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Two African waves that may develop
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 16:59 GMT le 10 août 2011 +41
Hello everyone, it's Jeff Masters back with you again after a long stretch of vacation. Now that the peak part of hurricane season is upon us, I'll be with you every day for the next few months, in what promises to be an unusually active Atlantic hurricane season. We've got several threats to talk about today, most notably a strong African wave near 12.5°N 30.5°W, about 400 miles west-southwest of the Cape Verde Islands. This system, dubbed Invest 92L by NHC, is moving west to west-northwest at 10 - 15 mph, and has the potential to develop into a tropical depression or tropical storm before arriving near the northern Lesser Antilles Islands early next week. Recent visible satellite loops show that 92L is beginning to develop a surface circulation, and heavy thunderstorms are slowly building along the western edge of the center. However, a separate area of heavy thunderstorms lies 400 miles to the east, just south of the Cape Verde Islands, and this blob is interfering with consolidation of the center near the blob of heavy thunderstorms at 30.5°W. Water vapor satellite loops show that a large area of dry air from Africa lies just to the west of 92L, but the atmosphere in the immediate vicinity of 92L is moist, so dry air is currently not a problem for the storm. The SHIPS model is diagnosing low shear, 5 - 10 knots, over 92L, but the University of Wisconsin CIMSS analysis shows that moderate shear of 10 - 20 knots is affecting 92L. Sea surface temperatures are 26.5° - 27°C, which is very close to the 26.5°C threshold usually needed to support a tropical storm.


Figure 1. Noon satellite photo of Invest 92L.

Forecast for 92L
Low to moderate wind shear of 5 - 15 knots is predicted along 92L's path over the coming three days, which should allow the storm to steadily organize, assuming it can shut out any incursions of dry air that might intrude. The latest 00Z and 06Z model runs of the four best models for predicting tropical storm formation (GFS, ECMWF, NOGAPS, and UKMET) show little or no development of 92L, and NHC gave 92L just a 20% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Friday morning in their 8am outlook. Given the recent improvement in the satellite appearance of 92L, I would put these odds at 30%. A steady west to west-northwest motion for 92L is predicted by all of the models, which would put the storm in the vicinity of the northern Lesser Antilles Islands by Sunday. On Saturday and Sunday, 92L is expected to enter a region where an upper-level low pressure system will bring high wind shear of 20 knots to the storm, which should slow development. This upper-level low is also expected to turn 92L more to the northwest, so the storm may pass north of the Lesser Antilles. It is too early to know if 92L will recurve out to sea and potentially threaten Bermuda, or continue to the northwest towards the U.S. East Coast.


Figure 2. NASA MODIS image taken at 10:40am EDT 8/10/11 of the tropical wave emerging from the coast of Africa. The GFS model is predicting this system will develop into a tropical storm early next week. Image credit: NASA.

Tropical wave emerging from the coast of Africa
A strong tropical wave currently emerging from the coast of Africa near 8°N has a modest amount of spin and heavy thunderstorm activity associated with it, and has the potential to develop early next week once it moves past the Cape Verde Islands. The GFS model has been developing this system into a tropical storm in several of its recent runs. A westerly track towards the Lesser Antilles is expected by the GFS model.

Jeff Masters
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1451. serialteg 12:34 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting Relix:
Models are generally good with CV forecasts. They are usually spot on with them so for now I am just gonna wait 5 days or so before being bothered to check the systems.


relix smellix qlq hay pa... seein 40kt barbs on that cv wave reminds me of hugo
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1453. islander101010 12:35 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting weathermanwannabe:
Always fascinating to me how so many of the CV waves look very healthy, likes the ones out there now, in spite of dry air or SAL surrounding them but they moisten up their immediate environment and continue to develop, to a point. However, on these earlier ones, many get choked off if they do organize into a TD or TS because they then start to suck in that dry air outside their immediate environment. My point is that regardless of complete, or incomplete, development of these two down the line, they will make it much easier for those that follow in the coming weeks as they moisten up the middle passage which helps the others fight off dry air intrusion.
waters are warming that helps good day
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1455. HurricaneDean07 12:36 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Presslord,
Yep, have visited Galveston in the moddle of July every year since 2003, and its amazing how much they've built back, though tourism has sadly plumeted and may not return to where it was for years...
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1456. kshipre1 12:36 GMT le 11 août 2011    
thanks for your comment. I am just wondering where all this talk about in the next 8-15 days there will be a pattern change.... not disputing that just curious because already a similar recurve pattern like last year
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1457. serialteg 12:37 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting nash28:
Totally off topic, but I have to get this off my chest...

Why do some women feel the need to bathe themselves in a fragrance which is mostly likely named ASS??? Seriously? Turn it down Bruno. She is sitting right behind me and all I want to do right now is throw a bar of Irish Spring at her head...

BAH!


talk to her in french, see what happens
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1458. hurricane23 12:37 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting ProgressivePulse:



The current pattern is going to be a tough one to break. You have a mean trough on the west coast and a mean trough on the east coast with a mean ridge (TX Death Ridge)between. Status quo until we see ridging on the west coast. TX might actually get some rain in that pattern.


Hey pulse...

A huge dip in the jet stream along the east coast of North America has shifted winds throughout a deep layer of the atmosphere. This pattern could last through the end of the month, according to some long-range computer forecast models. As you know if this dip in the jet stream, known as a trough of low pressure, persists through August, there’s a good chance that tropical storms and hurricanes attempting to reach the east coast of the United States will turn out to sea before becoming a serious threat.

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1459. presslord 12:38 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting KanKunKid:


Now, let me get this straight:

You are willing to pay $10K for someone to take him? Or do you expect someone to pay $10K to you to take him off your hands?

It makes a difference.


well...at that time he was for sale...but...at this point....I'd consider just giving him away....
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1460. shadoclown45 12:38 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Ah i see... Nogaps is predicting... DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM!!! !!
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1461. LongGlassTube 12:39 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:
Good morning.

Here is this morning's discussion of both 92L and 93L by Rob of Crown Weather. I agree with him that 93L will be the one to watch for the folks in the NE Caribbean.

Link


I love Rob and Crown Weather. I've been using their site for at least 10 years. I'm in agreement with him that 92L probably won't see any southern landfall even though it may become a hurricane mid-Atlantic. 93L is low enough that it has potential. Lucky for us most CV waves recurve or disapate.
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1462. hydrus 12:39 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting presslord:


well...he's 20 now...and a college Junior....but he's still a horrible financial drag....
We should keep tabs on all money spent on raising them, then pass a law stating after college all loans, outstanding debts and allowances will be remitted to parent or parents once gainfully employed...:)
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1463. serialteg 12:39 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting USAFwxguy:
6-10 day 500mb means from the 00Z ECMWF ...

With a trough like that over the Eastern US, forget about CONUS landfall from the East. SW Caribbean development perhaps would lead to trouble for CONUS



yup, with ridging and lows u got to go thru the path of least resistance. we all know how the gom is (we've even got gomcasters) so...

i hate hangovers
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1464. Orcasystems 12:40 GMT le 11 août 2011    
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1465. HurricaneDean07 12:40 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting weathermanwannabe:
Always fascinating to me how so many of the CV waves look very healthy, likes the ones out there now, in spite of dry air or SAL surrounding them but they moisten up their immediate environment and continue to develop, to a point. However, on these earlier ones, many get choked off if they do organize into a TD or TS because they then start to suck in that dry air outside their immediate environment. My point is that regardless of complete, or incomplete, development of these two down the line, they will make it much easier for those that follow in the coming weeks as they moisten up the middle passage which helps the others fight off dry air intrusion.

Yep, and some models are hinting at another potent wave to emerge off of Africa after these two...

Franklin~ 93L
Gert~ 92L
Harvey~ Possible homegrown system in coming days
Irene~Possible cape verde system; uh oh, everyone the I NAME.
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1466. kshipre1 12:41 GMT le 11 août 2011    
I believe the trough is supposed to move westward after two weeks or so when the High builds stronger and westward. at least that is what I was reading yesterday

I am guessing if 93L was supposed to go further westward and is now expected to recurve (even though it is too early and we can not fully trust the models), it's forward speed must be catching up to that of 92L which could mean future storms after 93L could hit the SE CONUS if and when the expected pattern change takes place.

someone chime in if I am wrong
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1467. RukusBoondocks 12:41 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Is it just me or does anyone else get all excited when a new invest is named but then is greatly dissapointed when the noodles show it going out to sea??

92= another boring fish

93= probably the same.

Who miss the days when noodles used to show those kinda systems moving west for days with no sign of recurvature until it gets near the gulf???
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1468. weaverwxman 12:42 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Press:
Thanks but no thanks even for free I have a 17 year old also but a FEMALE UGGGGGHHHH. But shes not for sale or give away I have not tormented her near enough yet... lol
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1469. mcluvincane 12:42 GMT le 11 août 2011    
The gfs runs are 6 hours apart. Why the sudden pattern shifts on each run? Shows landfall, next it shows recurve. I don't get it.
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1470. hydrus 12:43 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting RukusBoondocks:
Is it just me or does anyone else get all excited when a new invest is named but then is greatly dissapointed when the noodles show it going out to sea??

92= another boring fish

93= probably the same.

Who miss the days when noodles used to show those kinda systems moving west for days with no sign of recurvature until it gets near the gulf???
Are you rolling them extra fat this morning R.B.?
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1471. hurricane23 12:44 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting hurricane23:


Hey pulse...

A huge dip in the jet stream along the east coast of North America has shifted winds throughout a deep layer of the atmosphere. This pattern could last through the end of the month, according to some long-range computer forecast models. As you know if this dip in the jet stream, known as a trough of low pressure, persists through August, there%u2019s a good chance that tropical storms and hurricanes attempting to reach the east coast of the United States will turn out to sea before becoming a serious threat.



Some euro ensemble models i looked at yesterday evening due actually show a ridge building.
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1472. presslord 12:44 GMT le 11 août 2011    
I just need to remember: my kids haven't been nearly as bad as I was...
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1473. biff4ugo 12:44 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Welcome back Dr. Masters!!!
Now the season can begin to roll.
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1474. LongGlassTube 12:44 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting RukusBoondocks:
Is it just me or does anyone else get all excited when a new invest is named but then is greatly dissapointed when the noodles show it going out to sea??

92= another boring fish

93= probably the same.

Who miss the days when noodles used to show those kinda systems moving west for days with no sign of recurvature until it gets near the gulf???


Unlike many of us you must not live in an area affected by storm surge. I'm here for an early heads up to when my house going to flood, not wishcasting a storm up someones azz.
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1475. LavosPhoenix 12:45 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Is the MJO favorable currently? If not then I suggest this...

MJOLNIR = MJO Likely Not (favorable) In Region
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1476. RitaEvac 12:46 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting HurricaneDean07:
Presslord,
Yep, have visited Galveston in the moddle of July every year since 2003, and its amazing how much they've built back, though tourism has sadly plumeted and may not return to where it was for years...


Never has had tourism, Galveston really doesnt have anything to offer.
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1477. hurricane23 12:47 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting LavosPhoenix:
Is the MJO favorable currently? If not then I suggest this...

MJOLNIR = MJO Likely Not (favorable) In Region


MJO Real Time Forecasts.
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1478. nash28 12:47 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting mcluvincane:
The gfs runs are 6 hours apart. Why the sudden pattern shifts on each run? Shows landfall, next it shows recurve. I don't get it.



Bi-polar. Has always been this way. The GFS will turn your hair white. Funny thing is... Sometimes it nails the eventual track on its first run, even though the 20 some odd runs after that are anywhere from Baja to Maine. LOL!
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1479. LongGlassTube 12:48 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting hurricane23:


Hey pulse...

A huge dip in the jet stream along the east coast of North America has shifted winds throughout a deep layer of the atmosphere. This pattern could last through the end of the month, according to some long-range computer forecast models. As you know if this dip in the jet stream, known as a trough of low pressure, persists through August, there’s a good chance that tropical storms and hurricanes attempting to reach the east coast of the United States will turn out to sea before becoming a serious threat.



That would be great news for the islands as well as Florida and the rest of the East Coast. It's the home grown Carib storms that worry us on the Gulf Coast.
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1482. presslord 12:50 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting RitaEvac:


Never has had tourism, Galveston really doesnt have anything to offer.


Haven't been there in over 20 years....but I thought it had a pretty vigorous nightlife...but, then again, maybe it was just me who had the vigorous nightlife...
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1483. IKE 12:51 GMT le 11 août 2011    

Quoting hydrus:
Are you rolling them extra fat this morning R.B.?
Woohoo!
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1484. portcharlotte 12:52 GMT le 11 août 2011    
If that trough does not moves west than of course it's a good bet that all the systems will recurve...That trough needs to get to 85 or 90 west in my opinion. A trough split near the coast will essentially turn them out to see close to the coast.



Quoting kshipre1:
I believe the trough is supposed to move westward after two weeks or so when the High builds stronger and westward. at least that is what I was reading yesterday

I am guessing if 93L was supposed to go further westward and is now expected to recurve (even though it is too early and we can not fully trust the models), it's forward speed must be catching up to that of 92L which could mean future storms after 93L could hit the SE CONUS if and when the expected pattern change takes place.

someone chime in if I am wrong
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1485. RitaEvac 12:53 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting presslord:


Haven't been there in over 20 years....but I thought it had a pretty vigorous nightlife...but, then again, maybe it was just me who had the vigorous nightlife...


lol, no, it has no nightlife, must be you
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1487. HurricaneDean07 12:55 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Atack of the I Name:(Worst of the I's in BOLD)
2000: Isaac, Category 4; No US landfall
2001: Iris, Category 4; No US landfall(Retired)
2002: Isidore, Category 3; Landfall on US(Retired)
2003: Isabel, Category 5; Landfall On US(Retired)
2004: Ivan, Category 5; Landfall On US(Retired)

2005: Irene, Category 2; No US Landfall
2006: Isaac, Category 1; No US Landfall
2007: Ingrid, Tropical Storm; No US Landfall
2008: Ike, Category 4; Landfall On US(Retired)
2009: Ida, Category 2; Landfall On US, she was mean but not the worst
2010: Igor, Cateory 4; No US Landfall(Retired)
2011: Irene, COMING SOON...
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1488. ncstorm 12:55 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting hydrus:
NOGAPS puts 92l off the Florida east c oast..


yeah,it dosent see the trough to pull it north..I just want to know which model is better at predicting troughs and highs..these elements are going to be the key player in CV storms..I wonder if Dr. Masters could talk about that in one of his updates..right now the GFS is back and forth with its runs..
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1489. AussieStorm 12:57 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting ncstorm:
06 NOGAPS

Link

Do you see what's in the SW Carib in that run?

Hey SJ, How ya been mate!
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1490. portcharlotte 12:57 GMT le 11 août 2011    
I just can not see any US threats with that trough hanging around off the east coast. Levi and JB are mentioning that there is more potential upcoming. I am not seeing it ...maybe some close calls with the weak left side of the tropical storms brushing the coast IMO.
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1491. LongGlassTube 12:57 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting presslord:


it was awful ...but I've seen photos of Bolivar...amazing how they're coming back...

Back in 2006 I took my family on vacation to Galveston. We were going on the Carnival Conquest, the huge Cruise ship that preKatrina docked in New Orleans.
On the way we drove down to Holly Beach first to see the Rita devestation. At the time not one structure had been rebuilt, not even a piling driven. A few hours later after leaving the destruction on the LA coast we drove along the TX coast. I told my family that one day all those nice houses with their toes sticking in the water would be gone some day. I never would have believed that it would have been only 2 years later with IKE.
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1492. stormpetrol 12:58 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Good morning, Has the center of 92L relocated further south and east?
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1493. weaverwxman 13:00 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Hey KanKun couldn't give you enough plusses for that one. Also get em working and charge em rent, then the loud music doesn't hurt so much.
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1494. HCW 13:01 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting portcharlotte:
I just can not see any US threats with that trough hanging around off the east coast. Levi and JB are mentioning that there is more potential upcoming. I am not seeing it ...maybe some close calls with the weak left side of the tropical storms brushing the coast IMO.


So you don't see any home brew action from the stalled out cold front in the GOM next week ?
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1495. nash28 13:01 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Guys....

LOOOOONG ways out still. We still do not even have a closed circ for the models to run yet.
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1496. HurricaneDean07 13:03 GMT le 11 août 2011    
makes since 92l had relocation, i mean the NW part completely has ran off and is dissipating
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1497. StormJunkie 13:04 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Who's humpin' the ridge? Are we in any danger? Do I need to board up windows and put Michael in a gun safe???
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1499. stormpetrol 13:06 GMT le 11 août 2011    
If the center of 92L has relocated further south, then I think it could become a much more potential threat for the lesser antilles, just saying
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1500. ncstorm 13:06 GMT le 11 août 2011    
HPC Extended Discussion

THE MODEL GUIDANCE GENERALLY AGREES ON TROUGHING HOLDING NEAR BOTH
COASTS...THOUGH THEY WEAKEN WITH TIME AS THE FLOW PATTERN BECOMES
LESS AMPLIFIED/MORE ZONAL.
ISSUES BEGIN WITH THE WEST COAST
TROUGH...WHICH THEN TRANSLATE THROUGH SOUTHWEST CANADA AND THE
NORTHERN PLAINS. THE 00Z ECMWF BECOMES OUT OF PHASE WITH THE
OTHER DETERMINISTIC/ENSEMBLE MEAN GUIDANCE BY THE END OF THE
PERIOD ACROSS THIS REGION.
..SO IT COULD NOT BE USED AFTER TUESDAY
MORNING. THE 00Z CANADIAN HAS A LESSER VERSION OF THIS PROBLEM AS
WELL...AND ADVERTISES A FULL-BLOWN HURRICANE WEST OF BERMUDA LATE
IN THE PERIOD SOMEWHAT NORTHEAST OF THE COORDINATED POINTS FROM
THE 17Z COORDINATION CALL WITH NHC...WHICH IF PREFERRED WOULD HAVE
REQUIRED SUBSTANTIAL WEAKENING OF THE PRESSURES IN ITS VICINITY BY
AGREEMENT.

THE 00Z GFS FIT BEST WITH THE 00Z GEFS/12Z ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEAN
GUIDANCE...SO FOUND IT USABLE THROUGH THE PERIOD. THE PRESSURES
WERE DERIVED FROM A 00Z GFS/00Z ECMWF COMPROMISE INTO TUESDAY
MORNING BEFORE SWITCHING TO A 00Z GFS/12Z ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEAN
SOLUTION THEREAFTER. THIS LED TO SOME SLOWING TO THE SYSTEM
PROGRESSION ACROSS SOUTHERN CANADA/THE NORTHERN PLAINS FROM
CONTINUITY. OFFSHORE THE SOUTHEAST...USED THE POINTS COORDINATED
BETWEEN HPC/NHC AT 17Z YESTERDAY AND MERGED THE TROPICAL FEATURE
WITH THE FRONTAL WAVE IN ITS VICINITY BY NEXT THURSDAY MORNING.
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1501. zoomiami 13:07 GMT le 11 août 2011    
Quoting presslord:


?!?!?! you have obviously missed my recent ridge humping material...



hmmm -- pretty sure we close to an "x" rating! lol
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