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Two African waves that may develop
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 16:59 GMT le 10 août 2011 +41
Hello everyone, it's Jeff Masters back with you again after a long stretch of vacation. Now that the peak part of hurricane season is upon us, I'll be with you every day for the next few months, in what promises to be an unusually active Atlantic hurricane season. We've got several threats to talk about today, most notably a strong African wave near 12.5°N 30.5°W, about 400 miles west-southwest of the Cape Verde Islands. This system, dubbed Invest 92L by NHC, is moving west to west-northwest at 10 - 15 mph, and has the potential to develop into a tropical depression or tropical storm before arriving near the northern Lesser Antilles Islands early next week. Recent visible satellite loops show that 92L is beginning to develop a surface circulation, and heavy thunderstorms are slowly building along the western edge of the center. However, a separate area of heavy thunderstorms lies 400 miles to the east, just south of the Cape Verde Islands, and this blob is interfering with consolidation of the center near the blob of heavy thunderstorms at 30.5°W. Water vapor satellite loops show that a large area of dry air from Africa lies just to the west of 92L, but the atmosphere in the immediate vicinity of 92L is moist, so dry air is currently not a problem for the storm. The SHIPS model is diagnosing low shear, 5 - 10 knots, over 92L, but the University of Wisconsin CIMSS analysis shows that moderate shear of 10 - 20 knots is affecting 92L. Sea surface temperatures are 26.5° - 27°C, which is very close to the 26.5°C threshold usually needed to support a tropical storm.


Figure 1. Noon satellite photo of Invest 92L.

Forecast for 92L
Low to moderate wind shear of 5 - 15 knots is predicted along 92L's path over the coming three days, which should allow the storm to steadily organize, assuming it can shut out any incursions of dry air that might intrude. The latest 00Z and 06Z model runs of the four best models for predicting tropical storm formation (GFS, ECMWF, NOGAPS, and UKMET) show little or no development of 92L, and NHC gave 92L just a 20% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Friday morning in their 8am outlook. Given the recent improvement in the satellite appearance of 92L, I would put these odds at 30%. A steady west to west-northwest motion for 92L is predicted by all of the models, which would put the storm in the vicinity of the northern Lesser Antilles Islands by Sunday. On Saturday and Sunday, 92L is expected to enter a region where an upper-level low pressure system will bring high wind shear of 20 knots to the storm, which should slow development. This upper-level low is also expected to turn 92L more to the northwest, so the storm may pass north of the Lesser Antilles. It is too early to know if 92L will recurve out to sea and potentially threaten Bermuda, or continue to the northwest towards the U.S. East Coast.


Figure 2. NASA MODIS image taken at 10:40am EDT 8/10/11 of the tropical wave emerging from the coast of Africa. The GFS model is predicting this system will develop into a tropical storm early next week. Image credit: NASA.

Tropical wave emerging from the coast of Africa
A strong tropical wave currently emerging from the coast of Africa near 8°N has a modest amount of spin and heavy thunderstorm activity associated with it, and has the potential to develop early next week once it moves past the Cape Verde Islands. The GFS model has been developing this system into a tropical storm in several of its recent runs. A westerly track towards the Lesser Antilles is expected by the GFS model.

Jeff Masters
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1101. ackee 02:56 GMT le 11 août 2011    
I see we 92L and 93L notice model treanding more WEST with both syatem I think both system may be the first real threat to land this seasons for me 93L looks like carrb system 92L will be close for thE us EAST coast OR BERUMDA guess we see hope I am wrong
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1102. angiest 02:56 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting HurricaneHunterJoe:
yup,so i could add some moron to ignore.


Apparently that resets comments.
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1103. tropicfreak 02:56 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting fishboyjfv:


Hey, looks like the these systems will go out to swim with the fish


Uh oh taz JFV is back.
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1104. ProgressivePulse 02:57 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting JLPR2:
93L's spin becoming evident, 92L's getting stronger.



Sure is, at the end of the image 92L starts to twist up the image too, lol.
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1105. ackee 02:57 GMT le 11 août 2011    
question is its possblie for 92L centre to form futher south where convection is now ?
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1106. weathermanwannabe 02:58 GMT le 11 août 2011    
1992 is an even better example; first storm in mid-to-late August (Andrew) was all that was needed in a below-average season........
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1107. Tazmanian 02:59 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting ackee:
question is its possblie for 92L centre to form futher south where convection is now ?



thats what am seeing it i think its at 10N and 30W but the nhc dos not see it yet
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1109. Tazmanian 02:59 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting tropicfreak:


Uh oh taz JFV is back.



yup he been poofed



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1110. angiest 03:00 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting tiggeriffic:


not what i saw...i put it in super slow motion...the first one got to about the SC/NC boarder, stalled the second, the first hit reverse and went back to the south and across FL into the GOM then the second one started back in...
Link


I think we see the same thing, :)
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1111. MiamiHurricanes09 03:00 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting Grothar:
93L

Looks like a much more zonal flow will be in place for 93L.

Kind of reminds me of the whole Earl-Fiona scenario that happened last year when Earl was forecast to curve out to sea and Fiona was the 'real threat' to the states. Never materialized.
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1112. CybrTeddy 03:01 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:


Almost two weeks away from the CONUS.

Wouldn't pat yourself on the back yet.

Things change.



Bingo.

We have no real idea what the conditions or patterns will be even 3 days out, much less two weeks out. Right now its all speculation, we don't know what to expect. That trough, as mentioned, is going to be quick to move out. Timing is key. No one can say with 100% certainty 92L & 93L will be a US storm or a fish, or if they even will develop.
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1113. FrankZapper 03:01 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Yes, I am quite concerned about 92L AND its brother. Things are falling in place for an East Coast hit from one of them.
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1114. HurricaneHunterJoe 03:03 GMT le 11 août 2011    
thanks. I never setup the blog thing,but man it gets insane in here at times from people just wanting to be disruptive or worse,so the ignore list is activated.
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1115. ackee 03:03 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting Tazmanian:



thats what am seeing it i think its at 10N and 30W but the nhc dos not see it yet
agree
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1116. tiggeriffic 03:04 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting angiest:


I think we see the same thing, :)


i seriously thought i was seeing things...cant even fathom that happening...
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1117. Tazmanian 03:04 GMT le 11 août 2011    
how evere the good news in all of this that we could see some good ACE from both 92 and 93L
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1118. yesterway 03:04 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting CybrTeddy:


Bingo.

We have no real idea what the conditions or patterns will be even 3 days out, much less two weeks out. Right now its all speculation, we don't know what to expect. That trough, as mentioned, is going to be quick to move out. Timing is key. No one can say with 100% certainty 92L & 93L will be a US storm or a fish, or if they even will develop.


Well said...
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1119. tropicfreak 03:04 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting HurricaneHunterJoe:
thanks. I never setup the blog thing,but man it gets insane in here at times from people just wanting to be disruptive or worse,so the ignore list is activated.


My ignore list has tripled since the beginning of the season, most of them consist of Jasons, but a few JFVs and a couple other trolls.
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1120. JLPR2 03:05 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting ProgressivePulse:


Sure is, at the end of the image 92L starts to twist up the image too, lol.


LOL!
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1121. tropicfreak 03:05 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting Tazmanian:
how evere the good news in all of this that we could see some good ACE from both 92 and 93L


They could probably be more than all the storms we've had so far COMBINED.
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1122. nofailsafe 03:06 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting tiggeriffic:


i seriously thought i was seeing things...cant even fathom that happening...


This far out I wouldn't put much Fay-th in it, but stranger things have happened...
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1123. PRweathercenter 03:06 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Caribbean Tropical UpdateLink
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1124. PRweathercenter 03:07 GMT le 11 août 2011    
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdiH9JWvpB8&feature= youtube_gdata_player
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1125. caneswatch 03:07 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting Tazmanian:



yup he been poofed





I don't think that's the real one. The real one came by my blog and left a "nice" comment.
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1126. stormpetrol 03:07 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting ackee:
question is its possblie for 92L centre to form futher south where convection is now ?

Thew center is basically between the convection to the N &SE.
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1127. Grothar 03:08 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Looks like a much more zonal flow will be in place for 93L.

Kind of reminds me of the whole Earl-Fiona scenario that happened last year when Igor was forecast to curve out to sea and Fiona was the 'real threat' to the states. Never materialized.


Family blog, 09, family blog.
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1128. ShenValleyFlyFish 03:08 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting angiest:


The first storm seemed to stall, and as the second approached they did the Fujiwara. Those motions look correct in that setup.
Amazing what one picks up just by hanging around here. I took a look at that and said "Wow, Fujiwara". Wouldn't have known Fujiwara from Fukishima pre-wU.
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1129. tiggeriffic 03:08 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting nofailsafe:


This far out I wouldn't put much Fay-th in it, but stranger things have happened...


i never do...but that was just wicked regardless of whether is was 14 days out or 3 days out...
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1130. Tazmanian 03:09 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting tropicfreak:


They could probably be more than all the storms we've had so far COMBINED.



yup
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1131. angiest 03:09 GMT le 11 août 2011    
FWIW, KHOU in Houston is saying the ridge should shift out towards El Paso by the end of the week, dropping our highs out of the triple digits.
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1132. nofailsafe 03:09 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting tiggeriffic:


i never do...but that was just wicked regardless of whether is was 14 days out or 3 days out...


No, of course, that little loop-de-loop there was mighty fine.
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1133. Gearsts 03:10 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting ackee:
question is its possblie for 92L centre to form futher south where convection is now ?
yes very possible
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1134. tiggeriffic 03:10 GMT le 11 août 2011    
ok...sooooo time for bed...work early in the am...will have to catch the updates at 8am from work...nite all
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1135. weathermanwannabe 03:11 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Track is one thing and intensity is another. If we do get a "cluster" series of CV storms in a few weeks, and they are trending into the same general region (moving into the Caribbean as opposed to fish storms because of a persistent pattern at that particular moment), then upwelling can play a "good" role for a few that may follow in the same area by keeping intensity in check until the waters warm back up again.....You just never know until it unfolds.
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1136. MiamiHurricanes09 03:11 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting Grothar:


Family blog, 09, family blog.
LMAO. Sorry...
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1138. tropicfreak 03:13 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting nofailsafe:


No, of course, that little loop-de-loop there was mighty fine.


Like this?

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1139. nofailsafe 03:14 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting angiest:
FWIW, KHOU in Houston is saying the ridge should shift out towards El Paso by the end of the week, dropping our highs out of the triple digits.


Ah ha! Most excellent news indeed!
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1140. tropicalweather2011x 03:14 GMT le 11 août 2011    
invest 94L LOOKING good tonight!
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1141. tropicfreak 03:15 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting fishboyjfv:
Hello fellow bloggers, I'm new to the blog. Local weather channel said nothing to worry about with these storms, all go out to sea. Any truth to that


Why would they say that JFV?
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1142. Grothar 03:15 GMT le 11 août 2011    
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1143. Jedkins01 03:17 GMT le 11 août 2011    
lets face it, both systems are way too far out for us to know where they are going, and because they are still invests, the models are probably wrong on whatever the long term is.

We are talking about 2 weeks away from the U.S. lol, just way too far out.


It is fun to speculate, my early speculation is that Florida will avoid another strike, and the storm may go out to sea again.
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1144. tropicfreak 03:17 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting Grothar:
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Convection does appear to be building closer to 92L's center. This is going to be a great race to see who gets designated and named.
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1145. ProgressivePulse 03:18 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting fishboyjfv:
Hello fellow bloggers, I'm new to the blog. Local weather channel said nothing to worry about with these storms, all go out to sea. Any truth to that



Really? Anyone that forecasts anything definitive over 5 days out should be fired IMO. That is just plain reckless.
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1147. ProgressivePulse 03:19 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting Grothar:
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I thought you said this was a family blog Gro?
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1148. weathermanwannabe 03:19 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Well. Off to bed and will check back in the am to see how the "twins" are doing............Good Night.
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1149. Tazmanian 03:20 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting Grothar:
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the nhc needs too move the center 92L too the S all so 93L looks good
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1150. nofailsafe 03:20 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting tropicfreak:


Like this?



That's a pretty good one. I've always liked Gordon's track.
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1151. Jedkins01 03:22 GMT le 11 août 2011    



I am very glad for the heavy rain, but unfortunately rainfall amounts aren't as heavy in the east side of Florida where the drought is improving, but they need much more rain than I do. Due to the tropical nature of the convection, these estimates are actually low compared to some of the totals.
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