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Tropical Depression Seven forms
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 14:25 GMT le 14 août 2011 +14
The latest in our unusual number of weak tropical cyclones this season, Tropical Depression Seven, has formed to the southeast of Bermuda. Unless you live in Bermuda, TD 7 is not going to be a concern. Radar out of Bermuda shows an area of rain on the northern side of TD 7 beginning to approach the island, and rain from the storm will likely affect the island tonight and on Monday. TD 7 is not well-organized, and has only limited heavy thunderstorms, as seen on visible satellite images. While wind shear is a low 5 - 10 knots, dry air surrounds TD 7, and is keeping the storm from intensifying. None of the computer models foresee that TD 7 will ever become more than a weak tropical storm.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of TD 7.

92L
TD 7 isn't the only system Bermuda needs to watch, Invest 92L is a day behind it, and will follow a path very similar to TD 7's. The disturbance will pass close to Bermuda on Tuesday, bringing the island a second round of tropical rains. However, Invest 92L is very disorganized, as seen on recent visible satellite loops. Dry air and close proximity to TD 7 will likely keep 92L from showing significant development over the next two days, with NHC giving the system just a 30% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Tuesday morning.

Elsewhere in the tropics
The disturbance midway between the Lesser Antilles Islands and the coast of Africa we've been tracking over the past few days, Invest 93L, has fallen apart and is no longer a threat to develop. This system will need to be watched once it enters the Caribbean later this week, though. None of the reliable models for predicting tropical cyclone formation predict development of this system or any new disturbances over the coming week.

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1451. AllStar17 03:19 GMT le 15 août 2011    
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1452. sunlinepr 03:20 GMT le 15 août 2011    
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1453. AussieStorm 03:23 GMT le 15 août 2011    
TS Gert

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1454. MrstormX 03:24 GMT le 15 août 2011    
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1455. j2008 03:25 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Quoting MrstormX:

Center should be appearing soon. I think......
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1456. 19N81W 03:25 GMT le 15 août 2011    
wow the deep tropics just cant produce anything....just trying to produce marginal tropical storm status...I have no doubt we may see a hurricane..but when....has there ever been a season with no hurricanes?
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1457. MrstormX 03:26 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Quoting j2008:

Center should be appearing soon. I think......


I agree, playing the waiting game...radar updates every 10 minutes. So next update at 11:31
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1458. Gearsts 03:27 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Quoting 19N81W:
wow the deep tropics just cant produce anything....just trying to produce marginal tropical storm status...I have no doubt we may see a hurricane..but when....has there ever been a season with no hurricanes?
That allows the waters to warm even more so when the cape verde season really gets going we are gona get strong system im afraid.
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1459. NCHurricane2009 03:28 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Quoting NCHurricane2009:


Checking back this evening on tropics....

...my opinion on Gert's strength is changing...this storm could actually make it to hurricane strength. The circular CDO (central dense overcast) is aligning over the center. It also has a good anticyclone established over it as discussed in the NHC 5 PM EDT advisory discussion. And on top of that, Gert is a small storm...so it also has a higher chance of rapid strengthening


Quoting HurricaneDean07:
According to microwave imagery Gerty might start developing an eye well, should be interestin to see if it keeps up, all it needs to do get stronger winds and finish off the "Eye well" feature on the SE side and we COULD see Hurricane Gert, though its gonna have to take her all to get it done...

Good Night everyone... back in the morning...


Yep...Gert could be pulling a fast one!
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1460. MrstormX 03:29 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Quoting Gearsts:
That allows the waters to warm even more so when the cape verde season really gets going we are gona get strong system im afraid.


The only problem is that the CV season has started.
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1461. sunlinepr 03:30 GMT le 15 août 2011    
What's left of 93L.... Lets see what happens after the islands...
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1462. NCHurricane2009 03:30 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Quoting MrstormX:


Wait...is that the center of Gert on the Bermuda radar...just outside of the 240 km circle? If so...it sort of looks like a ragged eye.
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1463. j2008 03:30 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Quoting NCHurricane2009:




Yep...Gert could be pulling a fast one!

I agree, the radar is looking quite impressive!
Quoting MrstormX:


I agree, playing the waiting game...radar updates every 10 minutes. So next update at 11:31

Cant wait to see it!!
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1464. spathy 03:31 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Quoting NCHurricane2009:


Darn...I am getting annoyed from this year's secret society of Invests....first 90L in March...now this 96L that came and went in a matter of under 12 hours...WOW!

90L and 96L can now register themselves in the freemasons society....


Perhaps these systems know something that we should already understand.

They dont paste it on the front pages of the paper,yet they are telling us something just the same.

Very much like the Free Masons.
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1465. MrstormX 03:32 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Quoting NCHurricane2009:


Wait...is that the center of Gert on the Bermuda radar...just outside of the 240 km circle? If so...it sort of looks like a ragged eye.


I doubt it is a true eye, but radar should show us what is going on very soon.
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1466. AllStar17 03:32 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Emily damage totaled about 5 million 2011 US$.
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1467. spathy 03:33 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Quoting AllStar17:
Emily damage totaled about 5 million 2011 US$.


From what?
Blog stress medication?
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1468. CybrTeddy 03:34 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Quoting 19N81W:
wow the deep tropics just cant produce anything....just trying to produce marginal tropical storm status...I have no doubt we may see a hurricane..but when....has there ever been a season with no hurricanes?


Okay, listen. Go back to my post at 201.. the one that got 62 likes.. because I really am not up to posting that again. If that doesn't convince you that there will be hurricanes this season, absolutely nothing will.
Link
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1469. NCHurricane2009 03:34 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Quoting MrstormX:


I doubt it is a true eye, but radar should show us what is going on very soon.


Yeah...I guess a true eye would show a solid yellow or red circle on radar reflectivity....this one is more green (less intense) and ragged if there is one....
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1470. MississippiWx 03:34 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Quoting spathy:


From what?
Blog stress medication?


It hit Hispaniola and rained for nearly 2 days there, ya know...
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1471. MrstormX 03:34 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Fresh radar image; 2 minutes old:

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1472. 19N81W 03:34 GMT le 15 août 2011    
August 11, 2010 ... CALGARY - The recent storm that hammered the Calgary area with golf-ball-sized ... filed following the July 12 storm have caused the total damage estimate for homes, business and vehicles to skyrocket to $400 million. ... "For an expert, it's pretty easy to determine what's hail damage and what isn't." ...
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1473. wunderkidcayman 03:35 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Quoting sunlinepr:

I woutld like to see of D-Max in the morn will help alot with ex-93L's convection problem
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1474. Thrawst 03:36 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Quoting MrstormX:
Gerty just got a whole lot improved on microwave:



possible formation of a partial eyewall?
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1475. spathy 03:37 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Quoting MississippiWx:


It hit Hispaniola and rained for nearly 2 days there, ya know...


Oh of course.
I saw US$
And thought it meant cost the US$
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1476. dfwstormwatch 03:37 GMT le 15 août 2011    
model alert! 00z gfs is coming out!
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1477. CybrTeddy 03:37 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Quoting MrstormX:


I doubt it is a true eye, but radar should show us what is going on very soon.


According to microwave imagery, it is a developing eyewall.. meaning that Gert is probably at least a 60 mph TS at this time. We don't have a recon in there to confirm that, but when recon went in they found a 45 mph TS when the Satellite images said it was only a 35 mph depression.. leads me to suspect this is stronger than the satellite imagery is thinking.
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1478. NCHurricane2009 03:38 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Quoting MrstormX:
Fresh radar image; 2 minutes old:



I am glad we are blogging with all this technology and information available...imagine trying to have a discussion like this back in the good ol' days...

Hmmm...a ship in the open ocean reported some bad weather and looks suspicious....we'll dispatch recon to it....we'll wait and see a few hours in the meantime....
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1479. 19N81W 03:39 GMT le 15 août 2011    
well cyber because you said it I will let it rest...see you nov 31st...
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1480. CybrTeddy 03:40 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Quoting 19N81W:
well cyber because you said it I will let it rest...see you nov 31st...


See you then, heck by then judging by this season we might be watching for post-season tropical cyclones.
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1481. NCHurricane2009 03:42 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Quoting CybrTeddy:


According to microwave imagery, it is a developing eyewall.. meaning that Gert is probably at least a 60 mph TS at this time. We don't have a recon in there to confirm that, but when recon went in they found a 45 mph TS when the Satellite images said it was only a 35 mph depression.. leads me to suspect this is stronger than the satellite imagery is thinking.


I was thinking the same when reading the 11 PM NHC discussion...they said the 45 mph winds afternoon recon measured were stronger than Dvorak satellite intensity estimates would suggest...and those winds were measured HOURS AGO...The NHC is being conservative here I think this evening.

And it is known infrared satellite intensity estimates can be off with small storms. Why just last year we had this issue with Hurricane Shary....they upgraded it because of its Microwave appaerance...Marco 2008 was really small and sat. intensity estimates were too low as well...

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1482. AussieStorm 03:44 GMT le 15 août 2011    
At 9pm the BWS said Gert9s closest point of approach to Bermuda will be 61 nm to the east at 2pm tomorrow [Aug.15]. It is now 185 nm south south-east of Bermuda.

Forecaster Jeff Torgerson said, Rain and showers are expected to amount to up to 1-3 inches potentially across the area, with heavier amounts toward the east, while seas/SE swells are not expected to reach over 9 feet at the peak, with a relatively short-lived development of the storm to this point.

The wind forecast again, is not so much based on model data (consistent in holding generally light and backing winds over the Island), but on the storm track and intensity forecast by NHC.

Strongest winds of 25-35 knots with gusts to 45 knots are expected over the eastern marine area, while the Bermuda forecast holds moderate to strong winds, with gust to gale force.

Gusts are expected to be strongest in and around heavier shower and thunderstorm activity, which, again is most likely to the east of the Island.
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1483. MrstormX 03:44 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Another fresh one:
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1484. NCHurricane2009 03:47 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Quoting MrstormX:
Another fresh one:


I don't know....that center looks like its just outside of 240 km...and it looks "eyeish"...Gert is impressing me minute by minute here....
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1485. washingtonian115 03:47 GMT le 15 août 2011    
I see idiots still saying we won't have a hurricane this season.I point my finger at them and laugh.What?.They want another 05?.Maybe that will satisfy them sadly.
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1486. JLPR2 03:48 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Quoting CybrTeddy:


According to microwave imagery, it is a developing eyewall.. meaning that Gert is probably at least a 60 mph TS at this time. We don't have a recon in there to confirm that, but when recon went in they found a 45 mph TS when the Satellite images said it was only a 35 mph depression.. leads me to suspect this is stronger than the satellite imagery is thinking.


This is the year of misleading TCs, remember the satellites estimates saying Emily was a hurricane while it was barely a tropical cyclone?
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1487. MiamiHurricanes09 03:50 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Very compact tropical cyclone.

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1488. extreme236 03:50 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Quoting JLPR2:


This is the year of misleading TCs, remember the satellites estimates saying Emily was a hurricane while it was barely a tropical cyclone?


Satellite estimates for Emily topped out at T3.0-3.5 which is 45-55kts. Gert does apppear to be pulling something...
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1489. washingtonian115 03:50 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Quoting JLPR2:


This is the year of misleading TCs, remember the satellites estimates saying Emily was a hurricane while it was barely a tropical cyclone?
Lol when was that?.That was one major mistake.
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1490. MrstormX 03:50 GMT le 15 août 2011    
The more I look at it...the radar images might actually be fuzzy at that range due to poor reflectivity.
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1491. Gearsts 03:51 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Quoting MrstormX:


The only problem is that the CV season has started.
You know what i mean.
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1492. CybrTeddy 03:51 GMT le 15 août 2011    
sorry if this posts come out twice.

CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
2.5 /1004.7mb/ 35.0kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
2.1 2.6 3.7

Raw T has really cranked up on Gert, now almost to hurricane according just to the RAW T.
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1493. JLPR2 03:52 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Quoting washingtonian115:
Lol when was that?.That was one major mistake.


When Emily blew up south of PR.
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1494. NCHurricane2009 03:52 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Quoting washingtonian115:
I see idiots still saying we won't have a hurricane this season.I point my finger at them and laugh.What?.They want another 05?.Maybe that will satisfy them sadly.


Well...actually you can point them to Gert...she may actually pull this off and become a hurricane...she is already looking suspicious I gather from my feelings and some of the comments here.

She isn't a hurricane yet...but her chances are certainly growing by the developments we have been seeing in the last few hours...
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1495. angiest 03:53 GMT le 15 août 2011    

Quoting NCHurricane2009:


I don't know....that center looks like its just outside of 240 km...and it looks "eyeish"...Gert is impressing me minute by minute here....
I wouldn't trust it that far out.  Is that a doppler? Can it do BV and SRV?
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1496. washingtonian115 03:53 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Very compact tropical cyclone.

Gert seems to be pulling the wool over our eyes.I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes our first hurricane of the season.
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1497. JLPR2 03:53 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Quoting extreme236:


Satellite estimates for Emily topped out at T3.0-3.5 which is 45-55kts. Gert does apppear to be pulling something...


Really, I remember seeing them close or at hurricane strength and posted here.
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1498. CybrTeddy 03:53 GMT le 15 août 2011    
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1499. MiamiHurricanes09 03:54 GMT le 15 août 2011    
00z GFS at 36 hours below. The AOI north of Hispañola right now can be noted as the kink in the 1014mb isobar northeast of eastern Cuba, ex-93L is the low pressure system in the eastern Caribbean, and the AEW currently emerging over water can be noted as the 1011mb south of the Cape Verde islands. Keep in mind, that the previous GFS run developed/intensified this AEW into a hurricane so let's see if we start to develop some consistency.

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1500. EYEStoSEA 03:55 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Quoting pottery:

www.brohavwx.com is a site in Barbados with links to Barbados radar, lightening strikes etc.
Very good.
If you want to see ex-93L go by there....


Hi Pottery, I remember he used to post some here...hope he returns, I liked his post. Hope you get your rain :)
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1501. NCHurricane2009 03:55 GMT le 15 août 2011    
Quoting CybrTeddy:
CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
2.5 /1004.7mb/ 35.0kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
2.1 2.6 3.7

Raw T has really cranked up on Gert, now almost to hurricane according just to the RAW T.


What is a 3.7? How close to hurricane?

WOW...is this really developing quickly or what?!
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