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Little change in strength for Nate and Maria
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 20:49 GMT le 09 septembre 2011 +21
This afternoon's observations from an Air Force Reserve hurricane hunter aircraft show that Tropical Storm Nate in Mexico's Bay of Campeche has changed little this afternoon. The 4:10 pm EDT center fix found Nate's central pressure remaining near-steady at 998 mb, and winds were near 50 mph at the surface. Latest visible satellite loops show that Nate is having trouble with the dry air to its north, which is getting wrapped into the circulation and interfering with intensification, and the intensity of Nate's thunderstorms has decreased since early this morning. Since the storm is nearly stationary, it is upwelling cooler waters from the depths that are also slowing intensification.

Wind shear remains low, near 5 knots, so once Nate manages to wall off the dry air to its north, steady intensification should occur. The 5 pm EDT NHC wind probability forecast gives Nate a 42% chance of being a Category 1 hurricane on Sunday, and 6% chance of being Category 2 or stronger. Nate probably has time to intensify to a strong Category 1 hurricane before making landfall Sunday. The main hazard to Mexico will be very heavy rains that will cause flash flooding and mudslides. The computer models continue to agree that a ridge of high pressure will build in to the north of Nate over the next few days, forcing the storm westward or southwestward to a landfall in Mexico between Tuxpam de Rodriguez Cano and Veracruz. Nate is too far south to be turned northwards towards Louisiana, as some model runs were suggesting yesterday.


Figure 1. True-color MODIS image of Tropical Storm Nate taken at 12:45 pm EDT Friday, September 9, 2011. At the time, Nate was a tropical storm with 50 mph winds. Image credit: NASA.

Nate is a small storm, and is not likely to bring significant rains to Texas; only extreme South Texas near Brownsville could see an inch or so of rain over the weekend from an outer spiral band of Nate. Our latest wundermap wind forecast map from the European Center model, with the fire layer turned on, shows that Nate's wind field on Saturday and Sunday will not be large enough to fan the fires burning in Texas.


Figure 2. Water temperatures at buoy 42055 in the Bay of Campeche, about 150 miles northwest of the center of Nate, have declined steadily over the past few days due to the mixing action from Nate's winds. Image credit: National Data Buoy Center.

Tropical Storm Maria
Tropical Storm Maria is not changing much in intensity it bears down on the Lesser Antilles Islands. We haven't had a hurricane hunter aircraft in the storm since this morning, but satellite intensity estimates are unchanged from this morning, and support classifying Maria as a tropical storm with 45 - 50 mph winds. Satellite loops show that Maria's heavy thunderstorms decreased in areal coverage and intensity since this morning, but the cloud pattern is more organized now. Maria is slowly developing spiral bands in all quadrants, and the storm has an obvious spin to it that was not apparent earlier in its life. Wind shear has fallen to the low range, 5 - 10 knots, and Maria is taking advantage of the lower shear and getting more organized. Martinique radar shows heavy rains from Maria are now affecting the islands, and the pattern has more rotation to it than it did this morning. The thunderstorms are not yet well-organized into spiral bands, though.

The intensity forecast models predict steady strengthening for Maria, and I think likely that Maria will be a tropical storm with 45 - 55 mph winds in the Northern Lesser Antilles, Virgin Islands, and Puerto Rico, and develop into a Category 1 hurricane shortly after pulling away from Puerto Rico on Sunday morning. Assuming that the Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico stay on the weaker left side of the storm, winds in those islands should be at least 15 mph less than the peak winds of the storm--so, in the 30 - 40 mph range. Islands on the right side of the storm, such as Anguilla and Barbuda, will see the full force of the storm, with winds of 45 - 55 mph. The northeastern portion of the Dominican Republic should get heavy rains from Maria, but not tropical storm-force winds. It now appears likely that the Turks and Caicos Islands and the Bahamas will miss seeing the core of Maria, but they are still in the cone of uncertainty, and cannot count on this yet. The reliable ECMWF model has now joined the other models in predicting that Maria will get caught up by a trough of low pressure early next week and turned northwards between Bermuda and U.S. East Coast. This has been the usual pattern this hurricane season, and we can now have moderate confidence that Maria will miss hitting the U.S., given the high degree of model agreement on this. A threat to southeast Newfoundland in Canada is possible for late next week, though.

I'll have an update late Saturday morning.

Jeff Masters
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2. Neapolitan 20:52 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Just goes to show, I guess, that even near-perfect conditions for strengthening aren't always enough.

Thank you. Have a great weekend.
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3. photomunkey 20:52 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Thanks Dr. Masters!
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7. SPLbeater 20:56 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
NOGAPS does a Earl path with Maria
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8. Cotillion 20:56 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Katia's seemingly doing the best of all three, and she's got the least to work with.

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9. Neapolitan 20:57 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Apropos of almost nothing: Maria is now at 14.8N, 58.6W. On her first advisory on August 22, Irene was at 14.9N, 58.5W.
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10. JNCali 20:57 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Quoting cat5hurricane:

You did.

I remember.

Good work.

Here's to hoping that it stays as forecasted.. at least Maria.. still like to see Nate put on his big boy pants and move North before the High develops fully
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11. RMM34667 20:58 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Quoting cat5hurricane:
Three storms. All three not expected to effect the CONUS.

Excellent.


Maria may not effect CONUS but she will effect the US. PR and USVI are US Territories! Luckily she is only a TS. But I know it will still be tough for my sister and her family on St. Thomas. They live on the side of a steep mountain and when it rains the water runs down and actually THROUGH their house. But she says that is a price of living in paradise!
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12. TropicalAnalystwx13 20:58 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Thanks Dr. Masters!
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13. TropicalAnalystwx13 21:00 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
ACE is now up to 63.4 for the whole season...We're above average now, by quite a bit.
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14. bassis 21:00 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
How is it possible that Texas has a warning for dense smoke but zero fire advisories.
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16. Relix 21:02 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Lol Maria is pathetic.
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19. Neapolitan 21:03 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
ACE is now up to 63.4 for the whole season...We're above average now, by quite a bit.

True--but it's a sign of how weak some storms have been that Nate is already in fourth place for the season:

KATIA: 23.7850
IRENE: 20.3425
BRET: 2.9450
NATE: 2.2100
ARLENE: 1.9875
EMILY: 1.9875
CINDY: 1.8800
LEE: 1.7050
DON: 1.7000
MARIA: 1.6575
GERT: 1.6025
HARVEY: 1.2350
JOSE: 0.5275
FRANKLIN: 0.4050
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20. TropicalAnalystwx13 21:03 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Quoting Neapolitan:

True--but it's a sign of how weak some storms have been that Nate is already in fourth place for the season:

KATIA: 23.7850
IRENE: 20.3425
BRET: 2.9450
NATE: 2.2100
ARLENE: 1.9875
EMILY: 1.9875
CINDY: 1.8800
LEE: 1.7050
DON: 1.7000
MARIA: 1.6575
GERT: 1.6025
HARVEY: 1.2350
JOSE: 0.5275
FRANKLIN: 0.4050


My prediction: Nate briefly makes it to 3rd place, behind Katia and Irene, but Maria ends up taking 3rd place at the end.

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23. WeatherNerdPR 21:06 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Thanks Doc. Maria is very large.
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26. TropicalAnalystwx13 21:08 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Quoting spinningtop:
they said 2 days ago that is maria stayed week it would move very west and into florida or even south of florida well its very weak and still turning i dont get the logic


It's expected to become stronger.
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28. TropicalAnalystwx13 21:09 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
I believe our highest ACE producing storm, and strongest storm so far this season, is yet to come. Middle-Late September IMO...
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34. ncstorm 21:13 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
anyone holding out hope for that big one..take note that the Psychic twins still call for a major Hurricane up along the east coast this fall..LOL..
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40. RipplinH2O 21:15 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Thanks Jeff...
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42. TropicalAnalystwx13 21:16 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Quoting P451:


Her surface structure is... garbage... for lack of a better word. I think she may have actually degenerated into an open wave at one point and has not recovered much. The NHC opted for continuity by keeping her a TS throughout but there was a period of time there where it was questionable if she qualified as a tropical cyclone or not.









AVN over RECON



Of course it is..
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45. GainesvilleGator 21:18 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Neapolitan, I think you are one of the best bloggers on WU. Is there any way you could throw up the ACE comparison between 2005 & 2011 letter by letter? That would be interesting to see.
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46. TropicalAnalystwx13 21:18 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Quoting P451:


This is pathetic. Nate is the 4th strongest storm (accumulative) so far this year? LOL


Yeah, lol.
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47. TropicalAnalystwx13 21:19 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Well...The dry air isn't off the charts anymore, lol.

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48. brendanjames 21:19 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
side note, 6.4 quake off vancouver island.


http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eqinthenew s/2011/usc0005rsj/

my concern is its very near the cascadia subduction zone, and at the right depth.



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50. Relix 21:23 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Seriously weatherjr? We get it. Now go play hide and seek or something.
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