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Don't shoot the messenger
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 15:13 GMT le 06 décembre 2009 +8
Monday, December 7, marks the opening of the U.N. Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen, Denmark. At that meeting, the leaders of the world will gather to negotiate an agreement to replace the 1997 Kyoto Protocol. The new agreement will be the world's road map for dealing with climate change, and the stakes are huge. It is fitting that the conference begins on the anniversary of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, for the Copenhagen conference is sure to be an epic political battle. Indeed, the battle has already been underway for several weeks, with most of the action centering on a PR assault launched by the anti-CO2 regulation forces that sensationalized the contents of the hacked emails from the University of East Anglia. The Wall Street Journal has long been at the forefront of the battle to discredit the science of climate change and the scientists involved, and last week they launched a major offensive, publishing multiple opinion pieces. I'll critique one of these, a December 1 editorial by Bret Stephens which accuses climate scientists of having a vested interest in promoting alarmist views of the climate in order to get research funding. "All of them have been on the receiving end of climate change-related funding, so all of them must believe in the reality (and catastrophic imminence) of global warming just as a priest must believe in the existence of God", Stephens wrote.

Money
It's always wise to follow the money when analyzing the motivations of people. However, Ph.D. atmospheric scientists are less motivated by money than, say, the typical reader of the Wall Street Journal. I am an example of that. Nobody owns more shares of Wunderground.com than I do, yet here I am criticizing the Wall Street Journal and some of the richest and most powerful corporations on the planet--hardly the sort of action that will generate more revenue for my company. Our top climate scientists are some of the most brilliant people on the planet. They could have easily made fortunes on Wall Street devising intricate schemes to hawk sub-prime mortgages or leverage obscure derivatives. Yet these people chose climate science as a career, out of a genuine curiosity about how the world works and desire to help find the truth of whether human-caused climate change poses a significant threat to humanity. The charges that these scientists are exaggerating the danger of human-caused global warming to get more funding is a personal attack on their integrity--a typical politician's ploy to avoid talking about the issues, when one has no valid arguments to bolster one's position. In my 29 years in the weather business, I've had the honor of working with many of the world's top weather and climate scientists. I can personally vouch for their integrity and commitment to pursue the scientific truth, no matter what that truth turns out to be. These are honest, incredibly hard-working public servants who are enduring a punishing assault on their integrity because they are the bearers of bad news. The Earth has plenty of pressing problems requiring the services of brilliant scientists; these public servants will always have a job, and have no need to exaggerate dangers or invent new threats in order to get more research funding. If one reads through the entire set of 3,000 emails hacked from the University of East Anglia--not just the choice few lines excerpted from chosen emails, and then spun by the anti-CO2 regulation lobby to make the scientists look bad--you will see that these scientists are the good guys. Never once is there a mention of fabricating data or fudging results to try to get more research funding. There is no conspiring to perpetate the massive "hoax" of human-caused global warming they have been accused of. Rather, we see a picture of some very smart, hardworking, and very human and imperfect scientists that are doing their best to learn the truth, and pass that information on to the rest of us. You don't get ahead in scince by fudging the data. It's publish or perish. While the peer-review system of publication is not perfect, it generally does an excellent job of rewarding those scientists who seek to publish the truth, and rejects those who do not. Published papers that turn out to be false will, in time, crumble under the weight of subsequent studies that do uncover the truth. Smart scientists tend to have big egos and hate being wrong, so there is additional motivation to publish truthful studies that will withstand the test of time and be validated by subsequent research.

Alarmism
Mr. Stephens uses the words "alarm" or "alarmist" four times in the editorial, and he is clearly trying to provoke an emotional reaction against those Chicken Littles guilty of raising the alarm. Speaking as an atmospheric scientist, I can tell you from long experience that we are not the wild-eyed, alarmist lot that the Wall Street Journal makes us out to be. This makes for some very dull parties (if you're not excited about discussing quasi-geostrophic theory), when we get together for a big bash. Very little alarming behavior takes place. (In fact, after I dragged my wife to three straight devastatingly dull departmental Christmas parties while I was in graduate school, she forbade me from ever requiring her to go to another.) Atmospheric scientists are not an alarmist lot--put us in quiet room with a window and give us a computer and pile of data to analyze, and we'll be as happy as a clam at high tide. The portrayal of climate scientists as alarmist, money-grubbing, dishonest hucksters out to destroy the economy to further their own selfish desires for money or fame is a common theme in climate change denial attacks, and is a very narrow-minded and ignorant one. It's more convenient to shoot the messenger than to acknowledge the truth of the bad news they're bringing.

Toleration of false alarms
It is possible that the alarms climate scientists are raising over climate change will turn out to be false. Environmental scientists have in the past issued false alarms over environmental problems that did not materialize as expected. However, we should expect and tolerate some degree of false alarms, given the uncertainty in forecasting these events. If our scientists never issue a false alarm, then the tolerance for issuing alarms is not correct. Would you criticize the National Weather Service for issuing a tornado warning when a possible tornado signature is spotted on Doppler radar, since less than half of these signatures result in in an actual tornado touchdown? Or the National Hurricane Center for issuing a hurricane warning, since only 25% of the warned coast receives hurricane-force winds, on average? No, some degree of false alarms must be tolerated. Our weather forecasters are dedicated public servants, doing their job of warning the public when their best scientific judgment indicates that there might be a significant threat. It is no different with our climate scientists. They are predicting that there is a greater than 90% chance that most of the observed global warming is due to human causes. Climate scientists are extremely concerned about what their scientific results are saying, and are doing their utmost to warn a public resistant to acknowledging the danger. This resistance runs very deep among conservatives. A 2008 Pew Center poll found that 75% of Democrats with a college education believed that humans were responsible for global warming, while only 19% of college educated Republicans believed that. Conservatives' core belief that a capitalist, free market economy with limited regulation is the best economic system in the world is challenged by acknowledging that human-caused global warming is real and a threat. I greatly respect conservatives who can objectively evaluate the validity of global warming science while holding that core belief, for it is difficult to accept that the best economic system in the world could spawn such a self-destructive force. But as I detailed in a post last week, corporations, by law, exist to make a profit. If scientific research shows that a corporation's products may be harmful to the public health, it the obligation of the company to its shareholders to employ whatever legal means possible to cast doubt on this science, in order to protect profits. The profits of the richest and most powerful industry the planet has ever seen--the fossil fuel industry--are currently so threatened. Thus, we are being subject to history's greatest campaign to deny science, and it is keeping us from much-needed action to curb the danger. These voices are telling us what we want to hear--the danger is not real, the scientists are corrupt and are falsifying their data, the uncertainties are great, and that we cannot afford to change. But the laws of physics don't care about ideology or free market economies or election cycles. The overwhelming majority of our top climate scientists are saying that the laws of physics dictate that massive amounts of greenhouse gases, when added to the atmosphere, will cause warming that will be very damaging to civilization. If we are to limit that damage, we must act soon, for the approaching storm will grow ever stronger the longer we wait. Don't shoot the messengers-- they are on your side.

Other posts in this series
Embattled UK climate scientist steps down
The Manufactured Doubt industry and the hacked email controversy
Is more CO2 beneficial for Earth's ecosystems?

Next post
My timing of my next post will depend upon the weather.

Our Climate Change expert, Dr. Ricky Rood, is in Copenhagen for this week's crucial COP15 climate change treaty negotiations. Be sure to tune into his blog for updates on the talks. Wunderground has provided financial support for several University of Michigan students to attend the talks, and I may be featuring portions of their blogs over the coming weeks.

Jeff Masters
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401. InsAdj 13:41 GMT le 07 décembre 2009    
It's over Johnny. Find another fear tactic to make money.
I purposely left my chain saw running outside all night last night in order to become 'Goreneutral'.
402. breald 13:43 GMT le 07 décembre 2009    
I find it funny that the largest resistance to global warming comes from the USA.
It seems the only people who are politicizing this issue are the people against global warming.


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403. lickitysplit 13:43 GMT le 07 décembre 2009    
I'm always amazed how many fools are on this blog.
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404. InsAdj 13:46 GMT le 07 décembre 2009    
Quoting breald:
I find it funny that the largest resistance to global warming comes from the USA.
It seems the only people who are politicizing this issue are the peopl against global warming.




You can't be serious? Australia dumped their global warming guru in exchange for someone rational. You Americans are just plain gullible.
405. breald 13:54 GMT le 07 décembre 2009    
Quoting InsAdj:


You can't be serious? Australia dumped their global warming guru in exchange for someone rational. You Americans are just plain gullible.


Who is the new global warming guru in Australia?

And it is not just America, China and 45 other countries now agree there is a problem that needs to be addressed.

I guess that makes Australians the gullible ones?
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406. BobinTampa 13:59 GMT le 07 décembre 2009    
If we don't have enough understanding of weather to accurately forecast 7 days out? How can we possibly claim to have enough understanding of the climate to forecast 50,100, 200 years out?

Especially when past forecasts of even 10-20 years have proven totally inaccurate.

But now we're supposed to blindly throw our economy into the crapper so we that we'll have to buy carbon credits from Al Gore's company?? Seriously? And then the AGW people get offended when they are questioned?? You gotta be kidding me.

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407. Ossqss 14:04 GMT le 07 décembre 2009    
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409. InsAdj 14:17 GMT le 07 décembre 2009    
Quoting breald:


Who is the new global warming guru in Australia?

And it is not just America, China and 45 other countries now agree there is a problem that needs to be addressed.

I guess that makes Australians the gullible ones?


Let's see, their parliment struck down any global warming deal, rejected any cap and trade, and replaced Turnbill with Tony Abbott.
It's over mate, the climate express is derailed. Copenhagen is all smoke and mirrors. Even Merkel is hesitant.

412. breald 14:20 GMT le 07 décembre 2009    
Quoting InsAdj:


Let's see, their parliment struck down any global warming deal, rejected any cap and trade, and replaced Turnbill with Tony Abbott.
It's over mate, the climate express is derailed. Copenhagen is all smoke and mirrors. Even Merkel is hesitant.



Oh my! Merkel is hesitant! Nothing to discuss then.

Are you Australian?
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413. breald 14:23 GMT le 07 décembre 2009    
Quoting InsAdj:


Let's see, their parliment struck down any global warming deal, rejected any cap and trade, and replaced Turnbill with Tony Abbott.
It's over mate, the climate express is derailed. Copenhagen is all smoke and mirrors. Even Merkel is hesitant.



BTW what is Tony Abbott's background?
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414. InsAdj 14:24 GMT le 07 décembre 2009    
Quoting JFLORIDA:


Australia is having the worst fire season in recorded history. I dont think we are the gullible ones.

How much has that cost BTW?


It's over man. Give it up.
417. biff4ugo 14:28 GMT le 07 décembre 2009    
InsAdj,
It is much easier to predict what the yearly average sea level will be next year than what the sea level will be next week. Long term trends are much more stable and easy to predict than short term perterbations "seven days out".
Summer is HOT is much easier than will it rain next week.
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418. Ossqss 14:29 GMT le 07 décembre 2009    
From over a year ago :)

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420. InsAdj 14:38 GMT le 07 décembre 2009    
Quoting JFLORIDA:


What? what are you talking about?

Do you even know?


Yes, I know that it's statistically imposssible to extrapolate the current data (which has now been debunked as inaccurate/manipulated) over any length or period of time.
423. bophame 14:41 GMT le 07 décembre 2009    
In the news: Obama changes his Copenhagen plans. Some say he sees the bottom falling out.

And Climategate has penetrated the state media. WaPo made it a front pager, with a positive article review at PowerLineBlog.
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424. RitaEvac 14:43 GMT le 07 décembre 2009    
Aint a damn thing gonna happen, because Americans wont stand for it, especially if taxes keep going up and carbon tax, rioting would take place and government knows it
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428. bophame 14:50 GMT le 07 décembre 2009    
[422] Now that tree rings and temperature data are debunked, there is a "retreat" to glaciers. To use your solar observatory example from yesterday:

Observatory 1: You see sunspots artificially superimposed on the image so that tourists won't be bored with seeing a yellow ball.

Observatory 2: Public not allowed in. The front desk explains it's closed for repairs--for three years. But you see several cars in the lot outside with nerdy people getting out and entering the building.

Observatory 3: Someone asks the tour guide, "Isn't that a picture of Mars we're seeing?"
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429. Dr. Jeff Masters, Director of Meteorology (Admin)
14:52 GMT le 07 décembre 2009
   
Quoting GordoNBrooke:
So Jeff, not that it does any good addressing you directly since I have never seen you actually respond to a comment in a manner anyone can easily find


Yes, I apologize for this. The current unmoderated single-thread blog comment forum is poorly designed for serious discussions of this sort. It is difficult for me to find the flowers for all the weeds here, and I have limited time to wade through all the weeds.

Why is it the assumption that anyone who publically doubts global warming is a shill of the fossil fuel industry?


I commented in my previous post, regarding contrarian Steve McIntyre of Climate Audit, "McIntyre is intent on discrediting the science of human-caused global warming--presumably for ideological reasons, since he has no obvious ties to the fossil fuel industry".

There are many contrarians that have no ties to the fossil fuel industry, and I have never characterized all public doubters of AGW as paid shills of the fossil fuel industry. Another good example is Dr. John Christy of the University of Alabama, a widely quoted skeptical scientist, who has no ties to the fossil fuel industry. He has published some good research. However, I am strongly critical of his attempts to "spin" the Arctic sea ice situation when he speaks outside of the peer-reviewed scientific literature: "As you and I are talking today [May 2009], global sea ice coverage is about 400,000 square kilometers above the long-term average - which means that the surplus in the Antarctic is greater than the deficit in the Arctic". Calling attention to fact there's no fire burning in one room of your house when there's smoke coming out of another room is a pretty irresponsible thing for a scientist to do. I had a full blog post on this issue earlier this year.

And Jeff, a false tornado warning doesn't results in billions of dollars in new taxes. You're a smart guy, think for a second.

I think we agree here. The science behind tornado warnings is not being criticized, because it does not threaten the interests of rich corporations and will not lead to new taxes. The science for AGW does threaten those interests, so naturally it is under more scrutiny and is being criticized.

And you really have no understanding of the free market system if you think a corporation has an obligation to discredit science that shows its products are harmful since it exists "by law, to make a profit". It's not an obligation, it's a natural reaction to someone seeking to destroy your way of life. In that regards, it explains the mafia hits against global warming doubters, but unlike you people, we on the right recognize that and accept that as a necessary evil for live in a free society.


I think we are saying the same thing. The fundamental purpose of a corporation is to make a profit. This is their "way of life", as you put it. Of course they will do whatever is legally permissible to protect those profits. If they do not, they risk shareholder lawsuits for "Fiduciary breach of responsibility".

I think you didn't mean to say "mafia hits against doubters" above. The mafia is not hitting the doubters.

Jeff Masters
430. PensacolaDoug 14:53 GMT le 07 décembre 2009    
Why won't NASA release their data? The request was made 2 years and 4 months ago. Clear violation of the FOIA.
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432. biff4ugo 15:00 GMT le 07 décembre 2009    
Which data is this?

As for the video.
When you look at the hottest years in the past decade, they don't match up with the temperature of the sun.
Drawing one line on a graph slower than another does not mean the slower line's data follows the first.
Nice deception.
I love that the video gives the basic fact that nearly all of our energy comes from the sun but ignores the other basic fact that what effects the earth is how much of that radiation is absorbed or reflected here on earth.
The scientists quoted throw in tidy opinions backed up by "I think" instead of studies or data.
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433. bophame 15:00 GMT le 07 décembre 2009    
Quoting JFLORIDA:


Pajamas media is an admitted right wing source - who is altering important data now? THIS IS INFORMATION PEOPLE USE TO MAKE DECISIONS. You could at least try to be non partisan. When scientists TALKED about it in E mail you guys went ballistic buy you do it in REAL LIFE all the time.


Ad hom. Just because it's a "rightwing" source doens't mean it's inaccurate. In my book, a source with an "admitted" POV is more trustworthy than one that claims to be "objective". Furthermore, I have seen Powerline correct, and do so prominently, when it is in error.

Finally, the article is positive about the WaPo article. When a reviewer with a POV opposed to that of what is being reviewed comments favorably, that enhances the credibility of both the article under consideration and the objectivity of the commenter.

WaPo is essentially state-run media. It has taken weeks for it to give Climategate play. Indeed, aren't there noises coming from the left wing about a government financial takeover of mainstream media, otherwise known as a "bailout"?
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434. PensacolaDoug 15:01 GMT le 07 décembre 2009    
Are you for "Cap and Trade" JFlorida?
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435. AussieStorm 15:02 GMT le 07 décembre 2009    


Tropical Disturbance Summary For area Equator to 25S, 160E to 120W
ISSUED FROM RSMC NADI Dec 07/0859 UTC 2009 UTC.

TROPICAL DISTURBANCE TD01F [1004HPA] ANALYSED NEAR 12S 164E AT 070600
UTC. SLOW MOVING. POSITION POOR BASED ON MTSAT IR IMAGERY WITH
ANIMATION AND PERIPHERAL OBSERVATIONS. ORGANISATION IS NOT WELL
DEFINED IN THE LAST 24 HOURS HOWEVER CYCLONIC CIRCULATION DEFINED
FROM LOW-MID LEVEL [850-500HPA]. TD01F LIES TO THE SOUTH OF AN UPPER
250HPA RIDGE AXIS AND ALONG SURFACE TROUGH IN A MODERATELY SHEARED
ENVIRONMENT. SST AROUND 30 DEGREES CELSIUS. GLOBAL MODELS [GFS, AVN,
EC, UK] DO NOT INDICATE FURTHER DEEPENING OF THIS SYSTEM. POTENTIAL
FOR THIS SYSTEM TO DEVELOP INTO A TROPICAL CYCLONE IN THE NEXT 24 TO
48 HOURS IS LOW.

TROPICAL DISTURBANCE TD02F [1006HPA] ANALYSED NEAR 06S 178E AT 070600
UTC. SLOW MOVING. POSITION POOR BASED ON MTSAT IR IMAGERY WITH
ANIMATION AND PERIPHERAL OBSERVATIONS. CONVECTION HAS BEEN PERSISTENT
FOR THE LAST 24 HOURS. ORGANISATION IS POOR. THE SYSTEM LIES JUST TO
THE NORTH OF AN UPPER 250HPA RIDGE AXIS AND ALONG SURFACE TROUGH IN A
MODERATELY SHEARED ENVIRONMENT. SST AROUND 30 DEGREES CELSIUS.
GLOBAL MODELS ARE SLOWLY DEVELOPING THE SYSTEM AND MOVING IT
SOUTHEAST. POTENTIAL FOR THIS SYSTEM TO DEVELOP INTO A TROPICAL
CYCLONE IN THE NEXT 24 TO 48 HOURS IS MODERATE.


THERE ARE NO OTHER SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL DISTURBANCES ANALYSED OR
FORECAST IN THE AREA.
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436. PensacolaDoug 15:03 GMT le 07 décembre 2009    
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
Why won't NASA release their data? The request was made 2 years and 4 months ago. Clear violation of the FOIA.



Afraid to touch this one?
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439. calusakat 15:09 GMT le 07 décembre 2009    
Re: Post 422

Wow, am I impressed.

The artwork on that graph is great.

I am so excited. I can't wait to see it when they put actual data into the grid instead of that ole prototype testing data like they did.
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440. PensacolaDoug 15:10 GMT le 07 décembre 2009    
Probably an ownership issue:


Riiighhht.....

NASA is a publically funded organization and as such is subject to FOIA. Compliance is supposed to be 20 days.
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441. PensacolaDoug 15:13 GMT le 07 décembre 2009    
And now were supposed to give Multi-billions to China and India to help them go green? Thats what is being discussed in SKOAL...
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442. StormChaser81 15:13 GMT le 07 décembre 2009    
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
Probably an ownership issue:


Riiighhht.....

NASA is a publically funded organization and as such is subject to FOIA. Compliance is supposed to be 20 days.


Hey did you ever get any snow flurries from the storm friday?
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443. bophame 15:13 GMT le 07 décembre 2009    
Quoting JFLORIDA:


Temperature data was not "debunked" you need to source that.

Tree rings, while not a wholly singular accurate source of data are none the less useful in statistical analysis.

You said a mouthful of unsound innuendo and presented it as "fact"


Happy to:

Just two months ago Wigley wrote to Phil Jones, CRU head, to say that sceptic Steve McIntyre was actually right, CRU deputy director Keith Briffa had made an extraordinary “mess” of tree ring data which he’d claimed showed the world hadn’t been hotter. Wigley also wondered why Briffa had chosen just 12 trees in Yamal to show modern warming, and failed to include a much larger sample which would have shown cooling instead.

As to the temperature data is there any archive anywhere that is transparent to all researchers (ie, open to the public) and not corrupt? There is a French set, limited to Europe and the US, and it fails to show the hockey stick:

In addition to calculating temperature averages for Europe, Courtillot and his colleagues calculated temperature averages for the United States. Once again, their method yielded more refined averages that were not a close match with the coarser CRU temperature averages. The warmest period was in 1930, slightly above the temperatures at the end of the 20th century. This was followed by 30 years of cooling, then another 30 years of warming.

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444. stormygace 15:15 GMT le 07 décembre 2009    
Hmmm... scientists not political, not interested in $$$? Rephrase that & get a different outcome - scientists are most CERTAINLY interested in funding, a lion's share being Federal, for their projects. Feted topics receive more funding & less feted become, well, orphans in the funding arena. No scientist wants his/her project to become an orphan. Those funds matter - they are the lifeblood for the project & income for the researcher(s) to feed, clothe & vacation the spouse & wee bairns... so yes, it does get political, just not couched in gross right/left terms. Sly jockeying & sometimes humorous fawning are not uncommon both at meetings and on peer review committees. To say otherwise is, to couch it in the kindest terms, disingenuous.

Oh, a moment of silence please to recognize those who were attacked & killed at Pearl Harbor today in 1941 - the event that propelled the United States into WWII.
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446. TampaSpin 15:17 GMT le 07 décembre 2009    
So, for the ones that claim of proof, of now the new word "Climate Change" is caused by Man! Why, would we change the name from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change" and why was this done? See how easy the Spin on Words are from the Pro- side. This crap is so funny!
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447. presslord 15:17 GMT le 07 décembre 2009    
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
Why won't NASA release their data? The request was made 2 years and 4 months ago. Clear violation of the FOIA.


not necessarily...not all information is subject to release under FOI...and it often takes time to sort out a request...
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448. bophame 15:19 GMT le 07 décembre 2009    
Quoting JFLORIDA:


Probably an ownership issue:


Met Office to publish warming data


He said the Met Office had "every confidence" in the data which would show that global temperatures had warmed up over the last 150 years.

Further information may be released at a later date after the Met Office wrote to 188 countries for permission to publish the remainder of the historic data.


Counterlink:

[Courtillot et al's] first step was to assemble a database of temperature measurements and plot temperature charts. To do that, they needed raw temperature measurements that had not been averaged or adjusted in any way. Courtillot asked Phil Jones, the scientist who runs the CRU database, for his raw data, telling him (according to one of the ‘Climategate’ emails that surfaced following the recent hacking of CRU’s computer systems) “there may be some quite important information in the daily values which is likely lost on monthly averaging.” Jones refused Courtillot’s request for data, saying that CRU had “signed agreements with national meteorological services saying they would not pass the raw data onto third parties.” (Interestingly, in another of the CRU emails, Jones said something very different: “I took a decision not to release our [meteorological] station data, mainly because of McIntyre,” referring to Canadian Steve McIntyre, who helped uncover the flaws in the hockey stick graph.)
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449. TampaSpin 15:19 GMT le 07 décembre 2009    
Even funnier is i got a 24hr bann for posting an Al Gore pic on Global Warming or Climate Change.....as a paying person on this site. I will never pay for this site again!
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450. Buhdog 15:19 GMT le 07 décembre 2009    
Dr J with the in game commentary...nice!!

Going home to Ohio for 2 weeks in x-mas from swfl...kids have never seen snow! anyone want to take a guess a let me know if they will? (dayton)
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