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92L very disorganized, but a long-range threat to develop
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 14:05 GMT le 18 juin 2010 +2
Invest 92L, which yesterday became severely disrupted by wind shear and dry air, is generating a large area of rain showers over the northern Lesser Antilles Islands today. Infrared satellite loops show that the tops of the thunderstorms associated with 92L have warmed in recent hours, and these thunderstorms are weak and disorganized. Water vapor satellite loops show that there is a large amount of dry air in the storm's environment, and this dry air is getting sucked into 92L's thunderstorms, where the dry air is sinking to the surface and creating surface "arc clouds"--arc-shaped clouds that spread out away from 92L's thunderstorms. With wind shear at 20 - 30 knots today, no signs of a surface circulation, and plenty of dry air around, 92L is not a threat to develop into a tropical depression today or Saturday. The National Hurricane Center is giving 92L a low (20% chance) of developing into a tropical depression by Sunday morning. I put the chances at 1%. You can track the progress of 92L today by looking at our wundermap for the region, with weather stations turned on. Antigua recorded sustaiined winds of 20 mph this morning from 92L.

A slight chance 92L could develop next week
Today and Saturday, 92L will encounter 20 - 40 knots of wind shear as it plows though a region of strong upper-level winds associated with the subtropical jet stream. The disturbance will also encounter the mountainous terrain of Hispaniola. These factors should significantly disrupt the disturbance. If there's anything left of 92L by Sunday, when it will be over eastern Cuba, the storm may have the opportunity to develop. At that time, 92L will have passed through the core of the subtropical jet stream and entered a region of lower shear (15 - 20 knots.) For the latest round of 00Z and 06Z model runs, the HWRF is the only reliable model calling for 92L to develop; that model predicts that 92L will organize into a tropical depression on Wednesday over the Lower Florida Keys, and head into the Gulf of Mexico. The obstacles that 92L must overcome to do this are great, and I give 92L just a 10% chance of eventually developing into a tropical depression by Wednesday next week.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of Invest 92L. Dry air is getting sucked into 92L's thunderstorms, where the more dense dry air creates downdrafts. When these downdrafts hit the surface, the air spreads out creating surface "arc clouds"--arc-shaped clouds that spread out away from 92L's thunderstorms. This puts stable air into the storm's low level environment and blocks inflow of moist air into the core of the storm, weakening it. These arc clouds are a telltale sign that dry air is significantly disrupting the disturbance.

Elsewhere in the tropics
The NOGAPS model is calling for a tropical disturbance to form off the coast of Nicaragua on Monday and push ashore over that country on Tuesday, bringing heavy rains.

Wind and ocean current forecast for the BP oil disaster
Light and variable winds less than 10 knots will blow in the northern Gulf of Mexico for the next five days, according to the latest marine forecast from NOAA. The winds will tend to have a westerly component through Saturday, which will maintain a threat of oil hitting beaches as far east as Panama City, Florida, according to the latest trajectory forecasts from NOAA and the State of Louisiana. Ocean current forecasts for early next week show a weakening of the eastward-flowing currents along the Florida Panhandle, which would limit the eastward movement of oil so that it would not move past Panama City. The long range 8 - 16 day forecast from the GFS model indicates a typical summertime light wind regime, with winds mostly blowing out of the south or southeast. This wind regime will likely keep oil close to the coastal areas that have already seen oil impacts over the past two weeks.

Resources for the BP oil disaster
My post, What a hurricane would do the Deepwater Horizon oil spill
My post on the Southwest Florida "Forbidden Zone" where surface oil will rarely go
My post on what oil might do to a hurricane
NOAA's new interactive mapping tool allows one to overlay wind and ocean current forecasts, oil locations, etc.
Gulf Oil Blog from the UGA Department of Marine Sciences
Oil Spill Academic Task Force
University of South Florida Ocean Circulation Group oil spill forecasts
ROFFS Deepwater Horizon page
Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) imagery from the University of Miami

I'll have an update on Saturday.

Jeff Masters
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201. Orcasystems 16:24 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
The HWFI takes it into the GOM as a Tropical Storm



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202. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 16:25 GMT le 18 juin 2010    

987

WHXX01 KWBC 181314

CHGHUR

TROPICAL CYCLONE GUIDANCE MESSAGE

NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL

1314 UTC FRI JUN 18 2010



DISCLAIMER...NUMERICAL MODELS ARE SUBJECT TO LARGE ERRORS.

PLEASE REFER TO NHC OFFICIAL FORECASTS FOR TROPICAL CYCLONE

AND SUBTROPICAL CYCLONE INFORMATION.



ATLANTIC OBJECTIVE AIDS FOR



DISTURBANCE INVEST (AL922010) 20100618 1200 UTC



...00 HRS... ...12 HRS... ...24 HRS. .. ...36 HRS...

100618 1200 100619 0000 100619 1200 100620 0000



LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON

BAMS 16.1N 62.2W 16.4N 65.4W 16.8N 68.9W 17.2N 71.7W

BAMD 16.1N 62.2W 16.5N 63.6W 16.8N 65.0W 17.1N 66.5W

BAMM 16.1N 62.2W 16.5N 64.5W 16.9N 66.9W 17.2N 69.1W

LBAR 16.1N 62.2W 16.4N 64.5W 16.8N 67.2W 17.2N 69.8W

SHIP 25KTS 24KTS 24KTS 26KTS

DSHP 25KTS 24KTS 24KTS 26KTS



...48 HRS... ...72 HRS... ...96 HRS. .. ..120 HRS...

100620 1200 100621 1200 100622 1200 100623 1200



LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON

BAMS 17.2N 74.6W 17.9N 79.7W 18.2N 84.1W 18.0N 87.8W

BAMD 17.4N 68.1W 18.6N 71.0W 20.3N 74.0W 22.1N 76.7W

BAMM 17.5N 71.2W 18.3N 74.7W 19.4N 77.9W 20.6N 80.6W

LBAR 17.6N 72.6W 19.3N 77.0W 22.0N 80.5W 23.4N 83.0W

SHIP 28KTS 32KTS 42KTS 58KTS

DSHP 28KTS 31KTS 41KTS 58KTS



...INITIAL CONDITIONS...

LATCUR = 16.1N LONCUR = 62.2W DIRCUR = 270DEG SPDCUR = 12KT

LATM12 = 16.1N LONM12 = 59.3W DIRM12 = 273DEG SPDM12 = 11KT

LATM24 = 15.8N LONM24 = 57.2W

WNDCUR = 25KT RMAXWD = 60NM WNDM12 = 25KT

CENPRS = 1011MB OUTPRS = 1013MB OUTRAD = 120NM SDEPTH = M

RD34NE = 0NM RD34SE = 0NM RD34SW = 0NM RD34NW = 0NM



$$

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203. AllStar17 16:28 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
204. scottsvb 16:28 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Just to let some of you know, the reason the pressure went from 1013 to about 1011 is cause 92L is moving further away from the ridge north of the carribean. For example, pressures in the SW carribean to almost Venz. is 1008-1009mbs.
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207. AllStar17 16:29 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting CaicosRetiredSailor:
35W by 05N






All of those blobs should be watched......especially if they begin to lift into the Caribbean.
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208. smmcdavid 16:30 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Good morning fellow weather nerds. I see 92L is still alive and kicking for the time being. Hope this thing fizzles and does not in fact make it to the GOM...
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209. CyclonicVoyage 16:31 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting smmcdavid:
Good morning fellow weather nerds. I see 92L is still alive and kicking for the time being. Hope this thing fizzles and does not in fact make it to the GOM...



Hey, I resemble that remark.
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210. SavannahStorm 16:32 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Not seeing any defined center on shortwave. In fact, I do spot a funky little mass of clouds with clockwise rotation near where a center should be. It dissipates quickly, but its definitely there, turning the wrong way.
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212. MiamiHurricanes09 16:32 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting DestinJeff:


i think it is in the Ground Rules -- or should be -- that the word "mischief" can not be used without being in quotes, unless written by Levi.
Ok?
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213. AllStar17 16:33 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
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214. AussieStorm 16:33 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting helove2trac:
and without a circulation what do you have? nothing

Circulation isn't everything,,, the energy is there, if that energy can find the right conditions, then we could get something we don't want, especially in the GOM.

P.S congrats to the USA Soccer team, come back from 2-0 to draw 2-2, was very entertaining game. Goodnight
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216. MiamiHurricanes09 16:35 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting SavannahStorm:
Not seeing any defined center on shortwave. In fact, I do spot a funky little mass of clouds with clockwise rotation near where a center should be. It dissipates quickly, but its definitely there, turning the wrong way.
Yeah I don't see any circulation at all. I would say that this invest should be discontinued but the two times I said that it fired an MCS/MCC that same night, lol. 92L doesn't like me very much as you can tell.
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218. weathermanwannabe 16:36 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting Unfriendly:


like this?


That is EXACTLY what I was thinking about.....
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219. smmcdavid 16:37 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Thanks Storm. This season has all the makings of an interesting one. Guess we will have to wait and see what's in store. I'll be around.
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220. MiamiHurricanes09 16:38 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Things going for 92L:

1. Warm SSTs.

Things going against 92L:

1. Heavy upper level winds.
2. Dry air.
3. No circulation.
4. No convection.
5. Steering currents.
6. I'm sure there are more I just don't remember.
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221. leo305 16:39 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Yeah I don't see any circulation at all. I would say that this invest should be discontinued but the two times I said that it fired an MCS/MCC that same night, lol. 92L doesn't like me very much as you can tell.


I see it.. its fairly weak but it's there..
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222. MiamiHurricanes09 16:39 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
I see most of the hurricane season regulars from last year are coming back.
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224. MiamiHurricanes09 16:39 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting leo305:


I see it.. its fairly weak but it's there..
Coordinates?
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226. MTWX 16:41 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting leo305:


I see it.. its fairly weak but it's there..

Our little storm that could!!! LOL
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227. stormlvr 16:41 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting StormW:


Well, let me put it another way...he may know something I don't...I am just going by what I have been taught in my Met. and forecasting courses on what to look for. As I have always said...I don't know it all...I learn something everyday...hell, Levi, Drak and 456 have showed me a couple things!


LOL Storm. This blog sure can fire up lost thoughts from long ago. I remember some rather brisk debates concerning the jet stream and continuous vs discontinuous frontal boundaries.
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228. MiamiHurricanes09 16:41 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Earlier this morning 92L had a visible circulation around 62.6N 16.1N, it looks that it has dissipated. As of now there seems to be no LLCs.

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229. Kibkaos 16:42 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Hello everyone. I have been reading the comments today and it seems as though the GOM is a time bomb waiting. Could someone please give some more incite on the GOM for the next week or so?
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231. CyclonicVoyage 16:42 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting smmcdavid:
Good morning fellow weather nerds. I see 92L is still alive and kicking for the time being. Hope this thing fizzles and does not in fact make it to the GOM...


I think BP Executive Tony Hayward is a newly born weather nerd too :-)
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233. leo305 16:43 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Earlier this morning 92L had a visible circulation around 62.6N 16.1N, it looks that it has dissipated. As of now there seems to be no LLCs.



there is no COC, but there is a broad spin noted in the visible satellite
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236. ShenValleyFlyFish 16:45 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
I see most of the hurricane season regulars from last year are coming back.


??
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237. MiamiHurricanes09 16:46 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting Kibkaos:
Hello everyone. I have been reading the comments today and it seems as though the GOM is a time bomb waiting. Could someone please give some more incite on the GOM for the next week or so?
It's only a matter of time before a tropical cyclone tears through the Gulf of Mexico, luckily this shouldn't occur soon, unless 92L can survive the shear and dry air, which it seems like its having a tough time doing. Several models have been lowering pressures within 10 days across the eastern Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico. This as we know is a catalyst for tropical "mischief" to occur if conditions are right, as they seem to be. Regardless, if 92L has its energy in tact by the time (if and when) it gets to the Gulf of Mexico it shouldn't have a problem developing.
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238. smmcdavid 16:46 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting CyclonicVoyage:


I think Tony Hayward is a newly born weather nerd too :-)


Ha! Guess he probably is... or should be. Gotta run peeps. See ya later.
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240. MiamiHurricanes09 16:47 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting ShenValleyFlyFish:


??
?? What's you question?
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242. AllStar17 16:48 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
It's only a matter of time before a tropical cyclone tears through the Gulf of Mexico, luckily this shouldn't occur soon, unless 92L can survive the shear and dry air, which it seems like its having a tough time doing. Several models have been lowering pressures within 10 days across the eastern Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico. This as we know is a catalyst for tropical "mischief" to occur if conditions are right, as they seem to be. Regardless, if 92L has its energy in tact by the time (if and when) it gets to the Gulf of Mexico it shouldn't have a problem developing.


You never know, though. Systems "pop-up" all the time in the gulf under good conditions (i.e. Marco, Humberto, etc.)
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244. MiamiHurricanes09 16:49 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting StormW:


That's why I switched to FireFox
Absolutely, especially if you are on the blog. When using internet explorer on the blog I have noticed some errors such as a stretched blog or not being able to view images, etc...
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245. AllStar17 16:49 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting StormW:


That's why I switched to FireFox


I really enjoy Firefox. I think it is MUCH better than Internet Explorer.
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246. MiamiHurricanes09 16:50 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting AllStar17:


You never know, though. Systems "pop-up" all the time in the gulf under good conditions (i.e. Marco, Humberto, etc.)
That is true.
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247. weathermanwannabe 16:50 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting WinterAnalystwx13:


The remnants of 92L should enter in the Gulf next week and they have the chance to develop into a Tropical Depression or Tropical Storm.


You forecasted at least 2 storms before the end of June yesterday and I disagreed with you (with a typical mid-July kick-off date for the season).......However, that region is more condusive for development this time of the year where the remnants may be headed so we will have to wait and see if more models jump on borad per Dr. M's note.
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248. MiamiHurricanes09 16:51 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting WinterAnalystwx13:
I think the BAMM is the most likely track...

I was favoring the BAMS but I'm beginning to favor the CLP5.
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249. raggpr 16:51 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Im here in Puerto Rico, now it started to rain, i heard my first thunder right now. Wind is picking up, not gusty winds but certainly gust up to 20-25 mph.
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250. CyclonicVoyage 16:52 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Quoting smmcdavid:


Ha! Guess he probably is... or should be. Gotta run peeps. See ya later.


I can hear him now. PLEASE, no storms in the gulf, PLEASE.

Ciao!
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251. SpicyAngel1072 16:52 GMT le 18 juin 2010    
Hey Storm!

good afternoon all :)
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