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Storms of My Grandchildren by Dr. James Hansen
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 23:34 GMT le 26 juillet 2010 +9
"Storms of My Grandchildren: The Truth About the Coming Climate Catastrophe and Our Last Chance to Save Humanity" is NASA climate change scientist Dr. James Hansen's first book. Dr. Hansen is arguably the most visible and well-respected climate change scientist in the world, and has headed the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York City since 1981. He is also an adjunct professor in the Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences at Columbia University. Dr. Hansen greatly raised awareness of the threat of global warming during his Congressional testimony during the record hot summer of 1988, and issued one of the first-ever climate model predictions of global warming (see an analysis here to see how his 1988 prediction did.) In 2009, Dr. Hansen was awarded the Carl-Gustaf Rossby Research Medal, the highest honor bestowed by the American Meteorological Society, for his "outstanding contributions to climate modeling, understanding climate change forcings and sensitivity, and for clear communication of climate science in the public arena."

Storms of My Grandchildren focuses on the key concepts of the science of climate change, told through Hansen's personal experiences as a key player in field's scientific advancements and political dramas over the past 40 years. Dr. Hansen's writing style is very straight-forward and understandable, and he clearly explains the scientific concepts involved in a friendly way that anyone with a high school level science education can understand. I did not find any scientific errors in his book. However, some of his explanations are too long-winded, and the book is probably too long, at 274 pages. Nevertheless, Storms of My Grandchildren is a must-read, due to the importance of the subject matter and who is writing it. Hansen is not a fancy writer. He comes across as a plain Iowan who happened to stumble into the field of climate change and discovered things he had to speak out about. And he does plenty of speaking out in his book.

James Hansen vs. Richard Lindzen
Dr. Hansen's book opens with an interesting chapter on his participation in four meetings of Vice President Dick Cheney's cabinet-level Climate Task Force in 2001. It seems that the Bush Administration was prepared to let Dr. Hansen's views on climate change influence policy. However, Dr. Richard Lindzen, whom Hansen describes as "the dean of of global warming contrarians", was also present at the meetings. Dr.Lindzen was able to confuse the task force members enough so that they never took Dr. Hansen's views seriously. Hansen observes that "U.S. policies regarding carbon dioxide during the Bush-Cheney administration seem to have been based on, or at a minimum, congruent with, Lindzen's perspective." Hansen asserts that Lindzen was able to do this by acting more like a lawyer than a scientist: "He and other contrarians tend to act like lawyers defending a client, presenting only arguments that favor their client. This is in direct contradiction to...the scientific method." Hansen also comments that he asked Lindzen what he thought of the link between smoking and cancer, since Lindzen had been a witness for the tobacco industry decades earlier. Lindzen "began rattling off all the problems with the data relating smoking to health problems, which was closely analogous to his views of climate data."

Alarmism
Global warming contrarians often dismiss scientists such a Dr. Hansen as "alarmists" who concoct fearsome stories about climate change in order to get research funding. Dr. Lindzen made this accusation at Cheney's Climate Task Force in 2001. However, Dr. Hansen notes that "in 1981 I lost funding for research on the climate effects of carbon dioxide because the Energy Department was displeased with a paper, 'Climate Impact of Increasing Carbon Dioxide,' I had published in Science magazine. The paper made a number of predictions for the 21st century, including 'opening of the fabled Northwest Passage', which the Energy Department considered to be alarmist but which have since proven to be accurate." If you read Dr. Hansen's book and listen to his lectures, it is clear that he is not an alarmist out to get more research funding by hyping the dangers of global warming. Hansen says in his book that "my basic nature nature is very placid, even comfortably stolid", and that nature comes through very clearly in Storms of My Grandchildren. Hansen's writings express a quiet determination to plainly set forth the scientific truth on climate change. He has surprisingly few angry words towards the politicians, lobbyists, and scientists intent on distorting the scientific truth.

The science of climate change
The bulk of Storms of My Grandchildren is devoted to explanations of the science of climate change. Hansen's greatest concern is disintegration of the gerat ice sheets in Greenland and West Antarctica causing sea level rise: "Once the ice sheets begin to rapidly disintegrate, sea level would be continuously changing for centuries. Coastal cities would become impractical to maintain." Hansen is concerned that evidence from past climate periods show that the massive ice sheets that cover Greenland and Antarctica can melt quickly, with large changes within a century. For example, sea level at the end of the most recent Ice Age, 13,000 - 14,000 years ago, rose at a rate of 3 - 5 meters (10 - 17 feet) per century for several centuries. Hansen is convinced that just a 1.7 -2°C warming, which would likely result if we stabilize CO2 at 450 ppm, would be a "disaster scenario" that would trigger rapid disintegration of the ice sheets and disastrous rises in sea level. Hansen advocates stabilizing CO2 at 350 ppm (we are currently at 390 ppm, with a rate of increase of 2 ppm per year.)

Another of Hansen's main concerns is the extinction of species. He notes that studies of more than 1,000 species of plants, animals, and insects have found an average migration rate towards the poles due to climate warming in the last half of the 20th century to be four miles per decade. "That is not fast enough. During the past thirty years the lines marking the regions in which a given average temperature prevails (isotherms) have been moving poleward at a rate of about thirty-five miles per decade. If greenhouse gases continue to increase at business-as-usual rates, then the rate of isotherm movement will double in this century to at least seventy miles per decade."

Hansen's other main concern is the release of large amounts of methane gas stored in sea-floor sediments in the form of methane hydrates. If ocean temperatures warm according to predictions, the higher temperatures at the sea floor may be enough to destabilize the methane hydrate sediments and release huge quantities of methane into the atmosphere. Methane is a greenhouse gas 20 - 25 times more potent than carbon dioxide.

Solutions to the climate change problem
Dr. Hansen is a controversial figure, since he has stepped outside his field of expertise and become an activist in promoting solutions to the climate change problem. He devotes a chapter called "An Honest, Effective Path" in the book to this. His main theme is that we need to tax fossil fuels using a "fee-and-dividend" approach. All of the tax money collected would be distributed uniformly to the public. This carbon tax would gradually rise, giving people time to adjust their lifestyle, choice of vehicle, home insulation, etc. Those who do better at reducing their fossil fuel use will receive more in the dividend than they will pay in the added costs of the products they buy. The approach is straightforward and does not require a large bureaucracy, but currently has little political support. Hansen is vehemently opposed to the approach that has the most political support, "Cap-and-trade": "Cap-and-trade is what governments and the people in alligator shoes (the lobbyists for special interests) are trying to foist on you. Whoops. As an objective scientist I should delete such personal opinions, to at least flag them. But I am sixty-eight years old, and I am fed up with the way things work in Washington." Hansen also promotes an overlooked type of nuclear power, "fast" reactors with liquid metal coolant that produce far less nuclear waste and are much more efficient than conventional nuclear reactors.

Quotes from the book
"Humanity treads today on a slippery slope. As we continue to pump greenhouse gases into the air, we move onto a steeper, even more slippery incline. We seem oblivious to the danger--unaware how close we may be to a situation in which a catastrophic slip becomes practically unavoidable, a slip where we suddenly lose all control and are pulled into a torrential stream that hurls us over a precipice to our demise."

"In order for a democracy to function well, the public needs to be honestly informed. But the undue influence of special interests and government greenwash pose formidable barriers to a well-informed public. Without a well-informed public, humanity itself and all species on the planet are threatened."

"Of course by 2005 I was well aware that the NASA Office of Public Affairs had become an office of propaganda. In 2004, I learned that NASA press releases related to global warming were sent to the White House, where they were edited to appear less serious or discarded entirely."

"If we let special interests rule, my grandchildren and yours will pay the price."

"The role of money in our capitals is the biggest problem for democracy and for the planet."

"The problem with asking people to pledge to reduce their fossil fuel use is that even if lots of people do, one effect is reduced demand for fossil fuel and thus a lower price--making it easier for someone else to burn...it is necessary for people to reduce their emissions, but it is not sufficient if the government does not adopt policies that cause much of the fossil fuels to be left in the ground permanently."

"I have argued that it is time to 'draw a line in the sand' and demand no new coal plants."

"The present situation is analogous to that faced by Lincoln with slavery and Churchill with Nazism--the time for compromises and appeasement is over."

"Humans are beginning to hammer the climate system with a forcing more than an order of magnitude more powerful than the forcings that nature employed."

"Once ice sheet disintegration begins in earnest, our grandchildren will live the rest of their lives in a chaotic transition period."

"After the ice is gone, would Earth proceed to the Venus syndrome, a runaway greenhouse effect that would destroy all life on the planet, perhaps permanently? While that is difficult to say based on present information, I've come to conclude that if we burn all reserves of oil, gas, and coal, there is a substantial chance we will initiate the runaway greenhouse. If we also burn the tar sands and tar shale, I believe the Venus syndrome is a dead certainty."

"One suggestion I have for now: Support Bill McKibben and his organization 350.org. It is the most effective and responsible leadership in the public struggle for climate justice."

Commentary
James Hansen understands the Earth's climate as well as any person alive, and his concern about where our climate is headed makes Storms of My Grandchildren a must-read for everyone who cares about the world their grandchildren will inherit. Storms of My Grandchildren retails for $16.50 at Amazon.com. Dr. Hansen's web site is http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/.

Jeff Masters
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1451. Floodman 16:22 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
Quoting SAINTHURRIFAN:
folks jf is a troll he only comes on here and posts when gw topic is posted.He is like stormtop he is here to antagonize, and be complete opposite.My dear mother always said instead of arguing with them or taking thier abuse simply just tell them i will pray for you.And maybe masters gets a rise at posting this crap just to see the arguments it will cause lol.If he does it works.


You know, people that say stuff like this confuse me...if you dislike his opinions so much, why do you keep reading them? I mean, don't get me wrong, I disagree with the doc from time to time but at least I recognize the fact that entries like this one are a reflection of his beliefs and opinions based on the science...Crap? Really?
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1453. angiest 16:24 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
You would think that those disturbances would like global warming...but then again the comments were written on WU...everything on WU is overdone and scary when talking about GW...


I'll take a contrary position. Global warming would lead to fewer tropical cyclones.


Chew on that one for awhile.


:D
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1454. Goldenblack 16:24 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
True enough Storm...true enough..facts it is

Quoting StormW:


Thanks...but it's more like fact. Ya can't change the facts, but ya can make statistics say whatever ya want.
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1455. WeatherNerdPR 16:24 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
Quoting StormW:
TROPICAL WEATHER SYNOPSIS JULY 27, 2010 ISSUED 12:05 P.M.

Thanks Storm! I forgot about the African easterly waves.
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1456. CJ5 16:25 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
Quoting Patrap:
Its the intellectual lazy that concern me the most.

When you give up your thinkage for a party Line of Insanity.

Then insanity rules..


were seeing that inversely today as they come out the woodwork like Munchkins after the House landed.


Again, you seem to be the one holding a party line. I asked you to produce something in favor of your postion that has not be scientifically questioned. am still waiting.

Your condecension makes for good fodder with your like minded peeps but it really doesn't add to the dicussion.
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1457. MiamiHurricanes09 16:25 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
Quoting angiest:


I'll take a contrary position. Global warming would lead to fewer tropical cyclones.


Chew on that one for awhile.


:D
LOL. Ok...wouldn't warming help a system (warmer SSTs)?
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1458. angiest 16:25 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
Quoting StormW:


Thanks...but it's more like fact. Ya can't change the facts, but ya can make statistics say whatever ya want.


"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." attributed to many. Real author unknown.
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1459. Bayside 16:25 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
I bet Dr. Masters is laughing his butt off right about now after posting this. Well played sir, well played!
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1460. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 16:25 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    

NMFC Norfolk Tropical Feed
No Active Tropical Warnings in the Atlantic, Caribbean, or Gulf of Mexico
By Maritime.CDO@navy.mil (NMFC CDO) from Naval Maritime Forecast Center Norfolk Virginia. Published on .

As of Tue 27 Jul 2010 16:00:01Z


2010 Storms
All Active Year


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East Pacific

Central Pacific

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Indian Ocean

Southern Hemisphere
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1461. SouthParkTimmy 16:26 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
Very interesting article. I just wanted to add my 2 cents here and then I'll be quiet. Is Global Warming happening?? Yes, without question it is. Is it all because of mankind? I would have to say emphatically NO. Look at the Greenland and Antarctic ice cores folks. We are almost exactly where we should be. Are we helping to exacorbate warming? Yes, I believe we are. We need to find alternative power supplies. If you read geologic history, the time period we are in now is called an 'interglacial' period. It's called that for a reason folks. We are in a small warm period in between ice ages. Thats just how it works. It's been doing this for hundreds of thousands of years.
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1462. angiest 16:26 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
LOL. Ok...wouldn't warming help a system (warmer SSTs)?


What area(s) of earth are likely to warm the most and fastest?
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1464. Hurricanes12 16:27 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
I think that JFLorida or whatever his name is should start his own personal blog. There, he can bring along his peers (and people who don't agree) with him and they can talk all day about this lovely issue! Anyone agree?
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1467. sailingallover 16:27 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
Quoting StormW:


Still gonna need oil.
YEP..
Well kind of actually most plastics. fuels etc have biological substitutes but it's so energy cost inefficient as to make it currently impractical..
I remember working with a scientist at VA Tech who made plastic from the steam explosion of wood chips that extracted the cellulouse and lignin. Oil is a product of organic matter and energy. It is just a matter of replicating that.
I did calulate one time if we covered the entire island of Hispanola with African Oil palms we could produce enough biofuel to supply the US with car fuel..start with the assumption of 700Gal per acre per year..
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1469. MiamiHurricanes09 16:28 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
This disturbance is drifting off towards the SSW, might bring a rainy and gusty day to Florida if it doesn't stall and rush off towards the east.

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1471. PensacolaDoug 16:29 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
Let it go, PD; try to twist and warp what I said into something else if you wish,


Now Nea...What exactly did I "twist and warp"?
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1472. MiamiHurricanes09 16:29 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
Quoting angiest:


What area(s) of earth are likely to warm the most and fastest?
Glaciers?
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1473. muddertracker 16:30 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
"Peer reviewed" articles are only as good as the "peers" who review them...
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1476. Orcasystems 16:31 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
Quoting Hurricanes12:
I think that JFLorida or whatever his name is should start his own personal blog. There, he can bring along his peers (and people who don't agree) with him and they can talk all day about this lovely issue! Anyone agree?


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1477. greentortuloni 16:31 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
Quoting sailingallover:

Ok wanna buy a solar energy system for your house? I am in the business solar panels st Thomas.
Initial cost installed is about $5 Watt.
Depending on where you live you will get between 2-5 Watt Hours per day out of it.
Lets say 3.
So for you to get a Kilo Watt Hour will take about a year.
If you are paying $.10 per KWH it will take 50 years to pay for itself.
The Fed Gov gives you a 30% tax credit so everyone can pays for $2 per watt of your system but wait we ALL need systems so where does everyone get the $2 per Watt?
You need about 10KW of panels to run your house assuming 30KWH per day usage( go look at your electric bill) so about $50,0000 dollars...
Ready to stop burning oil now? Tax CO2 emmisions and use the money to pay for solar?




SO how does it work then? I see solar panels going up all over the place both the water ehating and the electric kind. I see private windmills and so on. The government subsidy may help but surely it isn't enough to make them pay off. So how does your business work? (I'm genuinely curious, not trying to argue.)
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1478. MiamiHurricanes09 16:32 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
Note the low level outflow (arc clouds) in the southern quadrant. First person to tell me what this means gets a cyber-cookie.

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1479. CybrTeddy 16:32 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
Quoting FLdewey:
It's where I keep all my things. Get a lot of compliments on this. Plus it's not a purse, it's called a satchel. Indiana Jones wears one.


Heh.. someone's been watching a certain movie have they?
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1481. CybrTeddy 16:32 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Note the low level outflow (arc clouds) in the southern quadrant. First person to tell me what this means gets a cyber-cookie.



Collapsing thunderstorms.
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1482. SomeRandomTexan 16:32 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
473. muddertracker 4:30 PM GMT on July 27, 2010
"Peer reviewed" articles are only as good as the "peers" who review them...and yes, we do have access to "peer reviewed" articles in Texas :)


HAHAHA!!!! I forgot to respond to that one...

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1483. muddertracker 16:33 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Note the low level outflow (arc clouds) in the southern quadrant. First person to tell me what this means gets a cyber-cookie.

tail end of a front? (guess)
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1484. MiamiHurricanes09 16:33 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
Quoting CybrTeddy:


Collapsing thunderstorms.
Correct! CybrTeddy winds a CybrCookie! Sorry I can't post one, got banned last time for doing so.
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1485. angiest 16:34 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Glaciers?


My understanding, and it would seem to make sense, is that the poles (followed by the temperate latitudes) would feel effects of warming climate first (regardless of the cause). Tropical cyclones ultimately serve to move excess heat out of the tropics to more temperate locations, correct? So if the temperature gradient between the tropics and the temperate and polar latitudes was less, would the atmospheric conditions necessary for tropical cyclones be present?
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1487. unf97 16:35 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
This disturbance is drifting off towards the SSW, might bring a rainy and gusty day to Florida if it doesn't stall and rush off towards the east.



Everytime I see scenarios like the tail end of frontal boundries or large deep layered troughs in the SW Atlantic, I always think back on the unique Subtropical Storm Andrea in 2007. Andrea was the first named system of that particular season, and it developed off the Mid-Atlantic coast at first, drifted SE for a while, then drifted W-SW before it stalled about 100-150 miles off the NE FL coast. Andrea finally accelerated E-Ne out to sea afterwards, but it caused considerable beach erosion all along the SE Atlantic coast. That was an intersting system being that it formed in early May that year.
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1488. greentortuloni 16:35 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
Quoting sailingallover:
YEP..
Well kind of actually most plastics. fuels etc have biological substitutes but it's so energy cost inefficient as to make it currently impractical..
I remember working with a scientist at VA Tech who made plastic from the steam explosion of wood chips that extracted the cellulouse and lignin. Oil is a product of organic matter and energy. It is just a matter of replicating that.
I did calulate one time if we covered the entire island of Hispanola with African Oil palms we could produce enough biofuel to supply the US with car fuel..start with the assumption of 700Gal per acre per year..


I knew it! All along I'ìve been saying that Hispanola had weapons of mass distruction and no body listened to me, probably had me on ignore!
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1489. PensacolaDoug 16:35 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Note the low level outflow (arc clouds) in the southern quadrant. First person to tell me what this means gets a cyber-cookie.



Means it got a looonnggg way to go .....
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1490. 7544 16:36 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
island wave is firing some nice convection at this hour if it holds we can see a new invest in 24 anyone agree

congrades on your cookie lol
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1492. hcubed 16:37 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
Well, after reading all the quotes from the "respected" Dr Hansen, let me add one more quote of his:

"Coal will determine whether we continue to increase climate change or slow the human impact. Increased fossil fuel CO2 in the air today, compared to the pre-industrial atmosphere, is due 50% to coal, 35% to oil and 15% to gas. As oil resources peak, coal will determine future CO2 levels. Recently, after giving a high school commencement talk in my hometown, Denison, Iowa, I drove from Denison to Dunlap, where my parents are buried. For most of 20 miles there were trains parked, engine to caboose, half of the cars being filled with coal. If we cannot stop the building of more coal-fired power plants, those coal trains will be death trains no less gruesome than if they were boxcars headed to crematoria, loaded with uncountable irreplaceable species."
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1493. MiamiHurricanes09 16:37 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
Quoting muddertracker:
tail end of a front? (guess)
Nope, it means that thunderstorms are collapsing. Gimme a second and I'll give you a longer explanation.
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1494. PensacolaDoug 16:39 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
If we cannot stop the building of more coal-fired power plants, those coal trains will be death trains � no less gruesome than if they were boxcars headed to crematoria, loaded with uncountable irreplaceable species."


More fear-mongering..
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1495. unf97 16:39 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Note the low level outflow (arc clouds) in the southern quadrant. First person to tell me what this means gets a cyber-cookie.



Outflow boundry.
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1496. muddertracker 16:39 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Nope, it means that thunderstorms are collapsing. Gimme a second and I'll give you a longer explanation.
Cool, thanks, always happy to learn :)
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1497. CybrTeddy 16:39 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
Quoting PensacolaDoug:


Means it got a looonnggg way to go .....


Yep, its going to be interesting to watch however. I will be interested if it can take advantage of the semi-favorable conditions and attempt to get a warm-core. Its over the Gulf Stream, so that might help it some. I don't really expect development out of this system, because there is so much for it to do and absolutely no model support whatsoever. However, I have eyes on the wave emerging off Africa currently. That will be by the Caribbean in 240 hours and take a guess what yesterdays 12z and this morning's 00z ECMWF shows by the Caribbean at 240 hours?
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1498. Michale 16:39 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
I like this video.




So THAT's what hundreds of billions of dollars went to...

Think how many houses that money would equip with solar power...

But I guess it's more important to make Gore, Branson, hack scientists, lobbyists, lawyers and PR firms richer than it is to actually do something that will help the planet..

:^/

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1499. NttyGrtty 16:39 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
Quoting StormW:
We are guests here.

I guest at something once...got it wrong though.
Senior! You're inner smarta$$ is escaping today...well done!
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1500. cg2916 16:40 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
Hey guys! You know that disturbance off the Carolinas? I got that yesterday. Pebble-sized hail, heavy winds. And rain so thick I couldn't see my neighbor's house. I just went outside. Two big trees and one little tree fell, branches and leaves everywhere, and two branches (don't ask me how) stuck 3 inches in the ground standing upright.
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1501. MiamiHurricanes09 16:40 GMT le 27 juillet 2010    
Quoting unf97:


Everytime I see scenarios like the tail end of frontal boundries or large deep layered torughs in the SW Atlantic, I always think back on the unique Subtropical Storm Andrea in 2007. Andrea was the first named system of that particular season, and it developed off the Mid-Atlantic coast at first, drifted SE for a while, then drifted W-SW before it stalled about 100-150 miles off the NE FL coast.
Yep, me too. Andrea however was subtropical, at this time of the year we have much warmer SSTs (especially along the Gulf stream) to support a fully tropical warm core system. Will definitely be interesting if this lil' guy makes an attempt to develop.
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