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Little change in strength for Nate and Maria
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 20:49 GMT le 09 septembre 2011 +21
This afternoon's observations from an Air Force Reserve hurricane hunter aircraft show that Tropical Storm Nate in Mexico's Bay of Campeche has changed little this afternoon. The 4:10 pm EDT center fix found Nate's central pressure remaining near-steady at 998 mb, and winds were near 50 mph at the surface. Latest visible satellite loops show that Nate is having trouble with the dry air to its north, which is getting wrapped into the circulation and interfering with intensification, and the intensity of Nate's thunderstorms has decreased since early this morning. Since the storm is nearly stationary, it is upwelling cooler waters from the depths that are also slowing intensification.

Wind shear remains low, near 5 knots, so once Nate manages to wall off the dry air to its north, steady intensification should occur. The 5 pm EDT NHC wind probability forecast gives Nate a 42% chance of being a Category 1 hurricane on Sunday, and 6% chance of being Category 2 or stronger. Nate probably has time to intensify to a strong Category 1 hurricane before making landfall Sunday. The main hazard to Mexico will be very heavy rains that will cause flash flooding and mudslides. The computer models continue to agree that a ridge of high pressure will build in to the north of Nate over the next few days, forcing the storm westward or southwestward to a landfall in Mexico between Tuxpam de Rodriguez Cano and Veracruz. Nate is too far south to be turned northwards towards Louisiana, as some model runs were suggesting yesterday.


Figure 1. True-color MODIS image of Tropical Storm Nate taken at 12:45 pm EDT Friday, September 9, 2011. At the time, Nate was a tropical storm with 50 mph winds. Image credit: NASA.

Nate is a small storm, and is not likely to bring significant rains to Texas; only extreme South Texas near Brownsville could see an inch or so of rain over the weekend from an outer spiral band of Nate. Our latest wundermap wind forecast map from the European Center model, with the fire layer turned on, shows that Nate's wind field on Saturday and Sunday will not be large enough to fan the fires burning in Texas.


Figure 2. Water temperatures at buoy 42055 in the Bay of Campeche, about 150 miles northwest of the center of Nate, have declined steadily over the past few days due to the mixing action from Nate's winds. Image credit: National Data Buoy Center.

Tropical Storm Maria
Tropical Storm Maria is not changing much in intensity it bears down on the Lesser Antilles Islands. We haven't had a hurricane hunter aircraft in the storm since this morning, but satellite intensity estimates are unchanged from this morning, and support classifying Maria as a tropical storm with 45 - 50 mph winds. Satellite loops show that Maria's heavy thunderstorms decreased in areal coverage and intensity since this morning, but the cloud pattern is more organized now. Maria is slowly developing spiral bands in all quadrants, and the storm has an obvious spin to it that was not apparent earlier in its life. Wind shear has fallen to the low range, 5 - 10 knots, and Maria is taking advantage of the lower shear and getting more organized. Martinique radar shows heavy rains from Maria are now affecting the islands, and the pattern has more rotation to it than it did this morning. The thunderstorms are not yet well-organized into spiral bands, though.

The intensity forecast models predict steady strengthening for Maria, and I think likely that Maria will be a tropical storm with 45 - 55 mph winds in the Northern Lesser Antilles, Virgin Islands, and Puerto Rico, and develop into a Category 1 hurricane shortly after pulling away from Puerto Rico on Sunday morning. Assuming that the Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico stay on the weaker left side of the storm, winds in those islands should be at least 15 mph less than the peak winds of the storm--so, in the 30 - 40 mph range. Islands on the right side of the storm, such as Anguilla and Barbuda, will see the full force of the storm, with winds of 45 - 55 mph. The northeastern portion of the Dominican Republic should get heavy rains from Maria, but not tropical storm-force winds. It now appears likely that the Turks and Caicos Islands and the Bahamas will miss seeing the core of Maria, but they are still in the cone of uncertainty, and cannot count on this yet. The reliable ECMWF model has now joined the other models in predicting that Maria will get caught up by a trough of low pressure early next week and turned northwards between Bermuda and U.S. East Coast. This has been the usual pattern this hurricane season, and we can now have moderate confidence that Maria will miss hitting the U.S., given the high degree of model agreement on this. A threat to southeast Newfoundland in Canada is possible for late next week, though.

I'll have an update late Saturday morning.

Jeff Masters
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151. seflagamma 22:35 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Quoting CosmicEvents:
I'm going with PARROT myself, so that makes the vote so far:
Parrot 4
Trout 1
Polls will stay open until everyone in line gets to vote.


it is funny. I saw it as soon as you called it to our attention!



You know Maria has not yet moved across 15N all this week... it has not gained any real latitude at all.... and all the models are now in agreement it is going to turn sharply north west very soon!
Interesting.. I know it will ...
but just saying....

needs to start inching a little northward..



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152. WeatherNerdPR 22:36 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
LOL at the lightning reports.
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153. SQUAWK 22:37 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Quoting CosmicEvents:
ok....it's a little slow with one storm set to make a swan dive into Mexico and another DOOMmaker ready to threaten some tuna, who are looking for a day off from school:)
Maybe it's time for a poll!!!
I like the image of T.D. officer Kulap in the western Pacific, as seen below. Take a look and report back to vote. Looks to me like a bird with Takashima? being the eye. So, is it a:
A. Duck
B. Trout
C. Parrot
D. Goose
E. other


E. Penguin
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154. SunnyDaysFla 22:38 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Quoting transitzone:


Ah yes, Carla was the first hurricane to hit me, was memorable walking around in her eye, comparing before, half-way thru, and after she was gone. Later in life was hit by both Camile and Cecilia, but they didn't impress me as much since I was on the west side for them.

You seem to have bad luck with "C" storms!
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155. tropicofcancer 22:40 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Hey cosmic, if you turn your laptop upside down it be comes a Slug!!!!!
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156. TropicalAnalystwx13 22:40 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
My main concern right now, believe it or not, isn't Nate, Katia, or even Maria. It lies in what we could have next week in the Caribbean Sea. The models are latching on to the idea of a storm located in the western Caribbean. Since several storms have passes in the open Atlantic, sinking air should take over, which should allow the Bermuda high to strengthen and push more westward. With a high over Texas, the break would be located in the Southeastern United States. This would leave the Caribbean Sea as a breeding ground for tropical systems.

We'll have to watch it closely, because any storm there would not move out to sea, and not be forced westward into Mexico. It would go into the Southeastern United States.
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157. TomTaylor 22:40 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Quoting WeatherNerdPR:
LOL at the lightning reports.
I wish we got that kind of lightning in southern california
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158. bluenosedave 22:40 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Quoting washingtonian115:
For those of you that are comparing this season to 2005 well.....all you can really compare are the numbers.And that's about it.In terms of death and total lost at this pointn nope.Isn't even in the same category.Of course it could've been much woarse for everybody in the Atlantic basin.


Giving us the final score at halftime, are you? I'd knock on wood if I were you.
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159. robert88 22:41 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
This season you can take the whole idea of weaker storm goes more W in the trash. It doesn't matter when you have a huge weakness in place off the EC... because of a continuing weak Bermuda high. The only direction these storms can go is N and then NE out to sea. Unless something spins up in the S Caribbean and pulls a Hazel or it goes into the GOM...the CONUS has no worries.
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161. WeatherNerdPR 22:43 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Quoting P451:


Intensity modeling is difficult. Something I noticed this year that doesn't sit well with me is an apparent inability to set a trustworthy initial intensity of a storm. After always being a cautious group it would seem the NHC has gone aggressive with setting initial intensities of storms this year. That *could* also be playing a part in poor intensity forecasting.


Meanwhile, Lee's initial evening burst of 60C has died off back into the 50s. I think it was a little later in the evening yesterday that he started his 70C tower though.. 8PM ET or there about. So we will see how it goes.




Very anemic storm.

Nice visible imagery.



If this were all we had....we'd be demanding an upgrade to Hurricane.


LEE? Not again!
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162. robert88 22:43 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
I just can't believe our forecasters didn't see this coming.
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163. HurricaneVSafety 22:43 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Florida is again spared from another tropical system....

Maria will miss Florida and you wishcasters will all be wrong again.
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164. PlazaRed 22:43 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Quoting seflagamma:


it is funny. I saw it as soon as you called it to our attention!



You know Maria has not yet moved across 15N all this week... it has not gained any latitude at all.... and all the models are now in agreement it is going to turn sharply north west very soon!
Interesting.. I know it will ...


On the last blog someone said Maria was going to go WNW more or less for up to 2 days at 14 mph, I asked how far the center would be in about 30 hours {using the more or less scale,} as this equaled 420 miles.
I agree with you that this Maria as not gone at all very much north as of yet and so when does the turn occur.
As Margaret Thatcher said many years ago, U turn if U want to, the lady's not for turning!
Oh we all think its a parrot as well!
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165. TropicalAnalystwx13 22:44 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Quoting P451:


Intensity modeling is difficult. Something I noticed this year that doesn't sit well with me is an apparent inability to set a trustworthy initial intensity of a storm. After always being a cautious group it would seem the NHC has gone aggressive with setting initial intensities of storms this year. That *could* also be playing a part in poor intensity forecasting.


Meanwhile, Lee's initial evening burst of 60C has died off back into the 50s. I think it was a little later in the evening yesterday that he started his 70C tower though.. 8PM ET or there about. So we will see how it goes.




Very anemic storm.

Nice visible imagery.



If this were all we had....we'd be demanding an upgrade to Hurricane.



Its low-level circulation is very vigorous, nobody can deny that.
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166. stormwatcherCI 22:44 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Quoting CosmicEvents:
I'll respond to your thought, but could you first vote in my poll above. I need some poll results. Every vote counts. As we say in Florida, vote early and often.
Parrot.
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168. SherwoodSpirit 22:45 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Quoting CosmicEvents:
ok....it's a little slow with one storm set to make a swan dive into Mexico and another DOOMmaker ready to threaten some tuna, who are looking for a day off from school:)
Maybe it's time for a poll!!!
I like the image of T.D. officer Kulap in the western Pacific, as seen below. Take a look and report back to vote. Looks to me like a bird with Takashima? being the eye. So, is it a:
A. Duck
B. Trout
C. Parrot
D. Goose
E. other


E. Platypus
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171. AvidWeatherHound 22:46 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Quoting CosmicEvents:
ok....it's a little slow with one storm set to make a swan dive into Mexico and another DOOMmaker ready to threaten some tuna, who are looking for a day off from school:)
Maybe it's time for a poll!!!
I like the image of T.D. officer Kulap in the western Pacific, as seen below. Take a look and report back to vote. Looks to me like a bird with Takashima? being the eye. So, is it a:
A. Duck
B. Trout
C. Parrot
D. Goose
E. other




E: looks more like a Gerbil or Hamster to me :)
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172. washingtonian115 22:47 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Quoting bluenosedave:


Giving us the final score at halftime, are you? I'd knock on wood if I were you.
Well hey it's the truth.Even though the loses from Irene are still fresh in our memories.
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173. Chicklit 22:47 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
There was an earthquake in Vancouver today near the Cascadia Subduction Zone. (see below)

The Cascadia subduction zone can produce very large earthquakes ("megathrust earthquakes"), magnitude 9.0 or greater, if rupture occurs over its whole area. When the "locked" zone stores up energy for an earthquake, the "transition" zone, although somewhat plastic, can rupture. Great Subduction Zone earthquakes are the largest earthquakes in the world, and can exceed magnitude 9.0.

Earthquake size is proportional to fault area, and the Cascadia Subduction Zone is a very long sloping fault that stretches from mid-Vancouver Island to Northern California. It separates the Juan de Fuca and North American plates.

Because of the very large fault area, the Cascadia Subduction Zone could produce a very large earthquake. Thermal and deformation studies indicate that the locked zone is fully locked for 60 kilometers (about 40 miles) downdip from the deformation front...

LinktoWiki

The last known great earthquake in the northwest was in January 1700, the Cascadia Earthquake. Geological evidence indicates that great earthquakes may have occurred at least seven times in the last 3,500 years, suggesting a return time of 300 to 600 years. There is also evidence of accompanying tsunamis with every earthquake, and one line of evidence for these earthquakes is tsunami damage, and through Japanese records of tsunamis.[10]

The next rupture of the Cascadia Subduction Zone is anticipated to be capable of causing widespread destruction throughout the Pacific Northwest.[citation needed]

Other similar subduction zones in the world usually have such earthquakes every 100 to 200 years; the longer interval here may indicate unusually large stress buildup and subsequent unusually large earthquake slip.[citation needed]

It's been that kind of year climatologically; why not expect the worst?
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174. JLPR2 22:48 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Maria is starting to fire some convection. I just hope it isn't a repeat from last night.

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175. CosmicEvents 22:48 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Update on vote:
Parrot...6
Trout....1
Penguin..1(write-in vote)....good one imo
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176. FrankZapper 22:49 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
I love weather blogging. Being surrounded be such friendly knowledgeable people. I imagine this is what it is like in Yemen. Pass the hummus please.
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177. wunderweatherman123 22:49 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
My main concern right now, believe it or not, isn't Nate, Katia, or even Maria. It lies in what we could have next week in the Caribbean Sea. The models are latching on to the idea of a storm located in the western Caribbean. Since several storms have passes in the open Atlantic, sinking air should take over, which should allow the Bermuda high to strengthen and push more westward. With a high over Texas, the break would be located in the Southeastern United States. This would leave the Caribbean Sea as a breeding ground for tropical systems.

We'll have to watch it closely, because any storm there would not move out to sea, and not be forced westward into Mexico. It would go into the Southeastern United States.
question is how strong it gets. shear in the gulf is high at 50 knots right by the coast. u see that weakining?
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179. TomTaylor 22:50 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
My main concern right now, believe it or not, isn't Nate, Katia, or even Maria. It lies in what we could have next week in the Caribbean Sea. The models are latching on to the idea of a storm located in the western Caribbean. Since several storms have passes in the open Atlantic, sinking air should take over, which should allow the Bermuda high to strengthen and push more westward. With a high over Texas, the break would be located in the Southeastern United States. This would leave the Caribbean Sea as a breeding ground for tropical systems.

We'll have to watch it closely, because any storm there would not move out to sea, and not be forced westward into Mexico. It would go into the Southeastern United States.
12z gfs sends a little tropical storm into the yucatan on sun/mon

ECMWF shows a massive area of low pressure, also in the west caribbean, but I wouldn't call it a storm.




I agree we'll have to watch over the Caribbean starting next weekend, especially given the fact that SSTs and TCHP over the western Caribbean have gone mostly untouched this year.
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181. Relix 22:51 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
I still say Maria will landfall around Ponce Puerto Rico. I am just that sure.
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183. charlottefl 22:53 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Quoting P451:


Intensity modeling is difficult. Something I noticed this year that doesn't sit well with me is an apparent inability to set a trustworthy initial intensity of a storm. After always being a cautious group it would seem the NHC has gone aggressive with setting initial intensities of storms this year. That *could* also be playing a part in poor intensity forecasting.


Meanwhile, Nate's initial evening burst of 60C has died off back into the 50s. I think it was a little later in the evening yesterday that he started his 70C tower though.. 8PM ET or there about. So we will see how it goes.




Very anemic storm.

Nice visible imagery.



If this were all we had....we'd be demanding an upgrade to Hurricane.




*edit: NATE not LEE


It could also be that some atmospheric phenomenon is causing a different reduction factor this year in our tropical systems. Just a thought.
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184. CaribBoy 22:54 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Maria is slooooowwww
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185. TomTaylor 22:54 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Quoting P451:


Intensity modeling is difficult. Something I noticed this year that doesn't sit well with me is an apparent inability to set a trustworthy initial intensity of a storm. After always being a cautious group it would seem the NHC has gone aggressive with setting initial intensities of storms this year. That *could* also be playing a part in poor intensity forecasting.


Meanwhile, Nate's initial evening burst of 60C has died off back into the 50s. I think it was a little later in the evening yesterday that he started his 70C tower though.. 8PM ET or there about. So we will see how it goes.




Very anemic storm.

Nice visible imagery.



If this were all we had....we'd be demanding an upgrade to Hurricane.



*edit: NATE not LEE
yeah, it's funny that organization and the surrounding environment appear to have improved, but I guess dry air really got into the circulation or SSTs are just getting too cool. Although TPW and WV imagery suggest that the air is still pretty moist over the circulation and buoy readings of 83F water would still support a hurricane.

Maybe Nate's just waiting for dmax? idk.
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186. CosmicEvents 22:56 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Update on vote:
Parrot...6
Trout....1
Penguin..1(write-in vote)....good one imo
Platypus.1(write-in vote)
Slug.....1
Gerbil...1
Dog-poo..1
After careful study.

.
I have to invalidate slug, gerbil, and dog poo...as these are not birds.
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187. wxvoyeur 22:57 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Quoting CosmicEvents:
Update on vote:
Parrot...6
Trout....1
Penguin..1(write-in vote)....good one imo


another for trout.
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188. Chicklit 22:58 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Maria is a little bit all over the place.



Looks like maybe she's having a nervous breakdown.
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189. WeatherNerdPR 22:58 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Quoting P451:


E.

The dump my sister's dog left in the living room as a going away present.


ROFL
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190. TropicalAnalystwx13 22:59 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Quoting charlottefl:


It could also be that some atmospheric phenomenon is causing a different reduction factor this year in our tropical systems. Just a thought.


Its the lack of vertical instability across the Atlantic basin this season.
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191. xXAviatorXx 22:59 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Quoting CaribBoy:
Maria is slooooowwww
Where in the caribbean you live
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192. emcf30 23:00 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Quoting FrankZapper:
I love weather blogging. Being surrounded be such friendly knowledgeable people. I imagine this is what it is like in Yemen. Pass the hummus please.


Thats a classic. LOL
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193. AvidWeatherHound 23:00 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Quoting CosmicEvents:
Update on vote:
Parrot...6
Trout....1
Penguin..1(write-in vote)....good one imo
Platypus.1(write-in vote)
Slug.....1
Gerbil...1
Dog-poo..1
After careful study.

.
I have to invalidate slug, gerbil, and dog poo...as these are not birds.



What about Trout?
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194. fuzzy3456 23:02 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Bad news from the Gulf, seems like Nate may have caused some unexpected tragedy.
Link
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195. stormwatcherCI 23:02 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
HH on their way to Maria again.
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196. charlottefl 23:02 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:


Its the lack of vertical instability across the Atlantic basin this season.


I was thinking that but definitely not well enough versed in atmospheric science to be able to defend that...
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197. jascott1967 23:02 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Quoting CaribBoy:
Maria is slooooowwww


That's not nice! She's just a little behind the learning "curve". See what I just did there?
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198. Chicklit 23:03 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    

Maria sure is a strange looking storm.
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199. TropicalAnalystwx13 23:04 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Uh-huh...

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201. PlazaRed 23:05 GMT le 09 septembre 2011    
Well its midnight in Europe and we are all about to revert to nervous quaking wrecks in anticipation of the remnants of the hurricane that will drive even the hardiest Scot into long Johns on Monday morning.
Meanwhile as a footnote I cant help but notice that there has been an earthquake of notable proportions at both ends{so to speak/write} of the western north American plate junction, ie Vancouver island and Panama area.
Lets just hope at least that this isn't a foretaste of something nasty.
Blog well blogers, until sunrise over the Atlantic tomorrow. Will Maria finally turn North?
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