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92L very disorganized, but a long-range threat to develop
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 14:05 GMT le 18 juin 2010 +2
Invest 92L, which yesterday became severely disrupted by wind shear and dry air, is generating a large area of rain showers over the northern Lesser Antilles Islands today. Infrared satellite loops show that the tops of the thunderstorms associated with 92L have warmed in recent hours, and these thunderstorms are weak and disorganized. Water vapor satellite loops show that there is a large amount of dry air in the storm's environment, and this dry air is getting sucked into 92L's thunderstorms, where the dry air is sinking to the surface and creating surface "arc clouds"--arc-shaped clouds that spread out away from 92L's thunderstorms. With wind shear at 20 - 30 knots today, no signs of a surface circulation, and plenty of dry air around, 92L is not a threat to develop into a tropical depression today or Saturday. The National Hurricane Center is giving 92L a low (20% chance) of developing into a tropical depression by Sunday morning. I put the chances at 1%. You can track the progress of 92L today by looking at our wundermap for the region, with weather stations turned on. Antigua recorded sustaiined winds of 20 mph this morning from 92L.

A slight chance 92L could develop next week
Today and Saturday, 92L will encounter 20 - 40 knots of wind shear as it plows though a region of strong upper-level winds associated with the subtropical jet stream. The disturbance will also encounter the mountainous terrain of Hispaniola. These factors should significantly disrupt the disturbance. If there's anything left of 92L by Sunday, when it will be over eastern Cuba, the storm may have the opportunity to develop. At that time, 92L will have passed through the core of the subtropical jet stream and entered a region of lower shear (15 - 20 knots.) For the latest round of 00Z and 06Z model runs, the HWRF is the only reliable model calling for 92L to develop; that model predicts that 92L will organize into a tropical depression on Wednesday over the Lower Florida Keys, and head into the Gulf of Mexico. The obstacles that 92L must overcome to do this are great, and I give 92L just a 10% chance of eventually developing into a tropical depression by Wednesday next week.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of Invest 92L. Dry air is getting sucked into 92L's thunderstorms, where the more dense dry air creates downdrafts. When these downdrafts hit the surface, the air spreads out creating surface "arc clouds"--arc-shaped clouds that spread out away from 92L's thunderstorms. This puts stable air into the storm's low level environment and blocks inflow of moist air into the core of the storm, weakening it. These arc clouds are a telltale sign that dry air is significantly disrupting the disturbance.

Elsewhere in the tropics
The NOGAPS model is calling for a tropical disturbance to form off the coast of Nicaragua on Monday and push ashore over that country on Tuesday, bringing heavy rains.

Wind and ocean current forecast for the BP oil disaster
Light and variable winds less than 10 knots will blow in the northern Gulf of Mexico for the next five days, according to the latest marine forecast from NOAA. The winds will tend to have a westerly component through Saturday, which will maintain a threat of oil hitting beaches as far east as Panama City, Florida, according to the latest trajectory forecasts from NOAA and the State of Louisiana. Ocean current forecasts for early next week show a weakening of the eastward-flowing currents along the Florida Panhandle, which would limit the eastward movement of oil so that it would not move past Panama City. The long range 8 - 16 day forecast from the GFS model indicates a typical summertime light wind regime, with winds mostly blowing out of the south or southeast. This wind regime will likely keep oil close to the coastal areas that have already seen oil impacts over the past two weeks.

Resources for the BP oil disaster
My post, What a hurricane would do the Deepwater Horizon oil spill
My post on the Southwest Florida "Forbidden Zone" where surface oil will rarely go
My post on what oil might do to a hurricane
NOAA's new interactive mapping tool allows one to overlay wind and ocean current forecasts, oil locations, etc.
Gulf Oil Blog from the UGA Department of Marine Sciences
Oil Spill Academic Task Force
University of South Florida Ocean Circulation Group oil spill forecasts
ROFFS Deepwater Horizon page
Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) imagery from the University of Miami

I'll have an update on Saturday.

Jeff Masters
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2301. MiamiHurricanes09 14:47 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting homelesswanderer:


Lol. I know. Just pushed the "post" button slower than everyone else.:P
Lol.
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2302. MZV 14:47 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
I would presume we'll be getting a fresh blog post soon... Maybe Dr Masters is waiting for the 11AM update so he can add comments to it
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2303. aspectre 14:48 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
2259 Stormchaser2007 "Can't believe that we maxed out the scale in June."
2264 MiamiHurricanes09 "...Imagine in September."

Which is why I freaked in midApril.
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2304. txag91met 14:48 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
But that would turn into a hurricane headed for the Texas coast if the ECMWF close...still long ways out.
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2305. Clearwater1 14:48 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Well you have to think what counter-clockwise wind would do. Yes, it would push the oil towards Florida, lol.


If it were to slip up the e side of the oil slick, (between FL and the spill) would it not push it west or nw first? By the way, is there any way it would push due north and skirt W FL?
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2306. Tazmanian 14:50 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:



whats that other liittle thing in the E PAC
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2307. homelesswanderer 14:50 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Not when you're looking at the ECMWF. Right now you can see it developing the system 5 days out, now you have to look for consistency.

ECMWF 00z 120 hours


Yeah and with another model showing the exact same thing lends a little credence.

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2308. MiamiHurricanes09 14:51 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting Clearwater1:


If it were to slip up the e side of the oil slick, (between FL and the spill) would it not push it west or nw first? By the way, is there any way it would push due north and skirt W FL?
I'm going to give you a graph of a major hurricane and where the oil would go. I'm not saying that that system the ECMWF is developing is going to be a major hurricane, just an example.
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2309. MiamiHurricanes09 14:51 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting Tazmanian:



whats that other liittle thing in the E PAC
TD#4.
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2311. Bobbyweather 14:52 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
TD#4.

TS Celia.
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2312. MiamiHurricanes09 14:52 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting Bobbyweather:

TS Celia.
My bad. Yes TS Celia.
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2313. IKE 14:53 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
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2314. Clearwater1 14:53 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
I'm going to give you a graph of a major hurricane and where the oil would go. I'm not saying that that system the ECMWF is developing is going to be a major hurricane, just an example.


Ok, thanks
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2315. Tazmanian 14:54 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
2309. MiamiHurricanes09 2:51 PM GMT on June 19, 2010
Quoting Tazmanian:



whats that other liittle thing in the E PAC
TD#4


not that . the one that looks like its going too crossovere form the e pac
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2317. CyclonicVoyage 14:54 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
A lot of land interaction between the Gulf and the current location, if one believes the models. Hopefully the mountains put the final nail in 92L's coffin. I am not ready to realize what would happen to the oil should a storm get in the gulf, I'll never be ready to tell ya the truth. Not to mention the relief wells would be put on hold.

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2318. Patrap 14:54 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
12z Early Cycle NHC model tracks
Invest92
Statistical/Simple Models (CLIPER,BAMs,LBAR,other Statistical Models)




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2319. CaneWarning 14:55 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
IKE, I just don't know how 92L could survive all that land interaction. We'll see though!
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2320. txag91met 14:55 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
ECMWF doesn't develop 92L...it is the system off of Nic/Honduras.
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2321. MiamiHurricanes09 14:55 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting CyclonicVoyage:
A lot of land interaction between the Gulf and the current location, if one believes the models. Hopefully the mountains put the final nail in 92L's coffin. I am not ready to realize what would happen to the oil should a storm get in the gulf, I'll never be ready to tell ya the truth. Not to mention the relief wells would be put on hold.

We are watching the convective area by central America, that's what the models are developing.
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2324. CyclonicVoyage 14:57 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
We are watching the convective area by central America, that's what the models are developing.


Well, that's fine too. I was referring to 92L.
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2325. Tazmanian 14:57 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
when sould we start seeing are little fun
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2326. StormSurgeon 14:57 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting Patrap:
12z Early Cycle NHC model tracks
Invest92
Statistical/Simple Models (CLIPER,BAMs,LBAR,other Statistical Models)






I'll take the xtrap on that one, thank you.
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2327. CyclonicVoyage 14:58 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting CyclonicVoyage:


Well, that's fine too. I was referring to 92L.


Latest intensity forecast from SHIPS & DSHIPS is showing a strong tropical storm at the end of their runs.
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2328. txsweetpea 14:58 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting StormW:


Now's a good time!



Where do yo live jbsb?
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2329. jpsb 14:58 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting StormW:


Now's a good time!
I was afraid you would say that, it 95 outside! Ok tomorrow early am when it's alittle cooler.
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2332. cyclonekid 14:58 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Tropical Storm Blas
Graphics Update
11am EDT



Tropical Storm Celia
Graphics Update
11am EDT



©cyclonekid
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2333. Drakoen 14:59 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
SHIPS show shear reaching sub 20 knot levels past 36 hours and RH values slowly increasing.
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2335. homelesswanderer 15:00 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting StormW:


Now's a good time!


Lol. Ya beat me to it. :)
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2336. txag91met 15:00 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting txag91met:
ECMWF doesn't develop 92L...it is the system off of Nic/Honduras.


Look at the loop from the ecmwf...clearly it is the system off the coast of Central America.
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2337. MiamiHurricanes09 15:00 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting CyclonicVoyage:


Well, that's fine too. I was referring to 92L.
Oh.

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2338. Tazmanian 15:00 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
2326. StormSurgeon 2:57 PM GMT on June 19, 2010
Quoting Patrap:
12z Early Cycle NHC model tracks
Invest92
Statistical/Simple Models (CLIPER,BAMs,LBAR,other Statistical Models)







I'll take the xtrap on that one, thank you.




the xtrap is not a mode run
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2339. Clearwater1 15:01 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting StormSurgeon:


I'll take the xtrap on that one, thank you.



the xtrap is alway right on the money right up to and beyond landfall. Amazing.
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2342. MiamiHurricanes09 15:01 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting Clearwater1:


If it were to slip up the e side of the oil slick, (between FL and the spill) would it not push it west or nw first? By the way, is there any way it would push due north and skirt W FL?
Sorry. The image isn't uploading, but it would push the oil towards Florida.
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2344. CyclonicVoyage 15:03 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Oh.



Wait till we get about 3 or 4 ducks in the pond at a time, lol. It gets rather imperative to state the storm you are referring too.
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2345. MiamiHurricanes09 15:03 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
The area in the yellow circle looks to be firing some intense convection. Might be 92L's next MCS. Oh no, here goes the frame by frame.

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2346. jpsb 15:03 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting txsweetpea:



Where do yo live jbsb?
San Leon Texas, right on Galveston Bay. I had a Marina and boats pieces "visit" my house during Ike. Hoping the oil stays away and TCs do to. Here an after Ike pic
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2347. MiamiHurricanes09 15:03 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting CyclonicVoyage:


Wait till we get about 3 or 4 ducks in the pond at a time, lol. It gets rather imperative to state the storm you are referring too.
Lol.
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2348. CaneWarning 15:04 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
The area in the yellow circle looks to be firing some intense convection. Might be 92L's next MCS. Oh no, here goes the frame by frame.



It might clip the southern coast of Haiti. That would be good for us, but probably bad for Haiti.
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2349. cg2916 15:04 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
I think we may need to watch the area near Central America. Two models are being pretty consistent with it (to my knowledge) and it could possibly reach the sweet spot that is the GOM.
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2351. Clearwater1 15:05 GMT le 19 juin 2010    
Quoting StormW:



??????


Well, Storm, it's a extrapolation of the current direction of movement at anytime, right? So just before land fall the an "extrp" would be right on target.
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