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Heaviest 1-day rain in Oklahoma City history; 92L fizzles
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 14:45 GMT le 15 juin 2010 +4
Oklahoma City's rainiest day in history brought rampaging floods to the city and surrounding areas yesterday, as widespread rain amounts of 8 - 11 inches deluged the city. Fortunately, no confirmed deaths or injuries have been blamed on the mayhem, though damage is extensive. Oklahoma City's Will Rogers Airport received 7.62" of rain yesterday, smashing the record for the rainiest day in city history. According to the National Climatic Data Center, the city's previous rainiest day occurred September 22, 1970, when 7.53 inches fell. Some rivers continue to rise due to all the rain, and the Canadian River east of downtown Oklahoma City is four feet over flood stage, with major flooding expected today. You can track the flooding using our wundermap with the USGS Flood layer turned on.


Figure 1. Radar-estimated precipitation for the period June 14 - 15, 2010, during the Oklahoma City floods. A large swath of 8 - 10 inches of rain (dark red colors) was indicated, from Oklahoma City northeastwards.

An inordinate number of major U.S. floods this year
We've had an inordinate number of severe floods in the U.S. so far this year. The worst was the May Tennessee flood, which killed 31 people--the highest death toll from a non-tropical cyclone flooding event in the U.S. since 1994, and the most devastating disaster in Tennessee since the Civil War. The Tennessee floods were rated as a 1000-year flood for Middle Tennessee, West Tennessee, South Central and Western Kentucky and northern Mississippi. Two-day rain totals in some areas were greater than 19 inches.Last Friday's disastrous flash flood in Albert Pike Recreation Area, Arkansas, killed twenty people. That flood was triggered by 8+ inches of rain that fell in just a few hours over the rugged mountains west of Hot Springs. And in March, record rains from a slow-moving and extremely wet Nor'easter triggered historic flooding in Rhode Island and Southeastern Massachusetts, with several rivers exceeding their 100-year flood levels. The 16.32" of rain that fell on Providence, Rhode Island, made March that city's wettest month in recorded history.

All of these flooding events were associated with airmasses though brought record-breaking warm temperatures to surrounding regions of the country. For example, during the overnight hours when the June 11 flood in Arkansas occurred, fifty airports in the Southern and Midwestern U.S. had their highest minimum temperatures on record. During the 1000-year flood in Tennessee, 51 warm minimum temperatures records were set in the eastern half of the U.S. on May 1, and 97 records on May 2. Rhode Island's record wettest March also happened to be its record warmest March. And the air mass that spawned yesterday's Oklahoma City floods set record warm minimum temperatures at 22 airports across the central and Eastern portions of the U.S. on Monday. All this is not surprising, since more moisture can evaporate into warmer air, making record-setting rainfall events more likely when record warm temperatures are present. The total number of airports in the U.S. considered for these comparisons is around 500, so we're talking about significant portions of the U.S. being exposed to these record-breaking warm airmasses this year. For the spring months of March - May, it was the 21st warmest such period in the 116-year record, according to the National Climatic Data Center. At the 500 or so largest airports in the U.S., daily high temperature records outnumbered low temperature records by about a factor 2.5, 1200 to 508. Record high minimums this spring outnumbered record low maximums by 1163 to 568. So far in June, record daily highs have outpaced record lows by 176 to 13, and record high minimums have outpaced record low maximums, 419 to 62.

Flooding and global warming
Groisman et al. (2004) found that in the U.S. during the 20th century, there was a 16% increase in cold season (October - April) "heavy" precipitation events (greater than 2 inches in one day), a 25% increase in "very heavy" precipitation events (greater than 4 inches in one day), and a 36% rise in "extreme" precipitation events (those in the 99.9% percentile--1 in 1000 events.) A sharp rise in extreme precipitation is what is predicted by global warming models in the scientific literature Hegerl et al. (2004). According the landmark 2009 U.S. Climate Impact Report from the U.S. Global Change Research Program, "the amount of rain falling in the heaviest downpours has increased approximately 20 percent on average in the past century, and this trend is very likely to continue, with the largest increases in the wettest places." Most of this increase came since 1970, due to the approximate 1°F increase in U.S. average temperature since 1970. That 1°F increase in temperature means that there is 4% more moisture in the atmosphere, on average. According to the 2007 IPCC report, water vapor in the global atmosphere has increased by about 5% over the 20th century, and 4% since 1970. Satellite measurements (Trenberth et al., 2005) have shown a 1.3% per decade increase in water vapor over the global oceans since 1988. Santer et al. (2007) used a climate model to study the relative contribution of natural and human-caused effects on increasing water vapor, and concluded that this increase was "primarily due to human-caused increases in greenhouse gases". This was also the conclusion of Willet et al. (2007).

Dr. Joe Romm over at climateprogress.org has an excellent interview with Dr. Kevin Trenberth of the National Center of Atmospheric Research on the subject of heavy precipitation events and global warming. Dr. Trenberth is the world's leading expert on water vapor in the atmosphere, and he comments that "since the 1970s, on average, there's about a 4% increase in water vapor over the Atlantic Ocean, and when that gets caught into a storm, it invigorates the storm so the storm itself changes, and that can easily double the influence of that water vapor and so you can get up to an 8% increase, straight from the amount of water vapor that's sort of hanging around in the atmosphere. This is reasonably well established." Dr. Trenberth further comments, "Now the physical cause for this is very much related to the water vapor that flows into these storms. And these kinds of storms, well all storms for that matter, reach out on average--this is very much a gross average--about 4 times the radius or 16 times the area of the region that's precipitating, the rain. And for these kinds of storms a lot of the moisture is coming out of the sub-tropical Atlantic and even the tropical Atlantic; some of it comes out of the Gulf of Mexico. And so the moisture actually travels about 2000 miles where it gets caught up in these storms and then it rains down. And the key thing is, that in the tropical and sub-tropical Atlantic the sea temperatures are at very high levels and in fact they're the highest on record at the moment right in the eastern tropical Atlantic. It's going to be interesting to see what that does for this hurricane season coming up."

We cannot say that any of this year's flooding disasters were definitely due to global warming, and part of the reason for this year's numerous U.S. flooding disasters is simply bad luck. However, higher temperatures do cause an increased chance of heavy precipitation events, and it is likely that the flooding in some of this year's U.S. flooding disasters were significantly enhanced by the presence of more water vapor in the air due to global warming. We can expect a large increase in flooding disasters in the U.S. and worldwide if the climate continues to warm as expected.


Figure 2. A portable classroom building from a nearby high school floats past submerged cars on I-24 near Nashville, TN on May 1, 2010. One person died in the flooding in this region of I-24. Roughly 200 - 250 vehicles got submerged on this section of I-24, according to wunderphotographer laughingjester, who was a tow truck operator called in to clear out the stranded vehicles.

Funding issues threaten hundreds of streamgages
According to the USGS web site, river stage data from 292 streamgages has been discontinued recently, or is scheduled for elimination in the near future due to budget cuts. In Tennessee, 16 streamflow gages with records going back up to 85 years will stop collecting data on July 1 because of budget cuts. Five gages in Arkansas are slated for elimination this year. Hardest hit will be Pennsylvania, which will lose 30 of its 258 streamgages. With over 50 people dead from two flooding disasters already this year, now hardly seems to be the time to be skimping on monitoring river flow levels by cutting funding for hundreds of streamgages. These gages are critical for proper issuance of flood warnings to people in harm's way. Furthermore, most of the northern 2/3 of the U.S. can expect a much higher incidence of record flooding in coming decades. This will be driven by two factors: increased urban development causing faster run-off, and an increase in very heavy precipitation events due to global warming.


Figure 3. Streamgages that have been discontinued or are being considered for discontinuation or for conversion from continuous record discharge to stage-only stations. Funds for these 292 threatened streamgages are from the U.S. Geological Survey and other Federal, State, Tribal, and local agencies. For those streamgages that have already been discontinued, extensive efforts were made to find another funding source; however, when no funding was made available the streamgages had to be discontinued. If you have questions about specific streamgages, click on the state of concern on the USGS web page of threatened stream gages.

Dry air disrupting 92L
Invest 92L, which yesterday was a remarkably well-developed African tropical wave for so early in the season, has fizzled, due to dry air. Infrared satellite loops show the disturbance has lost nearly all of its heavy thunderstorms, and water vapor satellite loops show that the storm has wrapped a large amount of dry air to the west into the storm's center of circulation. With the storm continuing to track west-northwest to northwest into dryer air, the prospects for 92L developing into a tropical depression appear dim. With wind shear expected to rise from its current levels of 10 - 15 knots to 20 - 25 knots on Wednesday, the combination of shear and dry air should be able to pretty much destroy 92L on Wednesday. Shear values will likely increase to 30 - 40 knots by Friday, when 92L will move into the northern Lesser Antilles Islands. There is a window of opportunity this afternoon for 92L to fend off the dry air and organize into a tropical depression. One advantage the storm has it that it has developed a well-formed surface circulation. The low-level center of circulation is easy to spot on satellite imagery, since wind shear due to strong upper-level winds from the west have exposed the center to view. The National Hurricane Center is giving 92L a moderate (30% chance) of developing into a tropical depression by Thursday morning. I would put the chances a bit lower, at 20%. Even if 92L does develop into a tropical depression, it is highly unlikely to cause any trouble for the Lesser Antilles Islands, since wind shear and dry air will probably destroy the system before it can reach the islands.


Figure 4. Morning satellite image of Invest 92L. The low-level circulation is easy to spot on satellite imagery, since wind shear due to strong upper-level winds from the west have exposed the center to view. A small clump of heavy thunderstorms is located just east of the exposed center of circulation.

Elsewhere in the tropics
None of the reliable computer models is calling for tropical cyclone development in the Atlantic over the next seven days. There is a small swirl of low clouds visible in satellite imagery at 8N, 22W, just off the coast of Africa, associated with a tropical wave. This circulation is under wind shear of about 20 knots, which is probably too high for such a small circulation to survive in.

Oil spill wind and ocean current forecast
Light, predominantly southwesterly to westerly winds of 5 - 10 knots will blow in the northern Gulf of Mexico most of this week, according to the latest marine forecast from NOAA. The more westerly wind direction is expected to maintain a slow (1/2 mph) eastward-moving surface ocean current that will transport oil eastwards along the Florida Panhandle coast, according to the latest ocean current forecast from NOAA's HYCOM model. These winds and currents may be capable of transporting oil as far east as Panama City, Florida, by the end of the week. Oil will continue to threaten the coasts of Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi for the remainder of the week as well, according to the latest trajectory forecasts from NOAA and the State of Louisiana. The long range 8 - 16 day forecast from the GFS model indicates a typical summertime light wind regime, with winds mostly blowing out of the south or southeast. This wind regime will likely keep oil close to the coastal areas that have already seen oil impacts over the past two weeks.

NOAA has lauched a great new interactive mapping tool that allows one to overlay wind forecasts, ocean current forecasts, oil location, etc.

Oil spill resources
My post, What a hurricane would do the Deepwater Horizon oil spill
My post on the Southwest Florida "Forbidden Zone" where surface oil will rarely go
My post on what oil might do to a hurricane
NOAA has lauched a great new interactive mapping tool that allows one to overlay wi
nd forecasts, ocean current forecasts, oil location, etc.
Gulf Oil Blog from the UGA Department of Marine Sciences
Oil Spill Academic Task Force
University of South Florida Ocean Circulation Group oil spill forecasts
ROFFS Deepwater Horizon page
Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) imagery from the University of Miami

"Hurricane Haven" airing again this afternoon
Tune into another airing of my live Internet radio show, "Hurricane Haven", at 4pm EDT today. Listeners will be able to call in and ask questions. The call in number is 415-983-2634, or you can post a question in the comments area on my blog. You can also email the questions to me today before the show: jmasters@wunderground.com. Be sure to include "Hurricane Haven question" in the subject line. Some topics I'll cover today on the show:

1) Why did 92L die so quickly?
2) Is the formation of 92L a harbinger of an active hurricane season?
3) What damage could a hurricane do to oil drilling platforms and underwater pipes at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico?

Today's show, will be 1/2 hour, and you can tune in at http://www.wunderground.com/wxradio/wubroadcast.h tml. The show will be recorded and stored as a podcast.

Jeff Masters
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602. TampaSpin 22:02 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Quoting Levi32:


Note the popcorn convection going off in that image on 92L's west side. This is indicating a more unstable atmosphere due to warmer SSTs to the west, and don't forget that the TUTT is still there. The TUTT enhances tropical waves as they approach the eastern Caribbean. Although the TUTT produces wind shear, it can also cause convection to blow up over tropical waves as they approach it. We saw this with the nasty wave that passed over the Windwards last week. While 92L isn't a tropical wave, this same upper divergence associated with the TUTT might help some convection to fire later on as the system moves over warmer water. You can tell it wants to, but is still lacking energy.

And all I am doing right now is finding reasons to keep tracking it.


Thats some pretty good analysis and thinking there and very true.....YOU might eventually get pretty good at this and answer all of J....F....V's....answers as to when and where and how strong the storm will hit SE Florida when its 7 days out.....LOL
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603. kmanislander 22:05 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Quoting TampaSpin:


Thats some pretty good analysis and thinking there and very true.....YOU might eventually get pretty good at this and answer all of J....F....V's....answers as to when and where and how strong the storm will hit SE Florida when its 7 days out.....LOL


LOL

I'm out for now. Have a good evening all
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604. Dakster 22:05 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
TampaSpin - I almost fell off my chair when I read that.
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605. MiamiHurricanes09 22:06 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Quoting TampaSpin:


Thats some pretty good analysis and thinking there and very true.....YOU might eventually get pretty good at this and answer all of J....F....V's....answers as to when and where and how strong the storm will hit SE Florida when its 7 days out.....LOL
LMAO!
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606. beell 22:06 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Quoting kmanislander:


I spent a lot of time last year looking back at 30 years of TD's that formed in the Eastern Caribbean and noticed a few interesting stats. The first was that only about 8 TDs in total formed in the Eastern Caribbean for every season over that period of time and of those that did half formed on the tail end of late season fronts that pushed down from the GOM.

The other interesting thing I noticed was that if a TD did not form from a wave before passing 63W it did not develop until it was in the area near Jamaica ( about 78 W ).

John Hope used to speak of this phenomenon often when he was alive but I was curious to see just what the stats were on it.


Afternoon, kman,
Doc Masters addressed one contributing factor for the eastern Caribbean dead zone on his radio show this afternoon.

The presence of the central Caribbean low level jet (from E to W) results in a general downward motion in the eastern Caribbean to replace the mass of low level air streaking to the west.

Downward motion-less conducive to convection.
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607. TampaSpin 22:10 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Dang i hope i don't get Banned for that.....hey i gave you all a laugh! Make sure you fight for my get out of jail card....hehehehe
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608. MiamiHurricanes09 22:11 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
92L firing some popcorn showers.
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609. Levi32 22:13 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Quoting TampaSpin:


Thats some pretty good analysis and thinking there and very true.....YOU might eventually get pretty good at this and answer all of J....F....V's....answers as to when and where and how strong the storm will hit SE Florida when its 7 days out.....LOL


LOL
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610. mrsalagranny 22:15 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Quoting TampaSpin:
Dang i hope i don't get Banned for that.....hey i gave you all a laugh! Make sure you fight for my get out of jail card....hehehehe
Tampa if you get banned for that I will gladly take your place and get banned for you so we can keep you on here.We are really gonna need all the good bloggers this year.So tell admins to take me instead.LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
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611. Chicklit 22:15 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Also (on the radio show) Dr. Masters said he didn't believe 92L was ever a tropical depression.
Although it had a closed low, it didn't have what it took for long enough.
Said it is a subjective judgement whether to designate. Something computers can't do.
Nor can little dweebs with high school educations. LOL
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612. TampaSpin 22:16 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
I was just looking at the live feeds of the Oil mess.....i know BP claims they are collecting nearly 12,000barrels a day i believe was the last i heard......have you all looked at it...heck there looks like 12,000 barrel are still coming out....you all gotta keep into mind when looking at the oil just how big the pipe there is.....its a lot larger than it appears.....I don't know..but, what a mess!
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613. IKE 22:18 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Quoting TampaSpin:
I was just looking at the live feeds of the Oil mess.....i know BP claims they are collecting nearly 12,000barrels a day i believe was the last i heard......have you all looked at it...heck there looks like 12,000 barrel are still coming out....you all gotta keep into mind when looking at the oil just how big the pipe there is.....its a lot larger than it appears.....I don't know..but, what a mess!


You didn't know? New Government estimate...35,000 to 60,000 barrels a day are coming out of that oil volcano. BP is collecting 15,000 barrels a day.

Do the math with what that leaves killing the GOM off daily.
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614. MiamiHurricanes09 22:19 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Quoting Chicklit:
Also (on the radio show) Dr. Masters said he didn't believe 92L was ever a tropical depression.
Although it had a closed low, it didn't have what it took for long enough.
Said it is a subjective judgement whether to designate. Something computers can't do.
Nor can little dweebs with high school educations. LOL
LOL!!!
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615. WaterWitch11 22:20 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
general honore interview on what should be done concerning the oil spill
Link

"oil spill" doesn't sound like the right way to describe this anymore
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616. severstorm 22:20 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Quoting TampaSpin:
I was just looking at the live feeds of the Oil mess.....i know BP claims they are collecting nearly 12,000barrels a day i believe was the last i heard......have you all looked at it...heck there looks like 12,000 barrel are still coming out....you all gotta keep into mind when looking at the oil just how big the pipe there is.....its a lot larger than it appears.....I don't know..but, what a mess!

TS i saw your comment this am about you wife, I hope shes ok and that oil pipe is 21 inches on the inside round.
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618. Chicklit 22:22 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Glad to see you laugh, MH09...there is hope for you!
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619. IKE 22:23 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
144 hour 18Z GFS....what's that east of the islands? Coming in line with the ECMWF...

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620. Drakoen 22:23 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Quoting Chicklit:
Also (on the radio show) Dr. Masters said he didn't believe 92L was ever a tropical depression.
Although it had a closed low, it didn't have what it took for long enough.
Said it is a subjective judgement whether to designate. Something computers can't do.
Nor can little dweebs with high school educations. LOL



He really said that?
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621. tkeith 22:23 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Quoting IKE:


You didn't know? New Government estimate...35,000 to 60,000 barrels a day are coming out of that oil volcano. BP is collecting 15,000 barrels a day.

Do the math with what that leaves killing the GOM off daily.
OILCANO...

I'll eat crow if this well lasts till the relief wells get drilled. I believe it's deteriorating rather quickly now.
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622. Patrap 22:24 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
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623. Chicklit 22:24 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Not the dweeb part ! (ROFL)
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624. Patrap 22:25 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Quoting Drakoen:



He really said that?



Hardly..Drak.

Chicklit added the Humor
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625. IKE 22:25 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Quoting Drakoen:



He really said that?
Quoting Chicklit:
Also (on the radio show) Dr. Masters said he didn't believe 92L was ever a tropical depression.
Although it had a closed low, it didn't have what it took for long enough.
Said it is a subjective judgement whether to designate. Something computers can't do.
Nor can little dweebs with high school educations. LOL


Dr. Masters said that?
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626. pottery 22:25 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Quoting tkeith:
OILCANO...

I'll eat crow if this well lasts till the relief weels get drilled. I believe it's deteriorating rather quickly now.

Deteriorating in what way?
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627. Levi32 22:25 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Quoting Chicklit:
Not the dweeb part ! (ROFL)


Goodness I was beginning to think he really does hate me lol.
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628. IKE 22:25 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
LMAO...okay.......
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629. Drakoen 22:25 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Quoting Chicklit:
Not the dweeb part ! (ROFL)


LOL
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630. MiamiHurricanes09 22:26 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Quoting Chicklit:
Glad to see you laugh, MH09...there is hope for you!
Hopefully, lol.
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631. twhcracker 22:26 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Quoting Chicklit:
Not the dweeb part ! (ROFL)


omg thank goodness. i was offended on behalf of all dweebs altho i am a college educated large dweeb.
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632. IKE 22:27 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Quoting pottery:

Deteriorating in what way?


I heard an expert on CNN a week ago stating he thought it could be damaged beyond the relief well.

Congressional hearings today...ALL of the oil companies have the same plan as BP for an oil spill!
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634. MiamiHurricanes09 22:27 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Quoting IKE:
144 hour 18Z GFS....what's that east of the islands? Coming in line with the ECMWF...

It's that wave that emerged off of Africa a couple days ago, it's just west of the African coast right now.
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635. pcolasky 22:28 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Quoting TampaSpin:
I was just looking at the live feeds of the Oil mess.....i know BP claims they are collecting nearly 12,000barrels a day i believe was the last i heard......have you all looked at it...heck there looks like 12,000 barrel are still coming out....you all gotta keep into mind when looking at the oil just how big the pipe there is.....its a lot larger than it appears.....I don't know..but, what a mess!


Obama was here in Pensacola today. This spill is going to have long lasting effects on the entire west coast of FL for years and years.
636. Patrap 22:28 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
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637. indianrivguy 22:28 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Quoting twhcracker:


omg thank goodness. i was offended on behalf of all dweebs altho i am a college educated large dweeb.


maybe, but your hat is the coolest... so dweeb away!
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638. tkeith 22:29 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Quoting pottery:

Deteriorating in what way?
from the friction inside the well...the damaged BOP...the failed attempts...I think the flow is increasing daay by day. There are some good ROV views of cracks in the seabed around the well with oil coming up out of the floor of the Gulf...I checked the coordinates it's at the well site...
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639. MrstormX 22:30 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Dweebs, eh?
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640. WatchingThisOne 22:30 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Quoting IKE:
BREAKING NEWS from CNN.....

Government experts....estimate...35,000 to 60,000 barrels a day flowing from the GOM oil volcano. They're capturing 15,000 barrels a day.

You do the math!

BP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Per a very well researched article in Rolling Stone, the median of independent scientific estimates is 55,000 bbl/day. At 42 gal/bbl, that is 2.3 million gallons/day. If they can continuously capture 15,000 bbl/day the number drops to 1.7 million gallons/day.

Although this might be breaking "official" news, it's right in the ballpark of what independent experts have been saying all along. There may additionally be substantial seepage from the ocean floor if the casing below the wellhead has been compromised and now provides a path into the foundation, as seems likely.

All eyes are on the relief well drillers, and will remain there until this is done (probably in the October to December time frame, given the very active tropical cyclone season that is being forecast by pretty much everyone. Sadly, we are unlikely to "get lucky" with weather conditions.)
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641. Levi32 22:31 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
92L not giving up....trying to burst before diurnal minimum is even over, something it hasn't done before.

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642. Drakoen 22:32 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
GFS 18z shows a decent system from the tropical atlantic getting into the Central Caribbea
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643. IKE 22:32 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Quoting WatchingThisOne:


Per a very well researched article in Rolling Stone, the median of independent scientific estimates is 55,000 bbl/day. At 42 gal/bbl, that is 2.3 million gallons/day. If they can continuously capture 15,000 bbl/day the number drops to 1.7 million gallons/day.

Although this might be breaking "official" news, it's right in the ballpark of what independent experts have been saying all along. There may additionally be substantial seepage from the ocean floor if the casing below the well has been compromised and now provides a path into the foundation, as seems likely.

All eyes are on the relief well drillers, and will remain there until this is done (probably in the October to December time frame, given the very active tropical cyclone season that is being forecast by pretty much everyone. Sadly, we are unlikely to "get lucky" with weather conditions.)


I heard that too...Oct. to December.
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644. MiamiHurricanes09 22:33 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Quoting Levi32:
92L not giving up....trying to burst during diurnal minimum, something it hasn't done before.

Agreed. Tonight I have some stuff to do so I'll probably be up until the beginning of the diurnal maximum (2:00-3:00 AM EDT). Let's see if it can fire some convection during that time frame.
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645. Drakoen 22:33 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
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646. Patrap 22:33 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
The well has a lot of problems below the BOP.

If we lose the Bore,

..well,...things can go for years..spill wise.
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647. Levi32 22:34 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Quoting pottery:

Deteriorating in what way?


Pottery....look out lol.

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648. MrstormX 22:35 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Looks like the models got it right on the EPAC systems.
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649. pottery 22:36 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Quoting IKE:


I heard an expert on CNN a week ago stating he thought it could be damaged beyond the relief well.

Congressional hearings today...ALL of the oil companies have the same plan as BP for an oil spill!

I wonder what that could mean.
As in the 'expert thought' etc, ..'beyond the relief well'
I would like to know what he meant.
Does he think that the casing is fractured or is gas/oil leaking around the casing, or what, all the way down at the bottom of the hole?
Because there is nothing coming up anywhere except from the BOP as far as we know...
And the BOP is connected to the top of the casing.
Strange.


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650. Drakoen 22:38 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Good model support for a potential system in the 8-10 day time frame. If 92L does not give us Alex this next system may pose a threat to become the first named storm.
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651. pottery 22:38 GMT le 15 juin 2010    
Quoting Levi32:


Pottery....look out lol.


You are NOT allowed to do that, without a date-stamp on it!!
SHOULD I HEAD FOR THE OUTHOUSE NOW ?? SIR?
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