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TD 8 forms; 97L a potential threat to the Caribbean and U.S.
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 15:30 GMT le 19 août 2011 +33
Tropical Depression Eight formed last night near the coast of Honduras, and is headed westwards towards a landfall in Belize on Saturday. TD 8 is a small storm, so will impact a relatively small area of northern Honduras, northern Guatemala, all of Belize, and southern portions of Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula. TD 8 has just enough room between its center and the coast of Honduras to intensify into a moderate strength tropical storm with 50 - 60 mph winds before landfall. It is very unlikely TD8 has the time or room to intensify into a hurricane; NHC gave the storm just a 7% chance of making it to hurricane strength in their 11am EDT wind probability forecast. Should TD8 make it to tropical storm strength, it would be called Harvey.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of TD 8.

Invest 97L likely to become a tropical storm next week, could threaten the U.S.
A tropical wave near 14°N 48°W, about 800 miles east of the Lesser Antilles Islands, is moving westward near 20 mph. This wave, designated Invest 97L by NHC yesterday, has seen a marked increase in its heavy thunderstorm activity this morning, but dry air to the north and west is slowing development. An impressive amount of large-scale spin is obvious in visible satellite loops, but the storm is at least a day away from forming a well-defined surface circulation. Ocean temperatures are about 28.5°C, about 2°C above the threshold needed to support a tropical storm, and wind shear is low, 5 - 10 knots.


Figure 2. Morning satellite image of the tropical wave 97L.

The computer models have shown an unusual amount of agreement in developing 97L over the past few days, and all the ingredients seem to be in place for a tropical storm to form by Monday or Tuesday as 97L crosses the Northeast Caribbean. The atmosphere is expected to be moister over the Caribbean, wind shear will remain a low 5 - 10 knots, and sea surface temperatures will increase to near 29°C. The main impediment for development will likely be two-fold: too much dry, stable air, and proximity to land.

As seen in Figure 3, there has been an unusual amount of dry, stable air in the Atlantic this year, due to a combination of dry air from Africa, and upper-atmosphere dynamics creating large areas of sinking air that dry as they warm and approach the surface. This stable air has been largely responsible for the fact that none of our seven tropical storms so far this year has made it to hurricane strength, despite the presence of sea surface temperatures that are the 3rd warmest on record across the tropical Atlantic. Tropical Storm Emily in early August encountered problems with dry air when it crossed the Northeast Caribbean, and 97L may have similar difficulties.


Figure 3. Vertical instability of the atmosphere during 2011 in the Caribbean (left) and tropical Atlantic between the Lesser Antilles Islands and coast of Africa (right.) The instability is plotted in °C, as a difference in temperature from near the surface to the upper atmosphere. Thunderstorms grow much more readily when vertical instability is high. Observed vertical instability (blue line) has been much lower than the climatological average from previous years (black line), due to an unusual amount of dry air in the atmosphere, inhibiting tropical storm development this year. Image credit: NOAA/CIRA.

Encounters with land will be another potential major problem for 97L. Most of the computer models take 97L near or over Puerto Rico Sunday night, then very close to or over mountainous Hispaniola Monday night through Tuesday. It is unlikely that 97L will be stronger than a 55 mph tropical storm when it encounters these islands, and passage over the islands could severely disrupt the storm. However, if 97L takes a path just south or north of Hispaniola, the potential exists for the storm to intensify into a hurricane.

There will be moderate wind shear of 10 - 20 knots to the north of the islands early next week, so a path just to the south of the Dominican Republic and Haiti would be more likely to let 97L intensify into a hurricane. A west-northwest motion is likely for 97L through Wednesday, which would bring the storm to the vicinity of Jamaica-Central Cuba-the Central Bahamas on Wednesday. On Wednesday and Thursday, the models agree that a trough of low pressure will dip down over the Eastern U.S., which is likely to turn 97L to the north. The exact timing and strength of this trough varies considerably from model to model, and will be critical in determining where and when 97L will turn to the north. The best model for predicting the timing and strength of such troughs over the past two years has been the ECMWF (European Center model), and this model currently brings 97L into the Florida Keys on Thursday night next week. You can view ECMWF forecasts on our wundermap with the model layer turned on. The European Center does not permit public display of tropical storm positions from their hurricane tracking module of their model, so we are unable to put ECMWF forecasts on our computer model forecast page that plots positions from the other major models.

Remember that a 7-day forecast by even our best model will be off by an average of over 700 miles, so it is too early to tell what part of the U.S. might be most at risk from a strike by 97L. This weekend would be a good time to go over your hurricane preparedness.


Figure 4. Morning satellite image of Invest 98L off the coast of Africa.

Invest 98L near the coast of Africa
A tropical wave near the coast of Africa, a few hundred miles southeast of the Cape Verde Islands, is moving west to west-northwestward at 10 - 15 mph. This wave, designated Invest 98L by NHC yesterday, is large and well-organized, with a modest amount of spin and heavy thunderstorm activity. 98L will bring strong, gusty winds and heavy rains to the Cape Verde Islands today and Saturday as the storm skirts to the south. So far this morning, top sustained winds measured in the islands were 24 mph at Mindelo. Water temperatures are warm, near 27 - 28°C, and wind shear is low, 5 - 10 knots, so 98L should continue to organize today. NHC gave the storm a 50% chance of developing into a tropical depression in their 8am advisory. Once 98L passes to the west of the Cape Verde Islands, it has a long stretch of ocean to cross before it could affect any other land areas. Approximately 70 - 80% of all tropical cyclones that pass this close to the Cape Verde Islands end up curving out to sea and not affecting any other land areas, according to Dr. Bob Hart's excellent historical probability of landfall charts. The latest set of long-range model runs go along with this idea, but it is too early to be confident of this.

Jeff Masters
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1701. Seflhurricane 22:44 GMT le 19 août 2011    
are there any bouy observations near 97L to see whats going on
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1702. txjac 22:44 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting violet312s:
Can I make a polite request?

Please stop calling the invests by potential names. We have no clue who will develop first or in what order, if at all.

Please continue to use their "official" names..which for now are 97L, 98L and 99L

Thanks, and back to sipping a fine Charles Shaw Shiraz.



Pour me a glass please
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1703. charlottefl 22:44 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting LargoFl:
this is scary, coming up and in like that would ruin the tampa bay area, a storm did exactly that years ago and pushed the whole bay in front of it..cannot imagine the devestation if that were to happen today



That scenario would be very bad lived in Tampa for 4 years. A lot of people very close to the bay. Evacs are crazy up there...
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1704. WxLogic 22:44 GMT le 19 août 2011    
12Z & 18Z are quite similar... except that the init in the 18Z a bit further south and therefore less land interaction.
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1705. gulfbreeze 22:44 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Will 97 start a pattern for 98 and 99. Everyone has been saying where the first Major Storm goes could be a sign of a pattern for the Season.
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1707. wpb 22:45 GMT le 19 août 2011    
not much change in the gfs 12z and 18z runs
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1708. Tazmanian 22:45 GMT le 19 août 2011    
with the hot waters of the gulf the storm could be a lot stronger then what mode runs are showing so if wind shear is vary light at the time you could be looking at a strong cat 4 low end cat 5 then a cat 2 or 3 hurricane that mode runs are show if this gos under a RI
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1709. tcbob8794 22:45 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Those model runs frighten me, they remind me of Charley.
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1710. dfwstormwatch 22:45 GMT le 19 août 2011    
UW - CIMSS
ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE
ADT-Version 8.1.3
Tropical Cyclone Intensity Algorithm

----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 19 AUG 2011 Time : 214500 UTC
Lat : 16:31:12 N Lon : 84:48:31 W


CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
3.5 / 994.0mb/ 55.0kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
3.4 3.3 3.3
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1711. TerraNova 22:45 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Recon approaching...

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1712. violet312s 22:45 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting txjac:



Pour me a glass please


Pouring... *clink* Still waiting on the deviled eggs someone mentioned they made.
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1713. Levi32 22:45 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting zparkie:
How come they say Florida sticks out like a sore thumb when we have all those islands protecting us, I say the gulf coasts are the ones to worry about most of the time.


Florida is by far the most-hit state by hurricanes. In the 20th century, Florida was hit by 57 hurricanes. 2nd place Texas was down at 36. Florida literally sticks out into the Atlantic like a sore thumb, and thus catches a lot of storms.
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1714. Skyepony (Mod) 22:45 GMT le 19 août 2011    
I'm finding on the Navy sites I have to refresh or click on 98L or 99L which ever is showing & then sometimes both shows up. 99L showed up earlier today after this Oceansat pass.
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1715. txjac 22:45 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Can Texas please get some rain bands?
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1716. Patrap 22:46 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Somewhere a lotta coast may be taking a few Holiday Days with pay.



The Heat will factor into any Major Evacs.


Cars , water, fuel.

Consider that always.

The Hawk retailers will smell chum in the Market.

Buy fuel now.

Stabil it and yer good thru this one.

Or ready for the next.



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1717. TropicalAnalystwx13 22:46 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting RitaEvac:
I don't think this is gonna be a Florida storm, gonna be farther west


Based on?
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1718. TropicalWeatherGrl88 22:46 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting Seflhurricane:
miami looks like florida is not going to get out of one this year


Still think it's too soon to say. Tracks shift quickly and things can change. Now if this was 3/4 days away I would be much more worried.
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1719. aislinnpaps 22:46 GMT le 19 août 2011    
What's rain?
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1721. dfwstormwatch 22:46 GMT le 19 août 2011    
h.h's are getting into harvey now
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1722. ProgressivePulse 22:46 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting PalmBeachWeatherBoy:
My question in determining the path of this storm is whether its going to skirt the islands north, go through puerto rico, or skirt the south...


Impossible to tell until it consolidates.
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1723. MiamiHurricanes09 22:47 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting RitaEvac:
I don't think this is gonna be a Florida storm, gonna be farther west
As long as the Texas ridge remains in place, it's gonna be difficult to get a hurricane further west than Louisiana.
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1725. TropicalAnalystwx13 22:47 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting Levi32:


Florida is by far the most-hit state by hurricanes. In the 20th century, Florida was hit by 57 hurricanes. 2nd place Texas was down at 36. Florida literally sticks out into the Atlantic like a sore thumb, and thus catches a lot of storms.


We stick out like a sore thumb too.
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1726. Skyepony (Mod) 22:47 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Recon is beginning to descend into Harvey.
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1727. RitaEvac 22:47 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting weatherman12345:
any reasoning behind that statement?


gonna take longer to develop therefore going farther west in Carribbean which will have impact on final landfall
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1728. stormwatcherCI 22:47 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting Seflhurricane:
are there any bouy observations near 97L to see whats going on
Conditions at 41040 as of
2150 GMT on 08/19/2011:
Unit of Measure: Time Zone:

Click on the graph icon in the table below to see a time series plot of the last five days of that observation.
5-day plot - Wind Direction Wind Direction (WDIR): ENE ( 60 deg true )
5-day plot - Wind Speed Wind Speed (WSPD): 15.5 kts
5-day plot - Wind Gust Wind Gust (GST): 17.5 kts
5-day plot - Wave Height Wave Height (WVHT): 5.9 ft
5-day plot - Dominant Wave Period Dominant Wave Period (DPD): 7 sec
5-day plot - Average Period Average Period (APD): 5.2 sec
5-day plot - Atmospheric Pressure Atmospheric Pressure (PRES): 29.79 in
5-day plot - Pressure Tendency Pressure Tendency (PTDY): +0.00 in ( Steady )
5-day plot - Air Temperature Air Temperature (ATMP): 81.9 °F
5-day plot - Water Temperature Water Temperature (WTMP): 83.3 °F
5-day plot - Dew Point Dew Point (DEWP): 78.3 °F
5-day plot - Heat Index Heat Index (HEAT): 90.7 °F

Link
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1729. zparkie 22:48 GMT le 19 août 2011    
This thing is heading south and get torn up by the island mountains I hope
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1730. violet312s 22:48 GMT le 19 août 2011    
HHunters now in outer bands. YAY! Please no mechanical failures this time like we had yesterday.
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1731. washingtonian115 22:48 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting Levi32:


Florida is by far the most-hit state by hurricanes. In the 20th century, Florida was hit by 57 hurricanes. 2nd place Texas was down at 36. Florida literally sticks out into the Atlantic like a sore thumb.
Florida looks like a SORE THUMB.
Quoting txjac:



Pour me a glass please
What kind of drink? or perhaps beer.Even rum?
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1733. ProgressivePulse 22:48 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting wpb:
not much change in the gfs 12z and 18z runs



GFS and ECMWF are going to make a good cone in the next day or two. Both have been remarkably consistent.
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1736. coffeecrusader 22:49 GMT le 19 août 2011    


Don't see 97L going that far west at the end though. But tracks could be similar through the Carib
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1737. ecflweatherfan 22:50 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Remember, the models coming out have an initialization of 97L somewhere near 13N 49W (within a few tenths of a degree)... however the MLC, which is most likely where the LLC will form is near 15N 51W, therefore the models could be that far off their initialization points, which will make a significant difference at a later point in time. Therefore the models must not be taken seriously until we get a closed LLC.
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1738. USCGLT 22:50 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting thewildhourlychanges:
all the experts on here said that last year there would be alot of landfaling hurricanes and all i saw was duds and fish storms so who do we trust


Last year? You just joined today...why don't you use last years handle? You changed your user name because of all your valuable insight from last year...GG
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1740. aislinnpaps 22:50 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting CarolinaHurricanes87:


I'm new here and wouldn't consider myself one to critique anyone's writing, but I haven't come across anything remotely close to being as annoying as your (lack of) spelling and grammar. Over 100,000 posts and I doubt anyone has been able to understand a single one.


Not a good way to start for someone new. We like to accept people for who they are, not how they spell.
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1741. violet312s 22:50 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting CorneliaMarie:
violet, 2 Buck Chuck is a fave of mine...


Here in NC it's actually 3 Buck Chuck..darnit. But yes, it's a great deal and very tasty.
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1742. washingtonian115 22:51 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting violet312s:
HHunters now in outer bands. YAY! Please no mechanical failures this time like we had yesterday.
We couldv'e had more information on 93L yesterday(Now Harvey)
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1743. RitaEvac 22:51 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting weatherman12345:
its looking very good right now IMO


It can look good all it wants, circulation is large, harder to tighten up, could be 50mph storm in short term but still not strong
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1744. Patrap 22:51 GMT le 19 août 2011    
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1745. weatherh98 22:52 GMT le 19 août 2011    
97l still has to work the mid level circulation all the way down to the surface and therefore we won't see a depression by two oclock, with that being said, im thinking a 60% by 8 oclock. harvey might break the streak uh oh and if we get these three storms formed by august 25 or so we will be on pace for 2005 which is rediculous... 99l looksbetter than 98l...this august and september might get rediculous... with mjo returning we could get over twenty storms
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1746. violet312s 22:52 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting CarolinaHurricanes87:


I'm new here and wouldn't consider myself one to critique anyone's writing, but I haven't come across anything remotely close to being as annoying as your (lack of) spelling and grammar. Over 100,000 posts and I doubt anyone has been able to understand a single one.


What others have said. Don't go there. Some of us may have challenges with communicating but otherwise add a great deal of insight into the blog.

Once you get used to it you'll understand the posts just fine. Trust me :)
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1747. coffeecrusader 22:52 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Oops...That was Hurricane Georges
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1748. charliesurvivor04 22:53 GMT le 19 août 2011    
97L computer runs indeed remind me of Charley! Only the Lbar model had it running into SW Florida,all the reliable models had it running into Tampa Bay or north.
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1749. jascott1967 22:53 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting txjac:


I'm with you Rita! I want some rain! And some clouds ...so tired of bring hot and sweating!


You'll be a lot hotter and sweatier without A/C for 10-14 days.
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1750. InTheCone 22:53 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting Levi32:


Florida is by far the most-hit state by hurricanes. In the 20th century, Florida was hit by 57 hurricanes. 2nd place Texas was down at 36. Florida literally sticks out into the Atlantic like a sore thumb, and thus catches a lot of storms.


Just think what those numbers would be like without the islands, they've taken the punch for Fl. on many occasions!
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1751. Tazmanian 22:54 GMT le 19 août 2011    
thats ok evere one i this put CarolinaHurricanes87 on my poofer list and moveing and i would be more then happy if you guys dont Quote it this report if you most and move on thanks
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