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Two African waves that may develop
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 16:59 GMT le 10 août 2011 +41
Hello everyone, it's Jeff Masters back with you again after a long stretch of vacation. Now that the peak part of hurricane season is upon us, I'll be with you every day for the next few months, in what promises to be an unusually active Atlantic hurricane season. We've got several threats to talk about today, most notably a strong African wave near 12.5°N 30.5°W, about 400 miles west-southwest of the Cape Verde Islands. This system, dubbed Invest 92L by NHC, is moving west to west-northwest at 10 - 15 mph, and has the potential to develop into a tropical depression or tropical storm before arriving near the northern Lesser Antilles Islands early next week. Recent visible satellite loops show that 92L is beginning to develop a surface circulation, and heavy thunderstorms are slowly building along the western edge of the center. However, a separate area of heavy thunderstorms lies 400 miles to the east, just south of the Cape Verde Islands, and this blob is interfering with consolidation of the center near the blob of heavy thunderstorms at 30.5°W. Water vapor satellite loops show that a large area of dry air from Africa lies just to the west of 92L, but the atmosphere in the immediate vicinity of 92L is moist, so dry air is currently not a problem for the storm. The SHIPS model is diagnosing low shear, 5 - 10 knots, over 92L, but the University of Wisconsin CIMSS analysis shows that moderate shear of 10 - 20 knots is affecting 92L. Sea surface temperatures are 26.5° - 27°C, which is very close to the 26.5°C threshold usually needed to support a tropical storm.


Figure 1. Noon satellite photo of Invest 92L.

Forecast for 92L
Low to moderate wind shear of 5 - 15 knots is predicted along 92L's path over the coming three days, which should allow the storm to steadily organize, assuming it can shut out any incursions of dry air that might intrude. The latest 00Z and 06Z model runs of the four best models for predicting tropical storm formation (GFS, ECMWF, NOGAPS, and UKMET) show little or no development of 92L, and NHC gave 92L just a 20% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Friday morning in their 8am outlook. Given the recent improvement in the satellite appearance of 92L, I would put these odds at 30%. A steady west to west-northwest motion for 92L is predicted by all of the models, which would put the storm in the vicinity of the northern Lesser Antilles Islands by Sunday. On Saturday and Sunday, 92L is expected to enter a region where an upper-level low pressure system will bring high wind shear of 20 knots to the storm, which should slow development. This upper-level low is also expected to turn 92L more to the northwest, so the storm may pass north of the Lesser Antilles. It is too early to know if 92L will recurve out to sea and potentially threaten Bermuda, or continue to the northwest towards the U.S. East Coast.


Figure 2. NASA MODIS image taken at 10:40am EDT 8/10/11 of the tropical wave emerging from the coast of Africa. The GFS model is predicting this system will develop into a tropical storm early next week. Image credit: NASA.

Tropical wave emerging from the coast of Africa
A strong tropical wave currently emerging from the coast of Africa near 8°N has a modest amount of spin and heavy thunderstorm activity associated with it, and has the potential to develop early next week once it moves past the Cape Verde Islands. The GFS model has been developing this system into a tropical storm in several of its recent runs. A westerly track towards the Lesser Antilles is expected by the GFS model.

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1051. Dennis8 02:33 GMT le 11 août 2011    
The folks talking about "trolls" and ignore buttons need to check their EGO and IF they would spend MORE time talking about tropical weather that would not bother them...that being said... the tropics are heating up AND we had our 9th day above 100degrees in Houston.

I have a meteorology degree so I stay above the fray of it all...
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1052. gugi182 02:34 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Since the record breaking 2005 season let's see how the season was doing so far up to this date. (Aug.10.2011) let's see how many storms had form so far.

2005: 4 HURRICANES 5 TROPICAL STORMS
2006: 0 HURRICANE 4 TROPICAL STORMS
2007: 1 HURRICANES 3 TROPICAL STORMS
2008: 2 HURRICANES 3 TROPICAL STORMS
2009: 0 HURRICANE 1 TROPICAL STORM
2010: 1 HURRICANE 2 TROPICAL STORMS
2011: 0 HURRICANE 5 TROPICAL STORMS

IF WE SEE UP TO THIS DAY IN THE HURRICANE SEASON:



2005: 9 STORMS
2008: 5 STORMS
2011: 5 STORMS
2007: 4 STORMS
2006: 4 STORMS
2010: 3 STORMS
2009: 1 STORM

IF WE SEE I'M PREDICTING WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A SEASON SIMILAR AS THE 2008 SEASON WHERE THEY HAD 16 STORMS 8 HURRICANES AND 5 MAJOR HURRICANES AND IT WAS A VERY ACTIVE HURRICANE SEASON. So you guys understand this what do you guys think about this search i made. SO IT LOOK LIKES 2011 HAS JUST WOKE UP WE SHALL SEE.
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1053. NCHurricane2009 02:34 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting bohonkweatherman:
Several have said the same thing.


What does the 18Z GFS show? now I am curious....

Quoting tropicalweather2011x:
that is the center


I guess the blob to the NW of the center then is some mid-level rotation, that NW blob looks really good.
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1054. Matt74 02:35 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting weathermanwannabe:


Thanks and appreciate it; I am about a mid-grade poster but still have a long way to go.....I have learned a lot from Dr. M and the really good folks on here over the years and have the basics down pretty well thanks to the sharing of knowledge.....This season will provide quite the learning curve from the look of things as we will have lots of storms and "x" factors to consider over the next two months (SAL/Possible La Nina transition late in the season/etc. and the list goes on and on)...You never stop learning every year.
Well i just didn't want you to stop posting good info and your opinion because you as well as several others on here have great insight as to whats going on. Keep up the good work my friend.
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1055. caneswatch 02:35 GMT le 11 août 2011    
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1056. angiest 02:36 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting NCHurricane2009:


What does the 18Z GFS show? now I am curious....



I guess the blob to the NW of the center then is some mid-level rotation, that NW blob looks really good.

It says we are all DOOM.

That is not far from the truth, as it shows Florida, the SE US, and the eastern GOM getting hit by two strong hurricanes doing the Fujiwara.
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1058. reedzone 02:37 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Soooo .. What did I say this morning... :P

Models have shifted west.. Sorry but you cannot have a storm go out to sea in a BLOCKING PATTERN
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1059. Stormchaser2007 02:37 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Certainly not loosing it's punch.

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1061. Grothar 02:38 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting P451:


Well, it's somewhere in there LOL, I came across it's quoted version at #601

Here's a direct link to the model run.





P451, here is a better one.

Link
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1062. yesterway 02:38 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting Dennis8:
The folks talking about "trolls" and ignore buttons need to check their EGO and IF they would spend MORE time talking about tropical weather that would not bother them...that being said... the tropics are heating up AND we had our 9th day above 100degrees in Houston.

I have a meteorology degree so I stay above the fray of it all...


That was refreshing Dennis, thank you. It's good to have another professional in-house. Where did study meteorology?
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1063. tiggeriffic 02:38 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting P451:


Well, it's somewhere in there LOL, I came across it's quoted version at #601

Here's a direct link to the model run.



all i can say is WHAT?!?! i mean really? i have seen some loop de loops in my time but that was just rediculous...i watched it like 5 times, slowed it down, etc...thought my eyes were playing tricks on me
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1064. HurricaneHunterJoe 02:39 GMT le 11 août 2011    
hi everybody,tropics heating up as usual for the time frame.
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1065. Matt74 02:40 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting Dennis8:
The folks talking about "trolls" and ignore buttons need to check their EGO and IF they would spend MORE time talking about tropical weather that would not bother them...that being said... the tropics are heating up AND we had our 9th day above 100degrees in Houston.

I have a meteorology degree so I stay above the fray of it all...
So if the high stays in place then we are safe from anything tropical here in se texas? thanks
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1066. Stormchaser2007 02:41 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting reedzone:
Soooo .. What did I say this morning... :P

Models have shifted west.. Sorry but you cannot have a storm go out to sea in a BLOCKING PATTERN


Almost two weeks away from the CONUS.

Wouldn't pat yourself on the back yet.

Things change.

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1067. Tazmanian 02:41 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting P451:
AL, 92, 2011081100, , BEST, 0, 127N, 314W



That's got a lot of work to do....




how evere the nhc could move the center too the S
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1068. ProgressivePulse 02:42 GMT le 11 août 2011    
2 comments of mine we're removed, both directly related to the weather and the topic of the blog? Seems like someone is abusing their buttons, it doesn't make sense.
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1069. reedzone 02:43 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:


Almost two weeks away from the CONUS.

Wouldn't pat yourself on the back yet.

Things change.



Wasn't gonna.. just proving my point from this morning. The "fish" people were out in full force.
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1070. flwthrfan 02:44 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting tiggeriffic:


all i can say is WHAT?!?! i mean really? i have seen some loop de loops in my time but that was just rediculous...i watched it like 5 times, slowed it down, etc...thought my eyes were playing tricks on me


It is wild! But...also very far away and we all know how that changes things lol!
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1071. weathermanwannabe 02:44 GMT le 11 août 2011    
One storm at a time and each is a learning curve but I definitely need to take a course/get a book on geophysical fluid-dynamics before I get to the next level (which may take some some time with a wife/kids/day job/mortgage/dog..etc); it might have to wait until my retirement........... :)
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1072. yesterway 02:45 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting reedzone:


Wasn't gonna.. just proving my point from this morning. The "fish" people were out in full force.


So fish people in the mornings and drama queens in the evenings?
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1073. reedzone 02:45 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Now watch the models flip east :P
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1074. Grothar 02:46 GMT le 11 août 2011    
93L

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1076. tiggeriffic 02:47 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting flwthrfan:


It is wild! But...also very far away and we all know how that changes things lol!


that had to be a blurb...i mean...had to...one storm comes in, skirts the coast going ne...slams on the brakes, while the second one puts on the brakes too, so the first one can put it in reverse, go back to the south, and the second one continues as if nothing happened...i mean the chances of that seems as remote as a cat 5 hurricane hitting at the same time as a tsunami during a lunar high tide...
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1077. weathermanwannabe 02:47 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting ProgressivePulse:
2 comments of mine we're removed, both directly related to the weather and the topic of the blog? Seems like someone is abusing their buttons, it doesn't make sense.


I thought it was really odd with mine this morning too; I actually got a response from Angela Fritz on my comment then my post got removed......Will just stick to the weather from now on.......
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1078. Grothar 02:47 GMT le 11 août 2011    
92L Models still have the WNW movement due to the expected trough.

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1079. aislinnpaps 02:48 GMT le 11 août 2011    
well, off to bed, morning comes a bit too early the last few days. I have a feeling each evening after work and each morning I wake up will have new surprises.
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1080. ncstorm 02:48 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Whose sticking around for the next run for the GFS at 11:30?
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1081. SLU 02:48 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting gugi182:
Since the record breaking 2005 season let's see how the season was doing so far up to this date. (Aug.10.2011) let's see how many storms had form so far.

2005: 4 HURRICANES 5 TROPICAL STORMS
2006: 0 HURRICANE 4 TROPICAL STORMS
2007: 1 HURRICANES 3 TROPICAL STORMS
2008: 2 HURRICANES 3 TROPICAL STORMS
2009: 0 HURRICANE 1 TROPICAL STORM
2010: 1 HURRICANE 2 TROPICAL STORMS
2011: 0 HURRICANE 5 TROPICAL STORMS

IF WE SEE UP TO THIS DAY IN THE HURRICANE SEASON:



2005: 9 STORMS
2008: 5 STORMS
2011: 5 STORMS
2007: 4 STORMS
2006: 4 STORMS
2010: 3 STORMS
2009: 1 STORM

IF WE SEE I'M PREDICTING WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A SEASON SIMILAR AS THE 2008 SEASON WHERE THEY HAD 16 STORMS 8 HURRICANES AND 5 MAJOR HURRICANES AND IT WAS A VERY ACTIVE HURRICANE SEASON. So you guys understand this what do you guys think about this search i made. SO IT LOOK LIKES 2011 HAS JUST WOKE UP WE SHALL SEE.


2008 was a really bad year and anything similar to that could be devastating.
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1082. Tazmanian 02:48 GMT le 11 août 2011    
i see 92L at 10N 30W
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1083. angiest 02:49 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting tiggeriffic:


that had to be a blurb...i mean...had to...one storm comes in, skirts the coast going ne...slams on the brakes, while the second one puts on the brakes too, so the first one can put it in reverse, go back to the south, and the second one continues as if nothing happened...i mean the chances of that seems as remote as a cat 5 hurricane hitting at the same time as a tsunami during a lunar high tide...


The first storm seemed to stall, and as the second approached they did the Fujiwara. Those motions look correct in that setup.
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1085. nola70119 02:49 GMT le 11 août 2011    
That quiet ened fast......impressive start to the CV season.
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1086. Stormchaser2007 02:50 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting ProgressivePulse:
2 comments of mine we're removed, both directly related to the weather and the topic of the blog? Seems like someone is abusing their buttons, it doesn't make sense.


That's what happens when someone like Jason gets 20+ handles.

I'm amazed non of the admins have caught on.
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1087. Tazmanian 02:50 GMT le 11 août 2011    
eeek the gulf water tempers are hot
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1088. HurricaneHunterJoe 02:52 GMT le 11 août 2011    
my comments went fro like 800 to 0, is that a reflection on the viability of my comments?? lol
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1089. Tazmanian 02:53 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:


That's what happens when someone like Jason gets 20+ handles.

I'm amazed non of the admins have caught on.



in fac they have



look at this


Link
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1090. xcool 02:53 GMT le 11 août 2011    
AL, 93, 2011081100, , BEST, 0, 101N, 173W, 20, 1011, DB
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1092. angiest 02:53 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting HurricaneHunterJoe:
my comments went fro like 800 to 0, is that a reflection on the viability of my comments?? lol


Did you set up your wunderblog?
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1093. tiggeriffic 02:54 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting angiest:


The first storm seemed to stall, and as the second approached they did the Fujiwara. Those motions look correct in that setup.


not what i saw...i put it in super slow motion...the first one got to about the SC/NC boarder, stalled the second, the first hit reverse and went back to the south and across FL into the GOM then the second one started back in...
Link
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1095. tropicfreak 02:54 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting CybrTeddy:


? You do realize 2010 had its first major in late August? 19 named. 2010 is the perfect example of why people have to be patient.


2004 sets an even better example.
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1096. BaltimoreBrian 02:54 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting aislinnpaps:


Most unless military will think casualties are fatalities.


True, sometimes I forget how non-military think.
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1097. JLPR2 02:55 GMT le 11 août 2011    
93L's spin becoming evident, 92L's getting stronger.


Link
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1098. ProgressivePulse 02:55 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:


That's what happens when someone like Jason gets 20+ handles.

I'm amazed non of the admins have caught on.


I didn't respond to an WU mail of his the other day. First time I've ever had a comment removed, lol. That could get annoying real fast.
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1099. HurricaneHunterJoe 02:55 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting angiest:


Did you set up your wunderblog?
yup,so i could add some moron to ignore.
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1100. tropicalweather2011x 02:55 GMT le 11 août 2011    
only moving at 9 mph!
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1101. ackee 02:56 GMT le 11 août 2011    
I see we 92L and 93L notice model treanding more WEST with both syatem I think both system may be the first real threat to land this seasons for me 93L looks like carrb system 92L will be close for thE us EAST coast OR BERUMDA guess we see hope I am wrong
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