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Not a trace of Don; What's next?
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 19:41 GMT le 30 juillet 2011 +33
Don is dead

Tropical Storm Don, the fourth named storm of the 2011 season, made landfall near Baffin Bay, Texas yesterday evening around 10pm CDT in less-than-grand fashion. The storm was looking very weak for the 24 hours before landfall, but fizzled rapidly after landfall, and by early Saturday morning, there was barely a trace of the storm to show that it even existed in the first place.

NHC Hurricane Specialist Eric Blake probably said it best in this mornings 5am EDT discussion on the storm:

THE DON IS DEAD. THE CYCLONE LITERALLY EVAPORATED OVER TEXAS ABOUT
AS FAST AS I HAVE EVER SEEN WITHOUT MOUNTAINS INVOLVED. DON HAS NO
CONVECTION...MEAGER RAINFALL...AND ONLY A SLIGHT SIGNATURE IN
SURFACE OBSERVATIONS AND RADAR DATA. THEREFORE...THIS IS THE LAST
ADVISORY ON THIS SYSTEM.


Figure 1. Total precipitation accumulation for the storm, estimated by radar.

The heaviest rainfall was falling south of the storm's center yesterday, so it wasn't surprising that Brownsville saw the most rain, 0.63 inches. KBRO also recorded 18 mph wind gusts. But to the north of the center, where many of the media were located, not a drop of rain fell. Corpus Christi saw zero inches of rain, but did record gale-force wind gusts (39 mph). Harlingen, near Baffin Bay, and close to where the center made landfall, saw 0.20 inches of rain and 18 mph wind gusts. This storm did very, very little to relieve any drought conditions in Southern Texas. And so it continues.

What's next: Invest 91L continues to impress

Invest 91L, which is located near 12°N 48°W in the central Atlantic, continues to impress today, and has shown signs of more organization over the past 24 hours. 91L will probably develop into a tropical cyclone before it reaches the Lesser Antilles, so residents of these islands should remain watchful and prepared. Satellite loops show not only organized thunderstorm activity, but also the makings of a surface circulation. Something this wave has working against it right now is dry air—there's a large mass of Saharan air on the north and east sides of the system, which could at least prevent significant intensification. Also, University of Wisconsin CIMSS analysis shows some strong wind shear (30-40 knots) to the north of the wave. However, I don't expect this to prevent development of the wave. Wind shear out ahead of the system is relatively low (5-15 knots). Moisture is plenty high within the system, and sea surface temperatures are warm and toasty (28°C+) and will only get warmer as 91L moves west into the Caribbean.


Figure 2. Infrared satellite of invest 91L taken at 1:15pm EDT today.

Forecast for 91L
Most of the reliable forecast models (GFS, CMC, FIM, and the ECMWF) have come to agree that 91L will develop, however, they differ on how long-lived that will be. Some of the models are suggesting it will be a short-lived tropical cyclone, not making it out of the Caribbean alive, and some suggest that it will hold together and intensify as it moves north of the Caribbean islands. The forecast track for the system will most likely be to the northwest through the Caribbean, at which point it will take a northeast turn near the Bahamas, never reaching the U.S. coast. HWRF agrees with this track (and also brings the system to category 2 strength by August 3rd). However, there is still some uncertainty that the system could track west, south of the Caribbean islands, and potentially into the Gulf of Mexico. However, none of the models that suggest this solution actually show that the wave will be a tropical cyclone at that point.

The National Hurricane Center is giving this wave an 80% chance of developing into at least Tropical Depression Five over the next 48 hours. Chances are we will see Emily out of this system. A Hurricane Hunter mission is scheduled for tomorrow at 2pm EDT, but I wouldn't be totally surprised to see them call this system this evening, given the threat to the Lesser Antilles.

Watching a northwest Caribbean disturbance

A broad area of disturbed weather is producing some heavy thunderstorms in the northwest Caribbean, southeast of the Yucatan Peninsula. Little to no low-level circulation exists with this feature, and none of the models are picking up on it. The Hurricane Center has "blobbed" this item (as I like to say) with a "near 0%" chance of developing over the next 48 hours. This disturbance could cause major flooding in the region given the amount of thunderstorm activity, and predictability for systems like this (potential Bay of Cempeche tropical cyclones) is very low. Models have a short lead time on development, and they spin up very fast once they enter the Bay of Campeche given the favorable topography of the land surrounding it. The difference between this system, though, and one like Arlene, is that there is very, very little low level circulation already present. Pre-Arlene was a bit more organized before it crossed the Yucatan, and so it's hard to imagine that this disturbance will be able to hold together, should it get that far.

If 91L develops, I'll be back tomorrow with a post.

Angela
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3202. jdjnola 18:09 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting Comradez:
You can throw all of the latest model runs out because they have the center initialized way off base. The center is at 12 N, 57 W, rapidly approaching Barbados. This thing is gonna be farther west than all of the latest model runs. Could run into Hispanola or Cuba, or scoot underneath and shoot the gap into the gulf. It's gonna be too far south and west to get entirely caught by the trough.


You're right, there does appear to be a surface circulation at 12N57W. If anything, I think this could allow the blob to break away and run to the south. But I still think there is a circulation associated with what I'm calling Emily at 14N52W.
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3203. NICycloneChaser 18:09 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting amd:


I tend to agree, the winds found by recon make no sense for a supposed LLC northeast of where recon is currently. Winds should be northwest where recon is flying, not to the east.

I think the MLC is currently weakening, and a LLC may try to form on the easternmost side of the blob to the west of what is currently 91L. JMO.


The plane is still too far from the centre to be finding winds representative of a circulation.
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3204. DFWjc 18:09 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting aquak9:

OMG, I thought I was the only one who watched Archer.


Awesome show, makes ya pay attention, but not quite as funny as some the weather guys reporting on these storms this season...
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3205. floridaboy14 18:10 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
so you guys think 91L is a bust?
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3206. stormpetrol 18:11 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
the center to me is clear at 13.3N/53W and i think this will be upgraded to TS Emily, jmo
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3207. Gearsts 18:11 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting floridaboy14:
so you guys think 91L is a bust?
LOL
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3208. Gorty 18:11 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting Hurricanes101:


oh so you mean like Katrina did?

Yea that makes us feel better lol


Not saying if this could pull a Katrina, we should wait 12 hours from now to see if there is anything left of our invest.
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3209. Dakster 18:11 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting floridaboy14:
any new info from the hurricane hunters?


Yes, but not enough to make any decisions yet.
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3210. palmbaywhoo 18:11 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting floridaboy14:
so you guys think 91L is a bust?

Here we go.....
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3211. jpsb 18:11 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting Hurricanes101:


The NHC has been saying its getting better organized for 2 days now
I wonder what is killing these invests out there, that seems to be the theme so for this year, ideas? Could we have a lot of descending air? Doesn't seem like dry air, doesn't seem like shear so the only other thing I can think of is descending air preventing tstorm tops from rising high into the atmosphere.
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3212. hurricanehunter27 18:12 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting stormpetrol:
the center to me is clear at 13.3N/53W and i think this will be upgraded to TS Emily, jmo
SAME!
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3213. DFWjc 18:12 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting Gorty:


Not saying if this could pull a Katrina, we should wait 12 hours from now to see if there is anything left of our invest.


I was thinking 24-36 hours...when it's a little closer
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3214. IceCoast 18:12 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting floridaboy14:
any new info from the hurricane hunters?

No new HDOB's the past 15 minutes.
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3215. ncstorm 18:12 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
are there no long range model runs for NOGAPS and CMC on the weekend?

12Z NOGAPS

Link
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3217. NICycloneChaser 18:13 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting floridaboy14:
so you guys think 91L is a bust?


People automatically go into downcast mode when the NHC don't classify something immediately. It is very rare for the NHC to put 100% on something that then doesn't form. Recon will be in the centre within the hour, we'll find out how good 91L really is then.
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3218. Patrap 18:13 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Lemme speak to a NHC supervisor!!

Okay,,supervisor is Great!!,

..."Transfer, transfer, transfer,


Hello, my name is Peggy..
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3219. Gorty 18:13 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting DFWjc:


I was thinking 24-36 hours...when it's a little closer


Ya never know, in 12 hours the dry air and whatever else weakening 91L could win out by then.
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3221. Chicklit 18:14 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
I cannot remember any invest being at 100% for 2 advisories.
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3222. Gorty 18:15 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting NICycloneChaser:


People automatically go into downcast mode when the NHC don't classify something immediately. It is very rare for the NHC to put 100% on something that then doesn't form. Recon will be in the centre within the hour, we'll find out how good 91L really is then.


I did not base it on the NHC. I based it on visual presentation of the system only and what other people had been saying.. And if the NHC does upgrade it it, it is only because of the HH. The reason is below and I posted the below earlier:

Let's all be honest here. 91L never truly got a well defined center. 91L always looked ragged and very non-cyclone like. Convection was never good with the system.

If this thing becomes anymore than an invest it is because of the HH. But if we all saw this before HH even started to fly into cyclones, this thing will just remain an invest and then just potentially die out (or become a TD/TS at a much future date), then form into something a few days later.
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3223. gulfbreeze 18:15 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting Gorty:


Ya never know, in 12 hours the dry air and whatever else weakening 91L could win out by then.
You are NUTS!!
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3225. Hurricanes101 18:15 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting NICycloneChaser:


People automatically go into downcast mode when the NHC don't classify something immediately. It is very rare for the NHC to put 100% on something that then doesn't form. Recon will be in the centre within the hour, we'll find out how good 91L really is then.


Have you thought that maybe this time their thoughts are founded?

Not saying this is a bust, or that it is RIP, but to me 91L is not as impressive as it once was. The area is large, elongated and now that the wave has moved out ahead of 91L like Levi said last night, there is not enough energy for both. Until one area dissipates or gets eaten by the other, not much will happen with 91L
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3226. IceCoast 18:15 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Recon obviously having some technical difficulty's today. Still waiting on next set of HDOBS.
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3227. RitaEvac 18:16 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Ridge building over east coast, if anything were to develop it's going westbound,
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3228. taco2me61 18:16 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting Patrap:
Lemme speak to a NHC supervisor!!

Okay,,supervisor is Great!!,

..."Transfer, transfer, transfer,


Hello, my name is Peggy..


"Peggy" oooookkkkkkkkk Peggy.....


Now thats funny for sure while I'm getting Moutain Dew off my Laptop....

Taco :o)


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3229. NICycloneChaser 18:16 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting Gorty:


I did not base it on the NHC. I based it on visual presentation of the system only. And if the NHC does upgrade it it, it is only because of the HH. The reason is below and I posted this earlier:

Let's all be honest here. 91L never truly got a well defined center. 91L always looked ragged and very non-cyclone like. Convection was never good with the system.

If this thing becomes anymore than an invest it is because of the HH. But if we all saw this before HH even started to fly into cyclones, this thing will just remain an invest and then just potentially die out (or become a TD/TS at a much future date), then form into something a few days later.


What evidence do you have that 91L does not have a well defined centre?
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3230. Tazmanian 18:16 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
As of the last dropsonde at 17:09Z, the plane's...

Location: 88 miles (142 km) to the WNW (292°) from Nassau, Ba
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3231. dmaddox 18:16 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting Chicklit:
I cannot remember any invest being at 100% for 2 advisories.
this is the 3rd i believe...
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3232. MississippiWx 18:16 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
I would be highly surprised if the NHC upgrades 91L to a tropical depression or Emily at 4pm. We still have dueling vorticies, but it looks like the Eastern-most one is about to win out, which it should. Look closely at visible loops and you can see the western circulation being dragged out from underneath the convection and headed towards the eastern circulation. It's a pretty complex scenario out there where the actual surface wave ran out ahead of the surface low that formed. The tropical wave formed a low level circulation on its Southern end and has been competing with the main low for a while now.

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3233. amd 18:17 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting jpsb:
I wonder what is killing these invests out there, that seems to be the theme so for this year, ideas? Could we have a lot of descending air? Doesn't seem like dry air, doesn't seem like shear so the only other thing I can think of is descending air preventing tstorm tops from rising high into the atmosphere.


it's also still the end of July so the central Atlantic high is still strong, which means there is SAL from Africa entering into the picture. In this case, I honestly think it is not as much dry air or shear, but there is just simply too many competing vorticies from an entity that is moving too fast to consolidate at one spot. Fast movement which is not allowing for consolidating is another aspect of the strong central Atlantic high.
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3234. shadoclown45 18:17 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting Gorty:


I did not base it on the NHC. I based it on visual presentation of the system only. And if the NHC does upgrade it it, it is only because of the HH. The reason is below and I posted the below earlier:

Let's all be honest here. 91L never truly got a well defined center. 91L always looked ragged and very non-cyclone like. Convection was never good with the system.

If this thing becomes anymore than an invest it is because of the HH. But if we all saw this before HH even started to fly into cyclones, this thing will just remain an invest and then just potentially die out (or become a TD/TS at a much future date), then form into something a few days later.


Whatever you're smoking I want some of it.
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3235. philliesrock 18:17 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
12z Euro at 102 hours has a weak surface reflection north of Hispaniola, where 0z had the island eating up the storm.
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3236. nrtiwlnvragn 18:17 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting IceCoast:
Recon obviously having some technical difficulty's today. Still waiting on next set of HDOBS.


Seems whenever another type of obs is transmitted, HDOB is lost. Recent one from another Air Force plane in the Bahamas released a dropsonde. Previous, the invest plane sent a RECCO
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3237. palmbaywhoo 18:18 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting Chicklit:
I cannot remember any invest being at 100% for 2 advisories.

I seem to recall 1 or 2 EPAC systems.
I think 2 years ago maybe
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3238. SavannahStorm 18:18 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting Tazmanian:
As of the last dropsonde at 17:09Z, the plane's...

Location: 88 miles (142 km) to the WNW (292°) from Nassau, Ba


LOL, that's a different mission.
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3239. Patrap 18:18 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting taco2me61:


"Peggy" oooookkkkkkkkk Peggy.....


Now thats funny for sure while I'm getting Moutain Dew off my Laptop....

Taco :o)




Sowwy bout dat taco.. : )
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3240. CybrTeddy 18:18 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Sometimes its best not to get hanged up on the IR as it sometime does not tell the complete story.. visible shows 91L is primed for a convection blowup soon with spiral banding increasing.


Good Divergence.


Some convergence.

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3241. NICycloneChaser 18:18 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting dmaddox:
this is the 3rd i believe...


Yep, 3rd in a row.
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3242. Gearsts 18:18 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting MississippiWx:
I would be highly surprised if the NHC upgrades 91L to a tropical depression or Emily at 4pm. We still have dueling vorticies, but it looks like the Eastern-most one is about to win out, which it should. Look closely at visible loops and you can see the western circulation being dragged out from underneath the convection and headed towards the eastern circulation. It's a pretty complex scenario out there where the actual surface wave ran out ahead of the surface low that formed. The tropical wave formed a low level circulation on its Southern end and has been competing with the main low for a while now.

Link to that loop?
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3243. farhaonhebrew 18:19 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting Chicklit:
I cannot remember any invest being at 100% for 2 advisories.
since 2am :(...
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3244. Gorty 18:19 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting NICycloneChaser:


What evidence do you have that 91L does not have a well defined centre?


lack of convection, lack of well defined spin, and could have more than one center like what others have eluded to.

I am going to lower the chances down to 60% (down from the NHC) of development.
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3245. Patrap 18:19 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
The Bahamas Flight is the NOAA G-4 I do believe.
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3246. NICycloneChaser 18:19 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting CybrTeddy:
Sometimes its best not to get hanged up on the IR as it sometime does not tell the complete story.. visible shows 91L is primed for a convection blowup soon with spiral banding increasing.


Good Divergence.


Some convergence.



Sums things up well. 91L displaying some banding and some outflow, more obvious spin last few frames too. I;d expect convection to begin to increase shortly.
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3247. Tazmanian 18:20 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting SavannahStorm:


LOL, that's a different mission.


oh ok
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3248. MississippiWx 18:20 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting Gearsts:
Link to that loop?
Link
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3249. WxLogic 18:20 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
FLIGHT TWO -- NOAA 49
A. 01/0000Z
B. NOAA9 02EEA SURV
C. 31/1730Z
D. NA
E. NA
F. 41,000 TO 45,000 FT

Is out there off FL making drops (surveillance flight).
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3250. CybrTeddy 18:21 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
91L needs to become Emily today if we're to have a more active pre-August than 2008.
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3251. Yamil1989 18:21 GMT le 31 juillet 2011    
Quoting Patrap:
Lemme speak to a NHC supervisor!!

Okay,,supervisor is Great!!,

..."Transfer, transfer, transfer,


Hello, my name is Peggy..



ROFl!!! That was a good one AJAAeajaja!
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