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92L very disorganized, but a long-range threat to develop
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 14:05 GMT le 18 juin 2010 +2
Invest 92L, which yesterday became severely disrupted by wind shear and dry air, is generating a large area of rain showers over the northern Lesser Antilles Islands today. Infrared satellite loops show that the tops of the thunderstorms associated with 92L have warmed in recent hours, and these thunderstorms are weak and disorganized. Water vapor satellite loops show that there is a large amount of dry air in the storm's environment, and this dry air is getting sucked into 92L's thunderstorms, where the dry air is sinking to the surface and creating surface "arc clouds"--arc-shaped clouds that spread out away from 92L's thunderstorms. With wind shear at 20 - 30 knots today, no signs of a surface circulation, and plenty of dry air around, 92L is not a threat to develop into a tropical depression today or Saturday. The National Hurricane Center is giving 92L a low (20% chance) of developing into a tropical depression by Sunday morning. I put the chances at 1%. You can track the progress of 92L today by looking at our wundermap for the region, with weather stations turned on. Antigua recorded sustaiined winds of 20 mph this morning from 92L.

A slight chance 92L could develop next week
Today and Saturday, 92L will encounter 20 - 40 knots of wind shear as it plows though a region of strong upper-level winds associated with the subtropical jet stream. The disturbance will also encounter the mountainous terrain of Hispaniola. These factors should significantly disrupt the disturbance. If there's anything left of 92L by Sunday, when it will be over eastern Cuba, the storm may have the opportunity to develop. At that time, 92L will have passed through the core of the subtropical jet stream and entered a region of lower shear (15 - 20 knots.) For the latest round of 00Z and 06Z model runs, the HWRF is the only reliable model calling for 92L to develop; that model predicts that 92L will organize into a tropical depression on Wednesday over the Lower Florida Keys, and head into the Gulf of Mexico. The obstacles that 92L must overcome to do this are great, and I give 92L just a 10% chance of eventually developing into a tropical depression by Wednesday next week.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of Invest 92L. Dry air is getting sucked into 92L's thunderstorms, where the more dense dry air creates downdrafts. When these downdrafts hit the surface, the air spreads out creating surface "arc clouds"--arc-shaped clouds that spread out away from 92L's thunderstorms. This puts stable air into the storm's low level environment and blocks inflow of moist air into the core of the storm, weakening it. These arc clouds are a telltale sign that dry air is significantly disrupting the disturbance.

Elsewhere in the tropics
The NOGAPS model is calling for a tropical disturbance to form off the coast of Nicaragua on Monday and push ashore over that country on Tuesday, bringing heavy rains.

Wind and ocean current forecast for the BP oil disaster
Light and variable winds less than 10 knots will blow in the northern Gulf of Mexico for the next five days, according to the latest marine forecast from NOAA. The winds will tend to have a westerly component through Saturday, which will maintain a threat of oil hitting beaches as far east as Panama City, Florida, according to the latest trajectory forecasts from NOAA and the State of Louisiana. Ocean current forecasts for early next week show a weakening of the eastward-flowing currents along the Florida Panhandle, which would limit the eastward movement of oil so that it would not move past Panama City. The long range 8 - 16 day forecast from the GFS model indicates a typical summertime light wind regime, with winds mostly blowing out of the south or southeast. This wind regime will likely keep oil close to the coastal areas that have already seen oil impacts over the past two weeks.

Resources for the BP oil disaster
My post, What a hurricane would do the Deepwater Horizon oil spill
My post on the Southwest Florida "Forbidden Zone" where surface oil will rarely go
My post on what oil might do to a hurricane
NOAA's new interactive mapping tool allows one to overlay wind and ocean current forecasts, oil locations, etc.
Gulf Oil Blog from the UGA Department of Marine Sciences
Oil Spill Academic Task Force
University of South Florida Ocean Circulation Group oil spill forecasts
ROFFS Deepwater Horizon page
Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) imagery from the University of Miami

I'll have an update on Saturday.

Jeff Masters
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1751. kmanislander 04:14 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting scott39:
That makes alot of sense! How many hours until the shear stops building from the West? If 92l wins do you expect a hurricane out of it?


Take a look at this map. Shear is building TO the West, not from the West. There is a TUTT axis that is retreating to the SW over the Yucatan that is increasing the shear towards to NW Caribbean. Once it moves out of the way shear will fall off.

Look at the SE Caribbean. Shear is relaxing there and FALLING. What we have going on is falling shear from the Eastern Caribbean that is trailing rising shear that is retreating Westward.

If 92L wins then a TD is possible assuming it avoids Hispaniola. Let's see if it makes it that far first before looking too far ahead.

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1752. pottery 04:15 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting truecajun:
i have three children, one is only a baby, and i'm wondering about the long term effects. are we all going to end up with cancer? seriously. i'm wondering if we are going to have to move sooner than later. besides the health risks, i know the economy here is going to go to hell in a handbasket once they shut down drilling. i may have to leave my homestate. at this point, i may move to lithuania. i'm sick of this government. all i want is the truth.

These are serious considerations.
But you need to try to find some Truths about the situation before you stress yourself.
You live in a place where the Truth will come out soon, regarding the risks of remaining there, health wise. The challenge is to identify the Doom-Hype and dismiss that if you can.
As for the economy of the area, you are probably better placed than many to detirmine that.
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1753. MrstormX 04:15 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Rain is now much lighter here, I think it is safe for me to call it quits tonight. See you guys tomorrow while we continue to watch the soap opera that is 92L.
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1754. JRRP 04:15 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
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1755. scott39 04:16 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting kmanislander:


Take a look at this map. Shear is building TO the West, not from the West. There is a TUTT axis that is retreating to the SW over the Yucatan that is increasing the shear towards to NW Caribbean. Once it moves out of the way shear will fall off.

Look at the SE Caribbean. Shear is relaxing there and FALLING. What we have going on is falling shear from the Eastern Caribbean that is trailing rising shear that is retreating Westward.

If 92L wins then a TD is possible assuming it avoids Hispaniola. Let's see if it makes it that far first before looking too far ahead.

Thanks
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1756. truecajun 04:16 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting truecajun:


what about the air we breath?


and what's the deal with national guard. is there really some gas bubble beneath the surface that's eventually going to blow? are we going to need to be evacuated for this? also the whole nuclear warhead thing being the only way to stop the darn gusher is frightening. this i know for a fact is one the options on the table as we speak. are the going to evacuate us to plug it up with a nuke. i don't know, maybe i'm just tired, but it all freaks me out, way more than any hurricane ever did.
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1757. homelesswanderer 04:17 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting MrstormX:
Rain is now much lighter here, I think it is safe for me to call it quits tonight. See you guys tomorrow while we continue to watch the soap opera that is 92L.


Night.
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1758. centex 04:18 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting kmanislander:


I am neither a downcaster or upcaster or fender stratocaster !

I call it the way I see it and so far my call has been that 92L would not develop into a TD.

I also said that if the energy from it gets to 75W things could change. Still a few chapters that could be written with this one.
Ok but you’re the main down caster on this system. If there is reason you don’t miss a reason to down it. While some of your reasons may be valid the track and analyze is biased. I respect your opinion normally but noticed 92L bias in your remarks in recent days.
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1759. kmanislander 04:18 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Well that's all from me for tonight. Let's see what tomorrow brings.

Good night all
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1761. Tazmanian 04:19 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
i hate too be a wishcaster but i hop it dos avoid Hispaniola i sure they dont need any of that right now
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1762. truecajun 04:19 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting pottery:

These are serious considerations.
But you need to try to find some Truths about the situation before you stress yourself.
You live in a place where the Truth will come out soon, regarding the risks of remaining there, health wise. The challenge is to identify the Doom-Hype and dismiss that if you can.
As for the economy of the area, you are probably better placed than many to detirmine that.


yeah, you are right. i know a few people in the rig business, one who is in charge of safety inspections on rigs - go figure. i'll try to get to truth of the matter from those who are really down there.
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1763. kmanislander 04:20 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting centex:
Ok but you’re the main down caster on this system. If there is reason you don’t miss a reason to down it. While some of your reasons may be valid the track and analyze is biased. I respect your opinion normally but noticed 92L bias in your remarks in recent days.


You don't know me well enough. So far my call on 92L has been validated. That's not bias, just reality.
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1764. truecajun 04:21 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
All right. I'll let y'all get back to 92L. i just had to get some opinions. thanks for your feedback and calming me down.
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1765. CaneWarning 04:22 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
I'm out for the night too. I'll check on 92L tomorrow. Have a good night.
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1766. CyclonicVoyage 04:22 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting kmanislander:


You don't know me well enough. So far my call on 92L has been validated. That's not bias, just reality.


He's not a downcaster, he's right? If you look back at the index of 92L it's been an open wave for well, now 3 days.
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1767. truecajun 04:23 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
one more question. how do i get each post to show my time zone?
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1768. pottery 04:23 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
WOOOHOOO!
Thunder to my East!

It is after midnight. Tomorrow (Today!) is Labour Day (I have to work- is there something wrong with that concept?)

See you all another time...
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1769. scott39 04:23 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting truecajun:


what about the air we breath?
I wasnt making light of the situation, but it sounds like you have alot of anxiety about our situation. I too live on the gulf Coast. Instead of listening to all the doomsters---- Take one day at a time and make the best decision you can for you and your children.You are not alone in this and we will get thru it!
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1770. kmanislander 04:25 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting truecajun:
one more question. how do i get each post to show my time zone?


At the top of the page click on settings. Once that opens go to page preferences, select the time zone for where you are and save it.
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1771. 7544 04:25 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
i think 92l decided to be a normal sysyem tonight and didnt blow but is doing what a normal system cycle is suppose to do and is wating for dmax in a couple of hours so im not with the rip croud just yet stay tuned the saga contiues lol
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1772. CyclonicVoyage 04:25 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Starting to take off again.


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1773. truecajun 04:26 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting kmanislander:


At the top of the page click on page settings. Once that opens go to preferences, select the time zone for where you are and save it.


thanks
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1774. homelesswanderer 04:28 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting kmanislander:


Don't do that: bad juju LOL


Spoken like a true tropics survivor. Lol. We're superstition around here too. I painted a wall this year so I may as well just go ahead and put a tree through the room. (Every time I paint or decorate we get a hurricane.) Ah well. Maybe Mother Nature won't begrudge me my little nest this time. Maybe if we get through this season unscathed I can change my WU handle. Nah. That would be too cocky of me. Am knocking on wood as I write this.
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1775. USSINS 04:28 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting kmanislander:


You don't know me well enough. So far my call on 92L has been validated. That's not bias, just reality.



Kman = Wisdom

Listening and paying attention would also be wise.
1776. xcool 04:30 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
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1777. centex 04:32 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting kmanislander:


At the top of the page click on settings. Once that opens go to page preferences, select the time zone for where you are and save it.
Your right about not knowing you well. But wrong about what I said which you ignore, 92L.
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1778. scott39 04:35 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Fire poppin on top of the swirl!!
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1779. scott39 04:38 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Looks like 92L(can we call it something else please)is getting ready for D-MAX AGAIN!
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1780. Ivanhater 04:38 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
00z gfs

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1781. scott39 04:39 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting Ivanhater:
00z gfs

Is that just a low S of LA/MS?
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1782. scott39 04:40 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
I killed the freakin blog!
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1784. Ivanhater 04:41 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting scott39:
Is that just a low S of LA/MS?


Stronger on this run hitting around Pensacola

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1785. sarahjola 04:42 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
lol! its still here? i can't even believe it. i thought i would be eating crow by now for sure. 92l is strong. that kinda scares me. wonder if there had been no shear if it would have been a strong hurricane? what do you all think?
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1786. Patrap 04:42 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
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1787. scott39 04:42 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting Ivanhater:


Stronger on this run hitting around Pensacola

Looks like its hitting in my backyard! LOL I hope thats wrong!
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1788. sarahjola 04:43 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
when will shear be dropping? and if and when it does what can we expect from 92l if its still around?
thanks in advance
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1789. ryang 04:44 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Hmmm....4 runs in a row now in the EATL



Long range, but something to keep an eye on
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1790. Patrap 04:44 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
GOM IR Loop

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1791. scott39 04:44 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting sarahjola:
lol! its still here? i can't even believe it. i thought i would be eating crow by now for sure. 92l is strong. that kinda scares me. wonder if there had been no shear if it would have been a strong hurricane? what do you all think?
I think it eats shear and when it doesnt have any it will die! LOL
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1792. sarahjola 04:46 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting Ivanhater:


Stronger on this run hitting around Pensacola


how strong?
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1793. homelesswanderer 04:46 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting sarahjola:
lol! its still here? i can't even believe it. i thought i would be eating crow by now for sure. 92l is strong. that kinda scares me. wonder if there had been no shear if it would have been a strong hurricane? what do you all think?


I think it would've been a lot scarier than it's been so far. Kinda makes you scared to think what a system will do without the shear. If they all prove to be as tenacious as 91l it's going to be a long scary season.
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1794. Patrap 04:47 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
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1795. USSINS 04:47 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting centex:
kman I'm done. just pointing out your consistent down casting on 92L. Think of that before you post next down cast. We know where your coming from.



Good, Centex. Kman is one of the better prognosticators on this blog, followed him for years. It's not a perfect science - he nor anyone else here including Doc is perfect either. Kman is only relating what his experience and convictions are. Doesn't mean he is right all the time, but usually he's not far away from what's actually happening. Bias? Absolutely not.

92L is a mess. Persistent? Yes. Will it re-emerge - there is still that possibility. The tropics can be very strange sometimes. But, you'll not get wild guessing, hype or innuendo from Kman, rather an observant, experienced and thoughtful perspective.
1796. scott39 04:48 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting homelesswanderer:


I think it would've been a lot scarier than it's been so far. Kinda makes you scared to think what a system will do without the shear. If they all prove to be as tenacious as 91l it's going to be a long scary season.
Have you ever been thru a major hurricane?
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1797. sarahjola 04:50 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting scott39:
Have you ever been thru a major hurricane?
i've been through katrina. lived in st. bernard parish. i love that place, even now. but wish it was the way it was before.:(
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1798. homelesswanderer 04:51 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting sarahjola:
when will shear be dropping? and if and when it does what can we expect from 92l if its still around?
thanks in advance


I don/t know about 92l being around. But I saw this earlier. I assume the shear will be lessening as the TUTT does.

FXCA20 KWBC 181829
PMDCA

TROPICAL DISCUSSION - INTERNATIONAL DESKS
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD
229 PM EDT FRI JUN 18 2010

DISCUSSION FROM JUN 18/0000 UTC. AT MID/UPPER LEVELS... A RIDGE
EXTENDS FROM WESTERN/NORTHERN MEXICO INTO THE SOUTHEASTERN USA.
THE MODELS SHOW THIS AXIS BUILDING TO THE EAST AND NORTHEAST
ACROSS THE SOUTHERN USA THROUGH 36-48 HRS... THEN FORECAST IT TO
DRIFT BACK TO THE WEST TO NORTHWESTERN MEXICO/TEXAS BY 72-84 HRS.
A TUTT LOW INITIALIZED OVER WESTERN CUBA WILL SPLIT INTO TWO
PARTS. ONE IS FORECAST TO TRACK TO THE SOUTHWEST TO THE CAMPECHE
SOUND/YUCATAN PENINSULA BY 24-36 HRS AND CONTINUE WEST INTO
CENTRAL MEXICO/GUANAJUATO BY 72/84 HRS WHERE IT WILL WEAKEN. THE
EASTERN PORTION OF THE TUTT WILL MOVE NORTHEAST TO THE CENTRAL
BAHAMAS BY 36-48 HRS. THIS TUTT LOW WILL THEN MOVE LITTLE BUT
GRADUALLY WEAKEN THROUGH THE CYCLE.
OVER THE BAHAMAS EXPECT
SCATTERED CO
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1799. uplater 04:51 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Hey, teh wilderness called; it running outta crow! 92L LMAO
1800. centex 04:52 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting USSINS:



Good, Centex. Kman is one of the better prognosticators on this blog, followed him for years. It's not a perfect science - he nor anyone else here including Doc is perfect either. Kman is only relating what his experience and convictions are. Doesn't mean he is right all the time, but usually he's not far away from what's actually happening. Bias? Absolutely not.

92L is a mess. Persistent? Yes. Will it re-emerge - there is still that possibility. The tropics can be very strange sometimes. But, you'll not get wild guessing, hype or innuendo from Kman, rather an observant, experienced and thoughtful perspective.
I agree a very good blogger and respect his opinion more than most. Just pointing out 92L down casting is getting old.
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1801. Skyepony (Mod) 04:54 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
truecajan

The one guy that says there is a gas bubble believes we aren't going back to the moon cause the Nazis are already living there. He's full of beyond out there ideas. I listened to the radio show. He said the govt has the real accurate gps info & doesn't share it with us. You can go to USGS & find out in inches what the yellowstone cauldra is up to. & how about GRACE? Even his thoughts on the topography of FL was so far from reality..& he's the only source about this bubble.

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Jeff co-founded the Weather Underground in 1995 while working on his Ph.D. He flew with the NOAA Hurricane Hunters from 1986-1990.

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