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Fred is dead; the Atlantic is quiet
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 13:16 GMT le 13 septembre 2009 +4
Hurricane Fred is dead, thanks to strong wind shear that finished tearing the storm apart yesterday. While the remains of Fred have generated a burst of heavy thunderstorms this morning, prohibitively high wind shear of 40 - 50 knots today through Monday will prevent regeneration, and should be able to completely disrupt the remnant circulation of Fred.

A tropical wave about 200 miles southeast of the Cape Verdes Islands, just off the coast of Africa, remains disorganized. This morning's QuikSCAT pass showed an elongated circulation, and one spot of 45 mph winds in the small clump of heavy thunderstorms on the south side of the circulation. The wave is under about 20 knots of wind shear, and may show some slow development beginning Monday, when the shear should drop below 20 knots. NHC is giving this system a low (less than 30% chance) or developing into a tropical depression by Tuesday.

A low pressure system that was over the Texas Gulf of Mexico coast has moved inland, and is not a threat to develop into a tropical cyclone. Tropical storm development is possible this week along a frontal zone stretching from Florida to the waters between the Bahamas and North Carolina. However, wind shear will be relatively high in this region, and anything that develops may end up being extratropical in nature.


Figure 1. The remains of Tropical Storm Fred (left) appear as a swirl of low-level clouds with a clump of heavy thunderstorm activity on the north side. A new tropical disturbance near the coast of Africa is disorganized, due to 20 knots of wind shear.

Twenty years ago on this date
On September 13, 1989, Tropical Storm Hugo continued its westward march at 20 mph towards the Lesser Antilles Islands. Shortly after midnight on the 13th, satellite analysts at the National Hurricane Center noted a Central Dense Overcast (CDO) of thick cirrus clouds was forming over the center. The CDO was evidence that Hugo was beginning to build an eyewall. The thunderstorms in the eyewall were now powerful enough to lift large amounts of moisture 45,000 feet high, where the stable air of the stratosphere lay. Unable to penetrate into the stratosphere, the air lifted by Hugo's thunderstorms was forced to spread outward into a thick, circular layer of cirrus clouds--the CDO--that hid the storm's core. The mystery of what was happening beneath the Central Dense Overcast became apparent a few hours later, when a murky eye appeared. At 8 am EDT on the 13th, the National Hurricane Center upgraded Hugo to hurricane status.

At NOAA's Office of Aircraft Operations--the hurricane hunting division of NOAA--we busily prepared for tomorrow's deployment to Barbados of both of our P-3 Orion hurricane hunting aircraft. There were dropsondes and Air-Expendable Bathythermographs to load, computer checks to make, and calibration data to load. We chatted excitedly about the new hurricane that looked like an excellent case study for the hurricane scientists. But there was also an undercurrent of uneasiness to our cheerful preparations. We knew that a Cape Verdes-type hurricane like Hugo that was still 2 - 3 days from the Lesser Antilles would probably kill a lot of people--perhaps even close to home, here in Florida.

In a letter I wrote that night to my soon-to-be-fiancee, Diane, in Michigan, I said: "Well, that dark enveloping death feeling is back again, much stronger than before. I know Hugo the hurricane will kill people and I feel it coming close to here".


Figure 2. GOES visible satellite image of Hurricane Hugo taken on September 13, 1989. Image credit: Google Earth rendition of the NOAA HURSAT data base.

Jeff Masters


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1051. IKE 12:21 GMT le 14 septembre 2009    
SAINTHURRIFAN...when was the last time you saw me arguing with 456?

SAINTHURRIFAN...go back and look at 2008. After IKE. A cold-front came through within a matter of a week. A substantial cold front. Now look at how many systems affected the northern gulf-coast after that happened....

I never said it was completely over with if a strong cold-front came through here. Read my post above...

If that front comes true and pushes through the SE USA, it's getting real close to being over along the northern GOM.


Those are my opinions and I moved on. Just like you said we should do on here.

I'll be waiting for your answer to my question.
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1052. ElConando 12:23 GMT le 14 septembre 2009    
Drak was on almost everyday before school started lol.
btw 23 has plagarised other material I caught him about a week or two ago doing so.

Quiet time in the Atlantic, enjoy it while it lasts a weak el nino can hold onto quiet conditions in the Atlantic basin for so long in Sept.

have a nice day :)
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1055. Chicklit 12:50 GMT le 14 septembre 2009    
Looking forward to Dr. M's next installment of 'flying into Hurricane Hugo.'

Also curious about there being two planes and wonder if that is significant.


He said they were flying out of Barbados.
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1057. jpsb 13:05 GMT le 14 septembre 2009    
Quoting leftovers:
seems like all the characters are burned out. it like little league baseball at the end of the season all the parents are ready for it to end. unfornately there might be a surprise. plenty of suspect areas.
What's up with that blob right in front of the leeward islands?
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1058. Dodabear 13:06 GMT le 14 septembre 2009    
Quoting Chicklit:
Looking forward to Dr. M's next installment of 'flying into Hurricane Hugo.'
Also curious about there being two planes and wonder if that is significant.

He said they were flying out of Barbados.


If you look up on the right side of this page under "recommended links" you will see one for "flying into Hugo" and that will end your wait and answer your questions.
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1059. ZvoneCro 13:12 GMT le 14 septembre 2009    
Hi to all, my first post here. I have question regarding remnants of Fred. If it regenerates into tropical storm or even hurricane, would it still be Fred or in that case it gets new name?
1060. Dodabear 13:15 GMT le 14 septembre 2009    
Quoting ZvoneCro:
Hi to all, my first post here. I have question regarding remnants of Fred. If it regenerates into tropical storm or even hurricane, would it still be Fred or in that case it gets new name?

Fred
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1061. stormwatcherCI 13:16 GMT le 14 septembre 2009    
Quoting jpsb:
What's up with that blob right in front of the leeward islands?
I was looking at that too and wondering.
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1062. hydrus 13:30 GMT le 14 septembre 2009    
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
I was looking at that too and wondering.
The hurricane center was talking about about that one yesterday, it is officially a wave.
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1063. PensacolaDoug 13:43 GMT le 14 septembre 2009    
E Carrib is dead zone.
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1064. hydrus 13:56 GMT le 14 septembre 2009    
Good morning kori-was wondering if you ever read my post about the 1982 storm.
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1066. vortextrance 14:06 GMT le 14 septembre 2009    
If Fred remnants regenerate it would not be Fred. It would get the next available name. This sit happened with Katrina. I don't believe it got past TD level but it fell apart. When it regenerated it got the next TD number.
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1067. Floodman 14:10 GMT le 14 septembre 2009    
Quoting Weather456:
Tropical Update for Monday 14 September 2009

Have a great day as downcasters will be out in force today.

:)



Yep...be prepared for "the season is over, see you next year" about 200 times to day
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1068. ElConando 14:14 GMT le 14 septembre 2009    
Quoting vortextrance:
If Fred remnants regenerate it would not be Fred. It would get the next available name. This sit happened with Katrina. I don't believe it got past TD level but it fell apart. When it regenerated it got the next TD number.


No it would become TD Fred if it redevelops. It still has a circulation. With Katrina the earlier td fell apart and its remnants, NOT a remnant low help form the TD that spawned Katrina.
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1069. IKE 14:15 GMT le 14 septembre 2009    
SAINTHURRIFAN...thanks for answering my question
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1070. Floodman 14:17 GMT le 14 septembre 2009    
Quoting ElConando:
Drak was on almost everyday before school started lol.
btw 23 has plagarised other material I caught him about a week or two ago doing so.

Quiet time in the Atlantic, enjoy it while it lasts a weak el nino can hold onto quiet conditions in the Atlantic basin for so long in Sept.

have a nice day :)


The word you are looking for is "plagiarized" and, much like the weather, just because you say it doesn't make it so...
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1071. rareaire 14:18 GMT le 14 septembre 2009    
Were lap 100 in a 200 mile race and its over? It never is dull in here, i'll say that! Mornin Flood and weather456

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1072. Floodman 14:19 GMT le 14 septembre 2009    
Quoting rareaire:
Were lap 100 in a 200 mile race and its over? It never is dull in here, i'll say that! Mornin Flood and weather456



Howdy, rare, my okie buddy...how was the weekend?
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1073. ElConando 14:19 GMT le 14 septembre 2009    
Quoting Floodman:


The word you are looking for is "plagiarized" and, much like the weather, just because you say it doesn't make it so...


so you want proof?
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1074. stoormfury 14:20 GMT le 14 septembre 2009    
the area 7N 37w Looks a bit interesting. somehow reminds me of the initial pre existing spin of Ivan
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1075. SAINTHURRIFAN 14:20 GMT le 14 septembre 2009    
sorry it took me so long to reply ike had a vp meeting, thats the breaks when you have 4500 employees working for you lol. what i stated was this constant nipping at each other thta started with erika. al so 456 has been nipping back at you about the gulf system and constant rip alantics dead post.and in reference to 2008,as you stated that was one year i ggave you examples of many plus was last year a el nino year? and with so many troughs in and out of the gulf wouldnt it be more likely for a bay of campeechie system to go notheast opal?
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1076. rareaire 14:21 GMT le 14 septembre 2009    
great finally got my daughters 69 buick Skylark convertible painted after 18 months of repairing it! Looks great if I do say so myself!
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1077. PanhandleChuck 14:22 GMT le 14 septembre 2009    
Good mornin' all. Hey Ike, I've been working all weekend and I just pulled up the CMC. What in the world is it picking up on in about 84 hours and ramming it right down our throats?
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1078. rareaire 14:23 GMT le 14 septembre 2009    
Im off to get breakfast and some coffee check in on you guys later, Be good
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1079. Floodman 14:24 GMT le 14 septembre 2009    
Quoting ElConando:


so you want proof?


Yes, please; I'd also like to see the statement he made that the inofrmation was written or created by him...in addition to that, I want to see any forecasts you've made where you've provided the provenance of the data...
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1080. TheDawnAwakening 14:26 GMT le 14 septembre 2009    
Choi-Wan now a category two typhoon and is improving imensely. MNF in 8 and a half hours.
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1081. Floodman 14:26 GMT le 14 septembre 2009    
Quoting ElConando:


so you want proof?


Oh, by the way, WUMail it to me, if you would...I have an emergency dental appointment I'm on my way out to and it would be easier than me having to dig through the blog in a couple of hours trying to find it

Thanks!
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1082. WxLogic 14:32 GMT le 14 septembre 2009    
Good morning...
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1083. IKE 14:32 GMT le 14 septembre 2009    
Quoting SAINTHURRIFAN:
sorry it took me so long to reply ike had a vp meeting, thats the breaks when you have 4500 employees working for you lol. what i stated was this constant nipping at each other thta started with erika. al so 456 has been nipping back at you about the gulf system and constant rip alantics dead post.and in reference to 2008,as you stated that was one year i ggave you examples of many plus was last year a el nino year? and with so many troughs in and out of the gulf wouldnt it be more likely for a bay of campeechie system to go notheast opal?


I don't talk to him. As far as what he says to me...I don't know or care what he says to me.

Yes, I had a disagreement with him when Erika was around. Since then, I've taken care of the problem on my end. He can fire away all he wants to.

Check back on his blogs. When he was made a featured blogger, I was one of the first to congratulate him. When Bill looked like it was aiming at his area, I posted on his blog wishing him luck.

Last year was not an El Nino year.

Have a nice day. I'm sorry, I didn't know you were unable to reply because of your job.

As far as the 2009 Atlantic hurricane season...it's the weather. I have more important things in my life to worry about, like my health and being able to pay my bills each month. Most people have more important things to worry about than the tropics.



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1084. SAINTHURRIFAN 14:38 GMT le 14 septembre 2009    
amen ike but some on here make me wonder with the time they have to spend on here, back to lurking for another 3 years lol
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1085. IKE 14:38 GMT le 14 septembre 2009    
NEW BLOG!
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1086. IKE 14:40 GMT le 14 septembre 2009    
Quoting SAINTHURRIFAN:
amen ike but some on here make me wonder with the time they have to spend on here, back to lurking for another 3 years lol


Saint...I work out of my house...a lot of my job is dealing with insurance companies on the net. I hope that explains why I'm on here...off and on.

Have a nice day.
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1089. antonio28 15:45 GMT le 14 septembre 2009    
Quoting leftovers:
fred is dead


Yeap R.I.P. Grace coming up in a few days...
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