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TD 8 forms; 97L a potential threat to the Caribbean and U.S.
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 15:30 GMT le 19 août 2011 +33
Tropical Depression Eight formed last night near the coast of Honduras, and is headed westwards towards a landfall in Belize on Saturday. TD 8 is a small storm, so will impact a relatively small area of northern Honduras, northern Guatemala, all of Belize, and southern portions of Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula. TD 8 has just enough room between its center and the coast of Honduras to intensify into a moderate strength tropical storm with 50 - 60 mph winds before landfall. It is very unlikely TD8 has the time or room to intensify into a hurricane; NHC gave the storm just a 7% chance of making it to hurricane strength in their 11am EDT wind probability forecast. Should TD8 make it to tropical storm strength, it would be called Harvey.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of TD 8.

Invest 97L likely to become a tropical storm next week, could threaten the U.S.
A tropical wave near 14°N 48°W, about 800 miles east of the Lesser Antilles Islands, is moving westward near 20 mph. This wave, designated Invest 97L by NHC yesterday, has seen a marked increase in its heavy thunderstorm activity this morning, but dry air to the north and west is slowing development. An impressive amount of large-scale spin is obvious in visible satellite loops, but the storm is at least a day away from forming a well-defined surface circulation. Ocean temperatures are about 28.5°C, about 2°C above the threshold needed to support a tropical storm, and wind shear is low, 5 - 10 knots.


Figure 2. Morning satellite image of the tropical wave 97L.

The computer models have shown an unusual amount of agreement in developing 97L over the past few days, and all the ingredients seem to be in place for a tropical storm to form by Monday or Tuesday as 97L crosses the Northeast Caribbean. The atmosphere is expected to be moister over the Caribbean, wind shear will remain a low 5 - 10 knots, and sea surface temperatures will increase to near 29°C. The main impediment for development will likely be two-fold: too much dry, stable air, and proximity to land.

As seen in Figure 3, there has been an unusual amount of dry, stable air in the Atlantic this year, due to a combination of dry air from Africa, and upper-atmosphere dynamics creating large areas of sinking air that dry as they warm and approach the surface. This stable air has been largely responsible for the fact that none of our seven tropical storms so far this year has made it to hurricane strength, despite the presence of sea surface temperatures that are the 3rd warmest on record across the tropical Atlantic. Tropical Storm Emily in early August encountered problems with dry air when it crossed the Northeast Caribbean, and 97L may have similar difficulties.


Figure 3. Vertical instability of the atmosphere during 2011 in the Caribbean (left) and tropical Atlantic between the Lesser Antilles Islands and coast of Africa (right.) The instability is plotted in °C, as a difference in temperature from near the surface to the upper atmosphere. Thunderstorms grow much more readily when vertical instability is high. Observed vertical instability (blue line) has been much lower than the climatological average from previous years (black line), due to an unusual amount of dry air in the atmosphere, inhibiting tropical storm development this year. Image credit: NOAA/CIRA.

Encounters with land will be another potential major problem for 97L. Most of the computer models take 97L near or over Puerto Rico Sunday night, then very close to or over mountainous Hispaniola Monday night through Tuesday. It is unlikely that 97L will be stronger than a 55 mph tropical storm when it encounters these islands, and passage over the islands could severely disrupt the storm. However, if 97L takes a path just south or north of Hispaniola, the potential exists for the storm to intensify into a hurricane.

There will be moderate wind shear of 10 - 20 knots to the north of the islands early next week, so a path just to the south of the Dominican Republic and Haiti would be more likely to let 97L intensify into a hurricane. A west-northwest motion is likely for 97L through Wednesday, which would bring the storm to the vicinity of Jamaica-Central Cuba-the Central Bahamas on Wednesday. On Wednesday and Thursday, the models agree that a trough of low pressure will dip down over the Eastern U.S., which is likely to turn 97L to the north. The exact timing and strength of this trough varies considerably from model to model, and will be critical in determining where and when 97L will turn to the north. The best model for predicting the timing and strength of such troughs over the past two years has been the ECMWF (European Center model), and this model currently brings 97L into the Florida Keys on Thursday night next week. You can view ECMWF forecasts on our wundermap with the model layer turned on. The European Center does not permit public display of tropical storm positions from their hurricane tracking module of their model, so we are unable to put ECMWF forecasts on our computer model forecast page that plots positions from the other major models.

Remember that a 7-day forecast by even our best model will be off by an average of over 700 miles, so it is too early to tell what part of the U.S. might be most at risk from a strike by 97L. This weekend would be a good time to go over your hurricane preparedness.


Figure 4. Morning satellite image of Invest 98L off the coast of Africa.

Invest 98L near the coast of Africa
A tropical wave near the coast of Africa, a few hundred miles southeast of the Cape Verde Islands, is moving west to west-northwestward at 10 - 15 mph. This wave, designated Invest 98L by NHC yesterday, is large and well-organized, with a modest amount of spin and heavy thunderstorm activity. 98L will bring strong, gusty winds and heavy rains to the Cape Verde Islands today and Saturday as the storm skirts to the south. So far this morning, top sustained winds measured in the islands were 24 mph at Mindelo. Water temperatures are warm, near 27 - 28°C, and wind shear is low, 5 - 10 knots, so 98L should continue to organize today. NHC gave the storm a 50% chance of developing into a tropical depression in their 8am advisory. Once 98L passes to the west of the Cape Verde Islands, it has a long stretch of ocean to cross before it could affect any other land areas. Approximately 70 - 80% of all tropical cyclones that pass this close to the Cape Verde Islands end up curving out to sea and not affecting any other land areas, according to Dr. Bob Hart's excellent historical probability of landfall charts. The latest set of long-range model runs go along with this idea, but it is too early to be confident of this.

Jeff Masters
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302. hotrods 17:05 GMT le 19 août 2011    
TCFL-I agree on your statement, i mean were looking at model runs 108-112-124, things will change we just can't asume that this is going to happend either gulf coast or east coast.
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303. angiest 17:06 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting stormhank:
I know it wayyyyy to early to predict this , but judging the way the GFS shows 97 at time of gulf landfall..wouldnt that represent a major hurricane??


I think just about every run has shown a major at time of US landfall. The thing I'm not sure about is the "actual" intensity (in terms of pressure), since I don't know if GFS has the resolution to see the lowest pressure in the storm.
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304. 7544 17:06 GMT le 19 août 2011    
once 97l becomes a td the models will change and we will have abetter idea where its heading right now we just grasping at straws
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306. Thunderpig75 17:07 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
Weather Safety Emergency Checklist
Be ready for a weather emergency in advance and put together a basic survival kit.

Food Items:
Bottled drinking water
Bread
Crackers
Cookies, snacks
Canned fruit
Canned meat, fish
Apples, bananas
Dried fruit
Canned/boxed beverages
Fruit drinks
Peanut butter

Non-Food Items:
Ice
Coolers
Plastic forks and cups
Napkins
Can opener (non-electric)
Batteries for flashlights and radio
Plastic trash bags
Charcoal
Water purifying tablets
Flashlights
Candles and matches
Clothing and bedding
Extra socks and underwear
Pillows
Sleeping bag and blankets
Washcloth and towel for each person
Soap, toothbrushes, toothpaste
Deodorant
Shaving kit
Contact lens solution
Hair care items and mirror
Dentures
Sanitary napkins and tampons
Paper towels, toilet paper
Hearing aid batteries
Watch or clock
Portable radio with fresh batteries
Chlorine tablets
Spare pair of eyeglasses
Cash
Prescription medicines
Important papers (drivers licenses, insurance policies, social security cards)
Toolbox with hammer, nails, screws, screwdrivers and wrenches (to use after the storm to make your home livable again)
Cell phone (take an extra battery or a means to power or charge it)
list of people to contact for emergencies

First Aid Kit:
Keep contents of first aid kit in a waterproof metal or plastic box.

Prescription medicines (four-week supply)
Bandages and Band-Aids
Antiseptic
Adhesive tape rolls
Aspirin
Insect repellent
First aid handbook
Scissors
Antibacterial soap
Safety pins
Thermometer
Needle (for splinters)
Items for Infants:

Small toys include favorite stuffed animals
Clothes
Diapers and baby wipes
Milk or formula
Powders, creams or ointments
Bottles and nipples
Baby food
Sheets, blankets, rubber pads
Portable crib
Plastic bags
Pacifiers


You forgot GASOLINE. A hand cranked (portable) gas pump might be helpful too...they are pretty cheap and you will be the only one able to get more gas at the gas station when the power is out.
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307. ElConando 17:07 GMT le 19 août 2011    
I see TD 8 has a shot at getting into the GOM. Doubt it means much with the death ridge. Probably slam into Mexico shortly after.
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308. PcolaDan 17:07 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting P451:


Thanks.



Don't let it go to your head though. :|
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309. Cotillion 17:08 GMT le 19 août 2011    


Well, I wonder if that's the lowest pressure we've seen all summer over the Atlantic?

(Excusing the models.)
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310. PrivateIdaho 17:08 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
Weather Safety Emergency Checklist
Be ready for a weather emergency in advance and put together a basic survival kit.


Pacifiers
>


Need to start passing those out now.

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311. prweatherwatcher 17:09 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting 7544:
once 97l becomes a td the models will change and we will have abetter idea where its heading right now we just grasping at straws


FACT!
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312. wunderkidcayman 17:09 GMT le 19 août 2011    
yes sorry about that, I feel really messed up from last night. Don't ask, please don't ask
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313. Dem86Mets 17:10 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting ncstorm:
from Allan Huffman

The 00z ECMWF was showing a Gulf threat in yesterday%u2019s 12z cycle, but the 00z is further east again showing a landfall in southeast Florida and then a close pass off the southeast coast and what looks to be a turn to the north at the very end as a trough dives in from the Midwest that would threaten the mid-Atlantic coast possibly after day 10. The 00z GGEM shows a similar track to the 00z ECMWF. The 6z GFS showed a track into the eastern Gulf and then the trough capturing it and turning it NE into the FL panhandle and across the southeast US and the 12z GFS shows a similar track with landfall in Pensacola.

All and all not a lot has changed since yesterday. I still expect this to develop later than sooner and probably threaten the US. Florida seems to stand the highest chance of a hit, but I am not so confident on west vs. east coast of Florida. Stay tuned over the weekend. My feeling is that I have a hard time seeing this going any further west than Mobile Bay with the progged upper air pattern.



97L is simply all about timing. You will continue to see the global models move east and west even fast or slow. Timing of the trough, speed of the system, and the strength will be the three major factors. It is impossible to pinpoint a location, best advice is to keep our eyes on this and inform anyone living in Miss. to North Carolina that we are in the peak of hurricane season and need to be ready for what may come of 97L.
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314. klew136 17:10 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting hotrods:
I have a question, listening to Joe B last night on the BB-show, he stated something about the high pressure ridge over colorado or something like that, and then the ridge out in the atlantic, stating that he thinks that this would ride up the east coast or a gap between the two, im getting lost here, now there is a strong trough thats going to take 97L into the gulf and points northwards, somebody fill me in please. Not quite understanding, thanks.


go to Levi's blog he has a video that explains very well
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316. Bluestorm5 17:10 GMT le 19 août 2011    
It's frustrating that you don't know where this system is goinging until it's you got few days left.
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318. cwf1069 17:11 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting Dem86Mets:
Hello blog, I am a very long time lurker (since 2005) and I check up and read Mr. Masters blog daily. I have since decided to create an account and join you all in posting informative and intellectual information. With the peak of hurricane season among us I figured it was a good time to start posting and introduce myself to you guys and gals. I have taken numerous atmospheric science classes in the past but later in my college life I changed my major to financing. But rest assured I to have plenty of knowledge in this field and I am looking forward to updating the blog with my most honest and straight forward opinion. While I have much more I could ramble on about I just wanted to say hello and hope you all accept me on here :) Thank you! I will be posting throughout the day in between the lulls here at work.

Welcome to Dr. Master Blog. I've also being lurking for many years. Two years ago I decided to create my account but the computer got infected and lost my password, so I decided to create a new account w/ almost the exact user this year.
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319. extreme236 17:11 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting P451:


I remember you speaking on that. I think a few others were also noting this as well last night.

Good eyes by you all.



I guess I can't blame them though, they really didn't have a whole lot to go by in determining the center. They pretty much just knew we had a TD but didnt know where lol
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320. islander101010 17:12 GMT le 19 août 2011    
friend for a few days hunkered his boat down in that little bay outer abaco hope town for floyd he told us all was well tied off to some trees until he thought he heard grenades going off they were flying coconuts. he made it
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321. CJ5 17:12 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting Dem86Mets:
Hello blog, I am a very long time lurker (since 2005) and I check up and read Mr. Masters blog daily. I have since decided to create an account and join you all in posting informative and intellectual information. With the peak of hurricane season among us I figured it was a good time to start posting and introduce myself to you guys and gals. I have taken numerous atmospheric science classes in the past but later in my college life I changed my major to financing. But rest assured I to have plenty of knowledge in this field and I am looking forward to updating the blog with my most honest and straight forward opinion. While I have much more I could ramble on about I just wanted to say hello and hope you all accept me on here :) Thank you! I will be posting throughout the day in between the lulls here at work.


Welcome to the blog. Jump right in anytime.
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322. presslord 17:13 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting islander101010:
friend for a few days hunkered his boat down in that little bay outer abaco hope town for floyd he told us all was well tied off to some trees until he thought he heard grenades going off they were flying coconuts. he made it


a great argument can be made that the safest place to ride out a hurricane is aboard a properly secured sailboat....
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323. RJT185 17:14 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting CorneliaMarie:

Is spelling considered a Art Form yet

No, but it appears that correct grammar is.



zing! :)
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325. ElConando 17:14 GMT le 19 août 2011    
P451 like the avatar fits your personality quite nicely lol!
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326. Chicklit 17:16 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting Patrap:
Is spelling considered a Art Form yet?

I've always thought so. (That's 'an' art form.)
Bans and inapropos comments are an art form.
The satellite pic below is also an art form:

Don Quixote riding his horse.
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327. DookiePBC 17:16 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting presslord:


a great argument can be made that the safest place to ride out a hurricane is aboard a properly secured sailboat....


I was thinking the blackjack tables in Vegas.
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328. ProgressivePulse 17:16 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting Bluestorm5:
It's frustrating that you don't know where this system is goinging until it's you got few days left.



North track over Cuba will further complicate things. Florida is not that wide to begin with so a turn 20 miles sooner, later or slightly steeper angle than projected could have huge implications. Or it doesn't survive like Ernesto in 06 and leaves everyone standing there scratching their heads.

"Now What BOB?" "How are we going to get the water back in the lake now?"

lol.
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329. Gearsts 17:17 GMT le 19 août 2011    
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330. Jebekarue 17:17 GMT le 19 août 2011    
I am a longtime lurker, but on the list for supplies dont forget your bug spray and fix a flat, we learned the hard way about flat tires after Ivan, so it is a must have in our kit.
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331. PrivateIdaho 17:17 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting presslord:


a great argument can be made that the safest place to ride out a hurricane is aboard a properly secured sailboat....


These are even better.

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332. TropicalAnalystwx13 17:17 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Invest 97L deserves an increase in percentages at the 2PM TWO.



I'm willing to bet that we will see another Frontal boundary storm this season...



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333. PcolaDan 17:17 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting presslord:


a great argument can be made that the safest place to ride out a hurricane is aboard a properly secured sailboat....


I don't know, a nice hotel room half a continent away sounds good to me. :)
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334. CaneHunter031472 17:17 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting DookiePBC:


I was thinking the blackjack tables in Vegas.


And I was thinking the River Boat casinos in Biloxi MS.
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335. PcolaDan 17:19 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting Chicklit:

I've always thought so. (That's 'an' art form.)
Bans and inapropos comments are an art form.
The satellite pic below is also an art form:

Don Quixote riding his horse.


They have windmills in Africa? ;)
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336. presslord 17:19 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting PcolaDan:


I don't know, a nice hotel room half a continent away sounds good to me. :)


I'm inclined to agree with you...but there is a body of thought expressed in the cruising literature that one should stay aboard...
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338. PrivateIdaho 17:20 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting ElConando:
P451 like the avatar fits your personality quite nicely lol!


That's actual footage of him.
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339. srada 17:20 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Long range models are guidance but to say they are not the solutions, I have to disagree. One of these scenarios will play out over time and people have to have a visual in what could lay ahead. Is it wrong for the media to post long range models because my local media is posting them. Are they incorrect in posting a potential threat to our area? I have been lurking for days on this blog posting here and there and I use to post long range models myself and I see no harm in seeing what possibility may lay ahead. No one should be dictating to the blog what we can discuss, exclaim about, express or reciprocate when it comes to blogging but the adminstrators who maintain WU. Everyone in the path of a CV storm needs to watch the waters but no one should be making decisions about hurricane prepardness from this blog. The NHC, your local NWS and your local media will inform you of any threats heading your way. Last time I checked, we still have the right to express our opinions and thats all these are..opinions!
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341. Grothar 17:21 GMT le 19 août 2011    
EMCWF

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342. BahaHurican 17:21 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting Minnemike:
i wonder what factors propel the instability anomaly? would be good to know how climatology extremes (edit: anomalies) function in the bigger picture of systems dynamics, to answer some of those ambiguities in the climate, eruh, conversations...
Wouldn't be surprised if that semi-permanent high feature over TX had something to do with it. We had similar high stability all through July while that Russian death high was in place. I hypothesize that kind of anomalously long-term high displaces normal flow around the hemisphere.

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343. Bluestorm5 17:21 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting P451:


True. Which is why some on here, specifically Pat, always say BE PREPARED.

Everyone should be prepared and just have a short list of items to get at the "last moment" if you will.

Everything else planning wise should be in place right now.

You should be prepared to take a little vacation as much as three days in advance to get to your safe zone.

That way you're not fighting the masses ala Katrina and Rita evacs of disaster.

I know a family in Houston. When Rita was 3 days out I told them to take a vacation. They did and were grateful - to avoid the disaster of an evac and the emptying of the shelves prior to the event.

While they could have stayed as damage was quite minimal where they were - the point is they merely treated it as a 3 day vacation to Oklahoma - and watched the mayhem on the TV instead of being stuck in the middle of it.



Sorry, excuse my grammar. Should be "going". Anyway, since I've never been in hurricane before but I'm in Raleigh, I just copy and pasted your checklist. It'll be useful when there is another "Hurricane Fran" or "Hurricane Hugo" over Raleigh.
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344. weatherblog 17:21 GMT le 19 août 2011    
What does everyone think of the blob off the east coast? Any chance of development?
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345. islander101010 17:22 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting FLdewey:
WA-POW!

fill up the gas tank
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346. JBirdFireMedic 17:23 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Welcome Dem86Mets! Look forward to reading your opinions.
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347. TropicalAnalystwx13 17:23 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting weatherblog:
What does everyone think of the blob off the east coast? Any chance of development?


Given how frontal boundary systems seem frequent this season, I'm willing to bet it will be tagged an invest and possibly a storm later on this coming week.
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349. presslord 17:23 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting FLdewey:
WA-POW!



Stop it!
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350. CaribBoy 17:23 GMT le 19 août 2011    
We can't rule out a center relocation within the convective mass with 97L.
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351. JBirdFireMedic 17:23 GMT le 19 août 2011    
Quoting Jebekarue:
I am a longtime lurker, but on the list for supplies dont forget your bug spray and fix a flat, we learned the hard way about flat tires after Ivan, so it is a must have in our kit.


Good stuff! Thanks!
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