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Remnants of Emily could redevelop; Muifa batters Okinawa; Central U.S. roasts
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 16:54 GMT le 05 août 2011 +24
Tropical Storm Emily degraded into an open tropical wave yesterday afternoon, after Hurricane Hunters could no longer locate a center of circulation at the surface. Through the morning yesterday, the storm appeared to lose most of its strong thunderstorm activity on the north side, and mid-level circulation was broad (tropical cyclones need a tight, coherent circulation to maintain themselves). Soon after the Hurricane Hunters took a pass through the storm, the National Hurricane Center demoted Emily from a tropical storm to a remnant low, while continuing to stress the rainfall threat to Hispaniola and eastern Cuba. Today it appears the center of the remnants are located just north of eastern Cuba in the southern Bahamas, although thunderstorm activity continues across eastern Cuba. Hispaniola probably saw rain and thunderstorms again early this morning, the strongest of which were on the eastern side of the island. New thunderstorm activity is starting to develop in the southeast Bahamas. Given Wednesday's rain gauge analysis from CPC, Hispaniola probably saw at least an additional 5 inches of rain yesterday.

Environmental conditions remain pretty much the same as yesterday, but are expected to become more favorable for Emily's remnants, and redevelopment of the storm is possible. Circulation from the low to mid-levels is still broad and tilting to the east with height due to the lingering moderate westerly wind shear. However, this shear is expected to dissipate some over the next 24 hours, and signs of this are already present to the west of the remnants. The dry air that has been following the storm since its inception has dissipated, as well.


Figure 1. Satellite imagery of the remnants of Tropical Storm Emily as they move northwest away from Cuba and Hispaniola and into the Bahamas.

Forecast for Emily's Remnants
Interestingly, the models have come into better agreement on the forecast for former Emily now that it has lost its surface circulation and degenerated into a tropical wave. The ECMWF, which has come out ahead in this forecasting game so far, is optimistic today that Emily will redevelop. Other global models—GFS, CMC, and FIM—also redevelop the storm. Consensus on timing of redevelopment seems to be when the wave reaches the northern Bahamas in 24 to 48 hours. At 12Z (8am EDT), the high-resolution HWRF model run forecasted a track that was furthest to the west of all the models, scraping eastern Florida as it travels northwest. The most probable track and intensity forecast that I see at this point is north-northwest movement over the next 24 to 36 hours, at which point the system will take a fairly sharp turn to the northeast and out to sea. Without an already established, coherent circulation, it appears unlikely that if Emily is reborn it will intensify into anything more than a moderate tropical storm. However, there is some potential as the system moves out to see that it could gain some strength and develop hurricane-force winds before it transitions into an extra-tropical cyclone.

Typhoon Muifa passes to the south of Okinawa, heads into East China Sea

The center of Typhoon Muifa passed to the south of Okinawa earlier this morning (Eastern time) and it continues to batter the islands with high winds and torrential rain. Local radar estimate rainfall rates as high as 80 mm/hour (approx. 3 inches/hour) in the strongest rain bands. Kadena Air Force Base near the city of Okinawa has been reporting sustained winds of 47 mph with gusts up to 72 mph. Muifa is expected to turn northwest today as it enters the East China Sea as a category 1 on the Saffir-Simpson scale, and then intensify into a category 2 as it passes close to eastern China. This morning, the forecast is that Muifa will probably not make landfall anywhere as a typhoon.


Figure 2. Radar imagery from the Japan Meteorological Agency around 1am JST. Scale is in millimeters. Highest rainfall rates appear to be approximately 3 inches/hour.

South-Central U.S. continues to bake

The extreme heat continues again today after 269 high maximum and 250 high minimum temperature records were set yesterday, 19 and 29 of which were all-time records, respectively. 206 of yesterday's records were 110°F or higher. Yesterday, Reuters was reporting that Texas was one power plant shutdown away from rolling blackouts. The forecast today doesn't look any better. Heat index values up to 125° are forecast in eastern Texas and the Lower Mississippi Valley.

Particularly toasty heat index values from yesterday:

• Mobile, Alabama: 120°
• Arkadelphia, Arkansas: 121°
• Bay St. Louis, Mississippi: 121°
• Memphis, Tennessee: 122°


Figure 3. Heat index forecast from the ECMWF for today. Scale is in degrees Fahrenheit. You can plot model forecasts using Wundermap by choosing the "Model Data" layer.

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2001. robj144 05:43 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting HurricaneKing:


I've just been looking through my notes and I've noticed something that Im going to change very soon. NONE of my profs have taught us that answer. I could tell you why a mid lat cyclone strengthens through temperature gradients but I can't tell you about a hurricane. My theory would be the gain in heat energy increases the overall kinetic energy which increases the velocity of the overall storm but thats just a random guess at 1:41 am. Im now saddened and realizing more and more I need a school that focusus on the tropics.


Thanks, but do you know what loses angular momentum though? If the storm gains angular momentum, something else must lose it. To me it would have to be the Earth somehow.
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2002. Grothar 05:44 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting stillwaiting:
darn,no cookie???,any kool aid left atleast???,lol


Hence, your name! :)
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2003. FrankZapper 05:45 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting robj144:


Some advice... do not meet Vincenzo. He does the NHC, shall we say, "security". His Ph. D. is in financial analysis... pure evil.
Darn, before our meeting he was going to treat me to a meal at The Olive Garden!
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2004. Grothar 05:46 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting ProgressivePulse:



Remily has been a seventy percenter her whole life if you think about it.


Remily? LOl You have got to submit that to the NHC. It could be a new form of naming ex-storms.
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2006. JLPR2 05:46 GMT le 06 août 2011    
One closed isobar isn't much of a system but at least the Nogaps sees it.


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2007. robj144 05:47 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting FrankZapper:
Darn, before our meeting he was going to treat me to a meal at The Olive Garden!


He wants to sell you a credit default swap? Don't do it.
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2008. ecflweatherfan 05:47 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Too late... 60% chance of development now
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2010. stillwaiting 05:48 GMT le 06 août 2011    
ex-emily drifts towards the keys tomorrow??
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2011. robj144 05:49 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting HurricaneKing:


I've just been looking through my notes and I've noticed something that Im going to change very soon. NONE of my profs have taught us that answer. I could tell you why a mid lat cyclone strengthens through temperature gradients but I can't tell you about a hurricane. My theory would be the gain in heat energy increases the overall kinetic energy which increases the velocity of the overall storm but thats just a random guess at 1:41 am. Im now saddened and realizing more and more I need a school that focusus on the tropics.


By the way, the storm does gain energy by the release of latent heat from the condensing water vapor. So your guess is correct. You've been paying attention during class.
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2012. ProgressivePulse 05:49 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting Grothar:


Remily? LOl You have got to submit that to the NHC. It could be a new form of naming ex-storms.



ME: YEAH, I work at the NHC.

MR.SMITH: Cool, what do you do there?

ME: I rename dead storms, pretty cool huh?
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2013. 786 05:50 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting CybrTeddy:


Given that we're exactly on the same amount of name storms that 2008 is on, a neutral ENSO year, and the way the high is set up.. I would say 2008 is perhaps the best analog year.


Hmm 2008 did and up having some Caribbean cruisers, and brought us gustav and paloma, this year seems like 2010 with systems moving N before the western Caribbean
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2014. VAbeachhurricanes 05:50 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting Grothar:




HA I got the most cookies!
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2015. Grothar 05:50 GMT le 06 août 2011    
SATELLITE IMAGERY AND SURFACE OBSERVATIONS INDICATE THAT THE
THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY ASSOCIATED WITH THE REMNANTS OF TROPICAL
STORM EMILY HAS CHANGED LITTLE IN ORGANIZATION DURING THE PAST
SEVERAL HOURS. IN ADDITION...THE SURFACE WIND CIRCULATION HAS
BECOME LESS WELL DEFINED...AND THE SURFACE PRESSURES ARE RELATIVELY
HIGH IN THE AREA. UPPER-LEVEL WINDS ARE CONDUCIVE FOR SOME
DEVELOPMENT...AND A TROPICAL DEPRESSION COULD STILL FORM DURING THE
NEXT DAY OR TWO AS THE SYSTEM MOVES TOWARD THE NORTHWEST OR NORTH
AT 10 TO 15 MPH. THIS SYSTEM HAS A HIGH CHANCE...60 PERCENT...OF
REGENERATING INTO A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS. AN
AIR FORCE RESERVE UNIT RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT IS SCHEDULED TO
INVESTIGATE THE SYSTEM LATER TODAY...IF NECESSARY. INTERESTS IN THE
CENTRAL AND NORTHWESTERN BAHAMAS SHOULD MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF
THIS SYSTEM. REGARDLESS OF DEVELOPMENT...THIS DISTURBANCE WILL
PRODUCE GUSTY WINDS AND LOCALLY HEAVY RAINFALL OVER PORTIONS OF THE
CENTRAL AND NORTHWESTERN BAHAMAS TODAY.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

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2016. HurricaneKing 05:53 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting robj144:


By the way, the storm does gain energy by the release of latent heat from the condensing water vapor. So your guess is correct. You've been paying attention during class.


Was skimming the internets and this site looks the touch on the answer some. It seems to be saying that because a storms is at a lower pressure than the surroundings the surrounding air tries to rush into to fill it in. This is based on The ageostrophic wind theory. If the circulation is strong enough it turns this tangental air into angular velocity. Or geostrophic wind that is in balance. Again this is me speculating at now 1:51am after being up since 6am so my brain is beginning to shut down.
Link
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2017. FrankZapper 05:54 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting robj144:


He wants to sell you a credit default swap? Don't do it.
Oh, he is one of those Wall Street Gordon Gecko types. And to think all I wanted to streamline the NHC, save the taxpayers some $ and get our rating back to AAA.
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2018. jonelu 05:55 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting stillwaiting:
ex-emily drifts towards the keys tomorrow??
NHC says NW to N..so I dont think the keys are going to feel anything from this system.
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2019. robj144 06:01 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting HurricaneKing:


Was skimming the internets and this site looks the touch on the answer some. It seems to be saying that because a storms is at a lower pressure than the surroundings the surrounding air tries to rush into to fill it in. This is based on The ageostrophic wind theory. If the circulation is strong enough it turns this tangental air into angular velocity. Or geostrophic wind that is in balance. Again this is me speculating at now 1:51am after being up since 6am so my brain is beginning to shut down.
Link


Thanks, but that link is incredibly hard to follow. It also doesn't mention latent heat either. Appreciate the effort though.
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2020. robj144 06:02 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting FrankZapper:
Oh, he is one of those Wall Street Gordon Gecko types. And to think all I wanted to streamline the NHC, save the taxpayers some $ and get our rating back to AAA.


It was a great attempt though.
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2021. Levi32 06:05 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting robj144:


Maybe you can answer a question someone brought up the other day that I tried to answer, but couldn't figure it out exactly. When a storm first forms, it gets its spin from the Coriolis force. This force creates a torque which imparts angular momentum to the storm and the Earth loses some angular momentum. As the storm gets stronger by acting as a heat engine and extracting energy from the latent heat of water vapor, it appears to gain angular momentum. What does it gain angular momentum from? Another words what other member of the system loses angular momentum? Is it the Earth still through friction?


The hurricane gains angular momentum from the increase in average angular velocity generated by steeper air pressure gradients, due to the latent heat release. Since hurricanes do not form on the equator, some of their vorticity occurs about the Earth's axis, and thus the Earth must lose some angular momentum to satisfy the law of conservation of angular momentum.

You could also think about this: If the hurricane has a uniform wind field and the Earth's surface beneath it has a constant coefficient of friction, then the westerlies on the southern side of the storm exert a greater torque on the Earth than the easterlies do on the northern side, because the distance from the Earth's axis of rotation is greater on the south side of the storm. Thus, under the conditions above, the net effect is a gain in angular momentum of the atmosphere, which requires a decrease in the AM of the Earth.
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2022. robj144 06:08 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting Levi32:


The hurricane gains angular momentum from the increase in average angular velocity generated by steeper air pressure gradients, due to the latent heat release. Since hurricanes do not form on the equator, some of that angular momentum occurs about the Earth's axis, and thus the Earth must lose some angular momentum to satisfy the law of conservation of angular momentum.


That's what I thought, but what is the coupling force between them? Another words the angular momentum must be transferred by a force or a torque. Is it some sort of friction between the storm and the Earth.
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2023. ecflweatherfan 06:08 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Perhaps the reason the LLC is not as defined, per the NHC, as earlier is because it is trying to relocate under ther heavier convection near Andros Island... which STILL happens to be moving WEST.
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2024. robj144 06:09 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting Levi32:


The hurricane gains angular momentum from the increase in average angular velocity generated by steeper air pressure gradients, due to the latent heat release. Since hurricanes do not form on the equator, some of its vorticity occurs about the Earth's axis, and thus the Earth must lose some angular momentum to satisfy the law of conservation of angular momentum.

You could also think about this: If the hurricane has a uniform wind field and the Earth's surface has a constant coefficient of friction beneath it, then the westerlies on the southern side of the storm exert a greater torque on the Earth than the easterlies do on the northern side, because the distance from the Earth's axis of rotation is greater on the south side of the storm. Thus, under the conditions above, the net effect is a gain in angular momentum of the atmosphere, which requires a decrease in the AM of the Earth.


Thanks! What you just added answered in my question.
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2025. Levi32 06:10 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting robj144:


That's what I thought, but what is the coupling force between them? Another words the angular momentum must be transferred by a force or a torque. Is it some sort of friction between the storm and the Earth.


Correct. That is why the Earth and its atmosphere are considered as one system.
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2026. oceanbug 06:12 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Went out to find Aurora. Found clouds. Found raindrops. No fancy dancing lights.
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2027. robj144 06:13 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting Levi32:


Correct. That is why the Earth and its atmosphere is considered one system.


Also, on average, the Earth's rotation is not affected that much because in the southern hemisphere, cyclones rotate opposite so the integrated affect of all cyclones on the Earth is about zero, correct?
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2028. robj144 06:15 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting robj144:


Also, on average, the Earth's rotation is not affected that much because in the southern hemisphere, cyclones rotate opposite so the integrated effect of all cyclones on the Earth is about zero, correct?
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2029. robj144 06:16 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Meant to modify my comment and quoted it by accident.
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2030. Levi32 06:17 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting robj144:


Also, on average, the Earth's rotation is not affected that much because in the southern hemisphere, cyclones rotate opposite so the integrated affect of all cyclones on the Earth is about zero, correct?


It changes. The atmosphere's total angular momentum is always fluctuating. A product from ESRL tracks it with NCEP reanalysis data. AAM is instrumental in observing changes in the ENSO, which occurs along the equator and has a large effect on the total AAM.

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2031. robj144 06:18 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting Levi32:


It changes. The atmosphere's total angular momentum is always fluctuating. A product from ESRL tracks it with NCEP reanalysis data. AAM is instrumental in observing changes in the ENSO, which occurs along the equator and has a large effect on the total AAM.



Ok, but if you integrate the last graph it's about zero.
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2032. Levi32 06:19 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting robj144:


Ok, but if you integrate the last graph it's about zero.


Posted the wrong one by accident lol. That one wasn't total AAM. This one integrates to a negative number (fixed in original post).
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2033. robj144 06:20 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting Levi32:


Posted the wrong one by accident lol. That one wasn't total AAM.


Damn... it's not zero anymore. :) What about over a longer time period though... like five or ten years?
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2034. robj144 06:23 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Also, what angular momentum is that? Is that around the Earth's spin axis?
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2035. Levi32 06:24 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting robj144:


Damn... it's not zero anymore. :) What about over a longer time period though... like five or ten years?


Again we see a large period of fluctuation with embedded noise. This is likely due to the Pacific Decadal Oscillation. Notice the increased AAM from 1976-2005, consistent with a positive PDO and thus increased westerlies at the equator, yielding greater AAM.

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2036. Levi32 06:26 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting robj144:
Also, what angular momentum is that? Is that around the Earth's spin axis?


I don't see why they would use any other axis of rotation. The maps I posted were anomaly maps based on the average, which is always positive, which is consistent with the Earth's axis being the one in use here.
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2037. robj144 06:27 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting Levi32:


Again we see a large period of fluctuation with embedded noise. This is likely due to the Pacific Decadal Oscillation. Notice the increased AAM from 1976-2005, consistent with a positive PDO and thus increased westerlies at the equator, yielding greater AAM.



Thanks... it looks like it integrates pretty close to zero though. Also, this looks a plot of the AAA anomaly. How is the anomaly defined? With respect to the some average angular momentum?
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2038. Levi32 06:29 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting robj144:


Thanks... it looks like it integrates pretty close to zero though. Also, this looks a plot of the AAA anomaly. How is the anomaly defined? With respect to the some average angular momentum?


The anomaly is defined with respect to the 1968-1997 climatology. Given this, the integration of the graph will naturally be close to zero.
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2039. robj144 06:29 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting Levi32:


I don't see why they would use any other axis of rotation. The maps I posted were anomaly maps based on the average, which is always positive, which is consistent with the Earth's axis being the one in use here.


Well for instance, the angular momentum of a hurricane would come from two axis. One about the center of the hurricane and one from it's movement around the surface of the Earth. The total angular momentum from the hurricane is not parallel or anti-parallel with the angular momentum axis for the Earth... it's skewed due to the component normal to the Earth from it's spin around it's center or eye.
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2040. robj144 06:30 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting Levi32:


The anomaly is defined with respect to the 1968-1997 climatology. Given this, the integration of the graph will naturally be close to zero.


Thanks again. You're like an encyclopedia. :)
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2041. Levi32 06:31 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting robj144:


Well for instance, the angular momentum of a hurricane would come from two axis. One about the center of the hurricane and one from it's movement around the surface of the Earth. The total angular momentum from the hurricane is not parallel or anti-parallel with the angular momentum axis for the Earth... it's skewed due to the component normal to the Earth from it's spin around it's center or eye.


Yes, but that hurricane has a certain angular momentum relative to the Earth's axis, and that is what is factored into the maps I posted. It is the entire vertically-integrated AAM about the Earth's axis, for the entire atmosphere, hurricanes and all.
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2042. FrankZapper 06:31 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting Levi32:


Correct. That is why the Earth and its atmosphere are considered as one system.
But it may be more complex than one uniform system. You have an interface between air and water and also land at times.
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2043. Levi32 06:32 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting robj144:


Thanks again. You're like an encyclopedia. :)


I'm just citing the info that they have on their page for their product :P
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2044. TomTaylor 06:32 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Interesting discussion, thanks guys

Wish I understood it all a little better though
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2045. Levi32 06:34 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting FrankZapper:
But it may be more complex than one uniform system. You have an interface between air and water and also land at times.


Yes, and the friction/drag constants obviously change everywhere. The entire Earth and the fluid atmosphere around it are considered one system. The Earth's surface won't be uniform, but the entire glob is considered as one entity. And then, nothing is a fully isolated system as long as we are within the universe, of course. It's darn close for practical purposes, though, as they apply to meteorology.
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2046. robj144 06:35 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting Levi32:


Yes, but that hurricane has a certain angular momentum relative to the Earth's axis, and that is what is factored into the maps I posted. It is the entire vertically-integrated AAM about the Earth's axis, for the entire atmosphere, hurricanes and all.


Do you know how the other component of the angular momentum is conserved, due to the spin of the hurricane about its center? Since you're here, I figure I'd ask. :)
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2047. robj144 06:37 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting Levi32:


Yes, and the friction/drag constants obviously change everywhere. The entire Earth and the fluid atmosphere around it are considered one system. The Earth's surface won't be uniform, but the entire glob is considered as one entity. And then, nothing is a fully isolated system as long as we are within the universe, of course. It's darn close for practical purposes, though, as they apply to meteorology.


Believe me... it's an excellent approximation.
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2048. FrankZapper 06:39 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Now I have a question about the atmosphere and storms of Jupiter. WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON THERE?

jk
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2049. Levi32 06:39 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting robj144:


Do you know how the other component of the angular momentum is conserved, due to the spin of the hurricane about its center? Since you're here, I figure I'd ask. :)


I'm sure you know that you could pick any arbitrary axis in the universe for which to calculate the hurricane's angular momentum relative to that axis. As I mentioned earlier, since hurricanes do not form exactly on the equator, some of their angular momentum is always about the earth's axis, which is balanced by a loss in AM from the Earth itself. Here, we are just applying the law of conservation of angular momentum to the earth-atmosphere system about the Earth's axis of rotation. We could pick the hurricane's axis of rotation for the entire earth-atmosphere system instead, and still apply the law, and come out with exactly the same results.
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2050. ecflweatherfan 06:40 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Link

Am I seeing the LLC and MLC finally beginning to become vertically stacked near/over Andros Island? Kinda appears that way, with the LLC slightly to the SW of the MLC... decent convection around it and looking on the IR2 channel, it seems to be bringing itself together a little more with good spiraling around the circulation. Anyone with a take on this like to explain or correct me if I am wrong.
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2051. Yamil1989 06:45 GMT le 06 août 2011    
Quoting ecflweatherfan:
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Am I seeing the LLC and MLC finally beginning to become vertically stacked near/over Andros Island? Kinda appears that way, with the LLC slightly to the SW of the MLC... decent convection around it and looking on the IR2 channel, it seems to be bringing itself together a little more with good spiraling around the circulation. Anyone with a take on this like to explain or correct me if I am wrong.


Yes is is becoming very interesting to see how it is quite well organizing a this time, as you said, I see some convection trying to get going around that area and moving to the west, lets see what the visible image shows on the mroning.
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