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Two African waves that may develop
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 16:59 GMT le 10 août 2011 +41
Hello everyone, it's Jeff Masters back with you again after a long stretch of vacation. Now that the peak part of hurricane season is upon us, I'll be with you every day for the next few months, in what promises to be an unusually active Atlantic hurricane season. We've got several threats to talk about today, most notably a strong African wave near 12.5°N 30.5°W, about 400 miles west-southwest of the Cape Verde Islands. This system, dubbed Invest 92L by NHC, is moving west to west-northwest at 10 - 15 mph, and has the potential to develop into a tropical depression or tropical storm before arriving near the northern Lesser Antilles Islands early next week. Recent visible satellite loops show that 92L is beginning to develop a surface circulation, and heavy thunderstorms are slowly building along the western edge of the center. However, a separate area of heavy thunderstorms lies 400 miles to the east, just south of the Cape Verde Islands, and this blob is interfering with consolidation of the center near the blob of heavy thunderstorms at 30.5°W. Water vapor satellite loops show that a large area of dry air from Africa lies just to the west of 92L, but the atmosphere in the immediate vicinity of 92L is moist, so dry air is currently not a problem for the storm. The SHIPS model is diagnosing low shear, 5 - 10 knots, over 92L, but the University of Wisconsin CIMSS analysis shows that moderate shear of 10 - 20 knots is affecting 92L. Sea surface temperatures are 26.5° - 27°C, which is very close to the 26.5°C threshold usually needed to support a tropical storm.


Figure 1. Noon satellite photo of Invest 92L.

Forecast for 92L
Low to moderate wind shear of 5 - 15 knots is predicted along 92L's path over the coming three days, which should allow the storm to steadily organize, assuming it can shut out any incursions of dry air that might intrude. The latest 00Z and 06Z model runs of the four best models for predicting tropical storm formation (GFS, ECMWF, NOGAPS, and UKMET) show little or no development of 92L, and NHC gave 92L just a 20% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Friday morning in their 8am outlook. Given the recent improvement in the satellite appearance of 92L, I would put these odds at 30%. A steady west to west-northwest motion for 92L is predicted by all of the models, which would put the storm in the vicinity of the northern Lesser Antilles Islands by Sunday. On Saturday and Sunday, 92L is expected to enter a region where an upper-level low pressure system will bring high wind shear of 20 knots to the storm, which should slow development. This upper-level low is also expected to turn 92L more to the northwest, so the storm may pass north of the Lesser Antilles. It is too early to know if 92L will recurve out to sea and potentially threaten Bermuda, or continue to the northwest towards the U.S. East Coast.


Figure 2. NASA MODIS image taken at 10:40am EDT 8/10/11 of the tropical wave emerging from the coast of Africa. The GFS model is predicting this system will develop into a tropical storm early next week. Image credit: NASA.

Tropical wave emerging from the coast of Africa
A strong tropical wave currently emerging from the coast of Africa near 8°N has a modest amount of spin and heavy thunderstorm activity associated with it, and has the potential to develop early next week once it moves past the Cape Verde Islands. The GFS model has been developing this system into a tropical storm in several of its recent runs. A westerly track towards the Lesser Antilles is expected by the GFS model.

Jeff Masters
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1251. HurricaneDean07 04:13 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Cybrted, completely agree...
Thinking the same exact thing. +1
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1252. aussiecold 04:13 GMT le 11 août 2011    
93L will hit US east coast as a hurricane cat 2
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1253. Twinkster 04:14 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Like I said more amplified trough in 00z just have to see how quickly it lifts out

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1254. BahaHurican 04:14 GMT le 11 août 2011    
I notice almost everything that looks good coming off Africa seems to have this twin-lobed look. Wonder if that's going to impact these two's development over the next 2 days....
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1255. ackee 04:15 GMT le 11 août 2011    
THE high DOES SEEM a bit stronger on this 0zRUN could be a close call for the carrb with 93L if THIS plays out
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1256. sunlinepr 04:15 GMT le 11 août 2011    
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1257. CybrTeddy 04:16 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting aussiecold:
93L will hit US east coast as a hurricane cat 2


Unwise to make any sort of judgement like that right now. Way to far out.
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1258. MississippiWx 04:16 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting HurricaneDean07:
Mississippiwx,
id have to give it another 12 hours before i fully believe that 93L will live, though right now chances are high that it will survive...
say 88%?
Quoting CybrTeddy:


I am not convinced still that 93L will continue to look as good, now if it looks the same way if not better in say.. 6 hours then we're probably dealing with a developing Tropical cyclone.

Looking back, the 92L/93L situation reminds me a lot of the Ana and Bill situation in 2009. Though, in my personal opinion 92L might be stronger than Ana ever was once it develops. Conditions are a lot less hostile.


Regardless, I believe 93L is going to develop before 92L. I like the environment 93L is in more than the one 92L has to endure. Need to look at visible in the morning to see where the low level center is for 92L now. All of the convection in the ITCZ is probably going to attempt to pull it there.
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1259. FrankZapper 04:16 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting CybrTeddy:
Only post on the subject, but in all honesty this whole Jason and JFV nonsense needs to stop. Dragging the blog down with them is not the sensible thing to do, if you just ignore them they will go away, its that simple. By ignore, I don't just mean click 'Ignore user' I mean don't quote, respond or recognize said users presence.

Anyways, back on topic.
Agreed. All the foolishness about ignore lists, who is or is not a troll, who has what handle ,etc is disruptive. The heart of the season is around the corner and we must also be tolerant of opinions differing from ours. LET ADMIN take care of cleaning up the blog.
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1260. Stormchaser2007 04:17 GMT le 11 août 2011    
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1261. Tazmanian 04:17 GMT le 11 août 2011    
well all i think thats it for me tonight i be back about 4am or so am off for the night its nic too see you guys and i missed you guy its good too be back on


any way have a good night well see whats 92 and 93L looks like in the AM
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1262. tropicalweather2011x 04:17 GMT le 11 août 2011    
look like a weak trough to me!!
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1263. tropicalweather2011x 04:17 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting Tazmanian:
well all i think thats it for me tonight i be back about 4am or so am off for the night its nic too see you guys and i missed you guy its good too be back on


any way have a good night well see whats 92 and 93L looks like in the AM
goodnight!!
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1264. MississippiWx 04:18 GMT le 11 août 2011    
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1265. Stormchaser2007 04:19 GMT le 11 août 2011    
93L starts to move NW by 120 hours.
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1266. sunlinepr 04:19 GMT le 11 août 2011    
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1267. Twinkster 04:19 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting ackee:
THE high DOES SEEM a bit stronger on this 0zRUN could be a close call for the carrb with 93L if THIS plays out



actually is quite weaker

00z



also i believe what is now 92L will miss the east coast in this run of gfs based on position of trough. still too early to tell though
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1268. Twinkster 04:20 GMT le 11 août 2011    
I take my comment back
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1269. bigwes6844 04:21 GMT le 11 août 2011    
what made me go crazy earlier today was when the Gfs had 92L hitting the east coast and then recurve back into the GOM towards LA,MS. That was crazy as hell
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1270. CybrTeddy 04:21 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Just managed to take a glance at the 18z model guidence, some are showing a W-WSW bend towards the end. Very interesting, could it be interaction with 92L that could cause such a bend to the WSW? Don't see a ridge doing that for a system this far east.
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1271. reedzone 04:21 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting Twinkster:
I take my comment back


Comment about what?
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1272. Tropicsweatherpr 04:22 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting Twinkster:
I take my comment back


What happened?
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1273. HurricaneDean07 04:22 GMT le 11 août 2011    
From that map mississippiwx posted,
92L's northern-western half is going to dissipate, conolidate, or move off to the north and split. the SE portion is more promising for developent currently.(near 10N)
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1274. BahaHurican 04:22 GMT le 11 août 2011    
G'nite all... I'm out.
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1275. Twinkster 04:23 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting reedzone:


Comment about what?


strength of high in 00z gfs
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1276. Twinkster 04:24 GMT le 11 août 2011    
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1277. reedzone 04:24 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting Twinkster:


strength of high in 00z gfs


Ohh, yeah.. Does look strong.. Though this is the pattern. Not surprising to see models show a strong ridge.
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1278. HurricaneDean07 04:24 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Okay, thrid times the charm, IM OUT
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1279. MississippiWx 04:24 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting HurricaneDean07:
From that map mississippiwx posted,
92L's northern-western half is going to dissipate, conolidate, or move off to the north and split. the SE portion is more promising for developent currently.(near 10N)


The best 850mb vort is in between the two areas of convection. However, I agree that the northern one is going to spin away and dissipate as it is more mid level in nature.



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1280. ncstorm 04:25 GMT le 11 août 2011    
each frame the High is bending back towards the west..
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1281. Twinkster 04:26 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting reedzone:


Ohh, yeah.. Does look strong.. Though this is the pattern. Not surprising to see models show a strong ridge.



shows a stronger and more far south trough though and the orientation of strong ridge shears 92L by 132 hours
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1282. Twinkster 04:27 GMT le 11 août 2011    
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1283. sunlinepr 04:27 GMT le 11 août 2011    
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1284. Tropicsweatherpr 04:28 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting ncstorm:
each frame the High is bending back towards the west..


I dont like a fairly strong high where I am sitting in the NE Caribbean.
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1285. Twinkster 04:29 GMT le 11 août 2011    
needless to say this run will be much different then last. question is does ridge build back in?



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1286. tropicalweather2011x 04:30 GMT le 11 août 2011    
invest 92L ON HERE IS 11.0 NORTH AND 31 WEST
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1287. ncstorm 04:31 GMT le 11 août 2011    
the GFS fluctates the high one minute then has it retreating back to the east the next minute..
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1288. atmoaggie 04:33 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting ncstorm:
the GFS fluctates the high one minute then has it retreating back to the east the next minute..
*Some* of that effect is simply the diurnal cycle in sea level pressures.
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1289. Twinkster 04:33 GMT le 11 août 2011    
93L will recurve in 00z gfs

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1290. MississippiWx 04:33 GMT le 11 août 2011    
162:

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1291. tropicalweather2011x 04:35 GMT le 11 août 2011    
invest 92L maybe going out to sea!! invest 93L WILL not be a fish storm!!
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1292. Twinkster 04:36 GMT le 11 août 2011    
flow becomes much more zonal towards in gfs run
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1293. tropicalweather2011x 04:38 GMT le 11 août 2011    
if invest92L GET A NEW CENTER in the t.storms to the south of 10 north maybe its go move to the west!
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1294. reedzone 04:38 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting Twinkster:
93L will recurve in 00z gfs



Well 92L recurves, but lets see if the ridge builds back in.. Remember when a storm recurves, the next one recurves further westward. Great example of that was Edwouard and Fran in 1996.
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1295. sunlinepr 04:38 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting tropicalweather2011x:
invest 92L maybe going out to sea!! invest 93L WILL not be a fish storm!!

Still too much time ahead, but maybe.... may look like that in some models...
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1296. Twinkster 04:40 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting reedzone:


Well 92L recurves, but lets see if the ridge builds back in.. Remember when a storm recurves, the next one recurves further westward. Great example of that was Edwouard and Fran in 1996.



yes but looking at pattern a recurve is highly likely in 00z
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1297. tropicalweather2011x 04:41 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting sunlinepr:

Still too much time ahead, but maybe.... may look like that in some models...


who knows!! did you see the modeles here!
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1298. bigwes6844 04:42 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting MississippiWx:
162:

tropical strom right?
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1299. VAbeachhurricanes 04:43 GMT le 11 août 2011    
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1300. Twinkster 04:45 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Recurve is official but It really doesn't mean much at this point
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1301. ncstorm 04:46 GMT le 11 août 2011    
going to bed but 93L passes right over Bermuda..979 MB
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