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TD 3 growing more organized
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 20:01 GMT le 22 juillet 2010 +4
Tropical Depression Three is steadily organizing, and appears poised to become a much stronger storm than was forecast. Water vapor satellite loops show that the upper level low to the west of TD 3 that has been bringing high levels of wind shear to the storm is now moving faster to the west than predicted. This faster motion has resulted in a reduction in wind shear over TD 3, to a moderate 10 knots. Satellite images of TD 3 show that the storm is taking advantage of the lower shear by developing several low-level spiral bands to the north and east of the center. However, the center of circulation is still exposed to view, and dry air is still getting injected into the core of the storm from the southwest. The storm's heavy thunderstorms have not increased in intensity this afternoon, and the amount of heavy thunderstorm activity near the core of the storm is still limited. TD 3 will need to build more intense thunderstorms near its center before significant intensification can occur. TD 3 is a small storm, and surface observations in the Bahamas do not show the circulation very well. An outer rain band of TD 3 is now visible on Miami long-range radar, and a flood watch has been issued for all of South Florida. The Hurricane Hunters are in the storm at present, and have found top surface winds of 35 - 40 mph.


Figure 1. Afternoon satellite image of TD 3.

Track Forecast for TD 3
The storm is in a straightforward steering current environment, and TD 3 should progress steadily to the west-northwest through Sunday. This will bring the storm ashore over the Florida Keys or South Florida on Friday, and into the Gulf of Mexico on Saturday. The latest set of model runs from 8am EDT (12Z) foresee a track more to the north than the previous set of model runs. This increases the threat to the oil spill region, and I give a 40% chance that the oil spill region will see tropical storm force winds of 39 mph or higher this weekend. Oil recovery and relief well drilling operations should cease. If TD 3 makes a direct hit on the oil spill region as a tropical storm with 50 - 60 mph winds, it will likely drive a storm surge of 3 - 6 feet with high waves on top into the Louisiana marshlands, fouling a large area with oil. Oil would also penetrate into Lake Pontchartrain, which lies just two feet above sea level. However, the wave action of the storm will dilute the oil to some degree, which may limit the damage to the marshlands.

If you are wondering about the specific probabilities of receiving tropical storm force winds at your location, I recommend the wind probability product from NHC. The latest 5 pm probabilities of various locations getting tropical storm force winds, 39 mph or higher:

Marathon 55%
Marco Island 43%
Miami 34%
New Orleans 33%
Galveston 13%

Intensity Forecast for TD 3
The primary detriment to development of TD 3 for the next three days will be the presence of the large upper-level low to its west. If the low remains in its present location, relative to TD 3, it will bring wind shear of about 10 knots to the storm. This will allow for steady intensification of perhaps 20 mph per day, and TD 3 could be a hurricane by Sunday at that pace. However, if the upper-level low slows down a bit, relative to TD 3, more shear and dry air will affect the storm, potentially weakening it. None of the computer models is calling for TD 3 to strengthen into a hurricane, but if the shear continues at 10 knots, I expect TD 3 will become a hurricane. My low-confidence intensity forecast gives TD 3 a 40% chance of becoming a hurricane. NHC is putting the odds of TD 3 being a hurricane at 2 pm Sunday at 15% with their 5pm advisory.

98L
An area of disturbed weather (98L) has developed in the Gulf of Mexico's Bay of Campeche. This system is under a low amount of shear, 5 - 10 knots, and probably does not have enough time to organize into a tropical depression before making landfall along the Mexican coast a few hundred miles south of the Texas border on Friday.

Resources for the BP oil disaster
Map of oil spill location from the NOAA Satellite Services Division
My post, What a hurricane would do the Deepwater Horizon oil spill
My post on the Southwest Florida "Forbidden Zone" where surface oil will rarely go
My post on what oil might do to a hurricane
NOAA's interactive mapping tool to overlay wind and ocean current forecasts, oil locations, etc.
Gulf Oil Blog from the UGA Department of Marine Sciences
Oil Spill Academic Task Force
University of South Florida Ocean Circulation Group oil spill forecasts
ROFFS Deepwater Horizon page
Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) imagery from the University of Miami

Next update
I'll have an update in the morning. ABC World News Tonight will probably show a sound bite I did for them today, on their 6:30pm broadcast.

Jeff Masters
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2552. chrisdscane 03:42 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t1/ir2-l.jpg
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2553. AllyBama 03:42 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
geez....I don't like being in the cone of uncertainty!..it was nice being OUT of the cone area yesterday..lol..if the cone moves further east, then my good friends in the panhandle will be in there with me and Pat!..sorry if this offends anyone just putting some humor in here before things get tense over the coming hours..
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2554. help4u 03:42 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
RobertM320,agree the president has called this one.He is on top of this storm!
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2555. floridaT 03:42 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
Quoting gator23:


a million more people live in Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties than in the entire state of Louisiana. food for thought.
also only one way out they forcasted andrew to be much more north alot of broward people went south to dade
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2556. gator23 03:42 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
Quoting Detrina:


But we still have roads in Miami...

huh?
1)I am quite sure they have roads in Louisiana and I expect Patrap will be along shortly to confirm it.
2)Apparently you are not familiar with the term "food for thought" its like a fun fact.
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2557. aspectre 03:43 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
TropicalStorm Bonnie was^heading for a SouthAndrosIsland,Bahamas landfall in ~4hours on its way toward NorthKeyLargo,Florida
(Straightline^projection using its last 2 positions. Take with HUGE grain of salt)
Copy&paste 22.3N74.9W, 22.7N75.4W, 23.1N75.9W, 23.1N75.9W-23.4N76.5W, 23.4N76.5W-23.9N77.5W, 23.4N76.5W-25.3N80.4W, BIX, TAM, 18.5N87W, 28.7N88.4W into the GreatCircleMapper
Shortest red line denotes the movement between last two positions. Below the map shows:
TS.Bonnie had a heading of 298.5degrees (6degrees north of WestNorthWest) while traveling
a distance of 43miles(~69kilometres) over 3hours at a speed of ~14mph(~23k/h),
and was 72miles(~116kilometres) away from the coast in the direction of its heading.

^ Straightline projections are not forecasts of what will happen in the future,
especially not for TropicalCyclones. They aftcast what has already happened.
* DeepwaterHorizon is marked at 28.7N88.4W
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2558. pipelines 03:43 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
I have to disagree with you on this one. If the fact the two centers are decoupled (which I think is very questionable at this point based on lack of evidence) the supposed LLC that you can see on the visible right before dusk is already so far removed at that time and moving so quickly away from the MLC that there is no way those two centers could be realigned in the future. That LLC will dissipate and the only chance Bonnie has of becoming vertically stacked again is forming a new LLC under the MLC.

Again I don't think the centers are decoupled, maybe not perfectly stacked, but not decoupled. I'm basing this on shortwave imagery which shows low level clouds pretty well at night and I see nothing south of Bonnie that resembles a naked LLC.

Just my 2 cents.

Quoting Levi32:


They could eventually get back together out in the Gulf of Mexico if the upper low backs far enough away to allow the mid-level and surface flows to become more aligned again, which would give Bonnie a chance to become vertically stacked. There is also just as much chance that they never become re-aligned, and in that case we would see all the convective action remain north of the center which would appear as a near or half-naked swirl of low clouds.
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2559. Hurricanes12 03:43 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
Bonnie looks like a bat or a bird kind of. Doesn't look too great.
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2560. angiest 03:43 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
Quoting RobertM320:


Actually, Sunday night is only 72 hours away. And there's a weekend involved. You ever try to do anything with the government on a weekend??? LOL


You ever try to do anything with the government, period?

Disclaimer, I am a public servant.
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2561. xcool 03:43 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    


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2563. gator23 03:44 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
Quoting atmoaggie:
It's about the numbers that live below 5 feet above sea level or less, not who's food is better.

my state meant was unrelated the the state of emergency comment. Let me clarify that. It was a passing comment. A fun fact.
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2564. TampaSpin 03:44 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
Quoting centex:
looks almost like xtrap. Just an extrapilation. The point I've not been making all night. Not to ignore the ridge.


It appears the Ridge is going to break down faster then thought....i further track to the right will be coming.....Could be a Panhandle storm....IMO
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2565. Kristina40 03:44 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
Quoting Patrap:


You really havent a clue what your talking about ,..ever.



I rarely even post Patrap but I don't think LA declaring a State of Emergency was a bad idea. If nothing else because of the oil situation. Gator is trying to compare LA declaring a SOE with Miami/Dade not.
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2566. atmoaggie 03:44 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
Quoting gator23:

huh?
1)I am quite sure they have roads in Louisiana and I expect Patrap will be along shortly to confirm it.
2)Apparently you are not familiar with the term "food for thought" its like a fun fact.
Nope. Air boat is the only way to get to MS or TX. We all keep our cars in the Wallyworld parking lot in Gulfport.
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2567. cchsweatherman 03:45 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
I'm prepared for an all-nighter tracking Tropical Storm Bonnie since we're under Tropical Storm Warnings here.
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2568. Progster 03:45 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
Quoting angiest:


You ever try to do anything with the government, period?

Disclaimer, I am a public servant.


You must work for FEMA :)
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2569. scott39 03:45 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
Levi, Is the ULLs position still in line with Bonnie not having the most favorable conditions in the GOM for further developement? Im on the E side edge of that cone and I dont like it! Give me some good news!
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2570. Levi32 03:45 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
Quoting pipelines:
I have to disagree with you on this one. If the fact the two centers are decoupled (which I think is very questionable at this point based on lack of evidence) the supposed LLC that you can see on the visible right before dusk is already so far removed at that time and moving so quickly away from the MLC that there is no way those two centers could be realigned in the future. That LLC will dissipate and the only chance Bonnie has of becoming vertically stacked again is forming a new LLC under the MLC.

Again I don't think the centers are decoupled, maybe not perfectly stacked, but not decoupled. I'm basing this on shortwave imagery which shows low level clouds pretty well at night and I see nothing south of Bonnie that resembles a naked LLC.

Just my 2 cents.



Well we lost the daylight at a bad time....we'll see what it looks like in the morning, but I'm pretty sure it's decoupled. It's not the worst one we've ever seen.

As for them getting back together it really depends. Often the surface center gets sucked back under the mid-level one but that can't really happen here. What may be more likely is that the current mid-level center dissipates and a new one forms closer to the surface center out over the gulf, assuming the storm is even able to strengthen, and they become vertically stacked then.
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2571. bappit 03:45 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
Quoting atmoaggie:
Ehh.


Eh? Eh?

The NHC mentioned confluence.
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2572. gator23 03:46 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
Quoting Patrap:
Quoting gator23:


a million more people live in Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties than in the entire state of Louisiana. food for thought.




You really havent a clue what your talking about ,..ever.

Between NOLA,Orleans Parish,Jefferson Parish to its West and the N Shore..there are 1,000,000people in the Metro area .

Go to bed.

Ya boring us to death


why would you assume I am somehow attacking you? Please explain what I said that was annoying to you. Dont be so sensitive.
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2573. cybergrump 03:46 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
looks like it made a more west turn at the end of new image
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2574. MagicSpork 03:46 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
Galveston area roll call! It should be interesting to see what the local employers start doing if there is a tropical storm rolling towards the area on Sunday. Even if it does make landfall in Louisiana, I'm thinking everybody is going to err on the side of caution. Looks like we might get an extended weekend...
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2575. FeartheEye 03:46 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
Quoting Patrap:


I live in Hammond.. Dont think the track could get any close to Hammond and BR than that does...
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2577. Detrina 03:46 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
Sure they have roads, just not as many coming from the coast, at least that is my understanding from friends that went back after Katrina. From my understanding it would take them almost twice as long to get out in the event they needed to in the lower parish areas. I don't know that for a fact, just participating in the general conversation. Does it hurt anything for them to have their SOE if they think they need it?
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2579. RobertM320 03:47 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
Quoting gator23:


a million more people live in Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties than in the entire state of Louisiana. food for thought.


And you've got more roads, a more affluent populaton and you're not below sea level.
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2580. xcool 03:47 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
hmm west move
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2581. louisianaweatherguy 03:47 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
Quoting atmoaggie:
It's about the numbers that live below 5 feet above sea level or less, not who's food is better.


lol
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2582. stillwaiting 03:47 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
......so when they gonna move the track futher north???the center should be going over near islmarada,FL IMO...maybe a bit north like key largo!!!
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2583. RainyEyes 03:47 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
Quoting cchsweatherman:
I'm prepared for an all-nighter tracking Tropical Storm Bonnie since we're under Tropical Storm Warnings here.


I will be up with ya! SE CC here :)
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2584. pipelines 03:47 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
Quoting Levi32:


Well we lost the daylight at a bad time....we'll see what it looks like in the morning, but I'm pretty sure it's decoupled. It's not the worst one we've ever seen.

As for them getting back together it really depends. Often the surface center gets sucked back under the mid-level one but that can't really happen here. What may be more likely is that the current mid-level center dissipates and a new one forms closer to the surface center out over the gulf, assuming the storm is even able to strengthen, and they become vertically stacked then.


It's hard to tell what's going on for sure, do you have a link with some surface observations to look at? May give a hint. I've lost most of my links after a recent hardware disaster.
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2585. angiest 03:47 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
Quoting scott39:
Levi, Is the ULLs position still in line with Bonnie not having the most favorable conditions in the GOM for further developement? Im on the E side edge of that cone and I dont like it! Give me some good news!


I think that one will come down to which is moving west the fastest.
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2586. Levi32 03:48 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
Quoting scott39:
Levi, Is the ULLs position still in line with Bonnie not having the most favorable conditions in the GOM for further developement? Im on the E side edge of that cone and I dont like it! Give me some good news!


I still think it is. We'll see if it tries to put on some more distance from Bonnie over the next couple days, but I don't expect anything stronger in the gulf than what we are seeing now.
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2587. southfla 03:48 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
Quoting atmoaggie:
Nope. Air boat is the only way to get to MS or TX. We all keep our cars in the Wallyworld parking lot in Gulfport.


that was funny...lol

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2588. chrisdscane 03:48 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
sry for caps but ima scream it

KATRINA LOOKED WORSE WAS IN ABOUT THE SAME CONDITIONS WAS IN COOLER WATER ALITTLE LESS SHEAR AND NO UPPER LOW SO BASIKLY THE SAME SITUATION AND LOOKED WUT HAPPEN SRY FOR CAPS BUT IM VENTING
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2589. gator23 03:48 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
Quoting Kristina40:


I rarely even post Patrap but I don't think LA declaring a State of Emergency was a bad idea. If nothing else because of the oil situation. Gator is trying to compare LA declaring a SOE with Miami/Dade not.

no I was not. I let that go. Lord what a bunch sensitive people.
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2590. clwstmchasr 03:50 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
Quoting cchsweatherman:
I'm prepared for an all-nighter tracking Tropical Storm Bonnie since we're under Tropical Storm Warnings here.


Better start drinking a nice cold Mountain Dew:)
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2591. TampaSpin 03:50 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
Checking the Vorticity at all levels......it does not show a De-cupled system....

850mb Vorticity


700mb Vorticity


500mb Vorticity


LOOKS pretty stacked to me all the way to the top.....it might be tilted some but, nothing shows this being De-coupled....visible would show that tomorrow tho.
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2593. Detrina 03:50 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
Quoting gator23:

no I was not. I let that go. Lord what a bunch sensitive people.


Lol well I don't know about the rest of the *sensitive people* but you sound pretty argumentative to me:) Can we talk about something else now..like where is this silly storm going?
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2594. Baybuddy 03:50 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
Quoting TampaSpin:


It appears the Ridge is going to break down faster then thought....i further track to the right will be coming.....Could be a Panhandle storm....IMO


Yup. Not big, but I agree.
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2595. atmoaggie 03:50 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
Quoting louisianaweatherguy:


lol
Check yer WUmail. Messaged if that isn't something you're used to doing.
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2596. NCHurricane2009 03:51 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
Evening all,

This system has been really annoying. I ate three crows when I said three different times (on my blog) that 97L wouldn't develop. Then it looked like this afternoon conditions had improved for development a lot, and it looked like a small tropical cyclone ready to take off, so I forecasted by the time Bonnie reaches S FL a range of max winds 60-90 mph. Now, I currently lean toward the 60 mph end of that forecast range.

This system is not as straightforward as 98L, which I feel I am about to eat a cookie for that one because it hasn't become anything stronger than a TD as I predicting early this morning.
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2597. hydrus 03:51 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
Quoting gator23:

huh?
1)I am quite sure they have roads in Louisiana and I expect Patrap will be along shortly to confirm it.
2)Apparently you are not familiar with the term "food for thought" its like a fun fact.
Good evening Gator. Yes, they do have roads in Louisiana, but they are some of the worst in the country. Most are in terrible condition and are extremely dangerous. Louisiana ranks second in the country for the most deadliest roads. Montana is #1.
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2598. cattlebaroness 03:51 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
I have some questions if y'all don't mind. Dr master suggested this could become a cane. Is that still underconsideration. It's a pretty short time frame
2599. SeniorPoppy 03:51 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
Quoting chrisdscane:
sry for caps but ima scream it

KATRINA LOOKED WORSE WAS IN ABOUT THE SAME CONDITIONS WAS IN COOLER WATER ALITTLE LESS SHEAR AND NO UPPER LOW SO BASIKLY THE SAME SITUATION AND LOOKED WUT HAPPEN SRY FOR CAPS BUT IM VENTING


It is not the same situation. Entirely different because Katrina had much more ideal conditions to work with. This storm is surrounded by a much more hostile environment.
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2600. msgambler 03:51 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
Quoting atmoaggie:
Nope. Air boat is the only way to get to MS or TX. We all keep our cars in the Wallyworld parking lot in Gulfport.
No wonder I can never find a parkin spot there....LOL
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2601. Patrap 03:51 GMT le 23 juillet 2010    
keep an eye on er CCHS,..


Im gonna head to da WUnderland Upstairs.

Later gators and Cajuns.



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