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Tropical Storm Ida a major flood threat for Nicaragua and Honduras
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 21:33 GMT le 04 novembre 2009 +2
Tropical Storm Ida has arrived, the ninth named storm of the 2009 Atlantic hurricane season. Visible satellite loops show that Ida continues to steadily organize, with surface spiral banding and upper-level outflow now obvious over the northern portion of the storm. An Air Force hurricane hunter aircraft is in the storm, and found a large area of surface winds in the 45 - 50 mph range, with a smaller area of 60 mph winds, prompting NHC to upgrade the storm.


Figure 1. Afternoon satellite image of Ida.

Ida is currently under low wind shear, 5 - 10 knots, and shear is expected to remain in the low to moderate range in the Western Caribbean for the remainder of the week. Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are 29°C and the Tropical Cyclone Heat Potential is about 40 kJ/cm^2, which is enough energy for a hurricane to form, if the center remains over water long enough. The Western Caribbean is plenty moist, and dry air is not an issue for Ida. Ida is currently too small to be affected by tropical disturbance (Invest 96E) 500 miles to its west, over the Eastern Pacific.

The forecast for Ida
The 1 - 3 day forecast for Ida has come into better focus now that the storm has formed, and models have come into better agreement. The current west to northwesterly motion of Ida should carry it inland over northeastern Nicaragua early Thursday morning. Ida is too small to tap the Pacific as a source of moisture, and it is just the northeastern portions of Nicaragua and Honduras that need to be concerned with heavy rains and mudslides. With Ida expected to spend a full two days over land, rainfall amounts of 10 - 15 inches over northeastern Nicaragua and Honduras will likely make Ida the deadliest storm of the 2009 Atlantic hurricane season. There is a medium chance (30 - 50%) that Ida will dissipate while over land. If Ida survives the crossing and emerges into the Western Caribbean on Saturday, low to moderate wind shear and warm waters await it, and strengthening is likely. An extratropical storm is forecast by GFS and ECMWF models to form in the Gulf of Mexico's Bay of Campeche on Saturday, and the counter-clockwise flow of air around this storm may propel Ida northwards into the Gulf of Mexico by Monday. However, both of these models show a high pressure ridge building in and forcing Ida southwards, back into the Caribbean, by the middle of next week. The long term fate of Ida, should it survive the crossing of Nicaragua and Honduras, remains murky.

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751. GTcooliebai 05:55 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting winter123:


Ughhhh. I would be but I have a test tomorrow. I will have a belayed party. To celebrate, massive flooding and death? It actually makes no sense now that i think about it...

I know your right in terms of the impacts it will have on those poor people of Nicaragua and Honduras. Just thought I would throw that out there for kicks since the Yankees just won the World Series.
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753. Stormchaser2007 05:56 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting Seastep:
Fair enough, but it is kinda clear in this case. The update just came out. And I, myself, posted it.

Anyway, goodnight. It is a hurricane and stationary, imo. ;)


I agree that its unofficially a Hurricane.

Anyways, Goodnight.
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754. Patrap 05:56 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
TS IDA sucked the energy out that Pacific Invest Like a Phat tick on a tired Bloodhound..
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755. Skyepony (Mod) 05:57 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Ida has really pulled it together while I was out. The MIMIC shows it reformed North again, strengthened & still headed for land. Beginning to feed off the Pacific. May bounce & roll up the coast a bit at landfall. Tenacious bit of circulation that should survive to the other side. If the blob in the EPAC sucks life & strengthens from Ida being on land the forecast gets tougher, but I kinda don't think 96E will get greatly enhanced since it is sitting in a cooler patch of water from the maturing of El Nino & constant upwelling from invest after storm in that area lately. The heat content map is black about where 96E is..


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756. xcool 05:58 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
lol
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757. GTcooliebai 05:58 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Hey anyone has Ida stalled?
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758. AwakeInMaryland 05:59 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
741. Ah, is that what they commonly call being on "the dirty side" or the other side of the storm. Ex., in Hur. Rita, Galveston was not on the "dirty side" of the storm, and so had little damage.
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759. Patrap 05:59 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
I agree skyepony..Ida doing some impressive Strengthening and some spiffy navigating as well tonight.
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760. GTcooliebai 06:00 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Yeah I think its call revenge.
Quoting Patrap:
TS IDA sucked the energy out that Pacific Invest Like a Phat tick on a tired Bloodhound..

Yeah I think its call revenge
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761. xcool 06:00 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
GTcooliebai hard to said.
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762. Patrap 06:01 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
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763. GTcooliebai 06:03 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
For a compact storm Ida is pretty symetrical.
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764. winter123 06:04 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting GTcooliebai:

I know your right in terms of the impacts it will have on those poor people of Nicaragua and Honduras. Just thought I would throw that out there for kicks since the Yankees just won the World Series.


I usually like to drink when a storm is landfalling, but i havent this year, for obvious reasons. I think it's because I imagine myself in the path of it on the coast and how terrible it would be... Though i do want to experience a ~75mph hurricane myself one day just to see.

edit: hmm, avatar vanished. Also, repost since i have it open:
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765. GTcooliebai 06:06 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting xcool:
GTcooliebai hard to said.

The GT stands for Georgetown the capital of Guyana South America and during the socialist years the African American people had control of the country and would call the Indians who came from India as share croppers Coolie's and bai is a slang for boy. I hope that helps.
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766. SouthALWX 06:07 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Not sure what you meant by "dirty" but as far as cyclone mechanics go in the northern hemisphere, the NE quadrant is generally the "strongest" due to storm motion being added to the windspeed rather than subtracted as offshore winds move opposite the storm motion resulting in a net weaker windspeed. Also, offshore winds tend to suck the water out to sea whereas on shore winds pile water up. Not to say any part is pleasant, this is just a generalization. And if you knew this already ignore it, I kind of figured you did but also knew some may not.
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767. GTcooliebai 06:09 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
I like that image winter123. How do you get it to animate?
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768. Patrap 06:09 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Ida very close to Cane Status in the Last frames here.

TS IDA Floater - Funktop Color Infrared Loop
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769. winter123 06:11 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting GTcooliebai:
I like that image winter123. How do you get it to animate?


Someone else is hosting it and it just scripts to update and animate as a .gif? I dont know, i just use it.
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770. Patrap 06:11 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
GOM IR Loop..

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771. Patrap 06:12 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting winter123:


Someone else is hosting it and it just scripts to update and animate as a .gif? I dont know, i just use it.


The U of Miami Host that site,here
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772. TampaSpin 06:13 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting Patrap:
TS IDA sucked the energy out that Pacific Invest Like a Phat tick on a tired Bloodhound..



LMAO...that is great description from a true south cracker....LOL
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773. xcool 06:13 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
i seeing MOVE NW ;
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774. Skyepony (Mod) 06:13 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Wundermap is awesome. Now we just need more personal weather stations in Nicaragua..
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775. Patrap 06:15 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting Skyepony:
Wundermap is awesome. Now we just need more personal weather stations in Nicaragua..


Surely we could fund a Corn Island Doppler,..I mean how much could a Lil Invest pay off in the long run,..sure would be Nice tonight.
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776. TampaSpin 06:15 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
PatRap if you look closely at your loop at 770...you can see the lower clouds are starting to spin counterclock wise....HUM!
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777. BioChemist 06:15 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
This is the first landfalling tropical system of the year yea? Atlantic.. obviously.


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778. GTcooliebai 06:17 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting Patrap:


The U of Miami Host that site,here

Oh ok I see, thank you.
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779. Patrap 06:18 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting GTcooliebai:

Oh ok I see, thank you.


Yvw,glad to help.
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780. GTcooliebai 06:19 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting BioChemist:
This is the first landfalling tropical system of the year yea? Atlantic.. obviously.



I think you forgot about short lived TS Claudette. Formed around the same time Ana and Bill were out in the Atlantic
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781. Skyepony (Mod) 06:20 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting BioChemist:
This is the first landfalling tropical system of the year yea? Atlantic.. obviously.




I think TS Claudette hit Florida..
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782. BurnedAfterPosting 06:21 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting BioChemist:
This is the first landfalling tropical system of the year yea? Atlantic.. obviously.




Ana made landfall in the islands
Bill made landfall in Newfoundland
Claudette made landfall in the Florida Panhandle
Erika also made landfall in the Islands
783. Patrap 06:22 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
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784. Skyepony (Mod) 06:24 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Patrap~ We could use one on Roatan too.

Ida seems to be reaching more N that NNW like earlier. Still looks like it will be hampered by land some shortly.
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785. Patrap 06:24 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
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786. Patrap 06:25 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting Skyepony:
Patrap~ We could use one on Roatan too.

Ida seems to be reaching more N that NNW like earlier. Still looks like it will be hampered by land some shortly.


Funny how it seems sometimes they sense the coast intuitively and maybe avoid it ,as a self defesne mechanism almost,read a PDF on that by a outlier Guy..once.


Cant find it ,..
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787. TampaSpin 06:25 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    


This is why it will take off once it gets back into waters after landfall.......Look at the GulfStream.....It will go through some of the warmest waters in the entire Atlantic basin....If shear drops......Ida will explode and intensify very quickly.....


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788. Patrap 06:28 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
TS IDA 05:45 UTC
Enhanced Infrared (IR) Imagery (4 km Mercator)




From 05:15

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789. Skyepony (Mod) 06:30 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Ida model error race begins.. With BAMD taking the early lead..

Average Error (nm) for core models
model Error Trend 24hr Error 48hr Error 72hr Error Day 4 Error Day 5 Error
BAMD INCREASING 27.4 -1 -1 -1 -1
LBAR INCREASING 44.8 -1 -1 -1 -1
MM5B INCREASING 47.9 -1 -1 -1 -1
HWRF INCREASING 59.6 -1 -1 -1 -1
GFDL INCREASING 78.5 -1 -1 -1 -1
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790. TampaSpin 06:31 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Good thing Ida will going over Land for a while.....Course those its hitting may not think so tho..
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791. Patrap 06:31 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Been favoring the BAMMD all day skyepony,..seems to be zeroed in pretty well so far.

But Im still Looking for a different solution come the 06 run..

This ones "too" creepy and Im not looking at it,..








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792. TampaSpin 06:35 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
BAM models.....BAMD is the farthest East....


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793. xcool 06:36 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Skyepony so bammd is win wow
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794. Skyepony (Mod) 06:36 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting Patrap:


Funny how it seems sometimes they sense the coast intuitively and maybe avoid it ,as a self defesne mechanism almost,read a PDF on that by a outlier Guy..once.


Cant find it ,..


I suspect we may seem some avoidance here. Though don't think Ida is getting past where Nicaragua curves out to the NNE without tasting some land. Probibly not so mountainous more to the NE side.
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795. HURRICANECAT5 06:40 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
ON THE LAST IR FRAME LOOKS LIKE IDA TOOK A JOG TO THE NORTH. GFDL IS FORECASTING THIS.
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796. hunkerdown 06:40 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:
BAM models.....BAMD is the farthest East....


which would make sense if the system stays, or regenerates, into a deep system after emerging back over open waters.
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797. Skyepony (Mod) 06:41 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting xcool:
Skyepony so bammd is win wow


The one going to LA is our top preformer so far. mmf5E goes to Tampa. The Blue is AVNO, though not a major did well today (better than LBARS) & has done pretty good this season overall.
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798. hunkerdown 06:42 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting Skyepony:


I suspect we may seem some avoidance here. Though don't think Ida is getting past where Nicaragua curves out to the NNE without tasting some land. Probibly not so mountainous more to the NE side.
unless it jogs farther to the west, it should miss the higher mountain ranges and should sustain some sort of organization.
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799. Skyepony (Mod) 06:44 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Patrap~ Usually the 1st one out of the box stumbles hard somewhere in the next 2 days.. Impressive start in the 20s 1st day though. Atleast the models have a better handle on this storm than many times.
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800. ElConando 06:48 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Claudette has made land fall Bill made land fall and i'd a think Ida wants to join em.
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801. TampaSpin 06:50 GMT le 05 novembre 2009    
Quoting hunkerdown:
which would make sense if the system stays, or regenerates, into a deep system after emerging back over open waters.


BAMD is for a stronger storm.....the one that is farthest East.....go to my site.....you can see it easier....
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