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TD 3 growing more organized
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 20:01 GMT le 22 juillet 2010 +4
Tropical Depression Three is steadily organizing, and appears poised to become a much stronger storm than was forecast. Water vapor satellite loops show that the upper level low to the west of TD 3 that has been bringing high levels of wind shear to the storm is now moving faster to the west than predicted. This faster motion has resulted in a reduction in wind shear over TD 3, to a moderate 10 knots. Satellite images of TD 3 show that the storm is taking advantage of the lower shear by developing several low-level spiral bands to the north and east of the center. However, the center of circulation is still exposed to view, and dry air is still getting injected into the core of the storm from the southwest. The storm's heavy thunderstorms have not increased in intensity this afternoon, and the amount of heavy thunderstorm activity near the core of the storm is still limited. TD 3 will need to build more intense thunderstorms near its center before significant intensification can occur. TD 3 is a small storm, and surface observations in the Bahamas do not show the circulation very well. An outer rain band of TD 3 is now visible on Miami long-range radar, and a flood watch has been issued for all of South Florida. The Hurricane Hunters are in the storm at present, and have found top surface winds of 35 - 40 mph.


Figure 1. Afternoon satellite image of TD 3.

Track Forecast for TD 3
The storm is in a straightforward steering current environment, and TD 3 should progress steadily to the west-northwest through Sunday. This will bring the storm ashore over the Florida Keys or South Florida on Friday, and into the Gulf of Mexico on Saturday. The latest set of model runs from 8am EDT (12Z) foresee a track more to the north than the previous set of model runs. This increases the threat to the oil spill region, and I give a 40% chance that the oil spill region will see tropical storm force winds of 39 mph or higher this weekend. Oil recovery and relief well drilling operations should cease. If TD 3 makes a direct hit on the oil spill region as a tropical storm with 50 - 60 mph winds, it will likely drive a storm surge of 3 - 6 feet with high waves on top into the Louisiana marshlands, fouling a large area with oil. Oil would also penetrate into Lake Pontchartrain, which lies just two feet above sea level. However, the wave action of the storm will dilute the oil to some degree, which may limit the damage to the marshlands.

If you are wondering about the specific probabilities of receiving tropical storm force winds at your location, I recommend the wind probability product from NHC. The latest 5 pm probabilities of various locations getting tropical storm force winds, 39 mph or higher:

Marathon 55%
Marco Island 43%
Miami 34%
New Orleans 33%
Galveston 13%

Intensity Forecast for TD 3
The primary detriment to development of TD 3 for the next three days will be the presence of the large upper-level low to its west. If the low remains in its present location, relative to TD 3, it will bring wind shear of about 10 knots to the storm. This will allow for steady intensification of perhaps 20 mph per day, and TD 3 could be a hurricane by Sunday at that pace. However, if the upper-level low slows down a bit, relative to TD 3, more shear and dry air will affect the storm, potentially weakening it. None of the computer models is calling for TD 3 to strengthen into a hurricane, but if the shear continues at 10 knots, I expect TD 3 will become a hurricane. My low-confidence intensity forecast gives TD 3 a 40% chance of becoming a hurricane. NHC is putting the odds of TD 3 being a hurricane at 2 pm Sunday at 15% with their 5pm advisory.

98L
An area of disturbed weather (98L) has developed in the Gulf of Mexico's Bay of Campeche. This system is under a low amount of shear, 5 - 10 knots, and probably does not have enough time to organize into a tropical depression before making landfall along the Mexican coast a few hundred miles south of the Texas border on Friday.

Resources for the BP oil disaster
Map of oil spill location from the NOAA Satellite Services Division
My post, What a hurricane would do the Deepwater Horizon oil spill
My post on the Southwest Florida "Forbidden Zone" where surface oil will rarely go
My post on what oil might do to a hurricane
NOAA's interactive mapping tool to overlay wind and ocean current forecasts, oil locations, etc.
Gulf Oil Blog from the UGA Department of Marine Sciences
Oil Spill Academic Task Force
University of South Florida Ocean Circulation Group oil spill forecasts
ROFFS Deepwater Horizon page
Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) imagery from the University of Miami

Next update
I'll have an update in the morning. ABC World News Tonight will probably show a sound bite I did for them today, on their 6:30pm broadcast.

Jeff Masters
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401. Orcasystems 21:15 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Inbound run



AOI
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402. Patrap 21:15 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
I tink someone just got Mommed?
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404. jlp09550 21:15 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    


Sorry for the partial jump, that's the GHCC's fault.
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405. HurricaneGeek 21:15 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
I see that its jogged to the N, but really what's impeding another jog to the S?
I just think a jog to the N is just that, a jog. I know a lot of jogs add up, but just like anything else, it's got to be consistent.
I'm not saying yes, it's going N o yes it's going S I'm just want to say, consistency is crucial.
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406. ElConando 21:15 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting P451:
Guessing a minimal TS at landfall at this rate of organization. 45mph?

Just doesn't seem to want to get going much - same problem every system has had this year so far.



In a way yes it is developing quite slow. Unless things change prob have to be tomorrow morning for a TS to be called. Max wind readings were below 35mph. It was just rounded up to 35.
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408. CJ5 21:15 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Heck, had I picked up that this was StormTop, eh, STORMKAT, whatever, I would not have wasted time on him earlier today.

I can now just laugh and look forward to the forecasts from his office as this system progresses..LOL

Quoting hurrkat05:
MY LATEST INFO SHOWS AND ULL TO BE SITUATED RIGHT OFF THE SW COAST OF FLORIDA...THIS ULL AND BONNIE WILL MOVE IN CONJUCTURE BLAH..BLAH..
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409. futuremet 21:15 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
I think it is wise to consider the possibility Reed is pointing out. Some of us here (Hurrkat) did not even expect this system to become a tropical depression.
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410. Patrap 21:15 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
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411. TropicalAnalystwx13 21:16 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting P451:
Guessing a minimal TS at landfall at this rate of organization. 45mph?

Just doesn't seem to want to get going much - same problem every system has had this year so far.



It wont take as long to acquire winds...In fact, when its named, it may already have 45 mph winds.
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412. angiest 21:16 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
373 - Why so serious?
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413. reedzone 21:16 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting Hurricanes101:
Estimated Surface Wind (30 sec. Avg.)
Using Estimated Reduction Factor

34.0 knots (~ 39.1 mph)
Tropical Storm


Thanks for the info.. Seems we will have Bonnie very soon.. The ULL moving at a quick pace, allowing wind shear to really drop over the system.
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414. xcool 21:16 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
43kts FL 45 kts SMFR
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415. seflagamma 21:16 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting Patrap:
I tink someone just got Mommed?



You got that right Pat! And no one can "Mom" better than me! :o)

sometimes the foolishness is just too much...
and I love a good time and all but...
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416. CosmicEvents 21:16 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting reedzone:
Funny thing is guys, TD3 is not getting sheared much, maybe not at all. Wind shear is at 10-15 knots according to the CIMMS shear map. I expect an upgrade in the morning if not tonight. Also the ULL continues to track fast to the west which is allowing TD3 to give in to much more favorable conditions. Unfortunately, I'm thinking a Hurricane is on the way.
Reed, do you ever recall a time when your forecast was LESS agggressive than the NHC forecast?
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417. duprk452 21:16 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Pat, I know you like to keep us updated on the oil spill. My husband drives a tug out of Cocodrie, La which is working for BP right now. They just evacuated the area. All boats are being sent in and are on standby until further notice. The floating city and all of its crew are also doing the same. Looks like the clean up is at a standstill for the moment.
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418. Tazmanian 21:16 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
TD 2 had a good shoot olny if it had a little more time then it would have been the B storm


same gos with 98L wants too have a name or at lest a TD


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419. CybrTeddy 21:17 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting reedzone:


I see no "dry air".. everything's a go for gradual intensification ;)


Reed.. don't quote him.
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420. xcool 21:17 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
210430 2300N 07445W 9875 00181 0080 +238 +214 110041 043 045 017 00
210500 2259N 07446W 9880 00174 0080 +231 +210 111036 038 043 023 00
210530 2258N 07448W 9880 00178 0084 +226 +203 132032 035 046 019 03
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421. Twinkster 21:17 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
I'm not one to usually stare at satellite imagery however looking at visible imagery it is very interesting to see this system moving NW and being N of forecast points.

If this trend continues it is worrying, however, the NHC did say it will resume wnw later this evening. I will not think the track or cone will shift more north and east unless this continues past the 8 advisory
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422. TexasHurricane 21:17 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting HurricaneGeek:
I see that its jogged to the N, but really what's impeding another jog to the S?
I just think a jog to the N is just that, a jog. I know a lot of jogs add up, but just like anything else, it's got to be consistent.
I'm not saying yes, it's going N o yes it's going S I'm just want to say, consistency is crucial.


true, I guess we will see what the next update brings us.
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423. Patrap 21:17 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting duprk452:
Pat, I know you like to keep us updated on the oil spill. My husband drives a tug out of Cocodrie, La which is working for BP right now. They just evacuated the area. All boats are being sent in and are on standby until further notice. The floating city and all of its crew are also doing the same. Looks like the clean up is at a standstill for the moment.


Yeah..the Marine Radio is all about Yakking on the Storm and Track
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424. Hurricanes101 21:17 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
42.9 knots (~ 49.3 mph)
Tropical Storm
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426. tea3781 21:17 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
42.9 knots (~ 49.3 mph)
Tropical Storm
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427. hydrus 21:18 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting P451:
Guessing a minimal TS at landfall at this rate of organization. 45mph?

Just doesn't seem to want to get going much - same problem every system has had this year so far.

I see what you mean. Now that the ULL is moving away faster, it looks like T.D.3 is getting dragged along with it and being sheared in that direction during the process.
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428. MiamiHurricanes09 21:18 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Recon finding TS winds...again. If we can get a vortex message indicating that winds are above 40mph a TS at 8PM EDT is likely.
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429. vortextrance 21:18 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting stormhank:
Is the Florida Panhandle off the hook so to speak?? I noticed a slight right shift in the models since this morning?? any input appreciated...Thanks


No. Anywhere along the northern gulf coast is in play.
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430. earthlydragonfly 21:18 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting angiest:


ECWMF is doing something similar now.


Also the last frame hr 126 of the HWRF close up of the td3 is also showing something.
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431. Patrap 21:18 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting seflagamma:



You got that right Pat! And no one can "Mom" better than me! :o)

sometimes the foolishness is just too much...
and I love a good time and all but...


Mom-caster.

Itsa good thang Gamma.

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432. xcool 21:18 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
TS


210430 2300N 07445W 9875 00181 0080 +238 +214 110041 043 045 017 00
210500 2259N 07446W 9880 00174 0080 +231 +210 111036 038 043 023 00
210530 2258N 07448W 9880 00178 0084 +226 +203 132032 035 046 019 03
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433. CybrTeddy 21:18 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Flight level winds..
43 knots
(~ 49.4 mph)

SFMR
45 knots
(~ 51.7 mph)

Flight level winds reduced..
42.9 knots (~ 49.3 mph)
Tropical Storm

Probably a 40 mph TS.
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434. Squid28 21:19 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Blog related question on ignoring individuals...

I have my filter set for show average on comments. Sometimes an individual who is below average, I want to hide them just because of never ending comments eating up huge amounts of screen.

When I expand the comment I do not see the quote or ignore user feature (but other times it is right their). Is anyone else seeing this issue?

Example post #354 (nothing) vs. 414 (ignore available)
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435. BenBIogger 21:19 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting reedzone:


I see no "dry air".. everything's a go for gradual intensification ;)


Some dry air at the mid-levels. but I expect a Good D-max for TD3 tonight or early morning.
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436. TropicalNonsense 21:19 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
if TD3/Bonnie strengthens she will move in a more W/WNW as she
approaches the coast and the center should stay off the coast.

If she continues to remain weak the steering pattern may
tend further NORTHWEST which may increase the chances for
more of a Florida impact.

I am pretty sure this is the NHC's forecast thinking.

watch for a more W-WNW movement in the next 8
hours or so.
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437. ElConando 21:19 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Recon finding TS winds...again. If we can get a vortex message indicating that winds are above 40mph a TS at 8PM EDT is likely.


Winds are a bit higher so it MAY get somewhere in the ballpark of 37-38 mph. If its higher than 37.5 they may upgrade.
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438. reedzone 21:20 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting CosmicEvents:
Reed, do you ever recall a time when your forecast was LESS agggressive than the NHC forecast?


TD2 of this year.. heck what a joke that was, but it happened. I'm not saying it will in no doubt be a Hurricane, I can't because things can change. Conditions are favorable for a bit more intensification then what was previously thought.
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440. TOMSEFLA 21:20 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting CybrTeddy:
Flight level winds..
43 knots
(~ 49.4 mph)

SFMR
45 knots
(~ 51.7 mph)

Flight level winds reduced..
42.9 knots (~ 49.3 mph)
Tropical Storm

Probably a 40 mph TS.
will get the lowest pressure in next recon report
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441. BenBIogger 21:20 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting CybrTeddy:
Flight level winds..
43 knots
(~ 49.4 mph)

SFMR
45 knots
(~ 51.7 mph)

Flight level winds reduced..
42.9 knots (~ 49.3 mph)
Tropical Storm

Probably a 40 mph TS.


Agree.
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442. Babsjohnson 21:20 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting atmoaggie:

Shame that HyCOM doesn't fully include the Lake. With a stout east wind, the Lake water surface tilts and draws in a bunch of the MS sound. But HyCOM, at least in this graphic, isn't capable of modeling that.





When and if the oil hits brackish water does it act differently?
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443. tropicfreak 21:21 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting hurrkat05:
well cast it aside i said and ill say it again the dry air is pouring in to the sw side of the tropical depression and if it's not named bonnie at 11pm it won't be...also the ull off the coast of sw fla will keep bonnie if she is named from becoming a hurricane as it approaches the la coast on sunday night...


ma'am please listen to the experts, the ULL is pulling away therefore meaning, low shear, less dry air, and gradual strengthening.
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444. MiamiHurricanes09 21:21 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Uncontaminated SFMR reading of 52mph (45 knots).

210430 2300N 07445W 9875 00181 0080 238 214 110041 043 045 017 00
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445. earthlydragonfly 21:21 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting hurrkat05:
lol tx yougoing to eat a lot of crow and better yet when STORM W mentions this ull over sw fla you maty believe him...i can see you dont know how to read weather charts..


That goes along with typing in English huh??? oooops
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446. tropicfreak 21:22 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting CJ5:
Heck, had I picked up that this was StormTop, eh, STORMKAT, whatever, I would not have wasted time on him earlier today.

I can now just laugh and look forward to the forecasts from his office as this system progresses..LOL



Thats what I was trying to say.
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447. reedzone 21:22 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting BenBIogger:


Some dry air at the mid-levels. but I expect a Good D-max for TD3 tonight or early morning.


Hurrikat meant like chocking dry air.. there is some very light dry air in the mid levels. I agree, a good DMAX can get this going.
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448. WatchingThisOne 21:22 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting Grothar:
DISCUSSION AND 48-HOUR OUTLOOK
------------------------------
AT 500 PM EDT...2100 UTC...THE CENTER OF TROPICAL DEPRESSION THREE
WAS LOCATED NEAR LATITUDE 22.7 NORTH...LONGITUDE 75.4 WEST. THE
DEPRESSION HAS BEEN MOVING TOWARD THE NORTHWEST NEAR 14 MPH...22
KM/HR. A TURN TO THE WEST-NORTHWEST WITH AN INCREASE IN FORWARD
SPEED IS EXPECTED TONIGHT AND FRIDAY.

DATA FROM A RECONNAISSANCE PLANE INDICATE THAT THE DEPRESSION HAS
NOT STRENGTHENED. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS REMAIN NEAR 35 MPH...55
KM/HR...WITH HIGHER GUSTS. SOME STRENGTHENING IS POSSIBLE AND THE
DEPRESSION COULD BECOME A TROPICAL STORM TONIGHT OR FRIDAY.

THE MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE REPORTED BY AN AIR FORCE RECONNAISSANCE
PLANE WAS 1006 MB...29.71 INCHES.



Forward speed may be slowing. The HH found the center of TD3 25 miles SE of the position stated in this 5 pm, 20 minutes later at 5:20 pm Eastern.
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449. CybrTeddy 21:22 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Flight level winds do support TS status..
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450. CALMbeforetheSTORM 21:22 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
TD03/Bonnie is about to enter warmer and deeper waters shortly. This coupled with the ULL's rather quick exit stage left may give the system its best chance at organization. Wouldn't be surprised to see at 50 MPH storm at 11 tonight.

Also, an important thing to note is the angle at which the storm is approaching the southernmost tip of Florida. Any deviation from forecast track, even a few miles, may be the difference between a landfall on the mainland and in the keys.
451. MiamiHurricanes09 21:23 GMT le 22 juillet 2010    
Quoting CybrTeddy:
Flight level winds do support TS status..
So do SFMR winds.
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