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Danielle a Cat 4; Earl more organized; Northwest Passage opens for 4th year in a row
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 15:20 GMT le 27 août 2010 +6
The Atlantic's first major hurricane of 2010, Hurricane Danielle, has arrived. Danielle finished a steady round of intensification early this morning, peaking as a low-end Category 4 storm with 135 mph winds. Infrared satellite loops show little change in Danielle's intensity over the past 12 hours, and the hurricane may be at its peak intensity. Wind shear remains low, 5 - 10 knots, and sea surface temperatures of 29°C are still warm enough to support some modest additional intensification, though. The first Hurricane Hunter mission is scheduled to investigate Danielle this afternoon, and we'll get a better idea of Danielle's strength then.


Figure 1. True color image of Danielle taken at 12:55pm EDT Thursday, August 26, 2010, by NASA's Aqua satellite.

Intensity forecast for Danielle
The latest SHIPS model forecast predicts that shear will remain low, 5 - 10 knots, through Saturday night, but then rapidly rise to a high 25 - 50 knots Sunday through Tuesday when Danielle encounters strong upper-level winds from a trough of low pressure. Danielle may go through an eyewall replacement cycle today or Saturday, which could weaken the storm to Category 2 strength. More substantial weakening will occur on Sunday, when Danielle encounters the high shear.

Track forecast for Danielle
Danielle wandered off of its northwesterly path over the past few hours and has headed almost due west, but the hurricane should resume a more northwesterly path shortly. A trough of low pressure that is currently moving off the East Coast of the U.S. and Canada should begin pulling Danielle due north Saturday, with the hurricane passing east of Bermuda Saturday night through Sunday. NHC is giving Bermuda just a 12% chance of getting tropical storm force winds of 39 mph or greater from Danielle, and no chance of getting winds 58 mph or greater. The Bermuda Weather Service is predicting 10 - 18 foot waves this weekend for Bermuda's offshore waters. All of the computer models agree on recurvature of Danielle out to sea on Sunday, with the storm missing both Bermuda and Canada. The latest wave forecast from NOAA's Wavewatch III model (which uses the GFS model as its prediction for the position and intensity of hurricanes), calls for waves from Danielle to begin hitting the coast of North Carolina on Saturday. These waves will build to 6 - 9 feet in the offshore waters from Northern Florida to North Carolina by Sunday. The latest near shore water forecast for Cape Hatteras calls for 6 - 8 foot waves Saturday, and 6 - 9 feet on Sunday.


Figure 2. Morning satellite image of Earl.

Tropical Storm Earl
Tropical Storm Earl continues to follow a track very similar to Danielles across the mid-Atlantic. The wind shear analysis from the University of Wisconsin CIMSS group shows low shear of 5 - 10 knots over Earl, and recent satellite imagery shows the storm is slowly growing more organized. More low-level spiral bands have developed this morning, and the storm has assumed a more circular shape. Water vapor satellite images show a large region of dry air from the Sahara lies to the west of Earl, and this dry air will likely be the primary inhibiting factor for development over the next few days. Sea surface temperatures are warm, around 28°C. Earl is too far from land for the Hurricane Hunters to reach, and the first flight into the storm is scheduled for Saturday evening.

Forecast for Earl
The latest SHIPS model forecast for Earl predicts that wind shear will remain low to moderate, 5 - 15 knots, for the next five days. There is a possibility, though, that Earl may see higher shear Saturday night through Sunday, due to strong upper-level winds from the outflow of Hurricane Danielle. SSTs will steadily warm from 28°C on Friday to almost 30°C by Sunday beneath Earl. The storm may cross Danielle's cold water wake at some point, which could interrupt development. Dry air will probably be the main inhibiting factor for Earl over the next three days, though. In combination, these factors should allow for intensification of Earl into a hurricane 3 - 4 days from now. An unknown wild card in this may be the possible interaction with 97L. Several models predict 97L will grow to hurricane strength and move faster than Earl. It is possible the storms could interfere with each other, or have some counterclockwise rotation around a common center, 4 - 6 days from now.

History suggests that a storm in Earl's current location has a 15 - 20% chance of making landfall on the U.S. East Coast, but the long term fate of Earl remains unclear. The storm is being steered by the same ridge of high pressure steering Danielle, and Earl will initially follow a track similar to Danielle. As Earl approaches the central Atlantic 3 - 4 days from now, the storm will encounter a break in the region of high pressure steering it, courtesy of Danielle. This should give enough of a northwestward motion to the storm so that it misses the Lesser Antilles Islands. Earl would then likely continue northwest towards Bermuda. However, if Danielle recurves out to sea faster than expected, this ridge may have time to build back enough to steer Earl over the northern Lesser Antilles Islands. NHC is giving Saint Maarten in the northern Lesser Antilles a 35% chance of receiving tropical storm force winds from Earl, and a 8% chance of getting hurricane force winds.


Figure 3. Morning satellite image of 97L.

97L
It's deja-vu all over again, as a new tropical wave (Invest 97L) off the coast of Africa, south of the Cape Verdes Islands, appears destined to develop into a tropical storm and follow the path of Danielle and Earl. 97L already has a broad, elongated surface circulation, as seen on satellite loops, but only limited heavy thunderstorm activity. The storm is experiencing a moderate 10 - 20 knots of winds shear, is over warm 28°C waters, and is battling a region of dry air associated with the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) to its northwest. The latest SHIPS model forecast calls for shear to drop to the low range, 5 - 10 knots, Saturday through Sunday, and this should allow 97L to organize into a tropical depression. The storm will follow a track very similar to Danielle and Earl westward towards the Lesser Antilles Islands, and the storm should arrive near the northern Lesser Antilles 5 - 6 days from now. A more northwesterly path is likely for 97L as it approaches the Lesser Antilles, as the storm follows a break in the high pressure ridge steering it, created by Danielle and Earl. It currently appears that the Northern Lesser Antilles Islands may be at risk of at least a close brush with 97L, though. Most of the computer models develop 97L into a hurricane five days from now. However, the storm will have to contend with the cold water wakes left behind by both Danielle and Earl. Furthermore, the GFS model is indicating that 4 - 5 days from now, Earl will be a strong hurricane whose upper-level outflow will create high wind shear of 20 - 30 knots over 97L, weakening it. History suggests that a storm in 97L's current location has a 15 - 20% chance of making landfall on the U.S. East Coast. NHC is giving 97L a 70% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Sunday.

Elsewhere in the Tropics
In the Eastern Pacific, Hurricane Frank is headed towards Baja California in Mexico, but is expected to dissipate before getting there.

There are more tropical waves over Africa that will be candidates to develop next week once they emerge over the Atlantic. In particular, a wave near 10N 20E has an impressive circulation.

The Northwest and Northeast Passages are open
The Northwest Passage--the legendary shipping route through ice-choked Canadian waters at the top of the world--melted free of ice last week, and is now open for navigation, according to satellite mosaics available from the National Snow and Ice Data Center and The University of Illinois Cryosphere Today. This summer marks the fourth consecutive year--and fourth time in recorded history--that the fabled passage has opened for navigation. Over the past four days, warm temperatures and southerly winds over Siberia have also led to intermittent opening of the Northeast Passage, the shipping route along the north coast of Russia through the Arctic Ocean. It is now possible to completely circumnavigate the Arctic Ocean in ice-free waters, and this will probably be the case for at least a month. This year marks the third consecutive year--and the third time in recorded history--that both the Northwest Passage and Northeast Passage have melted free, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center. The Northeast Passage opened for the first time in recorded history in 2005, and the Northwest Passage in 2007. It now appears that the opening of one or both of these northern passages is the new norm, and business interests are taking note--commercial shipping in the Arctic is on the increase, and there is increasing interest in oil drilling. The great polar explorers of past centuries would be astounded at how the Arctic has changed in the 21st century.


Figure 4. Arctic sea ice extent image for August 24, 2010, as compiled by The University of Illinois Cryosphere Today. The northern route (Western Parry Channel) through the Northwest Passage was completely clear of ice, as was the Northeast Passage. The southern route through the Northwest Passage was still partially blocked.

What caused the opening of the Northwest and Northeast Passages?
The remarkable thinning of Arctic sea ice in recent years has left behind a very thin layer of mostly 1-year old ice in the Arctic, highly vulnerable to rapid melting. As I describe in detail in wunderground's sea ice page, this thinning was mostly due to natural wind pattern in the 1990s, much warmer than average ocean waters invading the Arctic from both the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans, very warm air temperatures, and deposition of black soot from fires used to clear agricultural land in Europe and air pollution originating in industrialized regions of the Northern Hemisphere. This year, Canada experienced its warmest winter in history, and record warm temperatures were observed during spring over the Western Canadian Arctic. Spring 2010 was the warmest in the region since 1948; some regions of the Western Canadian Arctic were more than 6°C (11°F) above average. These warm conditions helped break the ice up early in the Northwest Passage. Warm conditions continued this summer over both the Northwest and Northeast Passages, with temperatures averaging 1 - 2°C above average over the majority of the region. As observed in previous years, contributing to this year's melt was the presence of much warmer than average ocean waters invading the Arctic from both the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans, and the deposition of black soot on the ice, which absorbs sunlight and heats up the ice. Lack of sunshine and natural wind patterns this summer helped counteract the melting, though, compared to the record melt year of 2007. Still, 2010 is on track come in 2nd or 3rd place for the lowest summertime Arctic sea ice extent on record. The past six years have had the six lowest Arctic ice extents on record, and this summer's melting season took a huge toll on the amount of thick, multi-year old ice, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center. Modeling results from the University of Washington Polar Science Center (Figure 5) suggest that the volume of Arctic sea ice is at a record low for this time of year. The loss of so much old, thick ice this year makes it increasing likely that Arctic sea ice will suffer a record retreat that surpasses 2007's, sometime in the next ten years. We are still on track to see the Arctic sea ice completely disappear in summer by 2030, as predicted by a number of Arctic sea ice experts.


Figure 5. Arctic sea ice volume as computed by the PIOMAS model of the University of Washington Polar Science Center.

When was the last time the Northwest and Northeast Passages melted free 3 consecutive years?
The first recorded attempt to find and sail the Northwest Passage occurred in 1497, and ended in failure. The thick ice choking the waterways thwarted all attempts at passage for the next four centuries. While we cannot say for certain the Northwest Passage did not open between 1497 and 1900, it is highly unlikely that a string of three consecutive summers where both the Northwest and Northeast Passage opened would have escaped the notice of early mariners and whalers, who were very active in northern waters. We can be sure the Northern Passages were never open between 1900 - 2005, as we have detailed ice edge records from ships (Walsh and Chapman, 2001). A very cold period dominated northern latitudes during the 1600s, 1700s, and 1800s, known as "The Little Ice Age", further arguing against an opening of the Northern Passages during those centuries. The Northern Passages may have been open at some period during the Medieval Warm Period, between 900 and 1300 AD. Temperatures in Europe were similar, though probably a little cooler, than present-day temperatures. However, the Medieval Warm Period warmth was not global, and it is questionable whether or not sections of the Northern Passages along the Alaskan, Canadian, and Russian shores shared in the warmth of the Medieval Warm Period. So, a better candidate for the last previous multi-year opening of the Northern Passages was the period 6,000 - 8,500 years ago, when the Earth's orbital variations brought more sunlight to the Arctic in summer than at present. Funder and Kjaer (2007) found extensive systems of wave generated beach ridges along the North Greenland coast that suggested the Arctic Ocean was ice-free in the summer for over 1,000 years during that period. Prior to that, the next likely time the Northern Passages were open was during the last inter-glacial period, 120,000 years ago. Arctic temperatures then were 2 - 3 degrees Centigrade higher than present-day temperatures, and sea levels were 4 - 6 meters higher. It is possible we'll know better soon. A new technique that examines organic compounds left behind in Arctic sediments by diatoms that live in sea ice give hope that a detailed record of sea ice extent extending back to the end of the Ice Age 12,000 years ago may be possible (Belt et al., 2007). The researchers are studying sediments along the Northwest Passage in hopes of being able to determine when the Passage was last open.

But Antarctic sea ice is at a record high!
Climate change contrarians like to diminish the importance of Arctic sea ice loss by pointing out that in recent years, Antarctic sea ice extent has hit several record highs, including in July of 2010. They fail to mention, though, the fact that ocean temperatures in the Antarctic sea ice region have warmed significantly in recent decades--and faster than the global average temperature rise! So how can sea ice increase when ocean temperatures are warming so dramatically? This topic is discussed in detail by one of my favorite bloggers, physicist John Cook over at skepticalscience.com. In his words:

"There are several contributing factors. One is the drop in ozone levels over Antarctica. The hole in the ozone layer above the South Pole has caused cooling in the stratosphere (Gillet 2003). A side-effect is a strengthening of the cyclonic winds that circle the Antarctic continent (Thompson 2002). The wind pushes sea ice around, creating areas of open water known as polynyas. More polynyas leads to increased sea ice production (Turner 2009).

Another contributor is changes in ocean circulation. The Southern Ocean consists of a layer of cold water near the surface and a layer of warmer water below. Water from the warmer layer rises up to the surface, melting sea ice. However, as air temperatures warm, the amount of rain and snowfall also increases. This freshens the surface waters, leading to a surface layer less dense than the saltier, warmer water below. The layers become more stratified and mix less. Less heat is transported upwards from the deeper, warmer layer. Hence less sea ice is melted (Zhang 2007). "


This counter-intuitive result shows how complicated our climate system is. Climate change contrarians are masters at obscuring the truth by taking counter-intuitive climate events like this out of context, and twisting them into a warped but believable non-scientific narrative. Lawmakers tend to hear a lot of these narratives, since the lobbying wings of the oil and gas industry spent $175 million last year to help convince Congress not to regulate their industry. This number does not include the tens of millions more spent by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, National Association of Manufacturers, coal industry, and other business interests intent upon stymying legislation that might cut into profits of the oil, coal, and gas industry. For comparison, the lobbying money spent by environmental groups in 2009 was approximately $22.5 million. Spending for PR efforts aimed at influencing opinion on climate change issues probably has a similar disparity. This is a major reason why you may have heard, "Hey, Antarctic sea ice is increasing, so why worry about Arctic sea ice loss?"

Commentary
Diminishing the importance of Arctic sea ice loss by calling attention to Antarctic sea ice gain is like telling someone to ignore the fire smoldering in their attic, and instead go appreciate the coolness of the basement, because there is no fire there. Planet Earth's attic is on fire. This fire is almost certain to grow much worse. When the summertime Arctic sea ice starts melting completely a few years or decades hence, the Arctic will warm rapidly, potentially leading to large releases of methane gas stored in permafrost and in undersea "methane ice" deposits. Methane is 20 - 25 times more potent than CO2 at warming the climate, meaning that the fire in Earth's attic will inexorably spread to the rest of the globe. To deny that the fire exists, or that the fire is natural, or that the fire is too expensive to fight are all falsehoods. This fire requires our immediate and urgent attention. Volunteer efforts to fight the fire by burning less coal, oil, and gas are laudable, but insufficient. It's like trying to fight a 3-alarm blaze with a garden hose. Every time you reduce your use of oil, gas, or coal, you make the price of those fuels cheaper, encouraging someone else to burn them. Global warming will not slow down until Big Government puts a price on oil, coal and gas--a price that starts out low but increases every year. This can be done via emissions trading, a "fee and dividend" approach, or other means. People are rightfully mistrustful of the ability of Big Government to solve problems, but we don't have a choice. The alternative is to geoengineer our climate--an extremely risky solution. It is time to pay the big bucks and send out the fire engines, before the conflagration gets totally out of control. Consider the Great Russian Heat Wave of 2010 and the Pakistani floods of 2010 a warning. These sorts of extreme events will grow far more common in the decades to come, because of human-caused climate change.

References
Belt, S.T., G. Masse, S.J. Rowland, M. Poulin, C. Michel, and B. LeBlanc, "A novel chemical fossil of palaeo sea ice: IP25", Organic Geochemistry, Volume 38, Issue 1, January 2007, Pages 16-27.

Funder, S. and K.H. Kjaer, 2007, "A sea-ice free Arctic Ocean?", Geophys. Res. Abstr. 9 (2007), p. 07815.

Walsh, J.E and W.L.Chapman, 2001, "Twentieth-century sea ice variations from observational data", Annals of Glaciology, 33, Number 1, January 2001 , pp. 444-448.

Zhang, J.L., 2006, "Increasing Antarctic Sea Ice under Warming Atmospheric and Oceanic Conditions", Journal of Climate 20, Number 11, pp 2515-2529.

The Manufactured Doubt Industry and the hacked email controversy, a blog post I did in November 2009.

Jeff Masters
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851. hurricanehanna 20:35 GMT le 27 août 2010    
5:00 PM AST Fri Aug 27
Location: 15.8°N 46.0°W
Max sustained: 45 mph
Moving: W at 20 mph
Min pressure: 1003 mb
Earl is truckin' along.....
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852. Relix 20:35 GMT le 27 août 2010    
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853. Thundercloud01221991 20:35 GMT le 27 août 2010    
TS watches posted for Earl...
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854. Clearwater1 20:35 GMT le 27 août 2010    
Quoting nolacane2009:
Does anyone foresee a turn to the north by Earl?>


Yes, just about everyone does. however, the question is exactly when?
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855. Prgal 20:35 GMT le 27 août 2010    
Quoting Relix:
And now we have Tropical Storm Watches for St. Martin.


We are next soon. Do you have the razor handy? :-P
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856. Inactivity 20:35 GMT le 27 août 2010    
5:00 PM AST Fri Aug 27
Location: 15.8°N 46.0°W
Max sustained: 45 mph
Moving: W at 20 mph
Min pressure: 1003 mb
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857. Ameister12 20:36 GMT le 27 août 2010    
WATCHES AND WARNINGS
--------------------
CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY...

THE GOVERNMENT OF FRANCE HAS ISSUED A TROPICAL STORM WATCH FOR
FRENCH SAINT MARTIN AND SAINT BARTHELEMY. THIS TROPICAL STORM WATCH
MEANS THAT TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS ARE POSSIBLE WITHIN 72 HOURS.

SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT...

A TROPICAL STORM WATCH IS IN EFFECT FOR...
* FRENCH SAINT MARTIN AND SAINT BARTHELEMY

RESIDENTS IN THE REMAINDER OF THE NORTHERN LEEWARD ISLANDS SHOULD
MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF EARL.

FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA OUTSIDE THE UNITED
STATES...PLEASE MONITOR PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR NATIONAL
METEOROLOGICAL SERVICE.

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858. SiestaCpl 20:36 GMT le 27 août 2010    
Quoting kmanislander:


Switching to Earl for a moment I just ran the shortwave loop in zoom in an attempt to locate the "center". I see two areas of strong rotation. The first is near 16 N and 44.5 W and the second is 16 N and 46 W.

Any views on this


Mid level and surface circulations have been separated by a dry layer which entered around 24 hours or so ago. It has been trying to re-stack but with the dry layer cutting through it horizontally it cannot properly establish bottom to top convection and the result is two competing circulations. Indeed Earl is staggering like a beheaded warrior who's head has yet to fall from his shoulders...
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859. Inactivity 20:36 GMT le 27 août 2010    
2:00 PM PDT Fri Aug 27
Location: 19.3°N 112.2°W
Max sustained: 65 mph
Moving: NW at 6 mph
Min pressure: 994 mb
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861. kshipre1 20:37 GMT le 27 août 2010    
Levi,

can I get your thought on something? On the Wunderground page, it shows the 2PM models for 97L (to be Fiona). Earlier, you were indicating the GFS and ECMFW showing a strong hurricane near Florida.

Why does the GFS show Fiona recurving out to sea well before even Danielle or Earl?

On another note, based on the image you showed me yesterday of the 2004 setup, I just can not stop feeling that Florida might be in for it with Fiona. If not that, another one down the road.

Fiona has the chance to be a major hurricane down the road especially near PR, Bahamas and South Florida given the very high SST's.
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862. tulsahurrcane 20:37 GMT le 27 août 2010    
Quoting BreadandCircuses:


"If we are to solve the global warming crisis, then we may have no choice but to relinquish our democracy...

OK, wait a minute. I'm not voting for anyone that suspends democracy.... :)





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863. CrazyDuke 20:38 GMT le 27 août 2010    
@Anyone that didn't bother to check: That quote does not exist in the article the GW troll sources. It does say something along the lines of more government authority though.

I guess he's banking on the fact that people won't normally source check stuff they strongly believe/don't believe in, particularly inflammatory stuff. It's easy to control people when they stop thinking.

I still don't particularly like the opinions of the guy in the article though. But, that's just my personal opinion.

False choice trap: Accept source as true without confirmation and become inflamed to the point that you start attacking others or defend the straw man he sets up and get burned down.
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864. CJ5 20:38 GMT le 27 août 2010    
Quoting misanthrope:


Nope, VC's fund startups. Hence the name venture capital. I'd also like you to find me a venture capital firm with 1/100 the assets of GE or Exxon/Mobil.

It's definitely the little guys taking the lead in the alternative energy sector.



Again not true. Exxon alone has sunk hundreds of millions just in algea based alternatives in 2009
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865. angiest 20:38 GMT le 27 août 2010    
Quoting Inactivity:
2:00 PM PDT Fri Aug 27
Location: 19.3°N 112.2°W
Max sustained: 65 mph
Moving: NW at 6 mph
Min pressure: 994 mb


Frank??
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866. Relix 20:38 GMT le 27 août 2010    
Quoting Prgal:


We are next soon. Do you have the razor handy? :-P


They put us outside the cone once more. Lowered percentage as well. Hey they are the pros =P. Tomorrow after 2PM we will know how it will affect us. Earl reports will now be every 3 hours as well.
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867. Zegama 20:38 GMT le 27 août 2010    
Wow, Danielle looks like it's intensifying. I would've thought it would have an eyewall replacement by now. The replacement cycle should've bumped it down a bit.

Earl is steadily approaching warmer waters soon. Very interesting to see how they each pan out.
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868. breald 20:38 GMT le 27 août 2010    
If earl is at 68w on day 5 and continues to head northwest, Cape Cod is sitting at 70w. Is it possible this does not curve out and reach the northeast??
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869. Levi32 20:40 GMT le 27 août 2010    
Quoting kshipre1:
Levi,

can I get your thought on something? On the Wunderground page, it shows the 2PM models for 97L (to be Fiona). Earlier, you were indicating the GFS and ECMFW showing a strong hurricane near Florida.

Why does the GFS show Fiona recurving out to sea well before even Danielle or Earl?

On another note, based on the image you showed me yesterday of the 2004 setup, I just can not stop feeling that Florida might be in for it with Fiona. If not that, another one down the road.

Fiona has the chance to be a major hurricane down the road especially near PR, Bahamas and South Florida given the very high SST's.


GFS keeps Fiona weak and merges her into Earl as he recurves, an unlikely scenario.
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870. xcool 20:41 GMT le 27 août 2010    


ECMWF ensemble track

thank to Levi32.
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871. FloridaTigers 20:41 GMT le 27 août 2010    
TS watch? Earl is awfully close to the islands if it follows that middle track. Any wobble south would take it even closer. If its forecasted to be a hurricane, shouldn't it have been a hurricane watch?
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872. BVI 20:42 GMT le 27 août 2010    
Not what i wanted to see at 5pm, guess watches tomorrow for the British Virgin Islands could be in order
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873. Floodman 20:42 GMT le 27 août 2010    
Quoting tkeith:
While it is a fact that AGW is frequently discussed on this blog, it is also a fact the differences wont be resolved on this blog.

Breathe in, Breathe out, Move on...


The problem with the debate is that somewhere along the line the argument became politicized...you don't have to be a tree hugger to believe in AGW, and you don't have to be a far right conservative to think it's a hoax, but those seem to be the lines that have been drawn.

Climate change is indeed a cyclical issue, but you can't blame people for believing that we have a hand in the current apparently rapid increase in global temperature...did the dinosaurs burn millions of tons of hydrocarbon based fuels a day? No, I can;t imagine tha they did, but on the other hand we have no real way of quantifying the rate of temperature increase for any periods of warming other than the one we're in. My point is, if we take steps to curb and control the emission of green house gases and find out that we had nothing to do with it, what do we end up with? A cleaner planet and better technologies for energy production (if we do it right). If we do nothing and find out that there is something to the AGW theories, where are we? Wait, let me state that more clearly: where are our children and grandchildren?

What we need is a realistic discussion of this issue without the quasi-religious political fervor that seems to taint the discussion now...but then, when was the last time our leaders were able to speak to one another in a way that was even vaguely productive? The Reagan Administration? I reacll some relatively calm discussion during the Clinton years...certainly not in the last decade or so...
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875. ClearH2Ostormchaser 20:42 GMT le 27 août 2010    
Relix, I hope Danielle slows down for your sake down there. That should suck earl up in her wake
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876. Titoxd 20:42 GMT le 27 août 2010    
000
WTPZ34 KNHC 272034
TCPEP4
BULLETIN
TROPICAL STORM FRANK ADVISORY NUMBER 25
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL EP092010
200 PM PDT FRI AUG 27 2010

...FRANK CONTINUES TO WEAKEN...NOW A TROPICAL STORM...


SUMMARY OF 200 PM PDT...2100 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...19.3N 112.2W
ABOUT 290 MI...465 KM SSW OF THE SOUTHERN TIP OF BAJA CALIFORNIA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...65 MPH...100 KM/HR
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NW OR 320 DEGREES AT 6 MPH...9 KM/HR
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...994 MB...29.35 INCHES


WATCHES AND WARNINGS
--------------------
THERE ARE NO COASTAL WATCHES OR WARNINGS IN EFFECT.


DISCUSSION AND 48-HOUR OUTLOOK
------------------------------
AT 200 PM PDT...2100 UTC...THE CENTER OF TROPICAL STORM FRANK WAS
LOCATED NEAR LATITUDE 19.3 NORTH...LONGITUDE 112.2 WEST. FRANK IS
MOVING TOWARD THE NORTHWEST NEAR 6 MPH...9 KM/HR. A GRADUAL TURN
TOWARD THE NORTH AND NORTH-NORTHEAST IS EXPECTED DURING THE NEXT 48
HOURS.

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS HAVE DECREASED TO NEAR 65 MPH...100 KM/HR...
WITH HIGHER GUSTS. CONTINUED WEAKENING IS FORECAST DURING THE NEXT
48 HOURS...AND FRANK WILL PROBABLY BECOME A DEPRESSION BY LATE
SATURDAY...OR SOONER.

TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 60 MILES...95 KM
FROM THE CENTER.

ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE IS 994 MB...29.35 INCHES.


HAZARDS AFFECTING LAND
----------------------
NONE.


NEXT ADVISORY
-------------
NEXT COMPLETE ADVISORY...800 PM PDT.

$$
FORECASTER PASCH

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877. Prgal 20:43 GMT le 27 août 2010    
Quoting Relix:


They put us outside the cone once more. Lowered percentage as well. Hey they are the pros =P. Tomorrow after 2PM we will know how it will affect us. Earl reports will now be every 3 hours as well.


Yeah, I am just kidding with you. I hope it turns but until its pass 20N, I will keep an eye on it. Its too far from us and anything can happen.

You know how many times we have been under warnings and at the last minute it turns away? Well, of course you know...you live here! (And this comment is for the Models worshipers).
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878. CajunTexan 20:43 GMT le 27 août 2010    
So, question from someone who doesn't know much about this stuff...

If Earl continues to struggle rather than strengthen as the models have been predicting, couldn't that significantly change the track forecast for him as well?


In other words, if I have been paying attention here the last few years, wouldn't a weaker Earl be less likely to "feel" the weakness that's supposed to pull him WNW then NW?
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879. Inactivity 20:44 GMT le 27 août 2010    

AT 5 PM EDT...THE BERMUDA WEATHER SERVICE HAS ISSUED A TROPICAL
STORM WATCH FOR BERMUDA.


ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE 942 MB
EYE DIAMETER 20 NM
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS 115 KT WITH GUSTS TO 140 KT.64 KT....... 50NE 50SE 35SW 50NW.
50 KT....... 90NE 90SE 75SW 90NW.
34 KT.......180NE 150SE 130SW 150NW.
12 FT SEAS..330NE 270SE 250SW 250NW.
WINDS AND SEAS VARY GREATLY IN EACH QUADRANT. RADII IN NAUTICAL
MILES ARE THE LARGEST RADII EXPECTED ANYWHERE IN THAT QUADRANT.
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880. kshipre1 20:44 GMT le 27 août 2010    
ok, I understand. thanks levi
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881. seflagamma 20:44 GMT le 27 août 2010    
Hi everyone,

What a pretty storm Danielle is out there swirling herself silly inthe Atlantic!

I just noticed along with our number of blogs and comments... it gives the date we got a handle and posted for the first time!

I know I was lurking earlier that year once I discovered Dr Master's blogs..but did not get the nerve to post here until Aug 28, 2005.

That is cool!
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882. Neapolitan 20:44 GMT le 27 août 2010    
Danielle

5:00 PM AST Fri Aug 27
Location: 27.3°N 60.3°W
Max sustained: 135 mph
Moving: NW at 9 mph
Min pressure: 942 mb
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883. Levi32 20:44 GMT le 27 août 2010    
Quoting xcool:


ECMWF ensemble track

thank to Levi32.


Here are the more recent ensemble tracks, from 0z last night.

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884. leo305 20:45 GMT le 27 août 2010    
it cant hit CAT 5 strength because the conditions are not favorable for a CAT 5, but it can get close.. it looks monstrous

also she better speed up, or EARL will start to feel danielle's pull
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885. Titoxd 20:45 GMT le 27 août 2010    
000
WTNT31 KNHC 272043
TCPAT1
BULLETIN
HURRICANE DANIELLE ADVISORY NUMBER 26
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL062010
500 PM AST FRI AUG 27 2010

...DANIELLE GETTING A LITTLE BETTER ORGANIZED...TROPICAL STORM WATCH
ISSUED FOR BERMUDA...


SUMMARY OF 500 PM AST...2100 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...27.3N 60.3W
ABOUT 440 MI...705 KM SE OF BERMUDA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...135 MPH...215 KM/HR
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NW OR 310 DEGREES AT 9 MPH...15 KM/HR
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...942 MB...27.82 INCHES


WATCHES AND WARNINGS
--------------------
CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY...

AT 5 PM EDT...THE BERMUDA WEATHER SERVICE HAS ISSUED A TROPICAL
STORM WATCH FOR BERMUDA.

SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT...

A TROPICAL STORM WATCH IN IN EFFECT FOR...
* BERMUDA.

FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA...PLEASE MONITOR
PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR NATIONAL METEOROLOGICAL SERVICE.


DISCUSSION AND 48-HOUR OUTLOOK
------------------------------
AT 500 PM AST...2100 UTC...THE CENTER OF HURRICANE DANIELLE WAS
LOCATED NEAR LATITUDE 27.3 NORTH...LONGITUDE 60.3 WEST. DANIELLE IS
MOVING TOWARD THE NORTHWEST NEAR 9 MPH...15 KM/HR. A TURN TOWARD
THE NORTH-NORTHWEST IS EXPECTED BY TONIGHT FOLLOWED BY A TURN
TOWARD THE NORTH ON SATURDAY. ON THE FORECAST TRACK...THE CENTER OF
DANIELLE IS EXPECTED TO PASS WELL TO THE EAST OF BERMUDA SATURDAY
NIGHT.

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 135 MPH...215 KM/HR...WITH HIGHER
GUSTS. DANIELLE IS A CATEGORY FOUR HURRICANE ON THE SAFFIR-SIMPSON
HURRICANE WIND SCALE. SOME SLIGHT STRENGTHENING IS POSSIBLE DURING
THE NEXT 24 HOURS.

HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 60 MILES...95 KM...FROM
THE CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 205
MILES...335 KM.

ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE BASED ON RECENT AIR FORCE RESERVE
RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT REPORTS IS 942 MB...27.82 INCHES.


HAZARDS AFFECTING LAND
----------------------
SURF...LARGE WAVES AND DANGEROUS SURF CONDITIONS WILL AFFECT BERMUDA
OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS. SWELLS FROM DANIELLE WILL BEGIN TO ARRIVE
ON THE EAST COAST OF THE UNITED STATES ON SATURDAY. THESE SWELLS
ARE LIKELY TO CAUSE DANGEROUS RIP CURRENTS THROUGH THE WEEKEND.
PLEASE MONITOR PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR LOCAL WEATHER OFFICE.


NEXT ADVISORY
-------------
NEXT INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY...800 PM AST.
NEXT COMPLETE ADVISORY...1100 PM AST.

$$
FORECASTER STEWART
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886. cheetaking 20:45 GMT le 27 août 2010    
Absolutely stunning...

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887. xcool 20:45 GMT le 27 août 2010    
Levi32 oh opps
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889. angiest 20:46 GMT le 27 août 2010    
Quoting cheetaking:
Absolutely stunning...



A classic hurricane.
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890. Levi32 20:47 GMT le 27 août 2010    
Earl 5pm forecast track:

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891. CybrTeddy 20:48 GMT le 27 août 2010    
Bermuda under a Tropical Storm Watch.

With that Danielle looses its fish storm status.

Why?

Watches cost money, officials have to prepare, get supplies ready 'just in case'.

Earl also has lost its Fish storm status.

Anyways, Danielle's absolutely stunning. Thinking it might peak at 145 mph before weakening under a EWRC and higher wind shear.

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892. Floodman 20:48 GMT le 27 août 2010    
Quoting CajunTexan:
So, question from someone who doesn't know much about this stuff...

If Earl continues to struggle rather than strengthen as the models have been predicting, couldn't that significantly change the track forecast for him as well?


In other words, if I have been paying attention here the last few years, wouldn't a weaker Earl be less likely to "feel" the weakness that's supposed to pull him WNW then NW?


Exactly; a weaker storm feels the pull less and is effected less...
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893. UpperLevelLOL 20:48 GMT le 27 août 2010    
Quoting Levi32:
Earl 5pm forecast track:



Hellooooo Hatteras....
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894. Levi32 20:48 GMT le 27 août 2010    
000
WTNT41 KNHC 272043
TCDAT1
HURRICANE DANIELLE DISCUSSION NUMBER 26
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL062010
500 PM AST FRI AUG 27 2010

THE CONVECTIVE CLOUD STRUCTURE OF DANIELLE HAS IMPROVED A LITTLE
DURING THE DAY AND THE 15-20 NMI DIAMETER EYE REMAINS VERY
DISTINCT. UPPER-LEVEL OUTFLOW IS GOOD IN ALL QUADRANTS AND
CONTINUES TO IMPROVE TO THE NORTH AND EAST OF THE HURRICANE. AN AIR
FORCE RESERVE RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT INVESTIGATED DANIELLE EARLIER
THIS AFTERNOON AND FOUND A CENTRAL PRESSURE OF 942 MB AND MAXIMUM
700 MB FLIGHT-LEVEL WINDS OF 119 KT...WHICH EQUATES TO ABOUT 107 KT
SURFACE WINDS. MAXIMUM SFMR WINDS WERE ONLY 101 KT...HOWEVER.
SATELLITE INTENSITY ESTIMATES FROM SAB AND TAFB WERE A CONSENSUS
T6.0/115 KT. UW-CIMSS ADT ESTIMATES ARE T6.4/125 KT... AND HAVE
BEEN INCREASING OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF HOURS. A BLEND OF THESE
INTENSITY ESTIMATES SUPPORTS KEEPING THE INTENSITY AT 115 KT FOR
THIS ADVISORY.

THE INITIAL MOTION ESTIMATE IS 310/08. THE NHC MODEL GUIDANCE
REMAINS TIGHTLY PACKED THROUGH 48-72 HOURS...AND IS STILL
INDICATING SHARP RECURVATURE BY 24 HOURS AROUND THE SUBTROPICAL
RIDGE THAT LIES ALONG 29N-30N LATITUDE. AFTER RECURVATURE
OCCURS...A STRONG MID-LEVEL TROUGH CURRENTLY PUSHING SOUTHEASTWARD
OFF THE EASTERN U.S. COAST AND CANADIAN MARITIMES REGION IS
FORECAST TO ACCELERATE DANIELLE QUICKLY TO THE NORTHEAST OR
EAST-NORTHEAST AND GRADUALLY CAPTURE THE CYCLONE AT HIGHER
LATITUDES BY 96 HOURS...AND THEN TURN IT SHARPLY POLEWARD BY 120
HOURS AS A STRONG AND DEEP EXTRATROPICAL CYCLONE. THE OFFICIAL
FORECAST TRACK IS SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS ADVISORY TRACK THROUGH 96
HOURS...AND THEN A MORE POLEWARD AT DAY 5...WHICH REMAINS
CONSISTENT WITH THE CONSENSUS MODELS...TVCN AND TVCC.

DANIELLE MAY STRENGTHEN SLIGHTLY DURING THE NEXT 12-24 HOURS AS THE
HURRICANE MOVES INTO A REGION OF LOWER VERTICAL SHEAR AND OVER 29C
SSTS. BY 36 HOURS...HOWEVER...INCREASING SOUTHWESTERLY VERTICAL
SHEAR AHEAD OF THE AFOREMENTIONED TROUGH SHOULD COMBINE WITH
DECREASING SSTS TO INITIATE STEADY WEAKENING. AROUND 96 HOURS OR
SO...DANIELLE SHOULD BEGIN EXTRATROPICAL TRANSITION AS IT MERGES
WITH A STRONG FRONTAL SYSTEM AND BE FULLY EXTRATROPICAL BY 120
HOURS AS A VERY LARGE 60-KT LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM OVER THE FAR NORTH
ATLANTIC. THE OFFICIAL INTENSITY FORECAST IS A BLEND OF THE VARIOUS
INTENSITY MODELS.

ALTHOUGH THE CENTER OF DANIELLE IS EXPECTED TO PASS WELL TO THE EAST
OF BERMUDA...THE LARGE AND EXPANDING WIND FIELD ON THE WEST SIDE OF
THE HURRICANE COULD BRING TROPICAL-STORM-FORCE WINDS CLOSE TO
BERMUDA ON SATURDAY. FOR THIS REASON...A TROPICAL STORM WATCH HAS
BEEN ISSUED FOR THAT ISLAND.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INITIAL 27/2100Z 27.3N 60.3W 115 KT
12HR VT 28/0600Z 28.6N 61.0W 120 KT
24HR VT 28/1800Z 30.5N 60.8W 110 KT
36HR VT 29/0600Z 32.8N 59.0W 100 KT
48HR VT 29/1800Z 35.1N 56.3W 85 KT
72HR VT 30/1800Z 38.4N 49.7W 75 KT
96HR VT 31/1800Z 41.8N 39.1W 65 KT
120HR VT 01/1800Z 50.0N 28.0W 60 KT...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP

$$
FORECASTER STEWART
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895. Relix 20:49 GMT le 27 août 2010    
Quoting UpperLevelLOL:


Hellooooo Hatteras....


Shouldn't you say Hello to the islands first?
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896. futuremet 20:50 GMT le 27 août 2010    
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897. Floodman 20:50 GMT le 27 août 2010    
Quoting cheetaking:
Absolutely stunning...



The most destructive things in nature are typically the most beautiful as well; we seem to be drawn towards things like this
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898. xcool 20:50 GMT le 27 août 2010    
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