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TD 8 forms; 97L a potential threat to the Caribbean and U.S.
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 15:30 GMT le 19 août 2011 +33
Tropical Depression Eight formed last night near the coast of Honduras, and is headed westwards towards a landfall in Belize on Saturday. TD 8 is a small storm, so will impact a relatively small area of northern Honduras, northern Guatemala, all of Belize, and southern portions of Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula. TD 8 has just enough room between its center and the coast of Honduras to intensify into a moderate strength tropical storm with 50 - 60 mph winds before landfall. It is very unlikely TD8 has the time or room to intensify into a hurricane; NHC gave the storm just a 7% chance of making it to hurricane strength in their 11am EDT wind probability forecast. Should TD8 make it to tropical storm strength, it would be called Harvey.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of TD 8.

Invest 97L likely to become a tropical storm next week, could threaten the U.S.
A tropical wave near 14°N 48°W, about 800 miles east of the Lesser Antilles Islands, is moving westward near 20 mph. This wave, designated Invest 97L by NHC yesterday, has seen a marked increase in its heavy thunderstorm activity this morning, but dry air to the north and west is slowing development. An impressive amount of large-scale spin is obvious in visible satellite loops, but the storm is at least a day away from forming a well-defined surface circulation. Ocean temperatures are about 28.5°C, about 2°C above the threshold needed to support a tropical storm, and wind shear is low, 5 - 10 knots.


Figure 2. Morning satellite image of the tropical wave 97L.

The computer models have shown an unusual amount of agreement in developing 97L over the past few days, and all the ingredients seem to be in place for a tropical storm to form by Monday or Tuesday as 97L crosses the Northeast Caribbean. The atmosphere is expected to be moister over the Caribbean, wind shear will remain a low 5 - 10 knots, and sea surface temperatures will increase to near 29°C. The main impediment for development will likely be two-fold: too much dry, stable air, and proximity to land.

As seen in Figure 3, there has been an unusual amount of dry, stable air in the Atlantic this year, due to a combination of dry air from Africa, and upper-atmosphere dynamics creating large areas of sinking air that dry as they warm and approach the surface. This stable air has been largely responsible for the fact that none of our seven tropical storms so far this year has made it to hurricane strength, despite the presence of sea surface temperatures that are the 3rd warmest on record across the tropical Atlantic. Tropical Storm Emily in early August encountered problems with dry air when it crossed the Northeast Caribbean, and 97L may have similar difficulties.


Figure 3. Vertical instability of the atmosphere during 2011 in the Caribbean (left) and tropical Atlantic between the Lesser Antilles Islands and coast of Africa (right.) The instability is plotted in °C, as a difference in temperature from near the surface to the upper atmosphere. Thunderstorms grow much more readily when vertical instability is high. Observed vertical instability (blue line) has been much lower than the climatological average from previous years (black line), due to an unusual amount of dry air in the atmosphere, inhibiting tropical storm development this year. Image credit: NOAA/CIRA.

Encounters with land will be another potential major problem for 97L. Most of the computer models take 97L near or over Puerto Rico Sunday night, then very close to or over mountainous Hispaniola Monday night through Tuesday. It is unlikely that 97L will be stronger than a 55 mph tropical storm when it encounters these islands, and passage over the islands could severely disrupt the storm. However, if 97L takes a path just south or north of Hispaniola, the potential exists for the storm to intensify into a hurricane.

There will be moderate wind shear of 10 - 20 knots to the north of the islands early next week, so a path just to the south of the Dominican Republic and Haiti would be more likely to let 97L intensify into a hurricane. A west-northwest motion is likely for 97L through Wednesday, which would bring the storm to the vicinity of Jamaica-Central Cuba-the Central Bahamas on Wednesday. On Wednesday and Thursday, the models agree that a trough of low pressure will dip down over the Eastern U.S., which is likely to turn 97L to the north. The exact timing and strength of this trough varies considerably from model to model, and will be critical in determining where and when 97L will turn to the north. The best model for predicting the timing and strength of such troughs over the past two years has been the ECMWF (European Center model), and this model currently brings 97L into the Florida Keys on Thursday night next week. You can view ECMWF forecasts on our wundermap with the model layer turned on. The European Center does not permit public display of tropical storm positions from their hurricane tracking module of their model, so we are unable to put ECMWF forecasts on our computer model forecast page that plots positions from the other major models.

Remember that a 7-day forecast by even our best model will be off by an average of over 700 miles, so it is too early to tell what part of the U.S. might be most at risk from a strike by 97L. This weekend would be a good time to go over your hurricane preparedness.


Figure 4. Morning satellite image of Invest 98L off the coast of Africa.

Invest 98L near the coast of Africa
A tropical wave near the coast of Africa, a few hundred miles southeast of the Cape Verde Islands, is moving west to west-northwestward at 10 - 15 mph. This wave, designated Invest 98L by NHC yesterday, is large and well-organized, with a modest amount of spin and heavy thunderstorm activity. 98L will bring strong, gusty winds and heavy rains to the Cape Verde Islands today and Saturday as the storm skirts to the south. So far this morning, top sustained winds measured in the islands were 24 mph at Mindelo. Water temperatures are warm, near 27 - 28°C, and wind shear is low, 5 - 10 knots, so 98L should continue to organize today. NHC gave the storm a 50% chance of developing into a tropical depression in their 8am advisory. Once 98L passes to the west of the Cape Verde Islands, it has a long stretch of ocean to cross before it could affect any other land areas. Approximately 70 - 80% of all tropical cyclones that pass this close to the Cape Verde Islands end up curving out to sea and not affecting any other land areas, according to Dr. Bob Hart's excellent historical probability of landfall charts. The latest set of long-range model runs go along with this idea, but it is too early to be confident of this.

Jeff Masters
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2702. Levi32 02:47 GMT le 20 août 2011    
Back in a bit.
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2703. FrankZapper 02:47 GMT le 20 août 2011    
Quoting P451:


I bet it bombs NOLA again as a major.

LOL at following these model runs. Ridiculous.

Hey! Watch out!
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2704. muddertracker 02:47 GMT le 20 août 2011    
roflmao! what a fun lovin' bunch we have on tonight ;)
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2705. JrWeathermanFL 02:48 GMT le 20 août 2011    
I have feeling that the NHC will keep Harvey at 50mph.
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2706. nigel20 02:48 GMT le 20 août 2011    
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2707. nigel20 02:49 GMT le 20 août 2011    
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2708. Nolehead 02:49 GMT le 20 août 2011    
Orange Beach, Al
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2709. dfwstormwatch 02:50 GMT le 20 août 2011    

00z nam 72 hours out sim. radar reflectivity look at that well defined eye...
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2711. WeafhermanNimmy 02:51 GMT le 20 août 2011    
I am so happy I can rest while the SE coast gets to worry. An advantage of living inland.
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2712. CybrTeddy 02:51 GMT le 20 août 2011    
Harvey up to 60 mph, predicted to become a Hurricane.
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2713. Tazmanian 02:51 GMT le 20 août 2011    
Quoting P451:


I'm not sure if you need to.

LOL

ok




am this haveig a little fun too night with evere one
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2714. ecflweatherfan 02:51 GMT le 20 août 2011    
Quoting Thunderpig75:


I just spilled/spit beer all over my keyboard.


PARTY FOUL!!! YOU ARE BANNED! LOL
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2715. HimacaneBrees 02:51 GMT le 20 août 2011    
Quoting JrWeathermanFL:
I have feeling that the NHC will keep Harvey at 50mph.


Does the NHC control the wind speed of the storm? just joking sorry for the sarcasm.
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2716. wxgeek723 02:51 GMT le 20 août 2011    
Hmmm NHC thinks we may get a hurricane out of this after all...
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2717. bohonkweatherman 02:51 GMT le 20 août 2011    
Quoting bayoubug:
Lets play fantasy hurracane pick your name and place of land fall..
I got Florida
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2719. pottery 02:51 GMT le 20 août 2011    
Quoting dfwstormwatch:

00z nam 72 hours out sim. radar reflectivity look at that well defined eye...

Over DomRep, and of course, Haiti.....
Hope not!
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2720. KoritheMan 02:51 GMT le 20 août 2011    
Quoting weatherman12345:
when does gfs 0z start?


Should begin over the next half hour or so.
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2721. Vincent4989 02:52 GMT le 20 août 2011    
Quoting dfwstormwatch:

00z nam 72 hours out sim. radar reflectivity look at that well defined eye...

PR be prepared
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2723. TropicalAnalystwx13 02:52 GMT le 20 août 2011    
11:00 PM EDT Fri Aug 19
Location: 16.2°N 85.2°W
Max sustained: 60 mph
Moving: W at 9 mph
Min pressure: 994 mb
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2724. CybrTeddy 02:52 GMT le 20 août 2011    
..HARVEY STRENGTHENS OFF THE COAST OF HONDURAS...HEADING FOR THE BAY ISLANDS...
11:00 PM EDT Fri Aug 19
Location: 16.2°N 85.2°W
Max sustained: 60 mph
Moving: W at 9 mph
Min pressure: 994 mb
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2725. lightningbolt73 02:53 GMT le 20 août 2011    
Quoting xtremeweathertracker:
New Tropical Storm Harvey Video Update
Verry interesting video! Jeremy sounds to me a little bit like Gomer Pile! I remember Irene of 1999 We almost got it here in Sarasota, Florida! If it crosses the Hebert box I hope that doesn't mean it will be a-bear for Florida or anywhere else! Just kidding! I also remember we almost got Tropical Storm Harvey here in 1999!
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2726. thunderbug91 02:53 GMT le 20 août 2011    
Quoting xtremeweathertracker:

Mobile, AL LOL



I'm going to be rediculous for the moment and take Punta Gorda, FL
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2727. dfwstormwatch 02:53 GMT le 20 août 2011    

00z nam 84 hours out...
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2728. PcolaDan 02:53 GMT le 20 août 2011    
Quoting P451:


It's all good. No harm no foul.


Shouldn't there be a comma in there somewhere? :|
just sayin'
LOL
TIA

edit: disregard, I forgot I had you on ignore
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2729. TropicalAnalystwx13 02:53 GMT le 20 août 2011    
Hurricane?

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2730. Huracaneer 02:53 GMT le 20 août 2011    
OK, all these model runs were you can't see Florida because it's under the HUGE hurricane are starting to make me a bit apprehensive. Are there are blogs on wunderground talking about hurricane preparation? Have not been through a true hurricane (multiple strong T.S.) and would like to hear stories of non-obvious preparation tips (i.e. wash all your clothes because power may be out for a long time).
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2731. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 02:54 GMT le 20 août 2011    
Quoting Levi32:


Development has always been expected to be slow, and the track through the eastern Caribbean largely depends on where a surface center finally develops with 97L. It's very large, and thus the center could form anywhere within a bulky region.
true but we cannot dis-regard the fact that if track stays along southern shore of the islands all the way to the isle of youth western cuba the outcome maybe just what the models are showing
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2732. nigel20 02:54 GMT le 20 août 2011    
DISCUSSION AND 48-HOUR OUTLOOK
------------------------------
AT 1100 PM EDT...0300 UTC...THE CENTER OF TROPICAL STORM HARVEY WAS
LOCATED NEAR LATITUDE 16.2 NORTH...LONGITUDE 85.2 WEST. HARVEY IS
MOVING TOWARD THE WEST NEAR 9 MPH...15 KM/H. A GENERAL WESTWARD TO
WEST-NORTHWESTWARD MOTION IS EXPECTED DURING THE NEXT COUPLE OF
DAYS. ON THE FORECAST TRACK...THE CENTER OF HARVEY WILL PASS NEAR
OR OVER THE BAY ISLANDS OF HONDURAS LATE TONIGHT OR EARLY SATURDAY
AND MOVE ACROSS THE COAST OF BELIZE SATURDAY AFTERNOON OR SATURDAY
NIGHT.

DATA FROM AN AIR FORCE RESERVE HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT INDICATE
THAT THE MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS HAVE INCREASED TO NEAR 60 MPH...95
KM/H...WITH HIGHER GUSTS. ADDITIONAL STRENGTHENING IS EXPECTED AND
HARVEY IS NOW FORECAST TO BECOME A HURRICANE BEFORE REACHING THE
COAST OF BELIZE.
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2733. TropicalAnalystwx13 02:54 GMT le 20 août 2011    
TROPICAL STORM HARVEY DISCUSSION NUMBER 5
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL082011
1100 PM EDT FRI AUG 19 2011

DATA FROM THE AIR FORCE RESERVE HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT THIS
EVENING INDICATE THAT THE CENTER OF HARVEY WAS LOCATED JUST NORTH
OF THE COAST OF HONDURAS. THIS WAS A LITTLE SOUTH AND EAST OF THE
EARLIER ESTIMATES AND REQUIRED A RELOCATION ON THE 0000 UTC
INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY. THE AIRCRAFT ALSO REPORTED A MAXIMUM 700 MB
FLIGHT-LEVEL WIND OF 53 KT AND BELIEVABLE SFMR WINDS OF 45-50 KT. A
DROPSONDE THAT JUST MISSED THE CENTER MEASURED A MINIMUM PRESSURE
OF 997 MB WITH 32 KT AT THE SURFACE. THIS SUGGESTS THAT THE MINIMUM
PRESSURE IS AROUND 994 MB... A DROP OF ABOUT 11 MB SINCE THIS
MORNING. THESE DATA SUPPORT AN INITIAL INTENSITY OF 50 KT.

ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS ALONG THE FORECAST TRACK ARE CONDUCIVE FOR
ADDITIONAL STRENGTHENING. HARVEY WILL BE TRAVERSING VERY WARM
WATER AND SHEAR IS EXPECTED TO REMAIN LIGHT. THE ONLY INHIBITING
FACTOR IS ITS CLOSE PROXIMITY TO LAND. THE OFFICIAL FORECAST
ASSUMES THAT HARVEY WILL MOVE A LITTLE NORTH OF DUE WEST AND
BE FAR ENOUGH OFFSHORE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE FAVORABLE
ENVIRONMENT. THE NEW INTENSITY FORECAST IS NEAR THE UPPER END OF
THE GUIDANCE...IN CLOSEST AGREEMENT WITH THE STATISTICAL SHIPS AND
LGEM MODELS. THE NEW FORECAST NOW CALLS FOR HARVEY TO BECOME A
HURRICANE BEFORE REACHING THE COAST OF BELIZE IN ABOUT 24 HOURS.
AFTER LANDFALL...STEADY WEAKENING IS PREDICTED AND HARVEY IS LIKELY
TO BECOME A REMNANT LOW OVER SOUTHERN MEXICO IN 2-3 DAYS.

BASED ON THE AIRCRAFT FIXES THE INITIAL MOTION IS 275/8...A LITTLE
SLOWER THAN PREVIOUSLY ESTIMATED. HARVEY SHOULD CONTINUE MOVING
WESTWARD TO WEST-NORTHWESTWARD TO THE SOUTH OF A LOW- TO MID-LEVEL
RIDGE ALONG THE NORTHERN COAST OF THE GULF OF MEXICO. THE TRACK
MODELS ARE IN FAIRLY GOOD AGREEMENT ON THIS SCENARIO. HOWEVER...
THE 0000 UTC GUIDANCE SHIFTED A LITTLE SOUTHWARD...PRIMARILY DUE TO
THE SOUTHEASTWARD RELOCATION OF THE CENTER. THIS REQUIRED A
SOUTHWARD ADJUSTMENT OF THE NHC TRACK AND THE NEW OFFICIAL FORECAST
REMAINS NEAR THE MIDDLE OF THE GUIDANCE ENVELOPE.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 20/0300Z 16.2N 85.2W 50 KT 60 MPH
12H 20/1200Z 16.4N 86.6W 55 KT 65 MPH
24H 21/0000Z 16.8N 88.5W 65 KT 75 MPH...INLAND
36H 21/1200Z 17.3N 90.7W 40 KT 45 MPH...INLAND
48H 22/0000Z 17.7N 93.0W 25 KT 30 MPH...INLAND
72H 23/0000Z 18.5N 96.5W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
96H 24/0000Z...DISSIPATED

$$
FORECASTER BROWN/BLAKE

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2734. MiamiHurricanes09 02:54 GMT le 20 août 2011    
FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 20/0300Z 16.2N 85.2W 50 KT 60 MPH
12H 20/1200Z 16.4N 86.6W 55 KT 65 MPH
24H 21/0000Z 16.8N 88.5W 65 KT 75 MPH...INLAND
36H 21/1200Z 17.3N 90.7W 40 KT 45 MPH...INLAND
48H 22/0000Z 17.7N 93.0W 25 KT 30 MPH...INLAND
72H 23/0000Z 18.5N 96.5W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
96H 24/0000Z...DISSIPATED

$$
FORECASTER BROWN/BLAKE
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2735. dfwstormwatch 02:55 GMT le 20 août 2011    
i wonder if belize will issue a hurricane watch/warning soon?
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2736. gugi182 02:55 GMT le 20 août 2011    
Thank You very much have a good night to all of you. Hey just to say HARVEY is up to 60MPH.

Quoting Huracaneer:


A troll is a person who makes inflammatory comments just to get a reaction, in this blog there are a few chronic trolls who come back again and again making remarks designed to get the people here all riled up.

DMAX is diurnal maximum, it's the period of time when the atmosphere has cooled enough to provide maximum growth for thunderstorms. There is also a DMin when the opposite happens, i.e. the atmosphere is more stable and thunderstorms are a minimum. Mature storms are not affected much, but invests and depressions and even weak tropical storms can have dramatic changes due to this cycle.
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2737. nigel20 02:55 GMT le 20 août 2011    
It would be nice to have 8-1-0.
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2738. tcbob8794 02:55 GMT le 20 août 2011    
The Weather Channel is airing a special at 11 PM called Hurricane Force and it will be about Wilma if anybody was interested about watching.
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2739. BenBIogger 02:55 GMT le 20 août 2011    
Quoting CybrTeddy:
Harvey up to 60 mph, predicted to become a Hurricane.


Strengthening in a quick pace. could probably reach 80 MPH before landfall.
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2740. Tazmanian 02:55 GMT le 20 août 2011    
ok they forcast this to be come a hurricane now and there is not one hurricane watch up lol
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2741. weatherh98 02:55 GMT le 20 août 2011    
Gotta handthis one to jr he called it yesterday we called him crazy
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2742. FrankZapper 02:56 GMT le 20 août 2011    
97 looks pathetic tonight. Maybe a fizzout?
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2743. sunlinepr 02:56 GMT le 20 août 2011    
97 & 98L

99L has moves WSW and the actual track should be adjusted...


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2744. HimacaneBrees 02:56 GMT le 20 août 2011    
Man every time the two comes out, or an update is posted from the NHC, there is like a race to see who can post it here first.
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2745. muddertracker 02:56 GMT le 20 août 2011    
Quoting dfwstormwatch:

00z nam 84 hours out...


Looks like pre-season is about to end...hope NHC has its game face on.
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2746. weatherh98 02:56 GMT le 20 août 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
Hurricane?



timestamp
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2747. ncstorm 02:56 GMT le 20 août 2011    


Everyone but Texas
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2748. owntime 02:56 GMT le 20 août 2011    
I just looked at TWC and they said it may be Hurricane Harvey soon.
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2749. bohonkweatherman 02:56 GMT le 20 août 2011    
Taz adds humor to the Blog whether the Tropics are active or not, he is kind of like family to the regulars on here from my years of reading.
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2750. gugi182 02:57 GMT le 20 août 2011    
Hey that's not funny I'm telling

Quoting WeafhermanNimmy:
I am so happy I can rest while the SE coast gets to worry. An advantage of living inland.
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2751. Thunderpig75 02:57 GMT le 20 août 2011    
Great news! We now have one less place to pay too much for gas in St. Augustine!

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