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Two African waves that may develop
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 16:59 GMT le 10 août 2011 +41
Hello everyone, it's Jeff Masters back with you again after a long stretch of vacation. Now that the peak part of hurricane season is upon us, I'll be with you every day for the next few months, in what promises to be an unusually active Atlantic hurricane season. We've got several threats to talk about today, most notably a strong African wave near 12.5°N 30.5°W, about 400 miles west-southwest of the Cape Verde Islands. This system, dubbed Invest 92L by NHC, is moving west to west-northwest at 10 - 15 mph, and has the potential to develop into a tropical depression or tropical storm before arriving near the northern Lesser Antilles Islands early next week. Recent visible satellite loops show that 92L is beginning to develop a surface circulation, and heavy thunderstorms are slowly building along the western edge of the center. However, a separate area of heavy thunderstorms lies 400 miles to the east, just south of the Cape Verde Islands, and this blob is interfering with consolidation of the center near the blob of heavy thunderstorms at 30.5°W. Water vapor satellite loops show that a large area of dry air from Africa lies just to the west of 92L, but the atmosphere in the immediate vicinity of 92L is moist, so dry air is currently not a problem for the storm. The SHIPS model is diagnosing low shear, 5 - 10 knots, over 92L, but the University of Wisconsin CIMSS analysis shows that moderate shear of 10 - 20 knots is affecting 92L. Sea surface temperatures are 26.5° - 27°C, which is very close to the 26.5°C threshold usually needed to support a tropical storm.


Figure 1. Noon satellite photo of Invest 92L.

Forecast for 92L
Low to moderate wind shear of 5 - 15 knots is predicted along 92L's path over the coming three days, which should allow the storm to steadily organize, assuming it can shut out any incursions of dry air that might intrude. The latest 00Z and 06Z model runs of the four best models for predicting tropical storm formation (GFS, ECMWF, NOGAPS, and UKMET) show little or no development of 92L, and NHC gave 92L just a 20% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Friday morning in their 8am outlook. Given the recent improvement in the satellite appearance of 92L, I would put these odds at 30%. A steady west to west-northwest motion for 92L is predicted by all of the models, which would put the storm in the vicinity of the northern Lesser Antilles Islands by Sunday. On Saturday and Sunday, 92L is expected to enter a region where an upper-level low pressure system will bring high wind shear of 20 knots to the storm, which should slow development. This upper-level low is also expected to turn 92L more to the northwest, so the storm may pass north of the Lesser Antilles. It is too early to know if 92L will recurve out to sea and potentially threaten Bermuda, or continue to the northwest towards the U.S. East Coast.


Figure 2. NASA MODIS image taken at 10:40am EDT 8/10/11 of the tropical wave emerging from the coast of Africa. The GFS model is predicting this system will develop into a tropical storm early next week. Image credit: NASA.

Tropical wave emerging from the coast of Africa
A strong tropical wave currently emerging from the coast of Africa near 8°N has a modest amount of spin and heavy thunderstorm activity associated with it, and has the potential to develop early next week once it moves past the Cape Verde Islands. The GFS model has been developing this system into a tropical storm in several of its recent runs. A westerly track towards the Lesser Antilles is expected by the GFS model.

Jeff Masters
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402. TropicalAnalystwx13 20:32 GMT le 10 août 2011    
Quoting Gearsts:
There's no rush to bump the % up, my guess is 20% and 20% for the other invest.


The National Hurricane Center goes by current organization more than anything. From what I see, 92L has become a little better organized this afternoon, thus warranting a 30% chance. However, I won't guarantee that, but I think 30% is a good choice.
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403. Some1Has2BtheRookie 20:32 GMT le 10 août 2011    
Quoting tiggeriffic:
crap...lightning, thunder, black sky...at work...this isn't gonna be a nice finish to a work day


Please, tigger, send some Texas way. We need it! Water rationing here.
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404. portcharlotte 20:32 GMT le 10 août 2011    
With the upcoming trough split and future set-up I feel there is a greater chance for re-curve. It could be very easy for a high percentage to just turn out to sea. Sometimes the first major storm to recurve leaves a weakness that all others follow. I have seen this happen. It all depends on where the high sets up along with the trough. I am not buying in on a high impact year.
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407. tiggeriffic 20:33 GMT le 10 août 2011    
Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


Please, tigger, send some Texas way. We need it! Water rationing here.


you dont want this one...so hard it will all be runoff...wow...this is nasty...waiting for the hail
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408. tatoprweather 20:34 GMT le 10 août 2011    
Quoting Speeky:
I am not liking the likely hood of these African tropical Waves. I don't think they will devolope


Sorry to tell ya but you're wrong
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409. Patrap 20:34 GMT le 10 août 2011    

18z Early Cycle NHC model tracks
Invest92
Statistical/Simple Models (CLIPER,BAMs,LBAR,other Statistical Models)





Dynamic Models (More sophisticated models)




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410. stormpetrol 20:35 GMT le 10 août 2011    
I think slowly but surely 92L is pulling WNW already!
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411. tiggeriffic 20:35 GMT le 10 août 2011    
phone just did weather alert...said expect winds in excess of 60mph...it is raining sideways...i sooooooo dont like this kind of storm....
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412. JLPR2 20:36 GMT le 10 août 2011    
Once that other area of convection just east of 92L merges with our invest it should start looking better due the bump of moisture it will get.

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413. thunderbug91 20:37 GMT le 10 août 2011    
Quoting Welling2000:
What's the big ol' blob west of Tampa FL doing?



Giving us Tampa residents a crazy amount of weather. Several inches since Tuesday morning.
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414. tropicfreak 20:37 GMT le 10 août 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
Afternoon guys, back from my first day of high school (not that you actually care, lol).

Invests 92L and 93L:






Ha ha, freshman!!! LOL Hope it went well.
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415. Patrap 20:37 GMT le 10 août 2011    
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416. tatoprweather 20:38 GMT le 10 août 2011    
Quoting bigwes6844:
SMFH!! AT SOME PEOPLE ON HERE! anyway back to what i was talking bout. Does anyone think by 93L being far south that it has a chance to get into the carribean?


Yes I think so.
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417. SunnyDaysFla 20:38 GMT le 10 août 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
Afternoon guys, back from my first day of high school (not that you actually care, lol).

Invests 92L and 93L:





Congrats that is a milestone in your life.
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418. ShenValleyFlyFish 20:38 GMT le 10 août 2011    
Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


Please, tigger, send some Texas way. We need it! Water rationing here.
Water
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419. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 20:41 GMT le 10 août 2011    
Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


Please, tigger, send some Texas way. We need it! Water rationing here.
maybe by feb 2013 rainfall rtn to normal for texas not long more just 19 months or so
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420. thunderbug91 20:41 GMT le 10 août 2011    
Quoting tatoprweather:


Sorry to tell ya but you're wrong



You got that right! 2011 is about to break loose it looks like. Take a look at the 4 disturbances on the heels of 93L...
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422. gugi182 20:43 GMT le 10 août 2011    
I know it way to early to see where 92L is going to head out and of course predicting it's intensity is way to early but observing the computer models and the storm in 92L i bet you that 93L has a great chance to become something bigger than 92L. And something that worries me a little is how far south 93L is so let's wait and see where these storm head off in the Atlantic. But as i say it what to early to predict where and when and if they develop.
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423. tropicalweather2011x 20:44 GMT le 10 août 2011    
invest 93L LOOKING BETTER THEN INVEST 92l
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424. yoboi 20:44 GMT le 10 août 2011    
why are people on here threating to kill people i don't get it, is it some sort of hazing that goes on in here?? i'm confused
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425. tatoprweather 20:46 GMT le 10 août 2011    
Quoting yoboi:
why are people on here threating to kill people i don't get it, is it some sort of hazing that goes on in here?? i'm confused


Another user said this some minutes ago:

WEATHER WEATHER WEATHER WEATHER WEATHER WEATHER WEATHER WEATHER WEATHER WEATHER WEATHER WEATHER WEATHER WEATHER WEATHER WEATHER
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426. bigwes6844 20:48 GMT le 10 août 2011    
Quoting MississippiWx:


No one can know that answer this far out in time, but it has a much better chance than 92L.
okay kool because like me and u Mississipi we all know this is the time to watch these type of storms because the GOM is very warm and ready for any storm to get a taste of that water.
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427. thunderbug91 20:48 GMT le 10 août 2011    
I have a hunch that all of FL and anyone in the area of the GOM need to keep a very close eye on 93L.... anyone agree?
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428. ncstorm 20:50 GMT le 10 août 2011    
the almanac..for the southeast..

August 2011
8th-11th. Scattered thunderstorms and muggy. Gusty winds for the Mississippi River Valley.
12th-15th. Continued humid, with more scattered showers and thunderstorms.
16th-19th. Scattered thunderstorms.
20th-23rd. Pleasant, turning unsettled.
24th-27th. Hazy and humid, with scattered thunderstorms.
28th-31st. Hot and steamy. A hurricane threat for the Southeast.
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429. Tropicsweatherpr 20:51 GMT le 10 août 2011    
The 18z surface analysis has a low pressure with 93L.

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430. thunderbug91 20:51 GMT le 10 août 2011    
Quoting bigwes6844:
okay kool because like me and u Mississipi we all know this is the time to watch these type of storms because the GOM is very warm and ready for any storm to get a taste of that water.


Sea temps show GOM at 93 degrees F
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431. Tazmanian 20:51 GMT le 10 août 2011    
guys once we get big storms going the Adims really starts bannding any one thats posting thing thats dos not go with the blog so i would keep on track has march has you guys can the Admins will really start banneding once we get 92 and 93L fromed this ask some of the blogers thats been here a few years now
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432. bigwes6844 20:51 GMT le 10 août 2011    
Quoting thunderbug91:
I have a hunch that all of FL and anyone in the area of the GOM need to keep a very close eye on 93L.... anyone agree?
y would u say that???
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433. MississippiWx 20:52 GMT le 10 août 2011    
Shear is 10kts or less across nearly the entire MDR. Dangerous upper level conditions are setting up as we head into the meat of the season:

Current:


Current Shear compared to average:

Atlantic


Caribbean
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434. Tazmanian 20:52 GMT le 10 août 2011    
Quoting thunderbug91:
I have a hunch that all of FL and anyone in the area of the GOM need to keep a very close eye on 93L.... anyone agree?



i do all so we most watch 92L has well
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435. ncstorm 20:53 GMT le 10 août 2011    
JMA model only goes out to 144 hours but you can see something approaching in the last frame..

Link
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436. Diploid 20:53 GMT le 10 août 2011    
Anyone else notice that SHIPS says Invest 93 will be at 105 MPH by day five?

I think 93 is the one to watch.
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437. tropicalweather2011x 20:53 GMT le 10 août 2011    
i saw Sea temps show GOM at 94 F
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438. bigwes6844 20:53 GMT le 10 août 2011    
Quoting thunderbug91:


Sea temps show GOM at 93 degrees F
WOW
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439. MississippiWx 20:54 GMT le 10 août 2011    
Quoting bigwes6844:
okay kool because like me and u Mississipi we all know this is the time to watch these type of storms because the GOM is very warm and ready for any storm to get a taste of that water.


We can almost bank on the GOM SSTs to be high every year. This year, they are about 1-2C above average. However, we can't bank on a system actually making it there. Even if one does, it has to have favorable upper level conditions to take advantage of those warm waters.
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440. Grothar 20:55 GMT le 10 août 2011    


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441. RickWPB 20:56 GMT le 10 août 2011    
My ignore list is up to 92. How many do we have available? Do we run out at 100? I sure hope not!
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442. ncstorm 20:56 GMT le 10 août 2011    
HPC map of Day 7 Sea Level Pressures and Fronts..

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443. bigwes6844 20:56 GMT le 10 août 2011    
Quoting tropicalweather2011x:
i saw Sea temps show GOM at 94 F
94 degrees wtf is going on!!! Is this SST worse than Katrina SST when she got by us anyone?
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444. caneswatch 20:56 GMT le 10 août 2011    
Quoting Diploid:
Anyone else notice that SHIPS says Invest 93 will be at 105 MPH by day five?

I think 93 is the one to watch.


I did, and I agree. 93L looks to be like more western-tracker than 92L.
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445. thunderbug91 20:56 GMT le 10 août 2011    
Quoting bigwes6844:
y would u say that???


Dunno... something tells me it resembles Ivan from 2004. I just thought I would ask to see if anyone else felt the same way. We'll see what happens, I guess...BTW that was just a "what if". I have no info supporting it going into the GOM.
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446. tropicalweather2011x 20:56 GMT le 10 août 2011    
Quoting bigwes6844:
WOW
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447. MTWX 20:57 GMT le 10 août 2011    
Quoting tiggeriffic:
phone just did weather alert...said expect winds in excess of 60mph...it is raining sideways...i sooooooo dont like this kind of storm....

Where are you located? we have a similar storm getting ready to move into Columbus it the next couple minutes!
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448. tropicalweather2011x 20:57 GMT le 10 août 2011    
right here!
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449. bigwes6844 20:57 GMT le 10 août 2011    
Quoting MississippiWx:


We can almost bank on the GOM SSTs to be high every year. This year, they are about 1-2C above average. However, we can't bank on a system actually making it there. Even if one does, it has to have favorable upper level conditions to take advantage of those warm waters.
Well I hope that nothing gets there and recurves everything out to sea. It would be a horrible feeling if something did get in there!
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450. Grothar 20:59 GMT le 10 août 2011    
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451. PakaSurvivor 20:59 GMT le 10 août 2011    
Quoting tiggeriffic:
phone just did weather alert...said expect winds in excess of 60mph...it is raining sideways...i sooooooo dont like this kind of storm....


is it storming in Goose Greek?
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