Category 3 Bingiza hits Madagascar

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 13:25 GMT le 14 février 2011

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Tropical Cyclone Bingiza roared ashore over Northern Madagascar early today as a dangerous Category 3 hurricane with 115 mph winds. Recent microwave imagery from NASA's TRMM satellite shows that Bingza had a large region of heavy rains of 0.4 - 0.7 inches per hour in the eyewall and inner spiral bands at landfall. Rainfall amounts of up to 8 inches are being predicted along Bingza's path over northern Madagascar for the coming 24 hours by NOAA's automated tropical cyclone rainfall prediction system. Rains of this magnitude are capable of causing dangerous flooding in Madagascar, and the storm's winds and storm surge likely caused serious damage in the moderately populated area where the storm came ashore. Bingiza will weaken today as it traverses the island, but is expected to re-intensify once it emerges over the Mozambique Channel between Africa and Madagascar on Tuesday, where sea surface temperatures are about 0.4°C above average. As the storm skirts the western coast of Madagascar Tuesday and Wednesday, the island will receive additional very heavy rains on its mountainous slopes. Madagascar suffers from extensive deforestation, and a storm like Bingiza is capable of causing very dangerous floods.


Figure 1. True color satellite image of Tropical Cyclone Bingiza as it approached landfall in Madagascar at 07 UTC on February 13, 2011. Image credit: NASA.

Bingiza is just the second tropical cyclone in the Southwest Indian Ocean (west of 90E) during the 2010 - 2011 season; this is an unusually low amount of activity for the basin. The only other storm so far this season has been Tropical Cyclone Abele (29 Nov - 4 Dec 2010), a Category 1 storm that stayed out to sea. Bingiza is the 4th major (Category 3 or stronger) tropical cyclone world-wide this year.

Jeff Masters

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Quoting Orcasystems:



Thats priceless... I want to use it... I will change the country to protect the innocent.


Well, of course! All my comments, phrases and filthy limericks are in the public domain and may be used, though if used for monetary gain I require a writing credit
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Quoting Floodman:


LOL...got me...though that was the DEW line...all inside Canada and well, I guess tubes were what they had to deal with...

Don't get me wrong; some of my best friends are Canadians...LOL

Disclaimer: Any disparaging remarks about Canada or Canadians are tongue-in-cheek and meant solely for entertainment purposes. Please note that no Canadians were injured in the writing of this post, though some have been lightly bruised.


Thats priceless... I want to use it... I will change the country to protect the innocent.
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Quoting hydrus:
Dont ya mean 28,00 years ago?


Shhhh...I'm trying to be relevant...LOL
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Quoting Orcasystems:


The initial duel is over, Levi shot him with one of his own posts. I think the question has now been massaged so that the presented data can be made to fit.



Ahhh...the ignominy...hoist' on his own petard

LOL
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We may need a Beck style chalkboard medley of three,with wheels..and lotsa eraser's.

Bottled water.

Genny in case we lose powa.

Caffiene.

Air Cards.

MRE's

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Quoting Orcasystems:


True... Canadian Navy was still using tubes in some of our Radars till 83 (BTW, so was the US).


LOL...got me...though that was the DEW line...all inside Canada and well, I guess tubes were what they had to deal with...

Don't get me wrong; some of my best friends are Canadians...LOL

Disclaimer: Any disparaging remarks about Canada or Canadians are tongue-in-cheek and meant solely for entertainment purposes. Please note that no Canadians were injured in the writing of this post, though some have been lightly bruised.
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Quoting Floodman:
You know, I have an image of the two of them, feverishly researching the arcane bits, 6 or 7 browser windows open with myriad tabs, all frantically searching and presenting data...LOL

It's a duel, right? We used to do this in my Physics study group (28 years ago)...this just has considerably less math apparent
Dont ya mean 28,00 years ago?
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Quoting Floodman:
You know, I have an image of the two of them, feverishly researching the arcane bits, 6 or 7 browser windows open with myriad tabs, all frantically searching and presenting data...LOL

It's a duel, right? We used to do this in my Physics study group (28 years ago)...this just has considerably less math apparent


The initial duel is over, Levi shot him with one of his own posts. I think the question has now been massaged so that the presented data can be made to fit.

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You know, I have an image of the two of them, feverishly researching the arcane bits, 6 or 7 browser windows open with myriad tabs, all frantically searching and presenting data...LOL

It's a duel, right? We used to do this in my Physics study group (28 years ago)...this just has considerably less math apparent
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Quoting Floodman:


Maybe in Canada, brother...we've been solid state since 1968..LOL


True... Canadian Navy was still using tubes in some of our Radars till 83 (BTW, so was the US).
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Quoting Patrap:
Can a Brotha get a "Hmmmmmmmmmmm"?



It means little until we also observe ice extent during a period where the thermohaline circulation isn't pumping abnormally warm water into the arctic region. That won't occur for another 15-20 years.
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Quoting Orcasystems:


Forget it Flood.. we were still doing tubes back then.


Maybe in Canada, brother...we've been solid state since 1968..LOL
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Quoting Floodman:


Wait, what? Concise terminology, please...remember, I got my degree in 1983, so go S-L-O-W


Forget it Flood.. we were still doing tubes back then.
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Now you can access your favorite Cryosphere Today images from the middle of the pack ice, provided you have a nearby cell tower and/or wifi node. Visit our custom Cryosphere Today mobile web application created specifically for the iPod touch and iPhone handheld devices.

arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/iphone/
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Quoting JFLORIDA:
That arctic exchanges mass thats not even close to a thermodynamic system.

We are talking global always.



Wait, what? Concise terminology, please...remember, I got my degree in 1983, so go S-L-O-W
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Can a Brotha get a "Hmmmmmmmmmmm"?

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Quoting JFLORIDA:
Oh well guess there is no other way. So be it. Lets do it right.

Remember you asked for it.

So how would a situation of less ice be addressed in that system correctly with respect to energy as it is encounter now?

Use correct terminology


Honest Question

I have to ask JFLORIDA, the last few times I have seen that term used was during Exams and/or Labs... are you a Professor or Teacher by chance?

Your knowledge on a few subjects is quite impressive.
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216. PcolaDan 4:15 PM PST on February 14, 2011
You two!!

Really???

Still???

wow


yeah...pretty much....

;)
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Quoting JFLORIDA:
That arctic exchanges mass thats not even close to a thermodynamic system.

We are talking global always.



Ok, so my issue with your statement "So we can expect more energy then heat to be put into the system" remains.

Explain how that doesn't violate the first law. I already stated my case multiple times.
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Ummmmm,

That cant be good.




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That arctic exchanges mass thats not even close to a thermodynamic system.

We are talking global always.

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Ha ha!.You can tell when the pattern around here is changing.Becuase everytime it does It gets very windy around here.For an exsample when we were going into a warm pattern,on Saturday it was very wind.Now that were going into a cold pattern again it is also windy.Weather...you just gotta love WEO tornadoes,hurricanes,and blizzards.
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This January saw the lowest observed ice ever for that month. Of course its winter in the northern hemisphere. But still we are near or past historic global ice lows.
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Basics

Atmospheric
Thermodynamics


Previous lecture

http://www.atmos.umd.edu/~aosc400/AOSC400-lecture 4.pdf

more from the folder :)

http://www.heliosat3.de/e-learning/ATM2022/Sectio n3_02.pdf

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Quoting JFLORIDA:
Oh well guess there is no other way. So be it. Lets do it right.

Remember you asked for it.

So how would a situation of less ice be addressed in that system correctly with respect to energy as it is encounter now?

Use correct terminology


I would appreciate an answer to the question in #212, otherwise I have no idea what you are talking about.
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You two!!

Really???

Still???

wow
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The albedo of polar regions varies from that of open water (0.05) to that of new snow (0.90). Ice occurring in between but more towards snow.

We will neglect horizontal differences in floating ice shelves and open ocean.
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Tropical Cyclone BINGIZA


2km Storm Relative IR Imagery with BD Enhancement Curve,loop

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Oh well guess there is no other way. So be it. Lets do it right.

Remember you asked for it.

So how would a situation of less ice be addressed in that system correctly with respect to energy as it is encounter now?

Use correct terminology
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Quoting JFLORIDA:


No its part of the global energy balance. Classical Thermodynamics is mainly just the conservation of energy and mass in a mechanical system.

Atmospheric thermodynamics is used in met but it is still going to lead to difficult explanations.


So were you or were you not referring to the global system? Or were you referring only to the system containing the Arctic Ocean and the atmosphere directly above it?
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Quoting JFLORIDA:
Thermodynamics is more for studying mechanical work. Its a bit crude as is for exotic energy transfer.


What else is the flow of our atmospheric system but mechanical work?
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.moving on,



Tropical Cyclone BINGIZA, RAAMB page




Time of Latest Image: 201102142300




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Quoting Levi32:


Well at long last you finally respond to what I have been trying to address for half the day.

My impression has been that you were referring to the global climate system, and my impression was solidified when you didn't correct me on which "system" you were referring to, but rather led me on a goose chase for however long it was around the subject, though it was interesting to discuss.

Now if you were only talking about the arctic ocean, then that is a different matter. However, you didn't immediately jump to tell me that like I would have expected you to.


No its part of the global energy balance. Classical Thermodynamics is mainly just the conservation of energy and mass in a mechanical system.

Atmospheric thermodynamics is used in met but it is still going to lead to difficult explanations.
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Quoting Orcasystems:


Actually the entire discussion was very interesting... I spent a fair amount of time looking things up on google. Their combined knowledge on the subject was well above my pay grade.

I was very impressed with how Levi presented his information and his choice of words and he stayed away from the low road.

It was like a well played Chess Match.


I agree, I just wish that some here could develop some social skills.
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Thermodynamics is more for studying mechanical work. Its a bit crude as is for exotic energy transfer.
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Quoting JFLORIDA:
No I did not.

I should say the result is less work is performed by the system. thermodynamically. Or less crosses the boundary.

I don't think that is a very clear way to state that.

Its really not good to use strict thermodynamics to explain that system - because technically it is open.


Well at long last you finally respond to what I have been trying to address for half the day.

My impression has been that you were referring to the global climate system, and my impression was solidified when you didn't correct me on which "system" you were referring to, but rather led me on a goose chase for however long it was around the subject, though it was interesting to discuss.

Now if you were only talking about the arctic ocean, then that is a different matter. However, you didn't immediately jump to tell me that like I would have expected you to.
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Quoting twincomanche:


I repeat myself, however there are a lot of people on here educated far beyond their intelligence.


Actually the entire discussion was very interesting... I spent a fair amount of time looking things up on google. Their combined knowledge on the subject was well above my pay grade.

I was very impressed with how Levi presented his information and his choice of words and he stayed away from the low road.

It was like a well played Chess Match.
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No I did not.

I should say the result is less work is performed by the system. thermodynamically. Or less crosses the boundary.

I don't think that is a very clear way to state that.

Its really not good to use strict thermodynamics to explain that system - because technically it is open.

Also the energy reflected exits instantaneously.
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Quoting swampdawg:


I didn't know you had to have a degree in math or science to discuss the weather here. This blog used to be fun........it's like a big pissing contest now......sigh...


I repeat myself, however there are a lot of people on here educated far beyond their intelligence.
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201. Ossqss
23:51 GMT le 14 février 2011
Quoting RecordSeason:



"They"


No, its THEM !! ~~ LOL

Draw your own inference :)
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200. RecordSeason
23:50 GMT le 14 février 2011
No Independent thought. Stay Asleep.
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199. Orcasystems
23:46 GMT le 14 février 2011
Quoting Levi32:


Yup.







Well done grasshopper :)
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198. RecordSeason
23:46 GMT le 14 février 2011
Quoting Patrap:
Me tinks the author is a "they" as well here.

So anyone who agrees with published known data and peer-reviewed material accepted by the Scientific Community,,Globally, is a they?


Fascinating




"They"
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197. Patrap
23:44 GMT le 14 février 2011
Can we define and quantify,"yup" ?

I dont think its happening personally.

Maybe "they" do.



wattsupwithdat


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196. HaloReachFan
23:42 GMT le 14 février 2011
Quoting Levi32:


Yup.







+1
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195. Ossqss
23:39 GMT le 14 février 2011
Oldest to newest relating to the earlier subject matter, to one degree or another, from the old dusty paper bin and one recent related discussion paper. OK, they were the first few in that directory in that folder, LOL :)

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1960ApJ...132..473 G


http://langley.atmos.colostate.edu/publications/D ocuments_1980/Stephens_JAS_Cirrus_1980.pdf


http://modis-atmos.gsfc.nasa.gov/_docs/Stephens_a nd_Tsay_%281990%29.pdf


http://www.mdpi.org/sensors/papers/s8031832.pdf


http://www.atmos-meas-tech-discuss.net/4/33/2011/ amtd-4-33-2011.pdf
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194. Levi32
23:38 GMT le 14 février 2011
Quoting JFLORIDA:


I dont even know if that would matter with gases in a atmosphere. Its not part of the "greenhouse effect" but might be some kind of feedback someone is working on if it exists.

Which is fine but the whole discussion is about that energy. So then energy is conserved. Did I say it was not?


Yup.

Quoting JFLORIDA:
So when we have have cold down in Mexico and extreme warmth in the arctic we are losing ice volume that in the summer months would be reflecting energy.

So we can expect more energy then heat to be put into the system this summer as a result of the climate system that made it cold down in Mexico.




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