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Not a trace of Don; What's next?
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 19:41 GMT le 30 juillet 2011 +33
Don is dead

Tropical Storm Don, the fourth named storm of the 2011 season, made landfall near Baffin Bay, Texas yesterday evening around 10pm CDT in less-than-grand fashion. The storm was looking very weak for the 24 hours before landfall, but fizzled rapidly after landfall, and by early Saturday morning, there was barely a trace of the storm to show that it even existed in the first place.

NHC Hurricane Specialist Eric Blake probably said it best in this mornings 5am EDT discussion on the storm:

THE DON IS DEAD. THE CYCLONE LITERALLY EVAPORATED OVER TEXAS ABOUT
AS FAST AS I HAVE EVER SEEN WITHOUT MOUNTAINS INVOLVED. DON HAS NO
CONVECTION...MEAGER RAINFALL...AND ONLY A SLIGHT SIGNATURE IN
SURFACE OBSERVATIONS AND RADAR DATA. THEREFORE...THIS IS THE LAST
ADVISORY ON THIS SYSTEM.


Figure 1. Total precipitation accumulation for the storm, estimated by radar.

The heaviest rainfall was falling south of the storm's center yesterday, so it wasn't surprising that Brownsville saw the most rain, 0.63 inches. KBRO also recorded 18 mph wind gusts. But to the north of the center, where many of the media were located, not a drop of rain fell. Corpus Christi saw zero inches of rain, but did record gale-force wind gusts (39 mph). Harlingen, near Baffin Bay, and close to where the center made landfall, saw 0.20 inches of rain and 18 mph wind gusts. This storm did very, very little to relieve any drought conditions in Southern Texas. And so it continues.

What's next: Invest 91L continues to impress

Invest 91L, which is located near 12°N 48°W in the central Atlantic, continues to impress today, and has shown signs of more organization over the past 24 hours. 91L will probably develop into a tropical cyclone before it reaches the Lesser Antilles, so residents of these islands should remain watchful and prepared. Satellite loops show not only organized thunderstorm activity, but also the makings of a surface circulation. Something this wave has working against it right now is dry air—there's a large mass of Saharan air on the north and east sides of the system, which could at least prevent significant intensification. Also, University of Wisconsin CIMSS analysis shows some strong wind shear (30-40 knots) to the north of the wave. However, I don't expect this to prevent development of the wave. Wind shear out ahead of the system is relatively low (5-15 knots). Moisture is plenty high within the system, and sea surface temperatures are warm and toasty (28°C+) and will only get warmer as 91L moves west into the Caribbean.


Figure 2. Infrared satellite of invest 91L taken at 1:15pm EDT today.

Forecast for 91L
Most of the reliable forecast models (GFS, CMC, FIM, and the ECMWF) have come to agree that 91L will develop, however, they differ on how long-lived that will be. Some of the models are suggesting it will be a short-lived tropical cyclone, not making it out of the Caribbean alive, and some suggest that it will hold together and intensify as it moves north of the Caribbean islands. The forecast track for the system will most likely be to the northwest through the Caribbean, at which point it will take a northeast turn near the Bahamas, never reaching the U.S. coast. HWRF agrees with this track (and also brings the system to category 2 strength by August 3rd). However, there is still some uncertainty that the system could track west, south of the Caribbean islands, and potentially into the Gulf of Mexico. However, none of the models that suggest this solution actually show that the wave will be a tropical cyclone at that point.

The National Hurricane Center is giving this wave an 80% chance of developing into at least Tropical Depression Five over the next 48 hours. Chances are we will see Emily out of this system. A Hurricane Hunter mission is scheduled for tomorrow at 2pm EDT, but I wouldn't be totally surprised to see them call this system this evening, given the threat to the Lesser Antilles.

Watching a northwest Caribbean disturbance

A broad area of disturbed weather is producing some heavy thunderstorms in the northwest Caribbean, southeast of the Yucatan Peninsula. Little to no low-level circulation exists with this feature, and none of the models are picking up on it. The Hurricane Center has "blobbed" this item (as I like to say) with a "near 0%" chance of developing over the next 48 hours. This disturbance could cause major flooding in the region given the amount of thunderstorm activity, and predictability for systems like this (potential Bay of Cempeche tropical cyclones) is very low. Models have a short lead time on development, and they spin up very fast once they enter the Bay of Campeche given the favorable topography of the land surrounding it. The difference between this system, though, and one like Arlene, is that there is very, very little low level circulation already present. Pre-Arlene was a bit more organized before it crossed the Yucatan, and so it's hard to imagine that this disturbance will be able to hold together, should it get that far.

If 91L develops, I'll be back tomorrow with a post.

Angela
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5251. RitaEvac 03:23 GMT le 01 août 2011    
I dont know what the hell is going on with the models, but they absolutely suck this year, and I'm not listening to none of em
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5252. OUSHAWN 03:24 GMT le 01 août 2011    
If it doesn't consolidate pretty soon it will stay on it's west path and then you have to wonder if it will start pulling in some of the dry air off South America like I've seen many systems do in the past.
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5253. tiggeriffic 03:24 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Quoting rescueguy:
I believe Hugo was off the coast for a couple of days before being declared.


hugo left the African coast on 9-9-89
declared TD on 9-10-89, TS on 9-11-89, and a hurricane by 9-13-89
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5254. CaneHunter031472 03:25 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Quoting OUSHAWN:


I'm not even looking at the models until we actually have classification. Anyone remember what they models first showed Ike doing? I do...they had Ike moving north on the east side of Florida. Where did Ike end up? In my backyard when I lived in Clear Lake,Texas.


That's a great point you make. Models tend to be a bit unpredictable when it come to waves, because the steering pattern effect on them is not well defined yet. Remember the stronger the system, the higher the clouds and the better the steering effect will be, but in this case the fact that we do not have a storm formed yet is making steering prediction a bit tricky. Nevertheless if you do not count the GFDL or the HWRF, models such as the GFS or the ECMWF can prove useful, but not with a high confidence. We will have to sit and wait a bit longer to see what will finally happen with 91L. One thing is for sure, the longer it continue to move west the greater the chances for a US landfall.
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5255. Tropicsweatherpr 03:25 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Quoting Gearsts:
Levi do you think 91L wil hit PR?


I have that same question for him. We dont need more rain as plenty has fallen in 2011.
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5256. blsealevel 03:25 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Quoting LoveThemCanes:
If someone gets bored can you explain Dmax to me... Tried to google but didn't understand it fully.


warming of the upper atmosphere (mainly the thermosphere) by the Sun.
D-Min is the cooler temperature variations aloft.
D-Max is the warmer temperature variations aloft.

Link
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5257. PcolaDan 03:25 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Quoting hurricane23:


Dont like to speculate with long range forecasts but yes theres a slight possiblity. The key feature in my opinion based on GFS to watch for will be how long that brief period of ridging lasts will likely determine if we get a mainland US landfall or not. At this point its something to keep tabs on throughout the work week but nothing to get overly concerned about.


It also really depends what part of Florida. It's bigger than it seems. And depends on whether one is on the coast or inland.
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5258. WeatherNerdPR 03:26 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:


I have that same question.

So do I.
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5259. angiest 03:26 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Quoting RitaEvac:
I dont know what the hell is going on with the models, but they absolutely suck this year, and I'm not listening to none of em


GFS was horrid last year until Danielle, and then had a good run with those CV storms. We are just getting to the ramp-up part of the season, and model performance may improve.
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5261. TampaSpin 03:26 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Find it very funny the peeps that told me this morning how wrong i was about 91L being Open Low, I would have to start calling you WishCaster to evalutae 91L as you did this morning with all the facts i was showing to show a NON Closed LOw! And many wonder why many don't come back to this blog.
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5262. EYEStoSEA 03:26 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Quoting PcolaDan:


Geek LOL


think I'm too old to be a geek..lol..more like a visual junkie.....:O
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5263. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 03:27 GMT le 01 août 2011    
T.C.F.W.
91L/INV/XX
MARK
14.950N/54.86W
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5264. MeterologyStudent56 03:27 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Quoting RitaEvac:


Yep, Ike was supposed to go out to sea, then it was east coast and Florida, 91L may just take the southern route thru the Carribbean


I Doubt this will hit Texas.

Thats like saying that Tropical Storm in the Westren Gulf of Mexico would do an 180 and hit Florida
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5265. JLPR2 03:27 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Hmm... After seeing the 91L AVN loop for the 1,000th time I think it's center is at 15N 55W due to an interesting little band apparently wrapping around. 91L might end up shrinking.

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5266. stillwaiting 03:28 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Quoting hurricane23:
Believe this is coming together nicely tonight. Lots of time for the steering flow across the se US to change and the ridge to possible build back in to the north of the Bahamas beyond 5 days.We will likely see 91L slow down signifcantly and perhaps even stall in the Day 6-8 time period.

,i had mentioned the gfs forecast anomolies have higher pressures building over the northeast starting around second week of august,a jeanne like scenerio is not out of the question imo
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5267. FLPandhandleJG 03:28 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Quoting jasonweatherman2011:
u watch!! if invest 91L GO TO A TROPICAL STORM ALL THE models WILL MOVE BACK TO THE EAST AND OUT TO SEA!


Maybe like decent size tropical storm .. like near 60mph IMO .. I believe the stronger the storm the more of a turn it will do.. A weak of storm of near 50 could maintain its course.. Or could pull a surprise on us do w/e it wants to do.. lol
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5268. Gearsts 03:28 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Answer the puerto ricans! lol
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5269. RitaEvac 03:29 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Quoting MeterologyStudent56:


I Doubt this will hit Texas.

Thats like saying that Tropical Storm in the Westren Gulf of Mexico would do an 180 and hit Florida


That's exactly what they said about Ike, thanks for playing the bonehead
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5270. Skyepony (Mod) 03:29 GMT le 01 août 2011    
I'm back from my days in the forest & my other farm in WNC. A storm ripped the top 20' or so off a poplar tree. The trunk was 6" thick where it tore. It missed the tent by ~20'. Storm looked like it might get bad so we were at friends that has a house. I'll have to post a pic of it tomorrow. Kinda ironic after all my soap-boxing that tents won't protect campers from falling limbs & trees.

Kinda got caught up on the weather. Don sounded very much like the first invest through ECFL earlier this year..dehydrated on arrival. It did help break our drought in the long run.

As for 91L, the models aren't going so much with climo..
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5271. WeatherNerdPR 03:30 GMT le 01 août 2011    
How on Earth am I still awake at 11:30PM? Must be the Invest.
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5273. PcolaDan 03:30 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Quoting EYEStoSEA:


think I'm too old to be a geek..lol..more like a visual junkie.....:O


Never to old to be a geek. :)
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5274. TampaSpin 03:30 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Quoting RitaEvac:
I dont know what the hell is going on with the models, but they absolutely suck this year, and I'm not listening to none of em


NOTHING WRONG WITH THE MODELS.....they are doing just fine. People are really trying to read way to much in to them to see things they are wishing for. Don was a great example........Don was barely Don.....as the Models never really wanted to develop him as a Closed LOw. Storm never was an organized system just as the MOdels showed.

Invest 91L is doing just as the models have been saying when looking at the large Pic. Many are wishcasting plane and simple.
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5275. cyclonekid 03:31 GMT le 01 août 2011    
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5276. LoveThemCanes 03:31 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Quoting VAbeachhurricanes:


diurnal maximum is the time in the early morning usually around 5am-7am local time. This is when the atmosphere is the coolest, allowing the storm an easier time to grow thunderstorms due to the difference between the sea water and the upper atmosphere.

hope that helps!



Thanks! That I understood
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5277. DirtDan 03:31 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Quoting Levi32:
91L looks a lot more consolidated this evening, and should be a tropical depression tomorrow.



It looks like it's finally leaving the influence of the TUTT... Shear should be less of a problem now.......... With the wave in front of it the enviro should be quite moist as well.... I expect it will get it's act together this afternoon....... :o)
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5279. Hurricanes101 03:31 GMT le 01 août 2011    
I agree with Levi, seems the western area is fizzling out and the eastern circulation is becoming dominant, convection firing nicely over it and its still about 3-4 hours from DMIN.

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5280. TropicalAnalystwx13 03:32 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Quoting cyclonekid:


How about update the site tomorrow, since it has been forever :P

I'll do the fb page.
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5281. VAbeachhurricanes 03:32 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Quoting LoveThemCanes:



Thanks! That I understood


Of course anytime :)
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5282. Thundercloud01221991 03:32 GMT le 01 août 2011    
It would have to turn NNW right now for it to be a fish storm.. It will affect the islands regardless which makes it not a fish storm regardless of if it hits the United States.
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5283. wxhatt 03:33 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Interesting blob to the SE of 91L.

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5284. JLPR2 03:33 GMT le 01 août 2011    


Yellow!
Jeez I feel like Jason... XD
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5285. txjac 03:33 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Hey Skye, happy to see you back. Hope to see that picture soon
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5286. KoritheMan 03:33 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Quoting MeterologyStudent56:


I Doubt this will hit Texas.

Thats like saying that Tropical Storm in the Westren Gulf of Mexico would do an 180 and hit Florida


In Ike's case, it was because the synoptic pattern was very fragile. That seems to be the case with 91L too (not that I'm saying it's going to hit Texas, mind you).
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5287. PcolaDan 03:33 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Quoting MeterologyStudent56:


I Doubt this will hit Texas.

Thats like saying that Tropical Storm in the Westren Gulf of Mexico would do an 180 and hit Florida


Not so far fetched.

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5288. MeterologyStudent56 03:33 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Quoting stillwaiting:
,i had mentioned the gfs forecast anomolies have higher pressures building over the northeast starting around second week of august,a jeanne like scenerio is not out of the question imo




A Track West and a little South would make some sense...


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5289. grbobf 03:34 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Angela,
The post states (among other things):
"Harlingen, near Baffin Bay, and close to where the center made landfall, saw 0.20 inches of rain and 18 mph wind gusts."

FYI, Harlingen is approx. 25 miles north of Brownsville, and, 90 miles south of Baffin Bay. Kingsville, TX and Corpus Christi, TX are approx. 15 and 40 miles north of Baffin Bay, respectively; both closer to Baffin Bay than Harlingen is to Baffin Bay - although north of Baffin Bay as compared to Harlingen (south of Baffin Bay). Isn't geography - including geographical landmarks of importance in meterology - particularly in communicating to the LAY PUBLIC?

Best regards,
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5290. VAbeachhurricanes 03:34 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Quoting jasonweatherman2011:
the MODELS are having a hard time with invest 91L BECAUSE IT NO A TROPICAL D OR A TROPICAL STORM YET!! THE MODELS ARE MUCH BETTER THEN THERE IS A TROPICAL STORM !! MODELS ALLWAYS HAVE A HARD TIME WITH INVESTS ALL THE TIME


ive had enough, first person ever...
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5291. caneswatch 03:35 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Quoting doabarrelroll:

if it follows the models sofla is good. im not taking bets though


Me neither.
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5293. angiest 03:36 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Quoting MeterologyStudent56:


I Doubt this will hit Texas.

Thats like saying that Tropical Storm in the Westren Gulf of Mexico would do an 180 and hit Florida


You mean this?

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5294. TropicalAnalystwx13 03:36 GMT le 01 août 2011    
I fully expect TD #5/Emily at 11AM tomorrow morning.

Recon goes in at 8AM...Not getting up to track it, can't.
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5295. EricSFL 03:36 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Quoting JLPR2:


Yellow!
Jeez I feel like Jason... XD


You just need to include the "wow!!! look at 55 West!!!" starting at the bottom right edge of the image.
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5296. wxhatt 03:36 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Quoting VAbeachhurricanes:


ive had enough, first person ever...


Really, he is getting more annoying all the time.
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5297. Slamguitar 03:36 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Is the close proximity possibly to the ITCZ helping 91L pop more convection? In the latest WV frames, it looks like they started sharing moisture. The dry air between the two disappeared.
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5298. EYEStoSEA 03:37 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Quoting Skyepony:
I'm back from my days in the forest & my other farm in WNC. A storm ripped the top 20' or so off a poplar tree. The trunk was 6" thick where it tore. It missed the tent by ~20'. Storm looked like it might get bad so we were at friends that has a house. I'll have to post a pic of it tomorrow. Kinda ironic after all my soap-boxing that tents won't protect campers from falling limbs & trees.

Kinda got caught up on the weather. Don sounded very much like the first invest through ECFL earlier this year..dehydrated on arrival. It did help break our drought in the long run.

As for 91L, the models aren't going so much with climo..


Well, sure did miss your smiling face....sounds like you had one of those camping trips I've had in the past...full of drama....do post some pics :) Oh...and Don was a DUD...and 91L is getting on everyone's nerves !
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5299. TomTaylor 03:37 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Quoting futuremet:


Multiple vortices are not atypical in fluids. There are various factors that can induce multiple vortices. In the case of a tropical cyclone, it is primarily because most of the energy gets allocated into different areas of low pressure. This can happen if there are multiple dominant areas of low pressure. These types of phenomena are especially common in broad tropical systems.


P.S. I still regularly monitor this blog, but I can no longer post. I have been too busy lately. This might be my last post of the year.
Hey futuremet!

glad to see some people are returning (456 and future). If only we could get Drak to pop his head back in...
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5300. Slamguitar 03:37 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
I fully expect TD #5/Emily at 11AM tomorrow morning.

Recon goes in at 8AM...Not getting up to track it, can't.


EDT? or Z?
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5301. KoritheMan 03:37 GMT le 01 août 2011    
Quoting Slamguitar:
Is the close proximity possibly to the ITCZ helping 91L pop more convection? In the latest WV frames, it looks like they started sharing moisture. The dry air between the two disappeared.


No. 91L is becoming self-sustaining.
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