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Tropical Depression Five a heavy rain threat; the smoke clears in Moscow
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 15:23 GMT le 11 août 2010 +1
Tropical Depression Five is currently weak and disorganized, but it has the potential to organize into a potent rain-maker that may bring extremely heavy rains to Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia over the next four days. Outer rain bands from TD 5 are already affecting the New Orleans region, where as much as two inches of rain has fallen in isolated regions. TD 5 has only limited heavy thunderstorm activity at present, thanks to an infusion of dry air early this morning from an upper-level low pressure system over the Gulf of Mexico. However, TD 5 is steadily recovering from this blow, and water vapor imagery shows the atmosphere is moistening in the eastern Gulf of Mexico as TD 5 builds more heavy thunderstorms. Wind shear is currently a moderate 10 - 15 knots over TD 5, and water temperatures are very warm, 31°C. The Hurricane Hunters have left TD 5, and a new aircraft is scheduled to arrive this afternoon.


Figure 1. Morning radar image of TD Five from the New Orleans radar.

Forecast for TD 5
The latest SHIPS model forecast predicts that wind shear will drop to the low range, 5 - 10 knots, by tonight, and remain low for the remainder of TD 5's life. The main hindrance to development will be the current large, disorganized nature of the storm's circulation. Without a tight, well-defined center of circulation, it will take time for the storm to intensify, and I don't expect TD 5 will have time to become more than a 50 mph tropical storm. NHC is giving TD 5 just a 2% chance of reaching hurricane strength. The main threat from TD 5 will be rainfall. This is a slow-moving storm, and the steering currents pushing the storm towards the coast are expected to weaken Thursday and Friday. TD 5 will likely slow to a crawl on Thursday and Friday, moving at just 3 - 5 mph. This will allow the storm to dump very heavy rains in excess of eight inches in isolated regions.

93L
There is not much new to report on the tropical wave (Invest 93) in the middle Atlantic Ocean that has been close to tropical depression status for three days now. The disturbance has a well-defined surface circulation, but only a limited amount of heavy thunderstorm activity, thanks to dry air aloft and wind shear of 10 - 20 knots. Wind shear is expected to stay in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next three days, which is low enough that 93L could become a tropical depression at any time during that period. NHC is giving 93L a 70% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Friday morning. The GFS, GFDL, and HWRF models predict 93L will develop, and the GFDL forecasts that the storm will become a hurricane. A strong trough of low pressure moving across the central Atlantic is recurving 93L to the north, and the system should only be a concern to shipping interests. None of the reliable computer models are forecasting tropical cyclone development in the Atlantic over the next seven days, other than for 93L.

Moscow's air clears, but it is still extraordinarily hot
A thunderstorm blew through Moscow early this morning, bringing a little rain and a very welcome shift of wind direction. The wind shift freed the city from the persistent wild fire smoke that had plagued the city for seven straight days. Temperatures at Moscow's Domodedovo airport hit 35°C (95°F) today, the 29th day in row that temperatures have exceeded 30°C (86°F) in Moscow. The average high temperature for August 11 is 21°C (69°F). Moscow's high temperatures have averaged 15°C (27°F) above average for the first eleven days of August--a truly extraordinary anomaly. There is some modest relief in sight--the latest forecast for Moscow calls for high temperatures of 30 - 31° (86 - 88°F) Thursday through Sunday. This is still 20°F above normal, but will be a welcome change from the extreme heat of the past two weeks. Long range forecasts from the ECMWF and GFS models show no major change to the ridge of high pressure locked in over Russia, for at least the next seven days. However, both models suggest that a trough of low pressure may be able to erode the ridge significantly 8 - 10 days from now, bringing cooler temperatures of 5°C (8°F) above average.

Next update
I'll have an update this afternoon between 3 - 4 pm EDT.

Jeff Masters
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451. CybrTeddy 17:49 GMT le 11 août 2010    
Thought the latest run of the CMC was interesting, shows a fish trough split in 102 hours. ECMWF also shows something similar, but keeps it attached to the front.
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452. tkeith 17:49 GMT le 11 août 2010    
Quoting fallinstorms:
they are probley seeding the storms
I knew it!
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453. reedzone 17:49 GMT le 11 août 2010    
Quoting Levi32:


Probably more rain, but unless this winds up in a hurry near the coast it shouldn't be too bad really, just another rainstorm. I still don't see it getting past a low-end TS at best.


Or could just be a disturbance as the NHC puts it. We'll see what happens, looking at the last few frames, it's *trying* to get organized, the bands to the southeast, convection turning more towards the COC on the Gulf Coast.. From what I can see that is.
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454. VAbeachhurricanes 17:50 GMT le 11 août 2010    
Quoting reedzone:


Get the popcorn/soda out, here comes the RIPS! ;)


yeah, from the NHC, such downcasters...
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455. Patrap 17:51 GMT le 11 août 2010    
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456. Minnemike 17:51 GMT le 11 août 2010    
Quoting Levi32:


Probably more rain, but unless this winds up in a hurry near the coast it shouldn't be too bad really, just another rainstorm. I still don't see it getting past a low-end TS at best.

agreed.. i'm watching this very closely and keeping up with all the input, since my expecting wife is in Lafayette for a conference. she experienced an earthquake in Ottawa on her last trip, and i don't want her to go through a tropical cyclone on this one!! we're minnesotan and typically experience neither. i also agree with the Fujiwara effect statement some posts back Levi. i'm seeing less chance for a relocating center vs. just winding up on itself slowly.

so thanks for everyone's posting on this, and i hope to continue to report good news to her.
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459. Jebekarue 17:52 GMT le 11 août 2010    
thanks Mossyhead, I had read early someone was talking about a poss loopdeloop, but wasn't expecting it to be in the forecast...if you look at the forecast for Pcola on wunderground it only has ts warning until friday..so I wasn't expecting it.
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460. Kristina40 17:53 GMT le 11 août 2010    
Oh my, I really need to adjust my tinfoil hat before coming here.
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461. Levi32 17:53 GMT le 11 août 2010    
Quoting dolphin13:


Excellent job, Levi! Thanks for your input:)


Thanks :)
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465. Patrap 17:54 GMT le 11 août 2010    
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467. clwstmchasr 17:55 GMT le 11 août 2010    

Quoting Jeff9641:
Wind from the E (080 degrees) at 14 MPH (12 KT) gusting to 20 MPH (17 KT)
Visibility 1 mile(s)
Sky conditions overcast
Weather Heavy rain with thunder
Mist

Cumulonimbus clouds, lightning observed
Precipitation last hour 1.36 inches
Temperature 78 F (26 C)
Dew Point 75 F (24 C)
Relative Humidity 88%
Pressure (altimeter) 30 in. Hg (1015 hPa)
ob KDAB 111750Z 08012G17KT 1SM TSRA BR BKN003 BKN015 OVC024CB 26/24 A3000 RMK AO2 PK WND 24027/1732 WSHFT 1726 TSB37RAB1654 OCNL LTGICCG ALQDS TS ALQDS MOV N CB ALQDS MOV N P0136

Looks like a typical Florida afternoon thunderstorm.
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468. HurricaneKyle 17:55 GMT le 11 août 2010    
Looks highly unlikely now that TD5 will become Danielle, I expect a downgrade to a trough of low pressure at 5 or 11 pm, maybe later. I saw pointed out that the GFS is developing a tropical wave next week at about 108 hours out earlier so thats something we will have to watch as time goes on. what I also found interesting is what levi pointed out in his video (great video btw Levi) that some models such as the GFS is showing TD5 looping around and re-emerging into the Gulf under a ridge and strengthens it over very warm SSTs. That's also something we will have to watch in the next 7 to 8 days. I also see the CMC is trying to show a system developing off another trough split at 100 hours or so, but I take it with a grain of salt until more models come on board. Overall, things look pretty quiet over the next several days but we will have to watch those 3 areas.
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469. southernstorm 17:56 GMT le 11 août 2010    
Quoting Patrap:
A Roast Beef Po-boy,dressed,with xtra-gravy automatically demands 2 Root beers and 11 Napkins,..no, make dat 12 now.


lol
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470. tkeith 17:56 GMT le 11 août 2010    
466. fallinstorms

Just dont send this info to WikiLeaks...
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471. BahaHurican 17:56 GMT le 11 août 2010    
Quoting SeniorPoppy:


The conditions might be coming together but it does not mean that a well-above average season "in reality" will occur.
This is a moot argument at this point in time. Both sides have stated cases; now only time can be the judge of who is right. Might as well let it rest right there.

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472. weathermanwannabe 17:56 GMT le 11 août 2010    
Quoting IKE:


It's almost to the point of looking at the last 10 days of August for a chance of something significant, affecting anyone, in the Atlantic.

I know I'll get hammered from the blogger in Brownsville over what I'm saying, but I don't see much the next 7-10 days.


You Cool with me Bro........I actually have considered the past several weeks pretty active (including one hurricane) in spite of a few false starts most recently....I am NOT looking forward to when Mother Nature "throws the switch" in the Central Atlantic whether that be in a few weeks or in earnest in September.
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475. Levi32 17:58 GMT le 11 août 2010    
Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
Not a fan of watts, but the klotzbach article was fine.


The fact that he posts there can't mean Watts' site is as bad as you claim lol.
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476. Patrap 17:58 GMT le 11 août 2010    
478. DoubleAction 17:58 GMT le 11 août 2010    
Radar does not pick up a new coc either, guess it's just a very poorly organized system, although relocations often do occur. Just keeping an eyed out on this one. This might go down as the year of the ULL's.
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479. sflawavedude 17:59 GMT le 11 août 2010    
Ok I'm done with this very messed up system- I'm writing off this td. Rip td5! Just disorganised rains with a breeze. :)
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480. HurricaneKyle 17:59 GMT le 11 août 2010    
Quoting IKE:


It's almost to the point of looking at the last 10 days of August for a chance of something significant, affecting anyone, in the Atlantic.

I know I'll get hammered from the blogger in Brownsville over what I'm saying, but I don't see much the next 7-10 days.


We might have something to watch next days as the gfs is showing this guy off Africa but take with a grain of salt until we get higher model support and consistency.
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481. Patrap 17:59 GMT le 11 août 2010    
Life seems to be still in the Dvorak.

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482. Krycek1984 17:59 GMT le 11 août 2010    
I know that there has been a lot of analysis concerning a very active season and conditions that are ripe for tropical development. I have enjoyed all of the blogs, especially StormW's, describing why this is.

To play devil's advocate, are there any conditions in place that could hinder tropical development this season? I see a lot of "groupthink" and there must be data supporting a somewhat quiet, or even "average", season.
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483. nolacane2009 18:00 GMT le 11 août 2010    
Quoting Patrap:
..Its a Love Beat..


Gulf Of Mexico - Rainbow Loop


Last Loop Looks like it is trying to form a center.
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484. BahaHurican 18:00 GMT le 11 août 2010    
Quoting CaicosRetiredSailor:
Hello Baha

Just got home, and I see the blob which I thought you were keeping that way has slipped down here and is dripping on me.
Hey, we had enough of that yesterday and Monday... today's supposed to be drying out day...
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485. VAbeachhurricanes 18:00 GMT le 11 août 2010    
Quoting reedzone:


I had enough with you bull, see ya!


what?! the nhc is saying itll die!
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487. poknsnok 18:01 GMT le 11 août 2010    
so far except for Alex its all been dry aired to death, sheared to death or ULL'd to death.. will these patterns change?
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488. BahaHurican 18:01 GMT le 11 août 2010    
Quoting CaicosRetiredSailor:
Hello Baha

Just got home, and I see the blob which I thought you were keeping that way has slipped down here and is dripping on me.
BTW, u should watch Levi's video if u haven't yet. It will give u the heebie jeebies...
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489. reedzone 18:02 GMT le 11 août 2010    
Organizing a bit more after the latest frame, I don't think it will dissipate.

Photobucket
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490. weathermanwannabe 18:02 GMT le 11 août 2010    
Quoting DoubleAction:
Radar does not pick up a new coc either, guess it's just a very poorly organized system, although relocations often do occur. Just keeping an eyed out on this one. This might go down as the year of the ULL's.


It will not be the year of the TUTT/ULLs for much longer:

Landsea 2005:
In the North Atlantic, the TUTT first develops in June, strengthens in July and August, and dissipates in September and October. In its climatological position, the trough axis tilts from the central North Atlantic into the Gulf of Mexico as shown for mean August conditions in Fig. 2. Smaller scale (few hundred kilometers) closed circulations - cold lows or TUTT cells - form within the TUTT and move to the south and west along the TUTT axis throughout the summer.
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491. HurricaneKyle 18:02 GMT le 11 août 2010    
things look fairly benign over the tropics in the next few days but we need to watch off Africa because the latter part of August and all of September and October look like they're going to be pretty active.
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493. Levi32 18:03 GMT le 11 août 2010    
Check this out, GFS operational run starting to see the system that's on the ensemble mean, coming off Africa in 7-8 days:

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494. twhcracker 18:03 GMT le 11 août 2010    
Quoting Krycek1984:
I know that there has been a lot of analysis concerning a very active season and conditions that are ripe for tropical development. I have enjoyed all of the blogs, especially StormW's, describing why this is.

To play devil's advocate, are there any conditions in place that could hinder tropical development this season? I see a lot of "groupthink" and there must be data supporting a somewhat quiet, or even "average", season.


i still maintain with all the experts calling for a busy season, then if its NOT, then something is wrong.
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495. hurricanehanna 18:03 GMT le 11 août 2010    
Hey Pat...see any reason for me not to head that way Friday? We'll be in the Garden District area.

How was that Poboy?
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498. Patrap 18:04 GMT le 11 août 2010    
Quoting hurricanehanna:
Hey Pat...see any reason for me not to head that way Friday? We'll be in the Garden District area.

How was that Poboy?


It went down fine.,thanx.

Hopefully Friday the bad stuff if any will be a scooting out.
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