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Tropical Storm Don close to landfall; 91L tracks west
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 23:42 GMT le 29 juillet 2011 +11
Tropical Storm Don continues to make its way west-northwest toward the Texas coast this evening. Don has increased steadily in pressure over the past 18 to 24 hours. Wind speed remained 45 knots in the 5pm EDT advisory. The strongest thunderstorm activity continues to be south of the center, southeast of Brownsville, Texas, but the strongest winds are to the north according to Hurricane Hunter data. A mesoscale vortex developed on the southern end this afternoon with high radar reflectivity. Radar estimated rainfall rates are as much as 5 inches per hour to the south, and around 2 inches on the north side of the storm, but these are likely an overestimate, although rainfall rate is definitely higher on the southern end of this storm. It began raining in Brownsville, Texas in the 2pm CDT hour, and so far the airport has received 0.3 inches of rain. The heaviest thunderstorms still look to be to Brownsville's southeast.


Figure 1. Radar reflectivity from Brownsville, Texas at 5pm CDT.

Forecast for Tropical Storm Don
A Hurricane Hunter is currently in the storm, and center fixes suggest Don will make landfall south of Baffin Bay, Texas, in the next couple of hours. Tropical storm-force winds, should there be any, will most likely be seen in a swath from Baffin Bay to Corpus Christi. Once Don moves inland it is expected to dissipate quickly, and without having produced enough meaningful rainfall to impact any drought conditions. The Hydrometeorological Prediction Center isn't predicting any rainfall that would exceed flash flood guidance, and no flood watches or warnings are in effect.

NHC Invest 91L

Moderate thunderstorm activity continues in Invest 91L this afternoon, and the Hurricane Center estimates that the axis of the wave is located near 42W. Estimates from satellites show that 91L has a moderate circulation at all levels, and the Advanced Scatterometer resolved a surface circulation early this morning.


Figure 2. Advanced Scatterometer pass over 91L at 7am EDT this morning. The wind barbs show a low-level circulation had formed near the most intense thunderstorms—a good sign of potential development.

Some of the reliable models—GFS, UKMET, and CMC—are developing 91L into at least a weak tropical cyclone. The ECMWF continues to show no development, but a more interesting solution, one that takes the wave on a southerly track. The GFDL does not develop Invest 91L, but the HWRF forecasts category 1 hurricane strength by August 1st. The track for 91L is likely a turn to the northwest when it reaches the Caribbean and a curve to the northeast around the Bahamas. The models that are developing the system do not suggest this is a U.S. landfall threat, although it's pretty early in the game to predict that, and I imagine the track will fluctuate over the next few days. Today the Hurricane Center gives the wave a 30% chance of development (now 50% in the 8pm EDT outlook) over the next 48 hours, and I'm around 40-50% over its lifetime.

I'll have a post tomorrow afternoon on the aftermath of Don as well as NHC Invest 91L.

Angela
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1952. floridaboy14 19:10 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
Quoting jasonweatherman2011:
going out to sea with the fish!!

first of all its not a fish storm. second there is NO 00000 gurantee that 91L recurves. its all about timing..
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1953. nrtiwlnvragn 19:10 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
91L just needs to pop convection at DMAX and it will easily be a TD tomorrow. Possibly even a TS if it can really consolidate.

Interesting to note that the TVCN is probably what the NHC track would look like.


Find plot of LGEM, SHIP or DSHP and you will have the preliminary NHC track. Look at track in 18Z SHIPS
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1954. IpswichWeatherCenter 19:12 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
Quoting jasonweatherman2011:
going out to sea with the fish!!


Don't be so sure Jason, it depends on how strong it becomes, if it doesn't form soon, it will hit some kind of landmass.
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1955. stormpetrol 19:12 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    


Wow! 91L just got look that about it! I think some are in for a bad blow!
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1957. txjac 19:13 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
Quoting jasonweatherman2011:
going out to sea with the fish!!



Jason, I think that we all know what your thoughts are for the system, no need to keep repeating yourself. You loose credibility when you do that. Earlier this season your posts were awesome, well documented and informative. People were responding positively to you.
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1958. NICycloneChaser 19:13 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
Invest 91L has improved a lot even in the last few hours. I think we are very close to having TD5.
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1961. floridaboy14 19:14 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
Quoting Levi32:
This tropical wave way up northeast of 91L, north of 20N, is interesting, as it is following behind way up there creating a wave in the Azores High. It will be interesting to see whether the shortwave ridging generated ahead of the wave will keep 91L a nudge farther south as it enters the eastern Caribbean.


didnt even see that wave because its void o any convection due to the SAL and shear.. interesting solution although as you stated in your video the trough would pick it up more if it was stronger but a cat 1 in the NE carribean considered strong in your opinion?
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1962. robj144 19:15 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
Quoting floridaboy14:

first of all its not a fish storm. second there is NO 00000 gurantee that 91L recurves. its all about timing..


I'll ask one more time...Where did the term "recurve" come from? From the context of the discussions here, it seems to mean to turn out to sea. Isn't that just a curve out to sea? To "recurve" would imply it's already curving out to sea (or somewhere) and then curves again, thus recurving. Or does "recurve" mean something else?
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1963. wxgeek723 19:15 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
Quoting BrockBerlin:
I just pray that the system that will be named "Gert" whenever it occurs does no damage, I would hate to see somewhere get devastated by something called "Gert."


Well, stranger names have been retired.
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1964. WaterWitch11 19:15 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
Quoting jpsb:
Toronto, of course. But it's late and missed the earthquake and following Tsunami, but is there for the asteroid impact. Sadly no one listen to the net wizards that for told of this tragedy and Franklin died a needless death in the freezing cold north. When he could have been basking in the sunshine of Florida. Oh the shame of it all.
funny. And Emily will form and hopefully she will be kind.
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1965. Wunderwood 19:16 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
OMG! The parochial prognostication has started already i. e. "this thing has North Carolina written all over it" and " look out Jacksonville" Get a grip people!
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1966. NICycloneChaser 19:18 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
Quoting robj144:


I'll ask one more time...Where did the term "recurve" come from? From the context of the discussions here, it seems to mean to turn out to sea. Isn't that just a curve out to sea? To "recurve" would imply it's already curving out to sea (or somewhere) and then curves again, thus recurving. Or does "recurve" mean something else?


I think the term 'recurve' just came about because the storms are first coming from the sea, and when the turn around and head back, whilst it is only a curve as such, the term 'recurve' is used because it is going back to where it came from.
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1967. txjac 19:19 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
Quoting robj144:


I'll ask one more time...Where did the term "recurve" come from? From the context of the discussions here, it seems to mean to turn out to sea. Isn't that just a curve out to sea? To "recurve" would imply it's already curving out to sea (or somewhere) and then curves again, thus recurving. Or does "recurve" mean something else?


If I remember correctly there was a discussion about this last year as well ...I dont know if it was ever resolved or a good reason given
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1968. floridaboy14 19:19 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
Quoting robj144:


I'll ask one more time...Where did the term "recurve" come from? From the context of the discussions here, it seems to mean to turn out to sea. Isn't that just a curve out to sea? To "recurve" would imply it's already curving out to sea (or somewhere) and then curves again, thus recurving. Or does "recurve" mean something else?

there really means no difference and recurve basically suggests moving out of the way of a landmass or is pulled up by a trough
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1969. Orcasystems 19:19 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
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1970. wxgeek723 19:19 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
Quoting Wunderwood:
OMG! The parochial prognostication has started already i. e. "this thing has North Carolina written all over it" and " look out Jacksonville" Get a grip people!


Haha, welcome to WU!
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1971. WeatherNerdPR 19:19 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
Lookin' Good, Muifa.

Not too shabby either, 91L.
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1972. wolftribe2009 19:20 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
There is a reason for why I think the Islands of PR and Haiti might deter Emily's eventual path if she passes over them. I have noticed something with hurricanes over the last few years.

"hurricanes hate running into land"

The interaction with land often changes their direction entirely. What I mean is this: When the storm reaches PR and Haiti it will either curve north or west in order to move back over the warm water. Hurricanes have this odd "almost alive" pattern where they seek the quickest way off land. You see it in the Yucatan all the time as well. A storm will hit near Chetumal on the Yucatan and the WNW motion will be heading towards the area just west of Merida, MX but than the storm curves NW and comes off north east of Merida.

Hurricane Emily 0f 2005 is a GOOD example of this.

Link

You see the same thing in Florida a lot as you can see with Hurricane Katrina in 2005. The storm makes landfall near Miami moving westward but then cuts sharply WSW and moving back over the water.

Link

Bottom Line is this: 90% of Storms will always take the shortest route off islands and peninsulas.
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1973. FLWxChaser 19:20 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
The cart is full on 100 feet in front of this horse!

We have to get some good formation going before the models settle down - still a LONG ways to go.
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1974. cycleranger 19:20 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
Quoting Hurricanes101:
Impact on the Islands from this system is pretty high, that should be the main focus

all the rest afterwards is speculation and can change numerous times between now and 5 days from now


Exactly. What we're hoping for is a system that moves quickly pass the islands Northward. Up and Away toward our friendly trough.

Worst, in the short-term. A weaker system skirting the islands moving Westward to Hispaniola dumping rain & subsequently 'missing' the trough.

After that we're looking at quite a bit of dangerous uncertainty.
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1975. nrtiwlnvragn 19:20 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
Quoting robj144:


I'll ask one more time...Where did the term "recurve" come from? From the context of the discussions here, it seems to mean to turn out to sea. Isn't that just a curve out to sea? To "recurve" would imply it's already curving out to sea (or somewhere) and then curves again, thus recurving. Or does "recurve" mean something else?



Link
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1976. mcluvincane 19:21 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
Quoting txjac:



Jason, I think that we all know what your thoughts are for the system, no need to keep repeating yourself. You loose credibility when you do that. Earlier this season your posts were awesome, well documented and informative. People were responding positively to you.


LOL.. yesterday he was saying there was no way it would recurve
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1977. HadesGodWyvern 19:21 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
Japan Meteorological Agency
Tropical Cyclone Advisory #47
TROPICAL STORM NOCK-TEN (T1108)
3:00 AM JST July 31 2011
==========================================

SUBJECT: Category One Typhoon Overland Vietnam

At 18:00 PM UTC, Tropical Storm Nock-Ten (994 hPa) located at 19.1N 104.2E has 10 minute sustained winds of 35 knots with gusts of 50 knots. The cyclone is reported as moving west at 13 knots

Dvorak Intensity: Overland

Gale Force Winds
================
180 NM from the center in southeast quadrant
70 NM from the center in northwest quadrant

Forecast and Intensity
========================
24 HRS: 19.1N 99.0E - Tropical Depression (Overland Thailand)
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1978. JrWeathermanFL 19:22 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
On wunderground where the map shows the global storms and SSTs, I wonder what the highest number was. Their are 6 now.
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1979. tropicfreak 19:22 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
Quoting mcluvincane:


LOL.. yesterday he was saying there was no way it would recurve


Jason is a troll, put him on ignore. I have several of his handles on ignore.
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1981. wolftribe2009 19:22 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
Quoting wolftribe2009:
There is a reason for why I think the Islands of PR and Haiti might deter Emily's eventual path if she passes over them. I have noticed something with hurricanes over the last few years.

"hurricanes hate running into land"

The interaction with land often changes their direction entirely. What I mean is this: When the storm reaches PR and Haiti it will either curve north or west in order to move back over the warm water. Hurricanes have this odd "almost alive" pattern where they seek the quickest way off land. You see it in the Yucatan all the time as well. A storm will hit near Chetumal on the Yucatan and the WNW motion will be heading towards the area just west of Merida, MX but than the storm curves NW and comes off north east of Merida.

Hurricane Emily 0f 2005 is a GOOD example of this.

Link

You see the same thing in Florida a lot as you can see with Hurricane Katrina in 2005. The storm makes landfall near Miami moving westward but then cuts sharply WSW and moving back over the water.

Link

Bottom Line is this: 90% of Storms will always take the shortest route off islands and peninsulas.


They also seem to like bays and rivers too! Don showed you that when he made landfall in Baffin Bay instead of Borwnsville where the land juts out.
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1982. JRRP 19:23 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    

see you later
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1983. Patrap 19:23 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
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1984. overwash12 19:24 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
Way to early to tell whether or not it will affect the conus. It would be foolish to say otherwise!
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1985. GTcooliebai 19:24 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
Quoting jasonweatherman2011:
going out to sea with the fish!!
Not what the GFDL, NOGAPS, and CMC which is not on here is saying, has FL. written all over it.
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1986. Patrap 19:25 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
18z Early Cycle NHC model tracks
Invest91
Statistical/Simple Models (CLIPER,BAMs,LBAR,other Statistical Models)




Dynamic Models (More sophisticated models)




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1987. tropicfreak 19:25 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
Quoting wolftribe2009:


They also seem to like bays and rivers too! Don showed you that when he made landfall in Baffin Bay instead of Borwnsville where the land juts out.


Fay moved over water a lot, moved offshore, then inland, offshore then inland, etc.
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1988. SouthFLNative 19:25 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/catl/avn-l.jpg

NAM is taking a minimal hurricane just South of PR in 72-84 hours. I think Emily will be close to a Hurricane before it get to the Leeward islands. Kind of reminds me of David in 79'

http://www.stormpulse.com/hurricane-david-1979
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1989. drs2008 19:25 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
Quoting NICycloneChaser:


I think the term 'recurve' just came about because the storms are first coming from the sea, and when the turn around and head back, whilst it is only a curve as such, the term 'recurve' is used because it is going back to where it came from.
Similar to the term "near miss"
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1990. CybrTeddy 19:25 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
Healthy.
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1991. NICycloneChaser 19:26 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
The 500mb vorticity is still displaced slightly to the east of the 850mb vorticity due to some mid-level shear.

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1992. Patrap 19:27 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
Obi-wan,...that's no Moon


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1995. Nolehead 19:28 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
Quoting jasonweatherman2011:
invest 91L will go out to sea will not hit the east coast at all!!


It was this, then not going out to sea, then this again. Which one will it be Jason
?


was thinking the same thing....
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1996. robj144 19:28 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:



Link


Thanks... still doesn't make a whole lot of sense though. :)
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1997. YouCaneDoIt 19:28 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
Quoting BrockBerlin:
I just pray that the system that will be named "Gert" whenever it occurs does no damage, I would hate to see somewhere get devastated by something called "Gert."


Is this the U QB??
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1998. floridaboy14 19:29 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
Quoting CybrTeddy:
Healthy.

looks like a td although its still a little broad. definantly a td tomorrow after recon goes out
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1999. robj144 19:29 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
Quoting NICycloneChaser:


I think the term 'recurve' just came about because the storms are first coming from the sea, and when the turn around and head back, whilst it is only a curve as such, the term 'recurve' is used because it is going back to where it came from.


That's a decent answer... thanks.
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2000. midgulfmom 19:30 GMT le 30 juillet 2011    
Wolftribe2009, the path of least resistance... I believe there is some truth to that.
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