane strength five days from now. The HWRF model is on the strong side, predicting a Category 2 hurricane. The GFDL predicts a weak tropical storm five days from now, but that is because the model has Ana passing over the rugged terrain of Hispaniola, something the other models do not predict. In summary, the intensity forecast for Ana has higher than usual uncertainty, and I give equal chances that the storm will be a hurricane--or non-existent--four days from now.


Figure 1. Water vapor image from this morning showing the large area of dry, Saharan air surrounding Ana, and lying to the north of Tropical Depression Three. Image credit: NOAA/SSD

Tropical Depression Three forms, could be Bill later today
QuikSCAT data from this morning and satellite loops revealed that the tropical wave (90L) in the middle Atlantic has finally developed a well developed surface circulation and can be classified as Tropical Depression Three. Recent satellite imagery suggests that TD 3 may already be Tropical Storm Bill. Water vapor imagery (Figure 1) shows that TD 3's center consolidated a few hundred miles south of the dry air of the Saharan Air Layer (SAL). Thus, the storm should not be affected by dry air and dust as much as Ana has been. Ana may also act to moisten the atmosphere in front of TD 3, helping protect the storm from the SAL as it edges farther north over the the three days.



Figure 2. Heat content of the ocean, in kJ per square cm. Oceanic heat content steadily increases for Ana and TD 3 as they approach the Lesser Antilles Islands. Oceanic heat content levels of 90 kJ per square cm are frequently associated with rapid intensification of hurricanes. Image credit: University of Miami.

Wind shear is moderate, 15 knots, but is forecast to fall to 10 - 15 knots on days 2 - 5. Sea Surface Temperatures are about 27.5°C, and will remain in the 27.5 - 28°C range the next five days. The combination of low wind shear and sufficiently warm SSTs should allow TD 3 to intensify steadily, and I expect the storm will be at hurricane strength by Wednesday, when it will be near the northern Lesser Antilles Islands. Most of our reliable intensity models strengthen TD 3 into a hurricane by Wednesday. Oceanic heat content (Figure 2) increases sharply just before the islands, so TD 3 could be intensifying rapidly as it moves through or just north of the Lesser Antilles on Thursday. TD 3 consolidated farther south than expected, so the track models calling for a more northerly path were probably incorrect. In particular, the ECMWF model, which had TD 3 turning sharply northwestward and missing the Lesser Antilles Islands, was probably much too far to the north in this morning's 00Z run. TD 3 will probably pass very close to the northern Lesser Antilles islands on Wednesday and Thursday.

I'll have an update Sunday.

Jeff Masters
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4751. CaneWarning 13:43 GMT le 16 août 2009    
The University of Tampa, Tampa, Florida (PWS)
Updated: 2 sec ago
79.8 °F
Clear
Humidity: 88%
Dew Point: 76 °F
Wind: 6.0 mphfrom the SE
Wind Gust: 18.0 mph
Pressure: 30.05 in (Steady)

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4753. Hhunter 13:43 GMT le 16 août 2009    
Quoting AussieStorm:

That's what some people in here will have you think, I on the other hand don't think that.


i think ana is scary because now it could slide into middle gulf...yikes

Bill east coast disaster movie potential
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4755. amd 13:44 GMT le 16 août 2009    
for all the hype about TD4, radar clearly shows that showers not even 50 miles to the north of the system are not being pulled into TD4. This is what Dr. Lyons mentioned in his tropical update. These showers can not be wrapped into the system because the pressures are just too high.

Also, with Humberto, pressures were already low over the western gulf before the storm began to develop, and an eye like feature was noticed when Humberto was a 45 mph tropical storm.

TD4 will be nothing like Humberto. Humberto's pressure was at 986 mb right before landfall, while TD4's pressure is supposedly 1011 mb.
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4756. MandyFSU 13:44 GMT le 16 août 2009    
LOVELY breeze here in Tallahassee. It feels SO NICE outside- even with the humidity.
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4757. tramp96 13:45 GMT le 16 août 2009    
Frank Straight on Accu says sometimes the models have the troughs coming in to fast
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4759. Hhunter 13:45 GMT le 16 août 2009    
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4760. Dakster 13:45 GMT le 16 août 2009    
Quoting tiggeriffic:
bounced in for just a few...tho i am no met... i have seen the so called wobble many times... especially over night...bill's center appears to be reforming...maybe even a tad to the south of the old one...if this is true then the models will shift again to the south closer to the UKMET...not that I trust the UKMET mind you...but radiational cooling does a lot to a forming storm...even big ones have eye wall replacement and they can reform in any direction of the original eye...no storm is a fish storm...last year a fish storm hit the UK...just cuz it isn't a US storm doesn't make it a fish storm by any means


Direction change or wobble wobble:

Link
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4761. KEHCharleston 13:45 GMT le 16 août 2009    
Quoting P451:


Nobody is messing with you guys. Navy site had Claudette. Weather456 saw it and posted it earlier as well if that would suit your interests.

It was listed as Claudette and then they changed it back to 04L. Why, I don't know.

Nobody is throwing the name out there without just cause. It was there.
I know it is annoying, several of us saw and reported it, I have a screen shot of it. (but decided it is not worth the effort to upload it.) Doesn't matter - it is TD4 for now, and a rose by another name is still a rose.
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4762. ITCZ 13:46 GMT le 16 août 2009    
We've had alot of rain here in Havana, near Tallahassee in the last few days. I hope may-be-Claudette is kind to us....
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4763. DoubleAction 13:46 GMT le 16 août 2009    
Quoting WeatherGirl80:
Anyone here think that TS Ana, IF it makes it to the GOM, could regenerate once it hits those unobstructed warm SST's?


The models show enough structure to regenerate when in the GOM. Expect at least a strong tropical storm. She might get stronger though since it would pass over waters with the highest energy in the gulf. Ana is a fighter and I would worry if she remains intact and gets in there.
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4764. homelesswanderer 13:46 GMT le 16 août 2009    
Could those rising pressures around td4 be the bermuda high building in? Forgive me if this a stupid question.:) won't be the first...
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4765. LightningCharmer 13:47 GMT le 16 août 2009    
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Quoting theshepherd:
Nope... My bad if that came across wrong, I was not reffering to you at all. Keyboards can be a bain on communications sometimes.
Clearer skies yep, mucked up water Yep.
I realize it could be refering to who I was refering to also. I did not take offense even if you really had ment it which I realize you didn't.

Was in the Keys yesterday in Islamorada. There were some good gusts in this overblown thunderstorm as some have refered to it but overall it was a rainmaker. Today you're going to need sunscreen or a good hat for your kayaking. It's a bright one outside. Good luck on the flats.
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4766. HurricaneKyle 13:47 GMT le 16 août 2009    
Quoting amd:
for all the hype about TD4, radar clearly shows that showers not even 50 miles to the north of the system are not being pulled into TD4. This is what Dr. Lyons mentioned in his tropical update. These showers can not be wrapped into the system because the pressures are just too high.

Also, with Humberto, pressures were already low over the western gulf before the storm began to develop, and an eye like feature was noticed when Humberto was a 45 mph tropical storm.

TD4 will be nothing like Humberto. Humberto's pressure was at 986 mb right before landfall, while TD4's pressure is supposedly 1011 mb.


TD4 is embedded in a area of high pressure, higher than normal, thats why the pressure is so high for TD4. Dr. Lyons said Pre-Ana and pre-Bill would dissipate and yesterday only briefly mentioned pre-TD4 but as you would expect didn't think much of it.
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4767. naplesdreamer28 13:47 GMT le 16 août 2009    
Heck, I can barely make out where Ana even is on the map! But, as with any of these storms, she looks to be moving into some warmer waters and could make a come back.

I also see the track she is so far taking, but any jog to the N would put it closer to FL, right?
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4768. WPBHurricane05 13:47 GMT le 16 août 2009    
The problem with the models is that these same models had Ana hitting S. Florida, now look where she is at. I'm gonna have to jump in the "the models are underestimating the high pressure" boat.

The UKMET has a pretty good handle on Ana, why not Bill? There is no way that whatever is left of Ana will go over Hispaniola when it is going 20 mph due west.

The UKMET is also the southern outlier with Bill too.
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4769. Thaale 13:47 GMT le 16 août 2009    
Models shifted Bill even more N and E at 8:00 AM and the GFS now has him going way E of Bermuda instead of right over. The wc crowd is getting desperate; instead of "follow the trend," it's "these things always zig-zag back and forth." Too bad for them it's been all zig.

The NHC track will yet again shift further up and right in an hour.
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4770. Walshy 13:47 GMT le 16 août 2009    
Quoting tiggeriffic:
bounced in for just a few...tho i am no met... i have seen the so called wobble many times... especially over night...bill's center appears to be reforming...maybe even a tad to the south of the old one...if this is true then the models will shift again to the south closer to the UKMET...not that I trust the UKMET mind you...but radiational cooling does a lot to a forming storm...even big ones have eye wall replacement and they can reform in any direction of the original eye...no storm is a fish storm...last year a fish storm hit the UK...just cuz it isn't a US storm doesn't make it a fish storm by any means



I think the east coast and Bermuda needs to watch Bill closely. If Bill is a major hurricane expect 1-10 deaths from Florida to North Carolina due to rough waves.
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4771. nrtiwlnvragn 13:47 GMT le 16 août 2009    
000
NOUS42 KNHC 161345
WEATHER RECONNAISSANCE FLIGHTS
CARCAH, NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER, MIAMI, FL.
0945 AM EDT SUN 16 AUGUST 2009
SUBJECT: TROPICAL CYCLONE PLAN OF THE DAY (TCPOD)
VALID 17/1100Z TO 18/1100Z AUGUST 2009
TCPOD NUMBER.....09-080

I. ATLANTIC REQUIREMENTS
1. TROPICAL STORM ANA
FLIGHT ONE -- TEAL 72
A. 17/1800Z,18/0000Z
B. AFXXX 0302A ANA
C. 17/1600Z
D. 16.8N 64.6W
E. 17/1700Z TO 18/0000Z
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT

FLIGHT TWO -- TEAL 73
A. 18/0600Z,1200Z
B. AFXXX 0402A ANA
C. 18/0330Z
D. 17.6N 68.2W
E. 18/0500Z TO 18/1200Z
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT

2. OUTLOOK FOR SUCCEEDING DAY: CONTINUE 6-HRLY FIXES IF
SYSTEM REMAINS A THREAT.

3. REMARKS: A RESOURCES PERMITTING TASKING ON TROPICAL
DEPRESSION 2 IN THE GULF OF MEXICO WILL BE LAUNCHED
TODAY AT 16/1500Z.


II. PACIFIC REQUIREMENTS
1. NEGATIVE RECONNAISSANCE REQUIREMENTS.
2. SUCCEEDING DAY OUTLOOK.....NEGATIVE.
JWP




I think they mean TD4 in the Gulf
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4773. CaneWarning 13:48 GMT le 16 août 2009    
Quoting theshepherd:
That speaks volumes.


Not sure what you mean by that, but the majority of people don't go anymore, especially outside of the "Bible belt". Anyway, I'm not going to discuss it further.
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4774. tiggeriffic 13:48 GMT le 16 août 2009    
TWC has td04 going toward Panama City at this point...people down play storms all the time, people die in flood water faster than wind all the time...think about it..you don't need a surge to die...the rain and floods in the Appalachian mts earlier this year killed a bunch...got family up there...no one expected anything like that just from rain..
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4775. PensacolaDoug 13:48 GMT le 16 août 2009    
Quoting WeatherGirl80:
Anyone here think that TS Ana, IF it makes it to the GOM, could regenerate once it hits those unobstructed warm SST's?



Thats a real big "IF">
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4776. TheDawnAwakening 13:48 GMT le 16 août 2009    
Pressures just seem out of wack for a storm that looks as good as TD4. Maybe this will be known as the almost Humberto.
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4777. bajelayman2 13:48 GMT le 16 août 2009    
Quoting leftovers:
reason surfers get wrapped up on drugs just not enough surf thank god for bill


Ya want a cargo ship to drop you into Bill's centre, for REAL waves?

;-)
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4778. MandyFSU 13:49 GMT le 16 août 2009    
ITCZ- you're right near me then! I'm in Tallahassee!
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4780. WeatherGirl80 13:51 GMT le 16 août 2009    
Anyone here think that TS Ana, IF it makes it to the GOM, could regenerate once it hits those warm SST's?
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4781. HurricaneKyle 13:51 GMT le 16 août 2009    
Quoting TheDawnAwakening:
Pressures just seem out of wack for a storm that looks as good as TD4. Maybe this will be known as the almost Humberto.


Refer to post 4766. :)
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4782. stormpetrol 13:51 GMT le 16 août 2009    
I think Ana is now an open wave.
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4783. weatherwiz 13:51 GMT le 16 août 2009    
By the 11am advisory TD#4 should be Claudette. The definition of this storm is good and multiple feeder bands are present, it won't have no time to strengthen though so I don't think a hurricane would be imminent.
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4784. Golladan 13:52 GMT le 16 août 2009    
Quoting stormpetrol:

great quikscat of "Bill" COC around 11.5N in my estimation.


Which puts him much south of what the satellite images make you believe.
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4785. Cotillion 13:52 GMT le 16 août 2009    
Ana has actually managed to hide beneath her convection for about 2 hours now. Almost tempted to give her a medal.

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4787. LightningCharmer 13:53 GMT le 16 août 2009    
Quoting cajunkid:
Hah, I thought pressure was too high for anything to develop in the gulf. When are people going to learn...never proclaim things as absolutes when dealing with weather
I'm no expert but have been studying weather as a hobby since childhood. It's not the pressure per se or absolute. It's the pressure relative to the surrounding area. The pressure in TD4 is not that low but lower than the surrounding pressure hence it's a low.
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4788. amd 13:53 GMT le 16 août 2009    
Quoting Thaale:
Models shifted Bill even more N and E at 8:00 AM and the GFS now has him going way E of Bermuda instead of right over. The wc crowd is getting desperate; instead of "follow the trend," it's "these things always zig-zag back and forth." Too bad for them it's been all zig.

The NHC track will yet again shift further up and right in an hour.


I agree, with one major caveat. I think the models are really overdoing the intensity of Bill. Dry air is in the core of Bill right now, as shown by the latest imagery. Also, many of these same models a couple days ago had Bill approaching hurricane strength at this time, but that simply has not occurred.

So, even though all indications are that Bill will turn out to sea well in advance of any land mass, I would like to see more strengthening before that is an absolute certainty. JMHO.
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4790. TheDawnAwakening 13:55 GMT le 16 août 2009    
Quoting HurricaneKyle:


Refer to post 4766. :)


Thanks I saw that post after I posted.
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4791. stormpetrol 13:54 GMT le 16 août 2009    
Quoting Golladan:


Which puts him much south of what the satellite images make you believe.

Correct and contrary to the thoughts of some here "Bill" is still moving due west its just the expansion of this storm giving the illusion of a WNW movement, just my opinion of course.
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4793. weatherwiz 13:55 GMT le 16 août 2009    
Ana will more and likely be downgraded to a tropical depression or just a tropical low. This storm has endured extreme amounts of dry air from the north.
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4794. java162 13:55 GMT le 16 août 2009    
looking at the models, the islands of guadeloupe and dominica are in the center of ana's path. cananyone explain to me why none of these islands have posted tropical storm advisories?
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4795. Nolehead 13:55 GMT le 16 août 2009    
surf alert for the GOM....i'm sure surfmom is already in.....heading to PC in a few hours gonaa hit Amazons...time for some real stuff for a change....waxem if you got em.....
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4796. WPBHurricane05 13:55 GMT le 16 août 2009    
Quoting Cotillion:
Ana has actually managed to hide beneath her convection for about 2 hours now. Almost tempted to give her a medal.



Her environment is starting to moisten up.
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4799. stormpetrol 13:56 GMT le 16 août 2009    

can't make out a closed low on Ana, maybe semi closed but thats it, jmo
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4800. bajelayman2 13:59 GMT le 16 août 2009    
Quoting leftovers:
rehab is rehab. good luck in barbados this yr


LOL. Thanks.
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4801. Orcasystems 13:57 GMT le 16 août 2009    
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