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Tropical Storm Ida a major flood threat for Nicaragua and Honduras
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 21:33 GMT le 04 novembre 2009 +2
Tropical Storm Ida has arrived, the ninth named storm of the 2009 Atlantic hurricane season. Visible satellite loops show that Ida continues to steadily organize, with surface spiral banding and upper-level outflow now obvious over the northern portion of the storm. An Air Force hurricane hunter aircraft is in the storm, and found a large area of surface winds in the 45 - 50 mph range, with a smaller area of 60 mph winds, prompting NHC to upgrade the storm.


Figure 1. Afternoon satellite image of Ida.

Ida is currently under low wind shear, 5 - 10 knots, and shear is expected to remain in the low to moderate range in the Western Caribbean for the remainder of the week. Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are 29°C and the Tropical Cyclone Heat Potential is about 40 kJ/cm^2, which is enough energy for a hurricane to form, if the center remains over water long enough. The Western Caribbean is plenty moist, and dry air is not an issue for Ida. Ida is currently too small to be affected by tropical disturbance (Invest 96E) 500 miles to its west, over the Eastern Pacific.

The forecast for Ida
The 1 - 3 day forecast for Ida has come into better focus now that the storm has formed, and models have come into better agreement. The current west to northwesterly motion of Ida should carry it inland over northeastern Nicaragua early Thursday morning. Ida is too small to tap the Pacific as a source of moisture, and it is just the northeastern portions of Nicaragua and Honduras that need to be concerned with heavy rains and mudslides. With Ida expected to spend a full two days over land, rainfall amounts of 10 - 15 inches over northeastern Nicaragua and Honduras will likely make Ida the deadliest storm of the 2009 Atlantic hurricane season. There is a medium chance (30 - 50%) that Ida will dissipate while over land. If Ida survives the crossing and emerges into the Western Caribbean on Saturday, low to moderate wind shear and warm waters await it, and strengthening is likely. An extratropical storm is forecast by GFS and ECMWF models to form in the Gulf of Mexico's Bay of Campeche on Saturday, and the counter-clockwise flow of air around this storm may propel Ida northwards into the Gulf of Mexico by Monday. However, both of these models show a high pressure ridge building in and forcing Ida southwards, back into the Caribbean, by the middle of next week. The long term fate of Ida, should it survive the crossing of Nicaragua and Honduras, remains murky.

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651. MTWX 04:50 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting sarahjola:
armywifeinga- i have noticed that with hurricanes and tropical storms the flooding potential gets worse as the storm moves north and east. when Katrina hit we had to pull off in sardis Mississippi because the weather was so bad. we later find out that Katrina was a cat.1 all the way up there, and then went on to cause all kinds of problems up north. it also seems like tornadoes form more once the storm gets further north. that's weird to me. seems like the land would kill alot of the storms not feed them. and if a cold front happens to be coming in then that's really bad for north eastern states. i hope s.a. citizens are getting prepared for this. hope they make out alright.


It was a cat 1 when it crossed over us too. I work on the weather equipment on Columbus AFB and we had 75 mph sustained winds and gusts over 100
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652. AwakeInMaryland 04:50 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting KoritheMan:


We're going to feel at least some peripheral effects from Ida, regardless of whether or not it ultimately ends up making landfall here -- strong vertical shear may advect moisture from the system northward.

I hope you start updating your own personal blog soon because everything you've said tonight is clear and makes sense...
uh oh, am I on the right blog? (little j/k...very little)
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654. centex 04:50 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting BurnedAfterPosting:


lol and you base this on what?
Just saying obvious going inland and experts agree.

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655. xcool 04:51 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
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656. KoritheMan 04:51 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting AwakeInMaryland:

I hope you start updating your own personal blog soon because everything you've said tonight is clear and makes sense...
uh oh, am I on the right blog? (little j/k...very little)


I suppose it wouldn't hurt to begin blogging here again, though most of my thoughts are posted on another website, if you're interested.
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657. sarahjola 04:52 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting MTWX:


It was a cat 1 when it crossed over us too. I work on the weather equipment on Columbus AFB and we had 75 mph sustained winds and gusts over 100

amazing!
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658. amd 04:53 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting winter123:


I don't get it.. the steering patterns are west, its been moving almost due west all day... how its it supposed to make a north turn with weak steering currents and friction keeping it over land?


storms in November in that part of the world have a strong tendency to go north or nne along the coast of Nicaragua and Honduras, so that movement cannot be totally ruled out.

Also, steering currents can change, and if the Bay of Campeche non-tropical system strengthens, it could exert a north to even nne pull of the system, but I would venture to guess that would occur after the storm moves inland by a good amount.



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659. Orcasystems 04:55 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
I'm done for the night... wonder what we will have in the morning?

Blog Update


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660. AwakeInMaryland 04:55 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting WaterWitch11:
it saddens me to see that the weather channel has turned into the same bullpoop as the rest of our media coverage.

No kidding. Have they at least put Steve Lyons in the studio tonight? Looking at the time, I'm tardy, and would have just missed Tropical Update if they had it.
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661. AwakeInMaryland 04:56 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting KoritheMan:


I suppose it wouldn't hurt to begin blogging here again, though most of my thoughts are posted on another website, if you're interested.

Oh yes, please post or send WU mail, whichever you are most comfortable with. And thank you.
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662. MTWX 04:57 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting Orcasystems:
I'm done for the night... wonder what we will have in the morning?

Blog Update




I'm done too. Night all
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663. sarahjola 04:57 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting sarahjola:

amazing!

its unreal how far these storms travel once inland. cool job you got. sounds interesting.
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664. xcool 04:59 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
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665. AwakeInMaryland 05:00 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Good night, Orca.
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666. TampaSpin 05:01 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    


Not much doubt where it is going when looking at this...
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667. winter123 05:01 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
still seeing a due west movement, still intensifying, and making landfall as we speak.


(why did a storm have to form right when i have two tests 2 days in a row!!! D: Commenting back later probably)
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668. Orcasystems 05:02 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting AwakeInMaryland:
Good night, Orca.

Us old fellows call it quits early... its all of 9 pm here :)
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669. sarahjola 05:04 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting xcool:

that looks as though the eye is still very far from land. is that a updated shot or is that old? what is the movement of ida. i read on here that the movement was now nw. i don't see any northerly movement but i can't really tell where the eye is on most of the images I've looked at. where do you think it will go and how strong do you see it getting?
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670. AwakeInMaryland 05:04 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting Orcasystems:

Us old fellows call it quits early... its all of 9 pm here :)

lol...I napped. That's what us ol' gals do. :)
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671. Patrap 05:07 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    


GOM IR Loop

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672. TampaSpin 05:07 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting sarahjola:

that looks as though the eye is still very far from land. is that a updated shot or is that old? what is the movement of ida. i read on here that the movement was now nw. i don't see any northerly movement but i can't really tell where the eye is on most of the images I've looked at. where do you think it will go and how strong do you see it getting?


It is off shore a good bit...probabaly 9hrs from shore......which really is a long time for it to further get stronger into a possible cane....
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673. xcool 05:08 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
sarahjola yes
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674. GTcooliebai 05:08 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Yankees win World Series!!! and Jackie Chan's look-a-like Hideki Matsui wins the MVP!!! Yeaaahhh...
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675. xcool 05:10 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
TampaSpin .Ida is partially onshore in Nicaragua now :)
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676. xcool 05:11 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
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677. BurnedAfterPosting 05:12 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting xcool:
TampaSpin .Ida is partially onshore in Nicaragua now :)


actually no she isn't, the circulation is completely offshore still
678. GTcooliebai 05:13 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Ida Party And Drink Beers 2nite
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679. TampaSpin 05:13 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
UW - CIMSS
ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE
ADT-Version 7.2.3
Tropical Cyclone Intensity Algorithm

----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 05 NOV 2009 Time : 041500 UTC
Lat : 12:34:24 N Lon : 83:12:19 W


CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
3.4 / 995.2mb/ 53.0kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
(3hr avg)
3.4 3.5 4.3

Latitude bias adjustment to MSLP : +0.0mb

Center Temp : -71.0C Cloud Region Temp : -75.1C

Scene Type : EMBEDDED CENTER CLOUD REGION

Positioning Method : FORECAST INTERPOLATION

Ocean Basin : ATLANTIC
Dvorak CI > MSLP Conversion Used : ATLANTIC

Tno/CI Rules : Constraint Limits : 0.7T/6hr
Weakening Flag : OFF
Rapid Dissipation Flag : OFF

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680. xcool 05:13 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
BurnedAfterPosting .opps my errors
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681. Seastep 05:13 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
That there is a hurricane.
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682. Patrap 05:14 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
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683. BurnedAfterPosting 05:14 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting xcool:
BurnedAfterPosting .opps my errors


its all good :)
684. xcool 05:15 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
BurnedAfterPosting thank
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685. sarahjola 05:17 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting BurnedAfterPosting:


actually no she isn't, the circulation is completely offshore still

i know it looks like that to me too. i think the eye is still offshore also. how strong is it now? is it a cat 1 yet?
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686. Astrophysics 05:17 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Looks to me like Ida has slowed significantly just off shore. It will be interesting to see how far inland it will go. Wouldn't surprise me if it stalls just off or slightly on shore for 6 to 8 hours then begins to drift northward.
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687. Patrap 05:17 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
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688. AwakeInMaryland 05:19 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting GTcooliebai:
Yankees win World Series!!! Yeaaahhh...

Flagged. (Just kidding...Admin, just kidding...)
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689. Patrap 05:19 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
TS IDA Looks very Healthy ATM..



Note the 5 Tops in the right front Quad Popping..away from her center.
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690. TampaSpin 05:20 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting xcool:
TampaSpin .Ida is partially onshore in Nicaragua now :)


Maybe close. Pretty hard to tell.....


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691. sarahjola 05:22 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting Patrap:
TS IDA Looks very Healthy ATM..


looks like a hurricane
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692. CUBWF 05:22 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Good evening everyone. By the imagen at post 667 looks like the eye it's trying to pop up, and drifting north. By the way, where can I get that imagen? Thanks in advanced
693. Seastep 05:24 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting sarahjola:

looks like a hurricane


it is
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694. Patrap 05:24 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
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695. xcool 05:25 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Firing a nice
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696. Seastep 05:25 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
not officially
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697. sarahjola 05:26 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
does anyone think that the area of disturbed weather in the boc will develop or merge with ida, or will it just die out and go away?
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698. Patrap 05:27 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
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700. TampaSpin 05:27 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
EST. time of landfall is showing at 5am Est. time.....
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701. Seastep 05:29 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Not onshore.

12.5N/83W
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