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92L very disorganized, but a long-range threat to develop
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 14:05 GMT le 18 juin 2010 +2
Invest 92L, which yesterday became severely disrupted by wind shear and dry air, is generating a large area of rain showers over the northern Lesser Antilles Islands today. Infrared satellite loops show that the tops of the thunderstorms associated with 92L have warmed in recent hours, and these thunderstorms are weak and disorganized. Water vapor satellite loops show that there is a large amount of dry air in the storm's environment, and this dry air is getting sucked into 92L's thunderstorms, where the dry air is sinking to the surface and creating surface "arc clouds"--arc-shaped clouds that spread out away from 92L's thunderstorms. With wind shear at 20 - 30 knots today, no signs of a surface circulation, and plenty of dry air around, 92L is not a threat to develop into a tropical depression today or Saturday. The National Hurricane Center is giving 92L a low (20% chance) of developing into a tropical depression by Sunday morning. I put the chances at 1%. You can track the progress of 92L today by looking at our wundermap for the region, with weather stations turned on. Antigua recorded sustaiined winds of 20 mph this morning from 92L.

A slight chance 92L could develop next week
Today and Saturday, 92L will encounter 20 - 40 knots of wind shear as it plows though a region of strong upper-level winds associated with the subtropical jet stream. The disturbance will also encounter the mountainous terrain of Hispaniola. These factors should significantly disrupt the disturbance. If there's anything left of 92L by Sunday, when it will be over eastern Cuba, the storm may have the opportunity to develop. At that time, 92L will have passed through the core of the subtropical jet stream and entered a region of lower shear (15 - 20 knots.) For the latest round of 00Z and 06Z model runs, the HWRF is the only reliable model calling for 92L to develop; that model predicts that 92L will organize into a tropical depression on Wednesday over the Lower Florida Keys, and head into the Gulf of Mexico. The obstacles that 92L must overcome to do this are great, and I give 92L just a 10% chance of eventually developing into a tropical depression by Wednesday next week.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of Invest 92L. Dry air is getting sucked into 92L's thunderstorms, where the more dense dry air creates downdrafts. When these downdrafts hit the surface, the air spreads out creating surface "arc clouds"--arc-shaped clouds that spread out away from 92L's thunderstorms. This puts stable air into the storm's low level environment and blocks inflow of moist air into the core of the storm, weakening it. These arc clouds are a telltale sign that dry air is significantly disrupting the disturbance.

Elsewhere in the tropics
The NOGAPS model is calling for a tropical disturbance to form off the coast of Nicaragua on Monday and push ashore over that country on Tuesday, bringing heavy rains.

Wind and ocean current forecast for the BP oil disaster
Light and variable winds less than 10 knots will blow in the northern Gulf of Mexico for the next five days, according to the latest marine forecast from NOAA. The winds will tend to have a westerly component through Saturday, which will maintain a threat of oil hitting beaches as far east as Panama City, Florida, according to the latest trajectory forecasts from NOAA and the State of Louisiana. Ocean current forecasts for early next week show a weakening of the eastward-flowing currents along the Florida Panhandle, which would limit the eastward movement of oil so that it would not move past Panama City. The long range 8 - 16 day forecast from the GFS model indicates a typical summertime light wind regime, with winds mostly blowing out of the south or southeast. This wind regime will likely keep oil close to the coastal areas that have already seen oil impacts over the past two weeks.

Resources for the BP oil disaster
My post, What a hurricane would do the Deepwater Horizon oil spill
My post on the Southwest Florida "Forbidden Zone" where surface oil will rarely go
My post on what oil might do to a hurricane
NOAA's new interactive mapping tool allows one to overlay wind and ocean current forecasts, oil locations, etc.
Gulf Oil Blog from the UGA Department of Marine Sciences
Oil Spill Academic Task Force
University of South Florida Ocean Circulation Group oil spill forecasts
ROFFS Deepwater Horizon page
Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) imagery from the University of Miami

I'll have an update on Saturday.

Jeff Masters
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901. MiamiHurricanes09 22:05 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting kmanislander:
Good afternoon folks

I continue to be amazed at the tenacity of 92L. It simply refuses to go away. Although I have never been bullish on it developing there is no gainsaying the fact that were it not for very high shear values the Eastern Caribbean could be dealing with something quite serious today.

The low is trying to refire yet again near 16 North 64 West and if this due W track continues it could start becoming very interesting once it reaches 70 to 75 W IMO.



I agree 100% as usual Kman.
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902. MrstormX 22:06 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting jasoniscoolman09:
its INVEST 94E..


Say hello to 04E, it isn't it yet but probably will be soon.
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903. scott39 22:08 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
If whats happening in the EPAC, is going to be happening over here soon----- HOLD ON!!!
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904. CaicosRetiredSailor 22:09 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Some entries from Jeff's Blog last year:

15 September, 2009
The remains of Hurricane Fred continue to generate sporadic bursts of heavy thunderstorm activity over the middle Atlantic Ocean.

Hurricane Hunters to check out remains of Fred;
September 19, 2009


Fred-ex
The remains of Hurricane Fred are still spinning away about 700 miles east of Florida.

Sep 20, 2009 ... The remains of Hurricane Fred are still spinning away about 600 miles east of the Georgia-Florida border.

Sep 21, 2009 ... The remains of Hurricane Fred are still kicking up heavy thunderstorms about 400 miles east of the Georgia-Florida border.

518. zoomiami 8:04 PM EDT on September 24, 2009
I think that Fredex will be around for a while, out there, in the middle of no where, hanging out with Karen.

etc...
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905. kmanislander 22:09 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
At the speed it is moving now, how long until it reaches the western Caribbean ?


At its current speed of 15 knots ( approx 17 MPH )it would take about 36 hours to get to 75 degrees West assuming a constant speed and a straight line. Factor in deviations and varying speed I would round off somewhere between 36 and 46 hours. Add another 35 hours to reach us at 81 West

The TWD had a speed of 10 to 15 knots and I have used the high end number. Slower means more time obviously.
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906. StormSurgeon 22:10 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting scott39:
Thats what concerns me about 92L and the GOM, Frederic in 1979 was only a TD when it went over the W tip of Cuba and then blew up to a CAT-4 and then hit land as a strong CAT-3! I hope the conditions arent the same in June as September. Its sounds like the climate will unfourtunately be right for 92L.


At least huricane Frederic followed the developmental rules. Of course all remnant lows need to be watched (as everyone on this blog does a great job of), but the odds of these "remnat lows" developing are slim. It's early in the season and it takes a lot more than just warm water.
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907. Hurricanes101 22:11 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting MrstormX:


Say hello to 04E, it isn't it yet but probably will be soon.


next name on the list is Celia
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908. stormwatcherCI 22:11 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting kmanislander:


At its current speed of 15 knots ( approx 17 MPH )it would take abotu 36 hours to get to 75 degrees West assuming a constant speed and a stright line. factor in deviations and varying speed i would round off somewhere between 36 and 46 hours. Add another 35 nours to reach us at 81 West
Thanks. I only know when a system affects Jamaica and moves west it usually takes about 24 hours to reach us more or less.
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909. scott39 22:12 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting StormSurgeon:


At least huricane Frederic followed the developmental rules. Of course all remnant lows need to be watched (as everyone on this blog does a great job of), but the odds of these "remnat lows" developing are slim. It's early in the season and it takes a lot more than just warm water.
Whats different besides warm water for June?
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910. kmanislander 22:13 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
Thanks. I only know when a system affects Jamaica and moves west it usually takes about 24 hours to reach us more or less.


I cleaned up the spelling and typing LOL
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911. KoritheMan 22:14 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting scott39:
Whats different besides warm water for June?


Climatology, which argues that shear will be unfavorable in most areas of the basin. And usually, it's correct.
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912. kmanislander 22:14 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
I agree 100% as usual Kman.


We'll know soon how this will play out.
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913. StormSurgeon 22:14 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting MrstormX:


Here is an interesting question, I wonder where Katrina's Remnant Moisture exists today (if at all)


Nashville?
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914. stormwatcherCI 22:14 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting kmanislander:


I cleaned up the spelling and typing LOL
I didn't even notice it until you "straightened" it out. I think we all type like a certain someone at times. I always try to proof read before I post.
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915. weathersp 22:14 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
According to the Puerto Rican (TJUA) Radar the Thunderstorm complex that is 200 miles SE of San Juan, the cloud tops are around or just above 50,000 ft.
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916. KoritheMan 22:14 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting StormSurgeon:


Nashville?


Good one.
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917. KoritheMan 22:16 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
I didn't even notice it until you "straightened" it out. I think we all type like a certain someone at times. I always try to proof read before I post.


This.
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918. MrstormX 22:16 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting StormSurgeon:


Nashville?


*rolls eyes* lol
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919. scott39 22:17 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting KoritheMan:


Climatology, which argues that shear will be unfavorable in most areas of the basin. And usually, it's correct.
I though shear is suppossed to be favorable this next week in the gom?
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920. MiamiHurricanes09 22:17 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting kmanislander:


We'll know soon how this will play out.
Well there is a weakness around the Bahamas that tropical cyclones are attracted to so 92L will try to move northward towards it. Think of the weakness as a really hot girl and now think of the really ugly guy being attracted to her (weird example, lol) but that's how it works. Like you said above, we'll know soon enough.
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921. MiamiHurricanes09 22:18 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting weathersp:
According to the Puerto Rican (TJUA) Radar the Thunderstorm complex that is 200 miles SE of San Juan, the cloud tops are around or just above 50,000 ft.
It's probably the red spot on satellite.

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922. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 22:18 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
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923. CaicosRetiredSailor 22:18 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
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924. IKE 22:18 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
GOM low in 5-6 days on the 18Z GFS...

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925. aspectre 22:19 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
493 Chicklit "Request for Comments[on the]Tropical Cyclone Discussion ...NHC is soliciting feedback from users on whether the current form and content of the TCD meets their needs. Suggestions for improvements in the product are welcome, and you may submit the feedback form located below the following example."

I'd just like for them to QUIT SHOUTING all of the time. Reserve SHOUTS for serious matters ala
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah WARNING: CAT.5 making LANDFALL at TROPICALFISH SHOWERCURTAINS in 32HOURS. WARNING: EVACUATE OR DIE blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
As is, their commentary is barely legible: ie takes too much effort read, takes too much attention to pick up the most cogent points when they should be OBVIOUS at a glance.
I mean really, 'KT' for knots instead of 'kt'? Absurd.
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926. MiamiHurricanes09 22:19 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting IKE:
GOM low in 5-6 days on the 18Z GFS...

Not good.
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927. scott39 22:19 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
92L looks like its ready for round 10!
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928. IKE 22:20 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Not good.


GFS has latched on to this for several runs in a row. It's the dreaded 92L.
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929. stormpetrol 22:20 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Well there is a weakness around the Bahamas that tropical cyclones are attracted to so 92L will try to move northward towards it. Think of the weakness as a really hot girl and now think of the really ugly guy being attracted to her (weird example, lol) but that's how it works. Like you said above, we'll know soon enough.

Hey " a good looking guy could be also" j/k, lmao!
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930. StormSurgeon 22:22 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting scott39:
Whats different besides warm water for June?


Jet stream sliding northward for one. Still a little too far south in June causing serious wind shear. Bermuda High has yet to establish itself. "Shifty upper level atmospheric activity-SULAA" in the Carribean is another inhibiting factor. SULAA-coined a term. Doh!
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931. stormwatcherCI 22:22 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting KoritheMan:


This.
????
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932. centex 22:22 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Is 92L energy going N or S?
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933. IKE 22:22 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Hmmm...

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934. scott39 22:23 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting kmanislander:


The potential danger I see with this system is that the track to the WNW which would take it out of the Caribbean continues to be delayed due to shear weakening the structure and causing the steering to come from the low level easterly flow. That flow is pretty much due W now and has been for some time and can be seen below.



A more Westerly track will allow it to get closer and closer to the Western and NW Caribbean which is traditionally far more favourable for development than where it is now. There is a weakness over Fla and Cuba shown in the steering but a very weak system such as 92L is now will not necessarily feel that and may not be inclined to pull up and out of the Caribbean as soon as forecasted to do.

Thus, shear may hold it down for now but may ultimately cause a downstrem problem by being the reason a weakened system found its way into the Western Caribbean in the first place where conditons finally give it a shot to organize.

Definitely something to watch out for IMO

Your language is strong-- You got my attention!
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935. Levi32 22:23 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
At 156 hours on the 18z GFS when 92L is south of Louisiana in the central gulf, upper-level conditions are forecasted to be conducive with light winds aloft. An upper low over the southern BOC and the TUTT to the east both provide good ventilation of the area.

18z GFS 200mb 156 hour forecast:



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936. kmanislander 22:24 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Back later
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937. FLWeatherFreak91 22:24 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Well there is a weakness around the Bahamas that tropical cyclones are attracted to so 92L will try to move northward towards it. Think of the weakness as a really hot girl and now think of the really ugly guy being attracted to her (weird example, lol) but that's how it works. Like you said above, we'll know soon enough.
Wow...
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938. scott39 22:25 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting StormSurgeon:


Jet stream sliding northward for one. Still a little too far south in June causing serious wind shear. Bermuda High has yet to establish itself. "Shifty upper level atmospheric activity-SULAA" in the Carribean is another inhibiting factor. SULAA-coined a term. Doh!
Thanks
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939. MiamiHurricanes09 22:25 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting IKE:


GFS has latched on to this for several runs in a row. It's the dreaded 92L.
Yeah, I believe since Wednesday night or something like that.
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940. MiamiHurricanes09 22:25 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting stormpetrol:

Hey " a good looking guy could be also" j/k, lmao!
Lol!
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941. gordydunnot 22:26 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
92L one confusing little devil I think you can see the potential the Doc. was speaking of. Looks like it could eventually spin up anywhere from 15 to 22N around Cuba.
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942. MiamiHurricanes09 22:26 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting FLWeatherFreak91:
Wow...
LOL! It was a decent example.
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943. ShenValleyFlyFish 22:27 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting Levi32:
At 156 hours on the 18z GFS when 92L is south of Louisiana in the central gulf, upper-level conditions are forecasted to be conducive with light winds aloft. An upper low over the southern BOC and the TUTT to the east both provide good ventilation of the area.

18z GFS 200mb 156 hour forecast:





You could have kept that little tidbit to yourself. Good thing stock market is shut. Could have just blown BP comeback.
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944. MiamiHurricanes09 22:28 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting ShenValleyFlyFish:


You could have kept that little tidbit to yourself. Good thing stock market is shut. Could have just blown BP comeback.
LOL!
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945. cyclonekid 22:29 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
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946. IKE 22:29 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
GFS done latched on....not strong but, that may not mean much when it comes to the GFS.

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947. StormSurgeon 22:30 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting scott39:
Thanks


Check out StormW's site. It's very.....I mean it's pretty informative. He doesn't make up crud like me. SULAA? Get real.
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948. centex 22:30 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Local met mentioned 92L as maybe giving central Texas higher chance of rain late next week. We are under summer type high so grabbing at straws.
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949. IKE 22:31 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Looks like a broad area of low pressure.
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950. wunderkidcayman 22:32 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
the stronger vort is in the caribbean so I will go with 92L being a central and west caribbean system rather than the Bahamas system
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951. MiamiHurricanes09 22:32 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting IKE:
Looks like a broad area of low pressure.
Yup, the isobar is open in the southern quadrant.
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