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Flooding Continues Along the Rio Grande
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 08:52 GMT le 10 juillet 2010 +4
Hi everybody, Dr. Rob Carver filling in for Jeff while he's on vacation.

Things have quieted down in the tropics. No invests are active, and the tropical waves at sea don't have many thunderstorms associated with them. However, the moisture associated with Alex and TD Two is still bring widespread showers to Mexico/Texas which is contributing to flooding alon the Rio Grande. Here are several videos documenting the troubles along the Rio Grande.









Finally, here's a story about relief efforts in northern Mexico for villages cutoff by flood damaged roads and bridges.


Next update
Jeff should be back on Monday. Have a good weekend.
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352. mfaria101 17:53 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Quoting Floodman:


Surface features like rivers can cause some interesting anomalies; I grew up in St Louis and typically the winter months would show it a little better. It would snow 12" mid state and less than 3 in St Louis and mostly due to the influence of the Missouri/Mississippi confluence

Its funny really, I spend a considerable amount of time lurking here trying to learn about the tropics, when i am sure there are lots of interesting things about the local weather I probably should pay attention to. really just sick of the water bill though.
How you holding up down there Flood?
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353. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 17:54 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Quoting mfaria101:


Keeper, is that a solar flare?
yes 11087 been actice area with at least 3 c class flares in last 24 hrs
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355. sailingallover 17:55 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Quoting Drakoen:


Cause there is little model support. Some people put heavy emphasis in the models and only the models.

The models have tens of thousands of man hours from the best mets in the world. ALL the data that is available in in general are way more accurate than us a group. Yes between all of us someone generally gets it right or close and in the simple cases like 95L but we can't see everything and take it into account like the models can.
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356. beell 17:55 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Quoting Drakoen:


Cause there is little model support. Some people put heavy emphasis in the models and only the models.


The important question to answer-if a model shows no support-why?
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357. Drakoen 17:57 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
SAL is far away enough now the problem is when ti gains some latitude.
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358. MiamiHurricanes09 17:57 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
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359. Tazmanian 17:57 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Quoting Tazmanian:
a wave is a wave this be come it dos not have any model support dos not mean the mode runs will not try too lock on too this wave later on may be the mode runs are waiting too see what this wave dos in the next 48hrs be for they start locking on too this
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360. Drakoen 17:58 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Quoting beell:


The important question to answer-if a model shows no support-why?


Exactly see post 345
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361. Stormchaser2007 17:59 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Just needs another 12-24 hours under its belt.

We'll see if it can survive.

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362. extreme236 17:59 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
In some ways this reminds me of a system that pushed off Africa maybe in 2008 (I forget what year it was) that was impressive and the NHC never mentioned it. Then it dissipated the next day.
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363. CaicosRetiredSailor 17:59 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
They have begun the process of changing the caps on the underwater oil gusher by lifting off the "top hat".
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364. Stormchaser2007 18:00 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Quoting extreme236:
In some ways this reminds me of a system that pushed off Africa maybe in 2008 (I forget what year it was) that was impressive and the NHC never mentioned it. Then it dissipated the next day.


That happens every year lol
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365. Floodman 18:00 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Quoting mfaria101:

Its funny really, I spend a considerable amount of time lurking here trying to learn about the tropics, when i am sure there are lots of interesting things about the local weather I probably should pay attention to. really just sick of the water bill though.
How you holding up down there Flood?


I'm good...getting a lot more rain than north Texas is generally used to; about 3" yesterday and it looks like we're getting some more blow up about now...how about you? How you doing?
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366. sailingallover 18:00 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:



OK So if it start to pull out of the ITCZ which it will have to in order to develop it's gonna run right into that red stuff...which is what I said. Look at where the ITCZ is analyzed at and the dust follows it very closely..
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367. extreme236 18:01 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:


That happens every year lol


I know lol, but this one got a lot of attention when it happened. More so than the usual convective cluster. I remember it being early in the season.
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368. CybrTeddy 18:02 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Just because models do not show development it doesn't mean that development will not occur. This tropical wave that just emerged off of Africa seems to have favorable to marginal conditions ahead for development.


Models show development.. ECMWF, GFS, CMC.
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369. MiamiHurricanes09 18:02 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Quoting sailingallover:

OK So if it start to pull out of the ITCZ which it will have to in order to develop it's gonna run right into that red stuff...which is what I said. Look at where the ITCZ is analyzed at and the dust follows it very closely..
SAL shouldn't be a problem for another several days.
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370. Drakoen 18:02 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Upper air analysis from Dakar reveals a wave structure:

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371. robert88 18:03 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
IMO i think it will be at least 8- 10 days until we might see something to be concerned about. We are in a quiet pattern for the time being. I think this year will be real active and at least 2 major cane landfalls for the US. I don't however see this being a hyperactive season similar to 2005 like so many have suggested. I am looking at this season being a mix of 2004 and 2007.
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372. JRRP 18:03 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
NGP is showing a storm near Nicaragua
Link
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374. MiamiHurricanes09 18:04 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Quoting CybrTeddy:


Models show development.. ECMWF, GFS, CMC.
I'm still waiting for the 12z ECMWF. GFS does show development. But the 12z CMC is showing no development.
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375. Hurricanes101 18:04 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Quoting JRRP:
NGP is showing a storm near Nicaragua
Link


NOGAPS has been forecasting a storm by Nicaragua for about a month now lol
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376. Stormchaser2007 18:04 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Quoting CybrTeddy:


Models show development.. ECMWF, GFS, CMC.


But then quickly kill it.
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377. Grothar 18:04 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:


What did I tell you about stealing my globes? LOL
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378. beell 18:05 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Quoting Drakoen:


Exactly see post 345


Fer sure, Drak. Would not have posted if I would have seen yours first! Certainly something to watch for.
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379. Stormchaser2007 18:05 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Impressive nonetheless
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380. MiamiHurricanes09 18:05 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Quoting Grothar:


What did I tell you about stealing my globes? LOL
I was hoping that you wouldn't sign in. LOL!
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382. MiamiHurricanes09 18:06 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
Impressive nonetheless
Interesting thunderstorm activity developing in the eastern quadrant.
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383. Floodman 18:06 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Quoting robert88:
IMO i think it will be at least 8- 10 days until we might see something to be concerned about. We are in a quiet pattern for the time being. I think this year will be real active and at least 2 major cane landfalls for the US. I don't however see this being a hyperactive season similar to 2005 like so many have suggested. I am looking at this season being a mix of 2004 and 2007.


2004 was bad enough in it's own right; ask any Florida native about the landfalls that year. Again it only takes one storm to make it a bad year. I'm reserving my opinion on whether or not we'll see hyperactive...
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384. Stormchaser2007 18:07 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Interesting thunderstorm activity developing in the eastern quadrant.


They are more than likely just daytime thunderstorms. Have to get convection to develop over water.
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385. JRRP 18:09 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Quoting Hurricanes101:


NOGAPS has been forecasting a storm by Nicaragua for about a month now lol

omg jajajaja
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386. Grothar 18:09 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Remember to put on your sunglasses before viewing this latest flare!!!!

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387. MiamiHurricanes09 18:10 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Hurricane Alex had a total ACE (Accumulated Cyclone Energy) of 6.78 of average. That's about 3 times the ACE of the 2005 hurricane season opener, Arlene.
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388. caneswatch 18:10 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Quoting Grothar:
Remember to put on your sunglasses before viewing this latest flare!!!!



Oakley's always do the trick.
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389. extreme236 18:10 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Quoting Floodman:


2004 was bad enough in it's own right; ask any Florida native about the landfalls that year. Again it only takes one storm to make it a bad year. I'm reserving my opinion on whether or not we'll see hyperactive...


2004's hurricane season was hyperactive, so not sure what he is talking about.
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390. MiamiHurricanes09 18:10 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:


They are more than likely just daytime thunderstorms. Have to get convection to develop over water.
That's exactly what they are. Happens every day there at around 6PM GMT.
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391. mfaria101 18:11 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Quoting extreme236:


I know lol, but this one got a lot of attention when it happened. More so than the usual convective cluster. I remember it being early in the season.

Im good, Wasting time on here instead of doing chores, lol, this blog becomes an obsession even for those of us not in the tropics, but i'll return to lurking, i'll send you a wu-mail in a few
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393. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 18:12 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Quoting Grothar:
Remember to put on your sunglasses before viewing this latest flare!!!!

here is a zoom in regular view

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394. USSINS 18:12 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
There is way too much emphasis being given to dust with considerably less concentrations now than even a couple of days ago. EUMETSAT's dust product more accurately depicts dust concentrations than does CIMSS, imo. Heaviest amounts are above 15n, 40-45w, except further north and east, but both areas are considerly further north, away from the ITCZ and the main areas for tropical development in the MDR.

There is a pocket of dry air between 50-60w and south of 15n, but water vapor shows even that area regressing, diminishing with the moist easterly flow coming westwards.

Shear also doesn't appear to be particularly unfavorable in the present. Haven't looked, but believe MJO conditions are not particularly supportive, but other than that, with the right wave, the right latitude, see no reason for development not to be possible. Dust, certainly, will not be the single most detrimental, inhibiting factor.

396. robert88 18:15 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Quoting StormW:


I'm kinda partial to 1995 and 1998.


That is very possible as well. Guess we will find out soon enough :)
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397. StormGoddess 18:15 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Hey there everybody. Just noticed something interesting in that the system at 57W northeast of the Antilles just shot off a streamer of energy to the southwest which is now south of the Dominican Republic at about 71W. You can see it happen in this loop here.
Link
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398. USSINS 18:15 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
here is a zoom in regular view



Wow! The sun seems to be really cutting up! Whoa!
399. hurricane23 18:15 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Quoting IKE:
This may go on for awhile...

TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
200 PM EDT SAT JUL 10 2010

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.

$$
FORECASTER BROWN



ENSO 3.4 is -0.6 c and the TNA/AMO is at all time highs...probably about 2-3 weeks away from seeing solid tropical activity.
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401. MiamiHurricanes09 18:16 GMT le 10 juillet 2010    
Quoting USSINS:
There is way too much emphasis being given to dust with considerably less concentrations now than even a couple of days ago. EUMETSAT's dust product more accurately depicts dust concentrations than does CIMSS, imo. Heaviest amounts are above 15n, 40-45w, except further north and east, but both areas are considerly further north, away from the ITCZ and the main areas for tropical development in the MDR.

There is a pocket of dry air between 50-60w and south of 15n, but water vapor shows even that area regressing, diminishing with the moist easterly flow coming westwards.

Shear also doesn't appear to be particularly unfavorable in the present. Haven't looked, but believe MJO conditions are not particularly supportive, but other than that, with the right wave, the right latitude, see no reason for development not to be possible. Dust, certainly, will not be the single most detrimental, inhibiting factor.

That area is under upward motion.

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