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Gulf of Mexico low nears tropical depression status
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 13:41 GMT le 21 septembre 2007 +2
A large low pressure system (93L) over the Gulf of Mexico has gradually been acquiring tropical characteristics, but is in no hurry to intensify. Top surface winds measured at buoys in the Gulf of Mexico this morning have been 30 knots (35 mph), so this storm could technically qualify as a tropical depression if the current hurricane hunter mission finds a well-defined center of circulation. There are two Hurricane Hunters aircraft in the storm right now, and they have found several swaths of surface winds of 35 mph. Long range radar loops from the Florida Panhandle clearly show the storm's circulation, but the low level spiral bands are not well organized and are only slowly getting more organized. Satellite loops show a large, sloppy-looking storm. Storms that start off as large, non-tropical systems like 93L typically take several days to organize and become fully tropical, and 93L will not have time to become anything worse than a minimal tropical storm. The storm is capable of dumping some heavy rains along its path--radar estimated precipitation from the Tallahassee radar (Figure 1) were as high as three inches. As 93L becomes more tropical in nature, it will be able to generate higher rain amounts. But, with the storm expected to move inland by Saturday afternoon, it does not appear 93L has time to generate the kind of tropical rains that would make it a serious flood threat.


Figure 1. Estimated rainfall from the Tallahassee, Florida radar.

Elsewhere in the tropics
An area of disturbed weather has developed in the western Caribbean between the Yucatan Peninsula and Jamaica, in association with a surface trough of low pressure. This disturbance will bring heavy rains to Cozumel and Cancun on Saturday as it crosses the Yucatan Peninsula. The region will need to be watched for development on Sunday as it crosses the Gulf of Mexico. The NOGAPS and GFS models predict an upper air pattern favorable for formation of a tropical depression over the Gulf of Mexico on Sunday and Monday. Heavy rains from this system may hit Louisiana and/or Texas on Monday.

A non-tropical low pressure system about 1000 miles east of Bermuda is being watched by NHC for tropical development. This low is expected to move northeastwards out to sea 2-4 days from now.


Figure 2. Current visible satellite image showing 93L near the Florida Panhandle (top of image) and the western Caribbean disturbance (bottom right of image).

I'll have an update late this afternoon when the next set of computer models runs are available.

Jeff Masters
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801. hurricane23 18:06 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Posted By: DallasGumby at 6:02 PM GMT on September 21, 2007.

Posted By: hurricane23 at 6:01 PM GMT on September 21, 2007.

That core of thunderstorms you guys see is not were the NHC has there center placed...New center possible?

I don't think you're right about that. NHC places the center at 29.7 N, 85.9 W, which is almost due west of Appalachicola.

The green L you saw on my radar is exactly were the NHC has it placed....Just pointing out that developing core is not were the NHC has it.
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802. centex 18:06 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
aubiegirl, you should be watching the rain bands
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803. TampaSpin 18:06 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
JP you are good at this...do you see a rapid intenifer here at all possible.
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804. weathersp 18:06 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
I agree looking at radar images from Florida Panhandle and the Satilight Presentation that this thing might just pull a Humberto now that it is fully warm core and the SST's are in the 30 degree C range.
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805. homegirl 18:07 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
I know it's TD 10 officially, I was just saying that the radar does seem awfully similiar to Humberto. I'm not a professional :)
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807. MisipiGrl 18:07 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Thel....Thank You! I can see it now!
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808. aubiesgirl 18:07 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
ok are there 2 Coc's or what?..once again confused!!
809. thelmores 18:07 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
the image I posted above has the HH vortex position....

but it does look like a new center is forming??
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810. pcshell 18:08 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
ok let me get this straight i can see where the supposed coc is but thats not were the hh located the vortex right
812. hurricane23 18:08 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Wow passenger plan not confirmed crashes into I95! in florida.
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813. thelmores 18:08 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
you are most welcome, now back to work! LOL
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814. rwdobson 18:08 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
It probably will become Jerry before landfall...just not yet. Maybe at 5.
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815. OUFan919 18:08 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Ok, that has to be the COC now! The other spin i'm seeing must be the ULL finally leaving the system at the moment.
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816. aubiesgirl 18:08 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Posted By: centex at 6:06 PM GMT on September 21, 2007.

aubiegirl, you should be watching the rain bands

ok to me they look like they are firing up a bit..ok I think I got clarification...on center..it is what i was watchin..
817. Tazmanian 18:08 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
rader sure dos look like banding eyewall
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818. Michfan 18:09 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
I don't think this will rapidly intensify due to the way it looks on satellite atm. The southern end is still too open. Humberto's circulation was a little bit more closed up when it rapidly intensified and TD10 still looks somewhat sloppy.
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819. hurricane23 18:10 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
No injuries in the crash....Twin engine plan.

Nightmare traffic....Stay of I95!
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821. weathersp 18:11 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Wow passenger plan not confirmed crashes into I95! in florida.

Wait?? What? Passenger Plan? You mean Plane?
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822. aubiesgirl 18:13 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Posted By: jphurricane2006 at 6:10 PM GMT on September 21, 2007.

we may be seeing Jerry before 5pm

recon found 38.6mph winds at the surface right at the 2pm location, in that little eyewall


do they make special advisories for such small storms?
823. DallasGumby 18:13 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Posted By: hurricane23 at 6:06 PM GMT on September 21, 2007.

The green L you saw on my radar is exactly were the NHC has it placed....Just pointing out that developing core is not were the NHC has it.


Actually, the green L on your radar was well to the southwest of Appalachicola, not where NHC places the center of TD 10.
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824. TampaSpin 18:14 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
this thing has went from nearly no COC to one nearly 3/4 complete in 3 hours...
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825. moonlightcowboy 18:14 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
30,86 more or less, moving nw--doesn't that put it more towards FWB? If it's moving nw, it's not moving parallel to land, right?
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826. Bonedog 18:15 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
wow I go to a meeting and come out and its tropical.

I just took a look and it seems to be organizing better. TS Jerry at 5pm?
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827. aubiesgirl 18:15 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Posted By: moonlightcowboy at 6:14 PM GMT on September 21, 2007.

30,86 more or less, moving nw--doesn't that put it more towards FWB? If it's moving nw, it's not moving parallel to land, right?

I thougth I was seein that too!!.just didn't want to put myself out there with that statement
828. TampaSpin 18:15 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
TAz i agree alot of banding..
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829. hurricane23 18:16 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Posted By: weathersp at 2:11 PM EDT on September 21, 2007.

Wow passenger plan not confirmed crashes into I95! in florida.

Wait?? What? Passenger Plan? You mean Plane?

No at first they said passenger but then its now confirmed a twin engine completely destroyed right on i95....

This is not weather related but basically wanted to alert folks in fort lauderdale to avoid I95!
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830. Patrap 18:16 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
To be sure..there are still 2 competing Vortices rotating around a mean center. The Northern on is the one closet to the coast,and is coming around the top.The other is sw of it.
This may go on till landfall,or may consolidate to one eventually.

The Mobile radar loop here

Link
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833. DallasGumby 18:18 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
moonlightcowboy, you've got that right -- if TD 10 keeps moving the direction and speed its been moving, the center should come ashore in the Fort Walton Beach/Destin area before nightfall.
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836. mit5000 18:19 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
THE NEXT ADVISORY WILL BE ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL
HURRICANE CENTER AT 400 PM CDT.
837. hurricane23 18:19 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Posted By: mit5000 at 2:17 PM EDT on September 21, 2007.

HURRICANE JERRY BY 11AM TOMMOROW?

Uh no....This will run out of water before it gets the chance.I see something in the range of 45-50kts.
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838. TampaSpin 18:20 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
This going to be a HIP Hugger all the way till landfall somewhere it looks..
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840. mit5000 18:20 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
tht was quick. we now have a fully tropical cyclone
841. aspectre 18:20 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
MisipiGrl "I need your maps...I'm lost"

A MapQuest view of TD10's last reported location at 29.7N 85.9W. You'll have to click the 5th rectangular button from the bottom to get usable detail. 4th from the bottom to see NewOrleans.

Unless TD10 starts moving southward as well as westward, landfall pretty much hasta take place somewhere between EglinAirForceBase*Florida and NewOrleans,Louisiana.

* Just east of Pensacola
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842. gnshpdude 18:20 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
I am in Fort Walton beach and it is a calm as can be. A little overcast. I beleive TD10 will be less then a strong summer thunderstorm!
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844. gnshpdude 18:21 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
pressure on my weather station is a 1006 MB
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846. Tazmanian 18:22 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
URNT12 KWBC 211743
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE
A. 21/1731Z
B. 29 DEG 40 MIN N
86 DEG 4 MIN W
C. 850 MB 1477 M
D. 30 KT
E. 100 DEG 7 NM
F. 180 DEG 36 KT
G. 100 DEG 7 NM
H. 1006 MB
I. 17 C/1522 M
J. 17 C/1539 M
K. 17 C/NA
L. NA
M. NA
N. 134/8
O. 1/1 NM
P. NOAA2 05IIA INVEST OB 15 AL102007
MAX FL WIND 36 KT SE QUAD 1704Z
MAX SFMR WIND 37 KT SE QUAD 1705Z
SLP FROM SONDE
CENTER SONDE 15 KTS AT SFC


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848. aubiesgirl 18:22 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Posted By: gnshpdude at 6:20 PM GMT on September 21, 2007.

I am in Fort Walton beach and it is a calm as can be. A little overcast. I beleive TD10 will be less then a strong summer thunderstorm!


I agreee..it was actually windier earlier today
851. lexslamman 18:22 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Most models and the NHC track puts this storm slowly into the W. Lousiana E. Texas area. Do they really nee more rain there?

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