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TD 3 growing more organized
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 20:01 GMT le 22 juillet 2010 +4
Tropical Depression Three is steadily organizing, and appears poised to become a much stronger storm than was forecast. Water vapor satellite loops show that the upper level low to the west of TD 3 that has been bringing high levels of wind shear to the storm is now moving faster to the west than predicted. This faster motion has resulted in a reduction in wind shear over TD 3, to a moderate 10 knots. Satellite images of TD 3 show that the storm is taking advantage of the lower shear by developing several low-level spiral bands to the north and east of the center. However, the center of circulation is still exposed to view, and dry air is still getting injected into the core of the storm from the southwest. The storm's heavy thunderstorms have not increased in intensity this afternoon, and the amount of heavy thunderstorm activity near the core of the storm is still limited. TD 3 will need to build more intense thunderstorms near its center before significant intensification can occur. TD 3 is a small storm, and surface observations in the Bahamas do not show the circulation very well. An outer rain band of TD 3 is now visible on Miami long-range radar, and a flood watch has been issued for all of South Florida. The Hurricane Hunters are in the storm at present, and have found top surface winds of 35 - 40 mph.


Figure 1. Afternoon satellite image of TD 3.

Track Forecast for TD 3
The storm is in a straightforward steering current environment, and TD 3 should progress steadily to the west-northwest through Sunday. This will bring the storm ashore over the Florida Keys or South Florida on Friday, and into the Gulf of Mexico on Saturday. The latest set of model runs from 8am EDT (12Z) foresee a track more to the north than the previous set of model runs. This increases the threat to the oil spill region, and I give a 40% chance that the oil spill region will see tropical storm force winds of 39 mph or higher this weekend. Oil recovery and relief well drilling operations should cease. If TD 3 makes a direct hit on the oil spill region as a tropical storm with 50 - 60 mph winds, it will likely drive a storm surge of 3 - 6 feet with high waves on top into the Louisiana marshlands, fouling a large area with oil. Oil would also penetrate into Lake Pontchartrain, which lies just two feet above sea level. However, the wave action of the storm will dilute the oil to some degree, which may limit the damage to the marshlands.

If you are wondering about the specific probabilities of receiving tropical storm force winds at your location, I recommend the wind probability product from NHC. The latest 5 pm probabilities of various locations getting tropical storm force winds, 39 mph or higher:

Marathon 55%
Marco Island 43%
Miami 34%
New Orleans 33%
Galveston 13%

Intensity Forecast for TD 3
The primary detriment to development of TD 3 for the next three days will be the presence of the large upper-level low to its west. If the low remains in its present location, relative to TD 3, it will bring wind shear of about 10 knots to the storm. This will allow for steady intensification of perhaps 20 mph per day, and TD 3 could be a hurricane by Sunday at that pace. However, if the upper-level low slows down a bit, relative to TD 3, more shear and dry air will affect the storm, potentially weakening it. None of the computer models is calling for TD 3 to strengthen into a hurricane, but if the shear continues at 10 knots, I expect TD 3 will become a hurricane. My low-confidence intensity forecast gives TD 3 a 40% chance of becoming a hurricane. NHC is putting the odds of TD 3 being a hurricane at 2 pm Sunday at 15% with their 5pm advisory.

98L
An area of disturbed weather (98L) has developed in the Gulf of Mexico's Bay of Campeche. This system is under a low amount of shear, 5 - 10 knots, and probably does not have enough time to organize into a tropical depression before making landfall along the Mexican coast a few hundred miles south of the Texas border on Friday.

Resources for the BP oil disaster
Map of oil spill location from the NOAA Satellite Services Division
My post, What a hurricane would do the Deepwater Horizon oil spill
My post on the Southwest Florida "Forbidden Zone" where surface oil will rarely go
My post on what oil might do to a hurricane
NOAA's interactive mapping tool to overlay wind and ocean current forecasts, oil locations, etc.
Gulf Oil Blog from the UGA Department of Marine Sciences
Oil Spill Academic Task Force
University of South Florida Ocean Circulation Group oil spill forecasts
ROFFS Deepwater Horizon page
Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) imagery from the University of Miami

Next update
I'll have an update in the morning. ABC World News Tonight will probably show a sound bite I did for them today, on their 6:30pm broadcast.

Jeff Masters
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301. txag91met 20:54 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
So funny how this board gets all worked up over little systems like this...just wait until August or September when we get a real system.

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303. newportrinative 20:54 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting TropicalNonsense:


u have to be kidding.


Don't get it....SFLA is in the cone and even Dr Master's track has the storm going on shore in the Keys or on the mainland (south).
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304. DellOperator 20:54 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting chrisdscane:
can they upgrade a system at anyu time or does it matter????


I recall in some past reports of powerful hurricanes that a few storms were estimated a category higher for a short period of time via satellite but since the measurements were not physically measured they were discounted. By the time a plane was vectoring through the storm it had weakened somewhat (maybe b/c of an EWRC who knows) and the historical data was never logged as tagging a higher category.

Wasn't there a Florida hurricane scrutinized as to whether or not it was a 4 or 5 for a while, then based off of damage assessments and research, years later it was deemed a cat 5? I can't recall the exact storm though.
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305. MiamiHurricanes09 20:55 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting TropicalNonsense:


u have to be kidding.
Why?
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306. CaptDanny 20:55 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Something you may or may have not noticed:

SUMMARY OF 500 PM EDT...2100 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...22.7N 75.4W
ABOUT 205 MI...325 KM SE OF NASSAU
ABOUT 425 MI...685 KM ESE OF KEY WEST FLORIDA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...35 MPH...55 KM/HR
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NW OR 310 DEGREES AT 14 MPH...22 KM/HR
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1006 MB...29.71 INCHES


What did we miss
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307. Dropsonde 20:55 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
IMO people are too focused on whether the NHC chooses to call it by a name this evening. The issue with this system is the apparent TRACK. Alex didn't come anywhere close to the oil spill site, but its swells still pushed crude onshore in high volumes. This thing is predicted to track over it... and the experience with Alex shows that it doesn't matter whether it becomes a hurricane or a TS... or for that matter, stays a depression, though I will eat anyone's bird of choice if it doesn't get the upgrade at some point... the central Gulf Coast is about to be in for it in a big way. Let's hope that the people hypothesizing that a tropical cyclone would make it easier to clean up the mess turn out to be right, because we're about to be in that position.
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308. rmbjoe1954 20:55 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
In reality TD3 looks pretty much beat up.
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309. BahaHurican 20:56 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
I don't see much change likely with watch/warning areas UNLESS this storm mushrooms in size. The track shift is really not that great. It's pretty much what they were forecasting from the getgo [remember OFCI took it across Srn Miami-Dade county, and whether or not it crosses there or at Marathon may be based on a jog or jig].

IMO the only real potential for surprise with this would be a massive unexpected upswing in intensity. So far I don't see the conditions shifting quickly enough to allow that.

I'm taking a break. I think we should see some interesting developments tonight, so I'm going to take a nap now and stay up abit later tonight.
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310. stormhank 20:56 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Hey everyone any possible affects here in Fla. panahndle area?? I see the models edged more to the east than they were this morning???
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311. Patrap 20:56 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
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312. caneswatch 20:56 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting Royallypalmbeaches:
With all points (and yes things change)looking like a Keys or near Miami path would this pretty much leave Northern WPB and points further North in the clear? And how far north will the feader bands possible go?


It doesn't leave us in the clear. The north side of the storm is the worst, so therefore, TS winds will more than likely impact us.
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313. bahamacast 20:56 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Im at 23.27N 75.41W

Conditions

Wind : NE 30KNT Gust 35KNT
Rain : Med
Pressure : Falling


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315. hurricanejunky 20:56 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
TD3 moving definitely north of the forecast points:
Link
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316. RufusBaker 20:57 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
yeah TD3 doesnt look that good still pretty floppy and sloppy
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318. ElConando 20:57 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
37 mph was the highest surface wind found in this flight.
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319. Hhunter 20:57 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting robert88:
That ULL is turning out to be a blessing for GOM residents. Future Bonnie looks to be nothing but a sheared mess. There was a good reason that the global models were not too excited about this system. You can see the dry air and shear taking a toll on it on satellite and water vapor. At least we have something to track though. What a boring month of July it has been in the tropics. It looks to be that way for the next 10 days at least.


read the doc's blog........lol
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320. hurricane23 20:58 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting TropicalNonsense:


u have to be kidding.


No why should i be kidding?? I'am stressing my view that a sfl landfall can still happen. Those center relo's have something to do with that. Regardless some nasty weather is almost a guarantee as sfl will be on the dirty side of this cyclone.
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321. Patrap 20:58 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
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322. mikatnight 20:58 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    




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323. catastropheadjuster 20:58 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Just thought I would throw this in. My son just called he in Grand Isle,LA working and he just told me that tommorrow morning there suppose to start evacuating grand isle, he want be leaving until 20 hours before it comes in, there take the cranes apart and everything. He called me to let me know, I told him I didn't think it was gonna get bad. Heck I just don't know what to think.
Sheri
oops put years instead of hours. thank Angie
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324. reedzone 20:58 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Funny thing is guys, TD3 is not getting sheared much, maybe not at all. Wind shear is at 10-15 knots according to the CIMMS shear map. I expect an upgrade in the morning if not tonight. Also the ULL continues to track fast to the west which is allowing TD3 to give in to much more favorable conditions. Unfortunately, I'm thinking a Hurricane is on the way.
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325. Hurricanes101 20:58 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting ElConando:
37 mph was the highest surface wind found in this flight.


guess all those TS force winds were just a figment of our imagination

I know what I saw and I know what column to look under and there were a good amount of them
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327. lickitysplit 20:59 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting btwntx08:
Quoting hurrkat05:
lol gang where is TROPICAL STORM BONNIE AT...i wonder why they didnt name it ..maybe they didnt want to look like fools...i said and ill say it again if bonnie isnt a tropical storm by 11pm it will never be one...guys look at the dry air going into the sw of the llc...plus the shear waiting ahead of it and they are going to close down operations in the gom...the NHC will take a big hit on this one...IKE YOU BELIEVE ME NOW..

liar POOF cant u read the shear tendency it shows blue dash lines meaning ITS DECRASING and white increasing look at the path its ahead yea that right in the DECRASING AREA OF SHEAR so better have 1000 lbs of crow ready hahahaha


This is the exact kind of screed that keeps me coming back. Its like the insane rantings of Hurely on Lost. Endless entertainment I tell ya.
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328. DaytonaBeachWatcher 20:59 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
if the cone death as they call it pans out, it is gonna push all that oil into lake ponch. bad news
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329. TropicalNonsense 20:59 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Why?


it's not out of the question but the further North it goes the more
it will interact with the ULL and it will not strengthen much if any.

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330. will45 21:00 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
i think the models will even shift a lil right on the next runs
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331. angiest 21:00 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting catastropheadjuster:
Just thought I would throw this in. My son just called he in Grand Isle,LA working and he just told me that tommorrow morning there suppose to start evacuating grand isle, he want be leaving until 20yrs before it comes in, there take the cranes apart and everything. He called me to let me know, I told him I didn't think it was gonna get bad. Heck I just don't know what to think.
Sheri


If he's not leaving until 20yrs before landfall then he needed to leave back in 1990. :)
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332. ElConando 21:00 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting Hurricanes101:


guess all those TS force winds were just a figment of our imagination

I know what I saw and I know what column to look under and there were a good amount of them


actually scratch that 33-34mph. Got mixed up
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333. tea3781 21:00 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Its still moving NW...I thought by now it be heading more W...im going with Miami/Fort Lauderdale landfall
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335. sailfish01 21:01 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL032010
500 PM EDT THU JUL 22 2010

...AIR FORCE RECONNAISSANCE PLANE FINDS THAT THE TROPICAL DEPRESSION
HAS NOT STRENGTHENED...


SUMMARY OF 500 PM EDT...2100 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...22.7N 75.4W
ABOUT 205 MI...325 KM SE OF NASSAU
ABOUT 425 MI...685 KM ESE OF KEY WEST FLORIDA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...35 MPH...55 KM/HR
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NW OR 310 DEGREES AT 14 MPH...22 KM/HR
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1006 MB...29.71 INCHES
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338. homelesswanderer 21:02 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
ThAnks DRM. My first glance at the track had it pointed at me. So I thought we were good. Sure nuff 10 seconds later it shifted.
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339. Buhdog 21:02 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
All the action is way north of the fcpts...

It never ceases in here to amaze me the stupid questions and statements by non regulars. People need to back off the bashing on Jeff too... my god, it has seemed North or north of what was expected all day!! Thank god this is approaching from the SE....
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340. Patrap 21:02 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
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341. RufusBaker 21:02 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
And its only July. Aug and Sept gonna be nasty folks . Lets put our nasty hats on shall we? TTTT
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343. mcluvincane 21:03 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting reedzone:
Funny thing is guys, TD3 is not getting sheared much, maybe not at all. Wind shear is at 10-15 knots according to the CIMMS shear map. I expect an upgrade in the morning if not tonight. Also the ULL continues to track fast to the west which is allowing TD3 to give in to much more favorable conditions. Unfortunately, I'm thinking a Hurricane is on the way.


Hey Reed. How fast is the upper low moving compared to TD3.
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344. xcool 21:03 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
td3 wnw
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345. smmcdavid 21:03 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting Buhdog:
All the action is way north of the fcpts...

It never ceases in here to amaze me the stupid questions and statements by non regulars. People need to back off the bashing on Jeff too... my god, it has seemed North or north of what was expected all day!! Thank god this is approaching from the SE....


The regulars can be just as stupid... true story. :-)
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346. Hhunter 21:04 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
i am starting to sound like broken record player. but before ya starting commenting read the doc's blog. It is kinda of silly to ask a question or express a doubt that he has directly addressed. For example, intensity. He puts Hurrican chance currently at 40%. His opinion, but a learned one. so read!!!
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347. robert88 21:04 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
TD 3 is weakening fairly good now. Cloud tops are warming and the ULL is feeding it dry air with some shear as well. The center will probably become exposed again. It would not be out of the question TD 3 never becomes a TS and fizzles out into an open wave. It has happened many times before with a setup similar to this.
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348. Patrap 21:04 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
NEXRAD Radar
Miami, Base Reflectivity 0.50 Degree Elevation Range 248 NMI

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349. TropicalAnalystwx13 21:04 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting reedzone:
Funny thing is guys, TD3 is not getting sheared much, maybe not at all. Wind shear is at 10-15 knots according to the CIMMS shear map. I expect an upgrade in the morning if not tonight. Also the ULL continues to track fast to the west which is allowing TD3 to give in to much more favorable conditions. Unfortunately, I'm thinking a Hurricane is on the way.


I concur.
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350. TropicalNonsense 21:04 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting reedzone:
Funny thing is guys, TD3 is not getting sheared much, maybe not at all. Wind shear is at 10-15 knots according to the CIMMS shear map. I expect an upgrade in the morning if not tonight. Also the ULL continues to track fast to the west which is allowing TD3 to give in to much more favorable conditions. Unfortunately, I'm thinking a Hurricane is on the way.


upcaster! ... very unlike you reed. i will erase my
hardrive if TD#3 becomes a hurricane before
hitting Florida!

possibly in the Gulf but not any sooner i wouldnt think.
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351. reedzone 21:04 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting hurrkat05:
REED CHECK OUT THE DRY AIR PIURING INTO THE SW SIDE OF THE LLC...YOU CAN SEE..


I see no "dry air".. everything's a go for gradual intensification ;)
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