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Typhoon Mirinae less destructive than feared for Philippines
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 14:15 GMT le 31 octobre 2009 +1
Typhoon Mirinae blew through the Philippines' Luzon Island yesterday as a borderline Category 1 to 2 typhoon with top winds of 95 - 100 mph. Due to the rapid forward motion of the typhoon and a sharp decrease in the storm's organization just prior to landfall, rainfall amounts from the typhoon were less than six inches over Luzon. The eye of Mirinae passed over the capital of Manila, where winds peaked at minimal tropical storm force, 39 mph, with gusts to 56 mph, at 6 am local time Saturday. Nearby weather stations recorded sustained winds as high as 44 mph, and rainfall amounts of 2 - 3 inches. Though Mirinae is being blamed for at least 11 deaths, with 7 people still missing, it's fair to say that the typhoon largely spared the Philippines. The Manila Bulletin is reporting that a tornado (called an "ipo-ipo" there) injured ten and destroyed some 60 houses in Cavite and Ternate as Mirinae swept through.

Mirinae, now just a tropical storm with 65 mph winds, is currently over the South China Sea. Mirinae is expected to make landfall in south-central Vietnam near 00 UTC on Monday, November 2. As Mirinae approaches Vietnam, wind shear will increase, sea surface temperatures and the total heat content of the ocean will sharply decrease, and the storm will encounter cooler, more stable air. These negative influences should make Mirinae a 45 - 55 mph tropical storm at landfall in Vietnam.


Figure 1. Filipinos watch the onslaught of Typhoon Mirinae on Saturday. Image credit: Jim Edds. His extremestorms.com website has images and videos from the landfall of Mirinae.

Quiet in the Atlantic
A non-tropical low pressure system in the middle Atlantic Ocean, near 30N 50W, 700 miles east of Bermuda, has cut off from the jet stream. This low will slowly wander westward toward Bermuda over the next three days. It is possible that the low will spend enough time over water to acquire some tropical characteristics and become Subtropical Storm Ida, though I put the chances at low, less than 30%. SSTs are 25 - 26° C in the region, which is barely warm enough to support a tropical storm. Wind shear is high, 30 - 50 knots, and there is a large amount of dry air to the west of the low, so no development will occur today. The storm is expected to recurve to the north well east of Bermuda on Tuesday.

None of the reliable computer models is calling for tropical storm development in the Atlantic over the next seven days. The GFS and NOGAPS models are calling for a tropical storm to form off the Pacific coast of Mexico near the Guatemala border by the middle of next week, and it is possible that this development could occur on the Atlantic side of Central America instead, as suggested by the Canadian model.

Jeff Masters
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101. Patrap 20:18 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
Quoting pilotguy1:
I suppose Richard Lindzen is a nut job also? Some of his observations and conclusions are very interesting.



Indeed ..I've read some of his published work.
As he's a scientist,and a well respected one.

Richard Lindzen
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103. HadesGodWyvern 20:20 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
Joint Typhoon Warning

Tropical Disturbance Summary (1800z 31OCT)
============================================
An area of convection (99S) located at 9.2S 57.6E or 850 NM northeast of Antananarivo, Madagascar. Animated multispectral imagery shows a broad circulation with sporadic convection firing over the low level circulation center. A 1427z Quikscat Pass depicts an elongated line of cyclonic convergence that extends northeast to southwest for approximately 180 NM. The Quikscat Pass shows winds are strongest on the western half with unflagged 15-20 knots dominating, and a few 20-25 knot wind barbs intermixed. Upper level analysis shows the low level circulation is located under a subtropical ridge axis, providing good poleward outflow. Additionally, vertical wind shear along the axis at low to moderate levels (10-15 knots). Sea surface temperatures are marginal at 26-28C for development.

Maximum sustained winds near the center is 20-25 knots with a minimum sea level pressure of 1007 MB. Based on an low level circulation center that is still organizing, but has favorable upper level outflow, marginal sea surface temperatures, and low vertical wind shear, the potential for this disturbance to form into a significant tropical cyclone within the next 24 hours is FAIR.
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105. winter123 20:23 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
Video on Maryland's sinking Smith Island... very interesting. Now I'm leaving for real.

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106. Patrap 20:23 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
Quoting pilotguy1:
I plead guilty to skewness. I think Algore is a flake and a fraud. Other than that I am just another guy looking for awswers.



Well..Al Gore is a fellow Veteran,who served his country well,as a Congressman,Senator and V. P...and I applaud his efforts to raise the level of consciousness on the Subject Matter.



"Gore also chose to enlist because he did not want someone to go in his place. Actor Tommy Lee Jones (a former housemate) later recalled Gore saying that "if he found a fancy way of not going, someone else would have to go in his place."His Harvard advisor, Richard Neustadt, also stated that Gore, "decided that he would have to go and that he would have to go as an enlisted man because, he said, 'In Tennessee, that's what most people have to do.'
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107. gordydunnot 20:31 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
Pat how dare you question a Viscount, not to mention Lord Beck. Get back in line you commie.
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108. portcharlotte 20:42 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
Quoting Patrap:



Well..Al Gore is a fellow Veteran,who served his country well,as a Congressman,Senator and V. P...and I applaud his efforts to raise the level of consciousness on the Subject Matter.



"Gore also chose to enlist because he did not want someone to go in his place. Actor Tommy Lee Jones (a former housemate) later recalled Gore saying that "if he found a fancy way of not going, someone else would have to go in his place."His Harvard advisor, Richard Neustadt, also stated that Gore, "decided that he would have to go and that he would have to go as an enlisted man because, he said, 'In Tennessee, that's what most people have to do.'


I support him also and dis-approve of those who like to discuss Al Gore in a negative way on this blog. I owe my 14 year career in the NWS to a program that Al Gore initiated to help low income College Students to enter summer jobs as interns with NOAA and therby gain experience. That program was abolished by the following administration. Thanks AL Gore!
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109. Patrap 20:44 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
Quoting gordydunnot:
Pat how dare you question a Viscount, not to mention Lord Beck. Get back in line you commie.


Смеяться над вне громко. Да господин, камрад,..!

LOL
Yes Sir Comrade..!
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110. 789 20:49 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
Quoting Weather456:


For a forecaster, I would make the rain forecast a bit earlier than expected because you do not want to make it too late after the rain has fell. You cannot precisely predict rainfall but you can give a period.

For a computer model, some are simply just faster than others.




thanks for your reponse have a great day!
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112. jipmg 20:52 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
yellow circle
113. Cavin Rawlins 20:54 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
Frontal Ropes form along the boundary of well-define semi-sharp fronts where differential advection of warm tropical air rolls over cold polar air.

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114. gordydunnot 20:55 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
My God, a double agent I bet. Oh well I still think we have a shot a development next week off Panama, Nicaragua or the Yucatan as the doc said. Seems vorticity is picking up in the area as well as moisture. Lastly sorry to blow your cover Pat.
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117. Patrap 21:05 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    


Why Gulfie..I believe you had a Emotional response..
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118. wunderkidcayman 21:05 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
hey guys our sw carib AOI has a increase and increasing vort

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119. gordydunnot 21:05 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
456 thats pretty interesting does that mean the front is slowing up or speeding up or neither. Sill never had noticed that before. Would love to see some cool air in S. Fl.
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121. portcharlotte 21:17 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
Quoting wunderkidcayman:
hey guys our sw carib AOI has a increase and increasing vort



Great..let's get it going. We need rain in Florida!!! It's part of our climate!!!
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123. Cavin Rawlins 21:20 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
Quoting gordydunnot:
456 thats pretty interesting does that mean the front is slowing up or speeding up or neither. Sill never had noticed that before. Would love to see some cool air in S. Fl.


When ever you see a frontal rope, it indicates a semi-sharp discontinuity between 2 air masses and in this case it is continental polar air from the Southern Plains and Tropical Maritime air from the GOM. The cold airmass is shallow and so the tropical airmass rides over it and back a pretty far distance and that is why the cloud cover covers a broad swath. It indicates the cold airmass is not dense enough to advance forward so the front is slow moving or near normal speed.

A fast moving cold front usual spawns squall lines like the one from a few nights ago.
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124. DrNo 21:21 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
Re: #120...

Glenn Beck's opinions are as valid as yours...

NOW STICK TO THE WEATHER!
125. stormpetrol 21:21 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
Quoting wunderkidcayman:
hey guys our sw carib AOI has a increase and increasing vort


I still that area has the potential for "mischief".
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126. gordydunnot 21:22 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
Last political post, but it just amazes me when we have such liberal media allegedly in this country, how a man who voluntarily enlisted in the military after graduating from college when he didn't have too. Won two purple hearts, and if you question those awards talk to anyone that was on a pt boat in the Mekong river an it sure was more dangerous than siting at home. and two other fellows did everything in their power with their well connected families to avoid service flip flopped the record and had Gore swift boated. If the truth draws a ban, insignificant for the truth...
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127. wunderkidcayman 21:23 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
Quoting portcharlotte:


Great..let's get it going. We need rain in Florida!!! It's part of our climate!!!

we need it to and bad
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128. wunderkidcayman 21:23 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
Quoting portcharlotte:


Great..let's get it going. We need rain in Florida!!! It's part of our climate!!!

we need it to and bad
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129. gordydunnot 21:26 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
Thanks 456 you answered makes all the sense.
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130. docrod 21:30 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
Quoting Weather456:
Frontal Ropes form along the boundary of well-define semi-sharp fronts where differential advection of warm tropical air rolls over cold polar air.



Thank you for this post ... been watching that one all day. BTW - must be close to a full moon and Halloween - this blog's gone spooky and lunar.
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132. futuremet 21:55 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
The models are showing some interesting stuff lately. They are showing that the stagnant ridging pattern over the east coast will soon end. They are showing significant troughing to occur over the east coast again (yay).

However, the GFS is showing increasing moisture over the western caribbean and upper level anticyclogenesis. The latest GEM models have been hinting tropical cyclogenesis; only time will substantiate this.
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133. futuremet 21:57 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
Quoting Weather456:


When ever you see a frontal rope, it indicates a semi-sharp discontinuity between 2 air masses and in this case it is continental polar air from the Southern Plains and Tropical Maritime air from the GOM. The cold airmass is shallow and so the tropical airmass rides over it and back a pretty far distance and that is why the cloud cover covers a broad swath. It indicates the cold airmass is not dense enough to advance forward so the front is slow moving or near normal speed.

A fast moving cold front usual spawns squall lines like the one from a few nights ago.


Excellent

+1
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135. Grothar 22:25 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    


Is this the blob in the Caribbean will might be talking about soon. Shear maps, who has the shear maps?
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136. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 22:33 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    


AOI/XX/XL
MARK
30.4N/51.2W
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137. Grothar 22:35 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:


AOI/XX/XL
MARK
30.4N/51.2W


Is that cyclogenesis or anticyclogenesis?
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138. IKE 22:40 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
Long-range GFS shows a significant trough in the east in about 10-11 days. Latest ECMWF shows it too. If it holds true, may be close to the first freeze along the northern gulf-coast...

18Z GFS at 252 hours....

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139. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 22:44 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
Quoting Grothar:


Is that cyclogenesis or anticyclogenesis?




The initial frontal wave (or low pressure area) forms at the location of the red dot on the image. It is usually perpendicular (at a right angle to) the leaf-like cloud formation (baroclinic leaf) seen on satellite during the early stage of cyclogenesis. The location of the axis of the upper level jet stream is in light blue.
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140. Grothar 22:48 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:




The initial frontal wave (or low pressure area) forms at the location of the red dot on the image. It is usually perpendicular (at a right angle to) the leaf-like cloud formation (baroclinic leaf) seen on satellite during the early stage of cyclogenesis. The location of the axis of the upper level jet stream is in light blue.


Thanks Keeper, I understand everything perfectly now, it is cyclogenesis, right. Where were you when I was taking Geometry?
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141. Grothar 22:50 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    


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142. Cavin Rawlins 22:50 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
Quoting Grothar:


Is that cyclogenesis or anticyclogenesis?


cyclogenesis
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143. Grothar 22:52 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
Quoting Weather456:


cyclogenesis


Hi, Weather, look at post #140. I finally got one right! Beat ya this time.
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144. Grothar 22:53 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
Where did all the bloggers go?
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145. DVG 22:55 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
I have no idea about gw, but I do know Al Gore
is making a fortune from it.
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146. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 22:56 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
144. Grothar 6:53 PM EDT on October 31, 2009
Where did all the bloggers go?
Action: Quote | Ignore User






out trick or treating
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147. AwakeInMaryland 23:12 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
144. Grothar 6:53 PM EDT on October 31, 2009
Where did all the bloggers go?
Action: Quote | Ignore User






out trick or treating

BOO!
...& greeting the little tricksters...
ankle-bitin' canines want to EAT them...
Later!
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148. xcool 23:15 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    


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149. docrod 23:16 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
Quoting DVG:
I have no idea about gw, but I do know Al Gore
is making a fortune from it.


poof
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150. Cavin Rawlins 23:18 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    
Halloween Hurricane of 1991

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151. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 23:19 GMT le 31 octobre 2009    

2009 BLOB WATCHIN SEASON



HAPPY HALLOWEEN
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