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Not a trace of Don; What's next?
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 19:41 GMT le 30 juillet 2011 +33
Don is dead

Tropical Storm Don, the fourth named storm of the 2011 season, made landfall near Baffin Bay, Texas yesterday evening around 10pm CDT in less-than-grand fashion. The storm was looking very weak for the 24 hours before landfall, but fizzled rapidly after landfall, and by early Saturday morning, there was barely a trace of the storm to show that it even existed in the first place.

NHC Hurricane Specialist Eric Blake probably said it best in this mornings 5am EDT discussion on the storm:

THE DON IS DEAD. THE CYCLONE LITERALLY EVAPORATED OVER TEXAS ABOUT
AS FAST AS I HAVE EVER SEEN WITHOUT MOUNTAINS INVOLVED. DON HAS NO
CONVECTION...MEAGER RAINFALL...AND ONLY A SLIGHT SIGNATURE IN
SURFACE OBSERVATIONS AND RADAR DATA. THEREFORE...THIS IS THE LAST
ADVISORY ON THIS SYSTEM.


Figure 1. Total precipitation accumulation for the storm, estimated by radar.

The heaviest rainfall was falling south of the storm's center yesterday, so it wasn't surprising that Brownsville saw the most rain, 0.63 inches. KBRO also recorded 18 mph wind gusts. But to the north of the center, where many of the media were located, not a drop of rain fell. Corpus Christi saw zero inches of rain, but did record gale-force wind gusts (39 mph). Harlingen, near Baffin Bay, and close to where the center made landfall, saw 0.20 inches of rain and 18 mph wind gusts. This storm did very, very little to relieve any drought conditions in Southern Texas. And so it continues.

What's next: Invest 91L continues to impress

Invest 91L, which is located near 12°N 48°W in the central Atlantic, continues to impress today, and has shown signs of more organization over the past 24 hours. 91L will probably develop into a tropical cyclone before it reaches the Lesser Antilles, so residents of these islands should remain watchful and prepared. Satellite loops show not only organized thunderstorm activity, but also the makings of a surface circulation. Something this wave has working against it right now is dry air—there's a large mass of Saharan air on the north and east sides of the system, which could at least prevent significant intensification. Also, University of Wisconsin CIMSS analysis shows some strong wind shear (30-40 knots) to the north of the wave. However, I don't expect this to prevent development of the wave. Wind shear out ahead of the system is relatively low (5-15 knots). Moisture is plenty high within the system, and sea surface temperatures are warm and toasty (28°C+) and will only get warmer as 91L moves west into the Caribbean.


Figure 2. Infrared satellite of invest 91L taken at 1:15pm EDT today.

Forecast for 91L
Most of the reliable forecast models (GFS, CMC, FIM, and the ECMWF) have come to agree that 91L will develop, however, they differ on how long-lived that will be. Some of the models are suggesting it will be a short-lived tropical cyclone, not making it out of the Caribbean alive, and some suggest that it will hold together and intensify as it moves north of the Caribbean islands. The forecast track for the system will most likely be to the northwest through the Caribbean, at which point it will take a northeast turn near the Bahamas, never reaching the U.S. coast. HWRF agrees with this track (and also brings the system to category 2 strength by August 3rd). However, there is still some uncertainty that the system could track west, south of the Caribbean islands, and potentially into the Gulf of Mexico. However, none of the models that suggest this solution actually show that the wave will be a tropical cyclone at that point.

The National Hurricane Center is giving this wave an 80% chance of developing into at least Tropical Depression Five over the next 48 hours. Chances are we will see Emily out of this system. A Hurricane Hunter mission is scheduled for tomorrow at 2pm EDT, but I wouldn't be totally surprised to see them call this system this evening, given the threat to the Lesser Antilles.

Watching a northwest Caribbean disturbance

A broad area of disturbed weather is producing some heavy thunderstorms in the northwest Caribbean, southeast of the Yucatan Peninsula. Little to no low-level circulation exists with this feature, and none of the models are picking up on it. The Hurricane Center has "blobbed" this item (as I like to say) with a "near 0%" chance of developing over the next 48 hours. This disturbance could cause major flooding in the region given the amount of thunderstorm activity, and predictability for systems like this (potential Bay of Cempeche tropical cyclones) is very low. Models have a short lead time on development, and they spin up very fast once they enter the Bay of Campeche given the favorable topography of the land surrounding it. The difference between this system, though, and one like Arlene, is that there is very, very little low level circulation already present. Pre-Arlene was a bit more organized before it crossed the Yucatan, and so it's hard to imagine that this disturbance will be able to hold together, should it get that far.

If 91L develops, I'll be back tomorrow with a post.

Angela
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801. prweatherwatcher 00:29 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:


How are things going down there in PR, do people know about 91L and are they preparing?
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:


How are things going down there in PR, do people know about 91L and are they preparing?





In watch mode! Most of the people left the preparations for the last moment.
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802. Tazmanian 00:31 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting HurricaneSwirl:


Meanwhile, here's wimpy ol' 91L:

30/2345 UTC 12.6N 48.8W T1.0/1.0 91L -- Atlantic

I don't really understand why satellite estimates on 91L have always been so low.

Before anyone yells at me for calling 91L wimpy, I was just joking :x


not sure whats see how 91L looks in the AM
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803. ryang 00:32 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Would Barbados be too far south to be put under a TS warning? Are is the system that large?
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804. washingtonian115 00:32 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting pottery:
Greetings all.
Is the season still a bust??
Oh yes it certainly is.I think we'll see a below average hurricane season.With 9 name storms.It certainly is.Lol.
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805. Tazmanian 00:32 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting weathermanwannabe:


Another interesting point; I don't remember this active of a season in both basins at the same time. Regardless of the timing of waves in the Atlantic, the ITCZ has been extremely active over the past two months.



but the E PAC had 4 hurricane with the 5th on the way it seems why we have had 4 name storms with no hurricanes
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806. Patrap 00:33 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
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807. Tazmanian 00:33 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting ryang:
Would Barbados be too far south to be put under a TS warning? Are is the system that large?



hello there have not seen you in some time
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808. BahaHurican 00:33 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting PORFIRIONOUEL:
Hi, everyone in the blog..Just a quick note: People refers to Haiti as the whole island of Hispaniola when posting here. The Hispaniola island is divided in two nations: The Dominican republic & Haiti. If a tropical cyclone should strike the island of Hispaniola, please make the distinction of where in the island it will or could strike.
thanks...
That's because MOST strikes on Hispaniola affect some part of both countries. Usually once a storm gets closer people will become more specific.
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809. SuperYooper 00:34 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting SavannahStorm:


1492? I guess Columbus used it to avoid storms when he was crossing the Atlantic...

:P


I submit three pieces of evidence.

August 3 – Christopher Columbus "sails the ocean blue" on his first journey across the Atlantic Ocean to Asia, but he ends up in the Americas

October 12 – Christopher Columbus' expedition makes landfall in the Caribbean and lands on Guanahani, but believes he has reached the East Indies.



Borrowed the chart from Dewey.

It took 33 days for CC to make it from Spain to the Americas, henceforth, he would have needed model support to make it around the storms since the chart was definately in existance at that time.

The defense rests. :P x 2
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811. stormwatcherCI 00:34 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
It's pouring in Grand Cayman now. Nothing is expected to develop from the wave in the western Caribbean but at least we are getting rain.
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812. hcubed 00:34 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting tiggeriffic:
Would love to know what happened to the "GROWN UPS" that were on here in the past...(tho some are still here)...the juvenile antics are becoming more prevelant and monotnous


Unfortunately, for the rest of us, the Doc may have to institute a "pay-for-play" policy.

Only those who have paid their money should be allowed to post.

As long as this forum is open to anyone who can continue to make multiple false e-mail addresses and multiple handles, the abuse will continue.

The good thing about WU is it is "live" - posts show up immediately. Makes it great for the alerts to get through.

But that light moderation also allows the trolls free entry, depending on the "community" to police the blog.

Sorry - /rant...
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813. Patrap 00:35 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
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814. CosmicEvents 00:36 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting pottery:
Greetings all.
Is the season still a bust??
Greetings Pottery.
We haven't decided on the season being a bust or not as yet, but the term "fish storms" is out. We've moved on to "mal vent pour la poisson" so as to not upset anyone. It sounds classier as well.
.
.
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815. TropicalAnalystwx13 00:36 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting ryang:
Would Barbados be too far south to be put under a TS warning? Are is the system that large?


One and if they initiate advisories, you'd probably be put under a TS watch, but probably not a warning.
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816. oceanblues32 00:36 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Hello all again just an interested lurker here.....Is it fair to say that i am not going to have to worry about 91 L because there will be a recurve live in the ft lauderdale area
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817. stormwatcherCI 00:37 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting hcubed:


Unfortunately, for the rest of us, the Doc may have to institute a "pay-for-play" policy.

Only those who have paid their money should be allowed to post.

As long as this forum is open to anyone who can continue to make multiple false e-mail addresses and multiple handles, the abuse will continue.

The good thing about WU is it is "live" - posts show up immediately. Makes it great for the alerts to get through.

But that light moderation also allows the trolls free entry, depending on the "community" to police the blog.

Sorry - /rant...
Which is the main reason many of us, in the Caribbean, during hurricane season come here.
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818. Cayman2010 00:37 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
It's pouring in Grand Cayman now. Nothing is expected to develop from the wave in the western Caribbean but at least we are getting rain.

Only light rain so far over in Camana Bay, but the lightning has just started up too.
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819. jonelu 00:38 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting jasonweatherman2011:
lots of dry air with invest 91LQuoting Patrap:

Awful lot of dry air....I wonder how well she will handle it...
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820. pottery 00:38 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting ryang:
Would Barbados be too far south to be put under a TS warning? Are is the system that large?

Ryang...
is that really you ???
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821. Tazmanian 00:39 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
96E





91L






some in too watch






oh wants too kiss my feet
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822. KoritheMan 00:39 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting oceanblues32:
Hello all again just an interested lurker here.....Is it fair to say that i am not going to have to worry about 91 L because there will be a recurve live in the ft lauderdale area


Most likely it will avoid Florida, but keep an eye on it just in case.
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823. weathermanwannabe 00:40 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting Tazmanian:



but the E PAC had 4 hurricane with the 5th on the way it seems why we have had 4 name storms with no hurricanes


True but 4 Atlantic storms (soon to be 5)nonetheless during the heart of the E-Pac season (and I don't have the article handy from this computer) but Klotzbach and company have noted in recent papers about the observed "inverse" relationship between the two basins (until now I suppose). I am not an expert on the MJO (nor have I looked at those charts recently) but so much activity in both Atlantic and E-Pac this year seems to go against the grain. Just a very interesting anomaly to me but I could not tell you the reasons why.

Perhaps Levi could give us his opinion on this issue/question............... :)
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824. FrankZapper 00:41 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Citizens along the East Coast of the US need to be especially vigilant concerning a possible approach of Hurricane Emily and the 2011 hurricane season in general. Because these areas have been relatively SPARED in recent years and there has been much new construction, it is IMPERATIVE that Plans are reviewed now. If you are a novice to hurricanes DO NOT PANIC! Watch your local TV and listen to your radio for possible orders. It is still early but now is a good time to prepare. Good luck!
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825. washingtonian115 00:41 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting KoritheMan:


Most likely it will avoid Florida, but keep an eye on it just in case.
Things can and will change.I not counting out anything until we have a well defined storms on our hands that the models can handle.And even then things can get tricky.
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826. KoritheMan 00:41 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting pottery:

Ryang...
is that really you ???


A blast from the past, for sure!
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827. IFuSAYso 00:41 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting SuperYooper:


I submit three pieces of evidence.

August 3 – Christopher Columbus "sails the ocean blue" on his first journey across the Atlantic Ocean to Asia, but he ends up in the Americas

October 12 – Christopher Columbus' expedition makes landfall in the Caribbean and lands on Guanahani, but believes he has reached the East Indies.



Borrowed the chart from Dewey.

It took 33 days for CC to make it from Spain to the Americas, henceforth, he would have needed model support to make it around the storms since the chart was definately in existance at that time.

The defense rests. :P x 2


But Dewey stole it from DJ.
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828. pottery 00:42 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting CosmicEvents:
Greetings Pottery.
We haven't decided on the season being a bust or not as yet, but the term "fish storms" is out. We've moved on to "mal vent pour la poisson" so as to not upset anyone. It sounds classier as well.
.
.

A good choice of term. Very classy, as you say.
A possible 5th named system before August 1st?
I can see why we are still undecided....

heheheh
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829. ryang 00:42 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting Tazmanian:



hello there have not seen you in some time


Hey Taz... long time indeed. We had some good times a while back.
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830. Tazmanian 00:42 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
bran new info in for 91L

AL, 91, 2011073100, , BEST, 0, 128N, 498W, 30, 1008, LO
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831. KoritheMan 00:42 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting washingtonian115:
Things can and will change.I not counting out anything until we have a well defined storms on our hands that the models can handle.And even then things can get tricky.


Yeah, the synoptic pattern is still up in the air, but the models have been coming in stronger with that trough today, which may increase the likelihood of recurvature. Still too early in the game, though. One thing I am relatively certain of is that we will not see the abundance of recurvatures this year that we saw last year.
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832. KoritheMan 00:43 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting FrankZapper:
Citizens along the East Coast of the US need to be especially vigilant concerning a possible approach of Hurricane Emily and the 2011 hurricane season in general. Because these areas have been relatively SPARED in recent years and there has been much new construction, it is IMPERATIVE that Plans are reviewed now. If you are a novice to hurricanes DO NOT PANIC! Watch your local TV and listen to your radio for possible orders. It is still early but now is a good time to prepare. Good luck!


+1
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833. pottery 00:43 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting KoritheMan:


A blast from the past, for sure!

Not the kind of question Ryang would ask though... ?
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834. HuracanTaino 00:43 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Some people were wondering why future Emily wont weak much if it crosses the Dominican Republic. The answer is that if it go through the eastern portion of the island, (the eastern side of DR) as it's shown in the model, the area of "Punta Cana", is almost as flat as Florida.
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835. floridaboy14 00:44 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting Tazmanian:
bran new info in for 91L

AL, 91, 2011073100, , BEST, 0, 128N, 498W, 30, 1008, LO

everything the same except it moved a little west and north right?
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836. stormwatcherCI 00:44 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting Cayman2010:

Only light rain so far over in Camana Bay, but the lightning has just started up too.
I haven't seen any lightning but I do hear thunder but in the distance.
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837. washingtonian115 00:44 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting Tazmanian:
96E





91L






some in too watch






oh wants too kiss my feet
That wave coming off of Africa is what the models develop.Now would you look at that?.The Atlantic caught up to the eastern pacific in just one month.Lol.How's that for a "slow" start?.This is 2008 all over again.
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838. TropicalAnalystwx13 00:45 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting Tazmanian:
bran new info in for 91L

AL, 91, 2011073100, , BEST, 0, 128N, 498W, 30, 1008, LO


That's not new, that's several hours old.
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839. palmpt 00:45 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
What is Joe B. Saying?
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840. washingtonian115 00:46 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting KoritheMan:


Yeah, the synoptic pattern is still up in the air, but the models have been coming in stronger with that trough today, which may increase the likelihood of recurvature. Still too early in the game, though. One thing I am relatively certain of is that we will not see the abundance of recurvatures this year that we saw last year.
But at the same time some of the models show a high building back in a pushing the storm back west.Some bloggers have also noted that invest 91L has slowed down.It all depends on timing here.
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841. KoritheMan 00:46 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting pottery:

Not the kind of question Ryang would ask though... ?


To be fair, it's been around four years. It is not unreasonable to assume he has changed since then, right? Just a wee bit?
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842. Tazmanian 00:46 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:


That's not new, that's several hours old.



no this update at 12:37AM if you go look and larn how too read it lol not being rude


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the one in the bold is the new info
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843. Patrap 00:46 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting palmpt:
What is Joe B. Saying?


Check @ weatherbell.com

Hes da chief Ding Dong there now
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844. Cayman2010 00:47 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
I haven't seen any lightning but I do hear thunder but in the distance.

Perfect view from the balcony - off to the south east
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845. barbadosjulie 00:47 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Hi Ryang..I'm asking the same thing
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846. TropicalAnalystwx13 00:47 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting Tazmanian:



no this update at 12:37AM if you go look and larn how too read it lol not being rude


invest_al912011.invest 3 KB 7/31/2010 12:37:00 AM


It says 2010...But it is the 2011 invest. Hmmm...ATCF mess-up.
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847. KoritheMan 00:48 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting washingtonian115:
But at the same time some of the models show a high building back in a pushing the storm back west.Some bloggers have also noted that invest 91L has slowed down.It all depends on timing here.


Yeah, that's why I said it was still up in the air. While the models have come in with a stronger trough today, that doesn't mean they will in subsequent runs.
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848. Levi32 00:48 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Very interesting....I think 91L's tropical wave is running away from it, based on visible satellite imagery before sunset. The main low-level vortex being called the center by ACTF is to the east, coupled (or nearly so) with the mid-level circulation. A 2nd vortex is off to the WSW, attached to the southern end of the tropical wave. The two features are becoming dissociated, with the tropical wave racing off to the west faster than the circulation which is being left behind. The secondary vortex attached to the wave is getting dragged along for the ride. The reason for this forward speed difference may lie in the fact that the surface winds (indicated by blue arrows) are much faster to the north, and since the tropical wave extended much farther north than the center of circulation, it has been pushed out ahead of it. This meridional trade wind gradient illustrates the strong cyclonic vorticity in the area, but the tropical wave decoupling from 91L's main low center may stall development, as the whole system is now more of a mess.

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849. FLWxChaser 00:49 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting Patrap:


Check @ weatherbell.com

Hes da chief Ding Dong there now


$17 a month to read his rants? His twitter storms are free.
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850. stormwatcherCI 00:49 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting floridaboy14:

everything the same except it moved a little west and north right?
No. Seems like direct west. Last co-ordinates were Location: 12.8 47.8W and now 12.8 49.8
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851. stormpetrol 00:49 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
It's pouring in Grand Cayman now. Nothing is expected to develop from the wave in the western Caribbean but at least we are getting rain.

Just checking in briefly but almost all weather stations active on the Island as I posted earlier suggest some sort of circulation close to us!
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Jeff co-founded the Weather Underground in 1995 while working on his Ph.D. He flew with the NOAA Hurricane Hunters from 1986-1990.

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