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Typhoon Mirinae less destructive than feared for Philippines
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 14:15 GMT le 31 octobre 2009 +1
Typhoon Mirinae blew through the Philippines' Luzon Island yesterday as a borderline Category 1 to 2 typhoon with top winds of 95 - 100 mph. Due to the rapid forward motion of the typhoon and a sharp decrease in the storm's organization just prior to landfall, rainfall amounts from the typhoon were less than six inches over Luzon. The eye of Mirinae passed over the capital of Manila, where winds peaked at minimal tropical storm force, 39 mph, with gusts to 56 mph, at 6 am local time Saturday. Nearby weather stations recorded sustained winds as high as 44 mph, and rainfall amounts of 2 - 3 inches. Though Mirinae is being blamed for at least 11 deaths, with 7 people still missing, it's fair to say that the typhoon largely spared the Philippines. The Manila Bulletin is reporting that a tornado (called an "ipo-ipo" there) injured ten and destroyed some 60 houses in Cavite and Ternate as Mirinae swept through.

Mirinae, now just a tropical storm with 65 mph winds, is currently over the South China Sea. Mirinae is expected to make landfall in south-central Vietnam near 00 UTC on Monday, November 2. As Mirinae approaches Vietnam, wind shear will increase, sea surface temperatures and the total heat content of the ocean will sharply decrease, and the storm will encounter cooler, more stable air. These negative influences should make Mirinae a 45 - 55 mph tropical storm at landfall in Vietnam.


Figure 1. Filipinos watch the onslaught of Typhoon Mirinae on Saturday. Image credit: Jim Edds. His extremestorms.com website has images and videos from the landfall of Mirinae.

Quiet in the Atlantic
A non-tropical low pressure system in the middle Atlantic Ocean, near 30N 50W, 700 miles east of Bermuda, has cut off from the jet stream. This low will slowly wander westward toward Bermuda over the next three days. It is possible that the low will spend enough time over water to acquire some tropical characteristics and become Subtropical Storm Ida, though I put the chances at low, less than 30%. SSTs are 25 - 26° C in the region, which is barely warm enough to support a tropical storm. Wind shear is high, 30 - 50 knots, and there is a large amount of dry air to the west of the low, so no development will occur today. The storm is expected to recurve to the north well east of Bermuda on Tuesday.

None of the reliable computer models is calling for tropical storm development in the Atlantic over the next seven days. The GFS and NOGAPS models are calling for a tropical storm to form off the Pacific coast of Mexico near the Guatemala border by the middle of next week, and it is possible that this development could occur on the Atlantic side of Central America instead, as suggested by the Canadian model.

Jeff Masters
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201. stormpetrol 01:12 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Quoting Weather456:


Don't the USA change over 2am 2mr?

I will only be 1 hr ahead of you guys.

What's your thoughts on the SW Caribbean?
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202. Cavin Rawlins 01:14 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Quoting DrNo:
Why should an American station worry about the rest of the world? I think people need to rely more on themselves, not the US for everything.

NOW TALK WEATHER!!!


Why?

Well DrNo its called "Tropical Update" which covers everyone in the Atlantic and Eastern Pacific tropics.

Furthermore, TWC derives most of their forecast from the NHC whose AOR is the Atlantic and Pacific Basin from Africa to 140W.
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203. Grothar 01:16 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Quoting stormpetrol:

What's your thoughts on the SW Caribbean?




There's a blob! Small and disorganized, but still a blob.
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204. Cavin Rawlins 01:17 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Quoting stormpetrol:

What's your thoughts on the SW Caribbean?


The area of showers lies in a diffluent zone southeast of an upper low at the base of a frontal trough moving through the GOM. A tropical wave and surface trough is also aiding in the instability. I do not expect development as the features head west.
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205. DrNo 01:18 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
And peace to you, friend...
206. stormpetrol 01:18 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Quoting Grothar:




There's a blob! Small and disorganized, but still a blob.

So True, and from small blobs sometimes they become "big things".
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207. Cavin Rawlins 01:20 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
QS did not catch the center but look at the winds with our gale center

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208. stormpetrol 01:21 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Quoting Weather456:


The area of showers lies in a diffluent zone southeast of an upper low at the base of a frontal trough moving through the GOM. A tropical wave and surface trough is also aiding in the instability. I do not expect development as the features head west.

Thanks.
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209. Cavin Rawlins 01:23 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Is that a cold front trying to invade our area..looks like it will dissipate before doing so.

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211. Patrap 01:36 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Quoting stormpetrol:

Katrina is overated in my opinion, it was the leves(sp) that gave way that really gave Katrina its reputation( not to discount Katrina's power) My take is Ivan 2004 , not because I live through & survived it, it was probably the most powerful hurricane that ever cruised the Atlantic in my opinion & underrated imo, this crap about mbs I don't buy into , for example Gilbert crossed us in 1988 about the same distance as Ivan and in my opinion was just a summer squall compared to Ivan, Ivan destroyed some the best built houses & buildings on Grand Cayman, not boasting, just the facts, this was definitely the Greatest terror( Atlantic Hurricanewise) of all times & very underrated in my personal opinion.


Well,sport,,those of us who experienced K from Ala to Houma La..may beg to differ with you in regards to K being overrated.

Bottom Line,1600 Deaths in 3 States..and 250,000 homes destroyed ..will always be the true story of her Power. Oh and Ivan took Lives in Fla and Ala in the States too.

And to be sure..Cat Size isnt the determining factor of a Canes Strength,Surge is. Not any Cat 3 ever produced a 30 ft storm surge,that Im aware of. The SSS is outmoded and dated,as Katrina ,Gustav and Ike showed us all.

Never willy nilly another's calamity,..its in the worst taste.

Show me another Hurricane that takes 3 hours to drive thru the impact zone.
And I'll eat my USMC hat Here.

Your the Biggest Caribbean wishcaster among the fine group down under.




Katrina NOAA Index Base Map




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212. stormwatcherCI 01:37 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Quoting DrNo:


Face reality, friend. They are forgettable... people tend to focus on their own situation. You choose to live there. Enough said...
How can you say he chooses to live there when it is his native country. Yes, we have native Caymanians and yes, we wouldn't live anywhere else. Guess what, I am American by birth and I love the US but I also love the place I CHOOSE to live. The Cayman Islands. Ivan devastated us as Katrina devastated the US and TWC and other US based TV stations had continuous coverage when Katrina was headed to the US, yet when Ivan threatened the Caribbean islands there was hardly a mention. This information was relayed to me after the hurricane hit us by my father who lives in Tampa. Sorry for being so longwinded but there are other places besides the US that have lives with value.
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213. jipmg 01:41 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Quoting Patrap:


Well,sport,,those of us who experienced K from Ala to Houma La..may beg to differ with you in regards to K being overrated.

Bottom Line,1600 Deaths in 3 States..and 250,000 homes destroyed ..will always be the true story of her Power. Oh and Ivan took Lives in Fla and Ala in the States too.

And to be sure..Cat Size isnt the determining factor of a Canes Strength,Surge is. Not any Cat 3 ever produced a 30 ft storm surge,that Im aware of. The SSS is outmoded and dated,as Katrina ,Gustav and Ike showed us all.

Never willy nilly another's calamity,..its in the worst taste.

Show me another Hurricane that takes 3 hours to drive thru the impact zone.
And I'll eat my USMC hat Here.

Your the Biggest Caribbean wishcaster among the fine group down under.




Katrina NOAA Index Base Map






Yes but had the city had proper levee sytems it wouldn't have flooded the way it did.. Also I think a CATEGORY 5 hitting new orleans would wipe it off the map, Katrina did not do that.
214. stormwatcherCI 01:43 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Quoting Patrap:


Well,sport,,those of us who experienced K from Ala to Houma La..may beg to differ with you in regards to K being overrated.

Bottom Line,1600 Deaths in 3 States..and 250,000 homes destroyed ..will always be the true story of her Power. Oh and Ivan took Lives in Fla and Ala in the States too.

And to be sure..Cat Size isnt the determining factor of a Canes Strength,Surge is. Not any Cat 3 ever produced a 30 ft storm surge,that Im aware of. The SSS is outmoded and dated,as Katrina ,Gustav and Ike showed us all.

Never willy nilly another's calamity,..its in the worst taste.

Show me another Hurricane that takes 3 hours to drive thru the impact zone.
And I'll eat my USMC hat Here.

Your the Biggest Caribbean wishcaster among the fine group down under.




Katrina NOAA Index Base Map




Pat,I don't want you to take offense from me as I watched the coverage of Katrina and it tore my heart out and I cried like a baby but comparing(this is for Stormpetrol too)Ivan to Katrina is impossible as we have a very different terrain from N.O. and we are a very small island so damage would be far different as well as property loss and loss of life. Any hurricane that takes even one life is devastating and unforgettable.
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215. xcool 01:43 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Temp
54.3°F
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216. Cavin Rawlins 01:43 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Quoting MayFL:
Weather456 has the gale center become warmed core as yet.


No, it is still in the early stages - seclusion of a cold core low.

AMSU temperature brightness pass from 2200 UTC this evening revealed the feature is still connected slightly to the mid-latitudes and cold air aloft has not fully secluded as yet. CPDs also indicate the feature remains a cold core feature aloft.

Other features outlined are the tropical atmosphere heat flux since the main medium for the transport of heat in the tropical atmosphere is convection and condensation (cumulus and cumulonimbus clouds). Also the Iceland Low, and the tropical air ahead of the cold front advancing over the Eastern CONUS and GOM.



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218. JRRP 01:48 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Quoting Weather456:
Is that a cold front trying to invade our area..looks like it will dissipate before doing so.


don´t tell me that please...
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219. Patrap 01:48 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
Pat,I don't want you to take offense from me as I watched the coverage of Katrina and it tore my heart out and I cried like a baby but comparing(this is for Stormpetrol too)Ivan to Katrina is impossible as we have a very different terrain from N.O. and we are a very small island so damage would be far different as well as property loss and loss of life. Any hurricane that takes even one life is devastating and unforgettable.


I never discount any ones Calamity..for 19days I yanked folks Living and dead from K's waters.

And Im involved in plenty of Disaster Works to this day..and even attending a conference here in NOLA on Nov 23rd.

I cringe though when others without a clue,try to pass off as Knowing what occurred here.
Those CNN moments you saw werent what we saw inside the bubble.
We were a tad busy too,to even consider what the world saw.


Enojyed clarifying as usual.

Back to my Keg and my Company.
Of Which many are shaking there heads here and even laughing over the idiocy expressed by some tonight.
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221. SouthALWX 01:51 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Quoting Patrap:


Well,sport,,those of us who experienced K from Ala to Houma La..may beg to differ with you in regards to K being overrated.

Bottom Line,1600 Deaths in 3 States..and 250,000 homes destroyed ..will always be the true story of her Power. Oh and Ivan took Lives in Fla and Ala in the States too.

And to be sure..Cat Size isnt the determining factor of a Canes Strength,Surge is. Not any Cat 3 ever produced a 30 ft storm surge,that Im aware of. The SSS is outmoded and dated,as Katrina ,Gustav and Ike showed us all.

Never willy nilly another's calamity,..its in the worst taste.

Show me another Hurricane that takes 3 hours to drive thru the impact zone.
And I'll eat my USMC hat Here.

Your the Biggest Caribbean wishcaster among the fine group down under.




Katrina NOAA Index Base Map





Even being affected by Katrina here in mobile, I have to agree with his sentiment. Overrated is probably not the best choice of word but I agree with from a purely storm perspective. Ivan was more powerful at it's initial landfall than Katrina was imo. To say "overrated" is a bit harsh and I'd prefer to say "misunderstood" as the damage she caused was very real, but was the brute force equivalent to the storm of the century some believe it is? Dunno about that.
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222. presslord 01:53 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Pat and I have a cool deal: he doesn't pretend to be an expert on Charleston....and I don't pretend to be an expert on New Orleans...it works out great...
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223. Grothar 01:55 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Quoting presslord:
Pat and I have a cool deal: he doesn't pretend to be an expert on Charleston....and I don't pretend to be an expert on New Orleans...it works out great...


That's what friends are for....!
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224. Cavin Rawlins 01:56 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Quoting MayFL:


WOW, In that image you can really see the feature breaking off from the mid-lattitudes. If I am correct, once the feature is disconnected it can generate latent from warm SSTs right? How did Grace got it's warm core if it was over SSTs less than the requirement.
Quoting MayFL:


WOW, In that image you can really see the feature breaking off from the mid-lattitudes. If I am correct, once the feature is disconnected it can generate latent from warm SSTs right? How did Grace got it's warm core if it was over SSTs less than the requirement.


First, you are correct, once the feature fully secludes, under the right conditions it can generate latent heat which tightens the isobars closer to the center and it can become subtropical.

Second, this thing about 23C is one of the reasons which led me to argue 90L was a subtropical storm. In meteorological, there is no exact temperature which dictates when something occurs (other than ice freezes at 0C). SSTs where Grace were 22C which is not much difference from 23C but because it was below 23C, that was used as an opposing argument. For example, the difference between a 155 mph cat 4 and a 160 mph cat 5.

Last, we have to remember lapse rates. If there was a steep enough difference between 22C waters and the air temperature at 500 mb, it could still result in enough instability to generate convection and consequently latent heat.
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225. stormwatcherCI 01:57 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Quoting Patrap:


I never discount any ones Calamity..for 19days I yanked folks Living and dead from K's waters.

And Im involved in plenty of Disaster Works to this day..and even attending a conference here in NOLA on Nov 23rd.

I cringe though when others without a clue,try to pass off as Knowing what occurred here.
Those CNN moments you saw werent what we saw inside the bubble.
We were a tad busy too,to even consider what the world saw.


Enojyed clarifying as usual.

Back to my Keg and my Company.
Of Which many are shaking there heads here and even laughing over the idiocy expressed by some tonight.
I understand what you are saying as if you are not there you don't know what is happening and I know loss of life was way more than anyone even knows now but it is different (notice I did not say better or worse) than what we went through because like I said, different terrain. We are flat. It was reported that during Ivan the sea came up from both sides and we were completely covered in water but it receded due to us being flat. Having said that I would not have wanted to be in NO when Katrina hit as my biggest fear is death by drowning.
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226. stormwatcherCI 01:59 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Quoting SouthALWX:

Even being affected by Katrina here in mobile, I have to agree with his sentiment. Overrated is probably not the best choice of word but I agree with from a purely storm perspective. Ivan was more powerful at it's initial landfall than Katrina was imo. To say "overrated" is a bit harsh and I'd prefer to say "misunderstood" as the damage she caused was very real, but was the brute force equivalent to the storm of the century some believe it is? Dunno about that.
Katrina in and of herself was not as powerful as Ivan and the damage and deaths resulting from her are not on Mother Nature's hands but on the hands of the inept engineers who built the levees.
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228. cyclonekid 02:02 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
The area of low pressure currently located about 750mi to the E of Bermuda is organizing even more. From the looks of it cyclogenesis into a subtropical storm looks likely at this time. The National Hurricane Center gives this low a low (>30%) chance of forming into a subtropical depression/storm in the next 48 hours which is a good forecast. The cold front associated with this should move on and become its own storm. The Gale Center should move NW and then eventually N. This system reminds me of Hurricane Claudette in 1991; even though I wasn't born, I have done research. We could have a pretty powerful Subtropical storm if this reaches that intensity.

Cyclonekid
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230. Cavin Rawlins 02:04 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Quoting MayFL:
I have seen today that when someone disagrees with you, they start to get childish and begin name calling and personal attacks. For example, read the last blog when Ike called 456 immature and Patrap rants a while ago.

Seriously we need to come better than this.
Quoting MayFL:
I have seen today that when someone disagrees with you, they start to get childish and begin name calling and personal attacks. For example, read the last blog when Ike called 456 immature and Patrap rants a while ago.

Seriously we need to come better than this.


New to the blog, lol. You will eventually seasoned in and get use to it.
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231. InTheCone 02:07 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
2 thoughts -

We are all human, and as such we are by nature only effected by what directly impacts us. Regardless of how much we try to project our empathy to others who are suffering i.e. - the Phillipines this year. While we intellectually understand their plight, how many of us do anything to alliviate their suffering; or for that matter can even begin to comprehend it?

I could relate very closely to the Baxter's woes and gave a contribution to Portlight on their behalf, but I don't have any way to relate directly to the folks in the Phillipines so I give to international orginazations in the hope that that they will get some relief. This is just a generalized hope because I cannot relate directly to them. When I see my neighbors roof blowing by my house, I have a much more powerful and personal reaction. I see it, I feel it, and I am impacted personally by it. It doesn't mean that I don't care for the folks who are far away, I'm just not personally affected so I can't be emotionally tied to it.

My other thought - this is a blog from the U.S. and as such is skewed toward that area. Plus, the population discrepencies would tend to be tilted toward impacts there. And there are those who couldn't care less about anyone but themselves-Uggh...

Happy Halloween!
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232. Grothar 02:11 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
If I may get off topic just a bit. A few years ago I was at a dinner party in NYC. One man was a former American bombardier on a B-29; another was a German businessman, a Danish woman, who was taken by the Germans to work as a Nurse in Germany and other people all of whom had lived during World War II. As happens, with former enemies, the subject turned to the war and the American said to the German, "I still have nightmares of dropping those bombs and looking at that terrible sight. The German politely leaned over and said, "If it is any consolation, the view from the bottom was no better." This is true!

The fact is all tragedies leave lasting marks on everyone. Are they always, avoidable, I don't know, but to argure about which was worse serves no purpose. I hope you all take this in the manner in which I intended. I wouldn't have wanted to trade places with any of you who suffered in any way.
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233. presslord 02:12 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Quoting InTheCone:
2 thoughts -

We are all human, and as such we are by nature only effected by what directly impacts us. Regardless of how much we try to project our empathy to others who are suffering i.e. - the Phillipines this year. While we intellectually understand their plight, how many of us do anything to alliviate their suffering; or for that matter can even begin to comprehend it?

I could relate very closely to the Baxter's woes and gave a contribution to Portlight on their behalf, but I don't have any way to relate directly to the folks in the Phillipines so I give to international orginazations in the hope that that they will get some relief. This is just a generalized hope because I cannot relate directly to them. When I see my neighbors roof blowing by my house, I have a much more powerful and personal reaction. I see it, I feel it, and I am impacted personally by it. It doesn't mean that I don't care for the folks who are far away, I'm just not personally affected so I can't be emotionally tied to it.

My other thought - this is a blog from the U.S. and as such is skewed toward that area. Plus, the population discrepencies would tend to be tilted toward impacts there. And there are those who couldn't care less about anyone but themselves-Uggh...

Happy Halloween!


ya gotta quit being so reasonable and sensible ; )
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234. stormwatcherCI 02:13 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Quoting InTheCone:
2 thoughts -

We are all human, and as such we are by nature only effected by what directly impacts us. Regardless of how much we try to project our empathy to others who are suffering i.e. - the Phillipines this year. While we intellectually understand their plight, how many of us do anything to alliviate their suffering; or for that matter can even begin to comprehend it?

I could relate very closely to the Baxter's woes and gave a contribution to Portlight on their behalf, but I don't have any way to relate directly to the folks in the Phillipines so I give to international orginazations in the hope that that they will get some relief. This is just a generalized hope because I cannot relate directly to them. When I see my neighbors roof blowing by my house, I have a much more powerful and personal reaction. I see it, I feel it, and I am impacted personally by it. It doesn't mean that I don't care for the folks who are far away, I'm just not personally affected so I can't be emotionally tied to it.

My other thought - this is a blog from the U.S. and as such is skewed toward that area. Plus, the population discrepencies would tend to be tilted toward impacts there. And there are those who couldn't care less about anyone but themselves-Uggh...

Happy Halloween!
In reply to your comment I would not say they are skewed towards the US because when all is said and done the Cayman Islands received a lot of help after Ivan from all over the world including the US and maybe even more so from them than from the UK which as Stormpetrol said is our Mother Country.
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235. spayandneuter 02:13 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Patrap,

I worked 6 weeks after Katrina in Mississippi where she actually hit. I also worked the Tsunami in Thailand, Wilma in both Mexico and the US, as well as Gustave and Ike. I have been on ground zero for all of them and let me tell you Katrina was the monster. I get very frustrated by everyone talking about Katrina and New Orleans, that was a man made disaster, made worse by the human element. New Orleans is still standing, but entire cities in MS were wiped off the face of the earth. It's all about the storm surge and Katrina pushed a monster in front of her. I had just seen the tsunami damage and as I watched Katrina and heard the reports about her surge, I just prayed people would evacuate. Sadly many did not.
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236. presslord 02:14 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Quoting Grothar:
If I may get off topic just a bit. A few years ago I was at a dinner party in NYC. One man was a former American bombardier on a B-29; another was a German businessman, a Danish woman, who was taken by the Germans to work as a Nurse in Germany and other people all of whom had lived during World War II. As happens, with former enemies, the subject turned to the war and the American said to the German, "I still have nightmares of dropping those bombs and looking at that terrible sight. The German politely leaned over and said, "If it is any consolation, the view from the bottom was no better." This is true!

The fact is all tragedies leave lasting marks on everyone. Are they always, avoidable, I don't know, but to argure about which was worse serves no purpose. I hope you all take this in the manner in which I intended. I wouldn't have wanted to trade places with any of you who suffered in any way.


you, too...
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237. Patrap 02:14 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Quoting MayFL:
Weather456,

Thanks much, that made alot of sense.

Patrap,

Do you have get personal with everyone that disagrees with you. The guy is entiled to his opinion.

Back to my Keg and my Company.
Of Which many are shaking there heads here and even laughing over the idiocy expressed by some tonight.
- Patrap


Somes opinions..like mine,yours,..and opines in Florida,Miss,Texas and round 47 other United States are as valid as anyones,we live in a big Basin.
Opinions are like fences,folks dogs,and their cars..
Everyone got the cutest the best and its theirs.
All other are moot.

But over-rated is a term best left for TV shows,Football Players..and well.,the obvious

Kit-Kat..?.


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238. stormwatcherCI 02:14 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Quoting Grothar:
If I may get off topic just a bit. A few years ago I was at a dinner party in NYC. One man was a former American bombardier on a B-29; another was a German businessman, a Danish woman, who was taken by the Germans to work as a Nurse in Germany and other people all of whom had lived during World War II. As happens, with former enemies, the subject turned to the war and the American said to the German, "I still have nightmares of dropping those bombs and looking at that terrible sight. The German politely leaned over and said, "If it is any consolation, the view from the bottom was no better." This is true!

The fact is all tragedies leave lasting marks on everyone. Are they always, avoidable, I don't know, but to argure about which was worse serves no purpose. I hope you all take this in the manner in which I intended. I wouldn't have wanted to trade places with any of you who suffered in any way.
Amen.
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239. Cavin Rawlins 02:14 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
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240. InTheCone 02:15 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
In reply to your comment I would not say they are skewed towards the US because when all is said and done the Cayman Islands received a lot of help after Ivan from all over the world including the US and maybe even more so from them than from the UK which as Stormpetrol said is our Mother Country.


That's why I drink, keeps me from thinking too much..... BTW, Portlight ROCKS!
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241. InTheCone 02:18 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Quoting Grothar:
If I may get off topic just a bit. A few years ago I was at a dinner party in NYC. One man was a former American bombardier on a B-29; another was a German businessman, a Danish woman, who was taken by the Germans to work as a Nurse in Germany and other people all of whom had lived during World War II. As happens, with former enemies, the subject turned to the war and the American said to the German, "I still have nightmares of dropping those bombs and looking at that terrible sight. The German politely leaned over and said, "If it is any consolation, the view from the bottom was no better." This is true!

The fact is all tragedies leave lasting marks on everyone. Are they always, avoidable, I don't know, but to argure about which was worse serves no purpose. I hope you all take this in the manner in which I intended. I wouldn't have wanted to trade places with any of you who suffered in any way.


Great post, pretty much summed up what I was thinking, just better!
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242. SouthALWX 02:22 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Quoting Patrap:


Somes opinions..like mine,yours,..and opines in Florida,Miss,Texas and round 47 other United States are as valid as anyones,we live in a big Basin.
Opinions are like fences,folks dogs,and their cars..
Everyone got the cutest the best and its theirs.
All other are moot.

But over-rated is a term best left for TV shows,Football Players..and well.,the obvious

Kit-Kat..?.



Agree. Overrated is a bad term and I don't think anyone meant to use it in a way that makes what happened any less appalling.
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243. Patrap 02:22 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Quoting spayandneuter:
Patrap,

I worked 6 weeks after Katrina in Mississippi where she actually hit. I also worked the Tsunami in Thailand, Wilma in both Mexico and the US, as well as Gustave and Ike. I have been on ground zero for all of them and let me tell you Katrina was the monster. I get very frustrated by everyone talking about Katrina and New Orleans, that was a man made disaster, made worse by the human element. New Orleans is still standing, but entire cities in MS were wiped off the face of the earth. It's all about the storm surge and Katrina pushed a monster in front of her. I had just seen the tsunami damage and as I watched Katrina and heard the reports about her surge, I just prayed people would evacuate. Sadly many did not.


Thank you for being all you can be in times of disaster.
K put 4 ft of water on my Grandparents grave in NOLA and 26ft on my other Grandparents in Waveland near Coleman Ave.
That surge came and went in 6 hours tops.

That surge Ran thru a Home we have offa 90 in Bay St. Louis.as well.

But in the city,the funnel..Intracoastal.Waterway,MRGO,outfall Canals..
Bad Mojo is out there.

The Atlantic has many cards to play .
She is patient. NOLA got off for 40 years easy. Till 2005.

2010 will bring her own Frays. Maybe One for the books.
Prep now while its cheap.
The surge broke levee'and well,we bled to death in water those top off after 4 days.

So the blood runs wide and deep for thousands.
Gustav proved many heed the word .
Seen the bad..and the good.
Here is no different.
Samoa relief from portlight is what we could muster.
Presslord has those details.

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244. stormwatcherCI 02:24 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Quoting InTheCone:


Great post, pretty much summed up what I was thinking, just better!
Both were very well said. Everywhere on the entire planet has been devastated by some sort of tragedy and we all suffer so no use in arguing about what was worse. I remember the year Ivan hit us in September, on December 14 we had a 6. something earthquake that shook us up and 12 days later the tsunami hit Indonesia and wiped out a multitude of people so devastation is everywhere.
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245. winter123 02:26 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
So many blobs to watch, so little time... I'm looking at the NW-ern most one right now.

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246. Skyepony (Mod) 02:28 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
No break for the weary. That is the Philippines to the west..

97W
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247. Cavin Rawlins 02:29 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Quoting Skyepony:
No break for the weary. That is the Philippines to the west..

97W


You gotta be kidding me.
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248. Patrap 02:30 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Its a Nasty world sometimes for somebody somewhere. When I get down I look to this page and consider other wise.

ReliefWEB





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OPT: Egypt to open Gaza border for three days

Indonesia: Possible new landslides threaten displaced quake survivors

Powerful typhoon hits Philippines, kills 11

Guinea: UN SG sets up probe into violent crackdown

Displaced Yemenis killed in hostilities

Colombia: New fund promotes employment for 1,000 ex-combatants

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Haiti: UN calls for speedy new
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249. winter123 02:34 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
Quoting Weather456:
Frontal Ropes form along the boundary of well-define semi-sharp fronts where differential advection of warm tropical air rolls over cold polar air.



Seems like the tropics are having some type of last hurrah... It doesn't look like that front will make it even to Orlando. All kinds of nastiness over Central America, good thing its not over water or itd be spinning up.
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250. Patrap 02:35 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
No good news there skyepony.
Trending Lower and tighter seems.


97W
Floater - JSL Color Infrared Loop


Rainbow Still 97W


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251. InTheCone 02:37 GMT le 01 novembre 2009    
234. -

I wasn't speaking in terms of direct assistance, just the overall tendancy of the bloggers to be geocentric to the U.S.

They tend to only think about their own coastline.

P.S. - I've been to your islands twice and can't wait to come back :)
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