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Tropical Depression Two forms from Invest 98L
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 21:33 GMT le 17 juillet 2011 +0
Tropical Depression Two (TD2) formed from Invest 98L this afternoon. Hurricane Hunters flew into the suspect area and found a surface circulation north of the Bahamas, with maximum sustained winds of 35 mph. They also determined the system had become warm core—a characteristic that must be present in order to declare a tropical cyclone. Satellite imagery continues to show the system is becoming more organized with a stronger circulation. Wind shear is forecast to remain favorable for the system until Tuesday or Wednesday when higher shear will slide in from the north. Sea surface temperatures are warm enough to sustain a tropical storm.


Figure 1. Satellite imagery of Tropical Depression Two in the Atlantic, east of Florida. This graphic will update to the current satellite imagery.


Figure 2. Official 5-day forecast for Tropical Depression Two. This graphic will remain current.

Forecast for TD2

The models are coming into better agreement as TD2 has become more organized. In terms of dynamical forecast models, the HWRF and GFS both forecast TD2 to max out just above tropical storm strenth. HWRF intensifies TD2 to around 47 mph in the next 24 hours, whereas GFS is a bit slower to bring the system up to tropical storm status. Two statistical models, the DSHP (SHIPS model that includes land interaction) and the LGEM (Logistical Growth Equation Model) both intensify TD2 to a moderate tropical storm over the next 2-3 days.

There tends to be a lot of uncertainty involved with tropical cyclones that form under these circumstances, but our forecast remains in line with the National Hurricane Center and the reliable forecast models. TD2 will move slowly to the northeast in weak steering currents over the next few days before eventually becoming an extratropical storm. There is minimal chance that this system will cross over Florida into the Gulf of Mexico. Timing and path depend heavily on how intense the cyclone gets, as Jeff mentioned in his blog earlier today. A weaker storm will tend to stay south, whereas a stronger storm will grow taller in the atmosphere and winds at higher levels will influence it and steer it northeast.

None of the reliable models predict tropical cyclone development over the remainder of the Atlantic through July 23.

Angela
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1151. aspectre 13:50 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
And everything is copacetic once again
ATCF (every 6hours)
06pmGMTto12amGMT : 27.7n78.2w-27.5n78.1w , 156.0degrees(~SouthSouthEast)
12amGMTto06amGMT : 27.5n78.1w-27.1n78.0w , 167.4degrees(~midway SSE&dueSouth)
06amGMTto12pmGMT : 27.1n78.0w-27.4n77.5w , 56.0degrees(~midwayEastNorthEast&NorthEast)

NHC (every 3hours)
09pmGMTto12amGMT : 27.5n78.2w-27.5n78.1w , 90degrees(dueEast)
12amGMTto03amGMT : 27.5n78.1w-27.5n78.0w , 90degrees(dueEast)
03pmGMTto06amGMT : 27.5n78.0w-27.1n78.0w , 180degrees(dueSouth)
06amGMTto09amGMT : 27.1n78.0w-27.2n77.7w , 69.5degrees(~EastNorthEast)
09amGMTto12pmGMT : 27.2n77.7w-27.4n77.5w , 41.7degrees(~NorthEast)

Copy&paste 27.7n78.2w-27.5n78.1w, 27.5n78.1w-27.1n78.0w, 27.1n78.0w-27.4n77.5w, pbi, fpo, 27.5n78.2w-27.5n78.1w, 27.5n78.1w-27.5n78.0w, 27.5n78.0w-27.1n78.0w, 27.1n78.0w-27.2n77.7w, 27.2n77.7w-27.4n77.5w into the GreatCircleMapper for more info
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1152. 50PastTheHour 13:52 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
Quoting Patrap:
thats the same radar i was trying to post but cant figure out how, I'm a newbie at that stuff, but anyways i couldn't help but notice how everything is rotating. We have been needing this sooo bad in south MS. wildfires and Running sprinklers every night gets old.
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1153. AllStar17 13:52 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
Bret is only the tip of the iceberg in terms of activity. The EPAC is likely to get a storm and the tropical waves need to be watched much more closely now.
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1154. Patrap 13:55 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
12z Early Cycle NHC model tracks
Bret
Statistical/Simple Models (CLIPER,BAMs,LBAR,other Statistical Models)



Dynamic Models (More sophisticated models)



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1155. Patrap 13:56 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
The Low spiraling thru Se. La. and Southern Miss is a welcome sight.
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1158. txjac 14:02 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
Quoting Patrap:
The Low spiraling thru Se. La. and Southern Miss is a welcome sight.


Pat, when you are done with it send it to Texas ...
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1159. Levi32 14:02 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
Let's not forget about Ma-on closing in on Japan...though dry air did a bigger number on this storm than even I expected. This is great news for the people of Japan, and hopefully this storm doesn't turn out to be a major damaging event.

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1161. Patrap 14:03 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
Quoting txjac:


Pat, when you are done with it send it to Texas ...


That be da plan.
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1162. Thundercloud01221991 14:05 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
hot tower developing on Bret?

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1163. ProgressivePulse 14:06 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
Quoting jasonweatherman2011:
big trough is going to be on the east coast again!!




I wouldn't put much faith in a forecast beyond 5 days, with days 4 & 5 being highly speculative. There's no reason to go out further than that except to show you what could be. There is no guarantee of a trough on the coast next Sunday.
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1164. Progster 14:08 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
Quoting bwi:
Good Morning. I wonder if Bret strengthens and gets larger and sits off the coast for a while, if the circulation could help draw some cooler/cleaner air down in to the mid-atlantic states? Our forecast here in Maryland for later this week and this coming weekend literally stinks: temps near 100f, light west winds, poor air quality. Would love to get another strong cold front instead of weeks of midwestern air stagnation!


Unlikely. there isnt any cool air to the north thru the weekend. crank up the AC.
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1165. RitaEvac 14:09 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
The tropics are quiet, and none of the reliable models predict development for the next 7 days.
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1167. SAINTHURRIFAN 14:11 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
FYI.Cloud burst 2011 is our old buddy stormtop,or am i the only one that noticed that.But anyway nice to see you Lenny and think you could be right.
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1168. Patrap 14:11 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
The Louisiana/Miss Low has more "Oomph" than Bret easily..as well as convecvtion.

WestBank here got over 6 in this am already from it.

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1169. HurricaneKing 14:12 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
Quoting TampaSpin:


Not sure i see the good outflow on the West side you are seeing.........I see nearly just the opposite as dry air is hitting the west side very strong now.


Looks like outflow with the dry air invading the level under the outflow. Sort of like mid level dry air working in. Didn't we have a storm last year that had dry air undercutting the outflow?
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1170. hcubed 14:13 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
Quoting Vincent4989:
Is it just me or is Jason obsessed with T-waves?


From looking at all the names on my ignore list, he's more obsessed with his name, and trying to find new ways to stay off of the lists.

At least he's easy to spot...
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1171. RitaEvac 14:15 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
Quoting Patrap:
The Louisiana/Miss Low has more "Oomph" than Bret easily..as well as convecvtion.

WestBank here got over 6 in this am already from it.



It's gone from the Florida panhandle to Louisiana, it might as well come on over to TX and meander around for a few days
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1172. Patrap 14:17 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
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1173. aspectre 14:19 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
Typhoon Ma-on is continuing its gradual curvature while heading toward the Japanese coastline

A short landfall is predicted to cross southernmost Wakayama a bit west of SHM airport
before Ma-on heads westward out into the ocean

Copy&paste 21.1n137.9e, 21.8n137.1e, 22.7n136.3e, 23.4n135.6e, 24.4n134.6e-25.2n133.8e, 25.2n133.8e-26.0n133.4e, 26.0n133.4e-27.0n133.2e, 27.0n133.2e-28.3n133.2e, koj, shm, hnd, sdj into the GreatCircleMapper for more info
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1174. Jax82 14:19 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
visible loop.

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1175. Vincent4989 14:19 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
Quoting RitaEvac:


It's gone from the Florida panhandle to Louisiana, it might as well come on over to TX and meander around for a few days

I think i heard the texans saying this:
(in a high pitched cute voice) YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
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1176. AtHomeInTX 14:19 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
Quoting Patrap:


That be da plan.


Yep. Just give it a day Txjac. :)

SHOWER AND THUNDERSTORM COVERAGE IS EXPECTED TO BE GREATEST OVER
THE ERN HALF OF THE AREA TODAY. ON TUESDAY...THE AXIS OF DEEPEST
MOISTURE WILL SHIFT WEST...AND CONSEQUENTLY THE HIGHEST CONVECTIVE
COVERAGE WILL BE ACRS SE TX.
WITH THE COMBINATION OF THE DEEP
TROPICAL MOISTURE AND RELATIVELY SLOW STORM MOTIONS...HEAVY
RAINFALL WILL BE POSSIBLE EACH DAY WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR ISOLATED
RAINFALL TOTALS OF ONE TO THREE INCHES IN SOME LOCATIONS.
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1178. Orcasystems 14:25 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
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1180. wolftribe2009 14:28 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
Quoting Jax82:
visible loop.



looks to be banding to me. The eastern side is pretty well organized. This is going to be a small hurricane if it doesn't get any bigger. That is IF it becomes a hurricanes.
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1182. RitaEvac 14:32 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
Quoting jasonweatherman2011:
getting better looking this low northeast of the tropical storm!!


WOW! we may have 2 storms at once! and then merge into a superstorm and affect the fish!

WOW
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1183. AllStar17 14:35 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
TD 4-E has formed.
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1184. mamakins 14:35 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
Patrap Good Morning,

Do you have an idea as to which direction the low over LA/Miss might be traveling? I live in Houston and I'm cautiously optimistic for the rain but also a little concerned about flooding. Boy we haven't said that word in a long time:)
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1185. emcf30 14:36 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    

My bad, posted old image
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1186. DookiePBC 14:36 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
Quoting RitaEvac:


WOW! we may have 2 storms at once! and then merge into a superstorm and affect the fish!

WOW


Someone call the SciFi network...we've got a new script for them...Category 7: Disaster in Freeport. Someone check Debbie Gibson's calendar!

On the weather side, I show up this morning and find out there's a tropical storm not to far off the Palm Beach County shore...wouldn't know it from the sun being out!!
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1191. AllStar17 14:40 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
jason:

No, read that again.
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1193. CanesfanatUT 14:42 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
Ola. I see the 0Z Euro brings Cindy near SEFLA and then up the Coast. 0Z CMC supports development and movement north of Hispanola.

Certainly one to watch
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1195. Patrap 14:44 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
Quoting mamakins:
Patrap Good Morning,

Do you have an idea as to which direction the low over LA/Miss might be traveling? I live in Houston and I'm cautiously optimistic for the rain but also a little concerned about flooding. Boy we haven't said that word in a long time:)


The Low seems to be following the Guidance WEST today
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1196. Caner 14:44 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
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1197. weatherh98 14:44 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
Louisianians are still using the rain right now texas can wait.... just kidding yall need the rain just as muchas we do.
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1198. MahFL 14:45 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
Quoting aspectre:
before Ma-on heads westward out into the ocean


I think you mean east.....
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1200. WINDSMURF 14:45 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
Quoting PolishHurrMaster:
WunderBloggers,my brother told me about his crazy plan:for 4 hours every day(2 in the morning and 2 in the afternoon) he will turn the electrity off,in whole country!
What you think about it?


With all due respect. I strongly believe that your brother is smoking the wrong brand of cigars
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1201. aspectre 14:47 GMT le 18 juillet 2011    
1159 Levi32 "Let's not forget about Ma-on closing in on Japan...though dry air did a bigger number on this storm than even I expected. This is great news for the people of Japan, and hopefully this storm doesn't turn out to be a major damaging event."

Ma-on's probably embarrassed enough about raining on Japan's Women'sWorldCupChampionship victory parade without adding injury to faux pas.
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